Jesus in Psalm 22: Evidence for the Bible pt6
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- Genesis 5 has a hidden message and Psalm 22 clearly foretells the crucifixion of Jesus. This is part 6 in the in depth series "Evidence for the Bible" by Mike Winger. Subscribe to my channel to get new videos weekly.
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I am currently dealing with doubt and this has been helping me so much. Thank you Pastor Mike.
He’s a really good Bible teacher. I’ve grown a lot from his videos. God bless
Lord have mercy on me a sinner
The Psalm 22 study has always been my FAVORITE!!!
“As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me.”
John 6:57 ESV
Makes me see these scriptures in a whole new context. So cool!
I love the Messianic prophecy in Genesis 5! It's my favorite one!
I'm so glad you're teaching on this!
The thing about the worm was REALLY interesting. The eating of the body ties into communion perfectly.
if your idea of communion is likened to a worm eating putrefied flesh of a corpse, you are grossly, BLASPHEMOUSLY mistaken about the Lord's Supper ..
Matt26:26-28
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body and he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it, for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Luke 22:15-20 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, *_This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me._* Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, *_This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you._*
1Cor 11:23-29
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
All the scripture you just said relates to the worm. Why can’t there be a metaphor about the worm?
@@nathanmills9298 none of what I cited "relates to the worm"... Jesus and the disciples are actually eating at the last supper... it is a literal account and a literal command
@@inTruthbyGrace I mean I think you're being intentionally obtuse in this response. All I meant to say was there's an analogy here. I'm not saying it's the same. It's imperfect to be sure. But, it is an interesting parallel, albeit imperfect. Go be a rampaging Lutheran somewhere else
In fairness perhaps I shouldn't have used the word perfectly, I was exaggerating a bit because I wouldn't have expected that close of a parallel.
What drives me nuts is that when I go through this with a non-believer, they say "that's interesting" or "huh. I never knew that" and then go right back to ignoring the bibles I leave in their homes.
Scripture says they are blinded to the truth. Pray that God will knock the scales from their eyes like Saul and let them see the truth clearly. God might not use you for the next steps, you just might hear about the works God does later. 🙏
I am a skeptical and often doubting Christian, but I love your channel and both the content and presentation of the content. Listen to at it work every day. You're dad jokes make it more interesting as well haha
The whole thing about the worm is mind blowing. It’s wild how understanding Jewish tradition and the original meanings behind the words in scripture opens up seeing the Bible in an entirely new way. I am falling in love with Jesus through the Bible in a way I never have!
The text was changed from "pierced" to "like a lion" at the council of Jamnia (yahmniah) 900 years ago. Jews at the time knew Christians were using the torah to prove Jesus was the Messiah and the word there for pierced is very similar to lion. They just changed a tiny feature of the word for "pierced" to make it "like a lion" or "lion". This was done on purpose. Now, I love Jewish people, so this isn't some sort of blame the Jews rant. Heaven forbid. But the fact is, they changed it specifically for this purpose.
It was either 900 years ago or in the 900's (10th century) that they held the Council of Jamnia (I think that is how it is spelled).
Also, they rearranged their calendar years because Daniels prophecy about when the Messiah would come landed on the day Jesus rode the Donkey into the city, and accepted praise as the messiah/king. They had to change their years by a couple hundred years because clearly it would confirm Jesus is their Messiah. Another change done purposely to hide Jesus from Jews.
Josh Dub there are actually more changes than these. It is amazing how there still is this much evidence for the New Testament in the old with changes made by the Jews.
Why would the Jews do that?
Like what?
@@bennywolfe4357 Because their Torah points to Jesus being the Jewish Messiah. And, they petitioned Rome to have Him executed. They expended a lot of effort to get the message out there that He was NOT their Messiah. They still don’t believe He is. They persecuted Christians in the first century. So, if the Torah points to Him then they simply make edits where they need to and spin a yarn trying to justify it. Or, own up to your mistake. Eventually they will, according to their own Torah. It’s getting close to that time, too.
If you read the Bible this all makes sense.
great video thanks for posting this. It definitely helps to come back to this video when I'm having doubt or passage to memorize to use when witnessing to others. Keep up the great work & hope God keeps blessing your ministry. ☺☺
This passage was written 1000 yrs before Jesus was born
Thank you for your work on Psalm 22.
Thank you Mike. For this video and all the others to date. I am so grateful that I was least to your page. By the way, who sings that song at the end? May God bless your ministry.
You're the best brother. Love your videos.
I appreciate you Mike Winger.
This was amazing! What's the closing song, one of your own?
Thanks Pastor Mike
That genealogy thing blew my mind 🤯
Me too! I studied Hebrew for a year in college (almost 20 yrs ago), and I frequently look up Old Testament names to verify their Hebrew meaning...but I've never tried this with Biblical genealogies! Thers are so many, I wonder if any more are like this?!?!
Thank you Jesus...
Curious to know your thoughts on the shroud of turin
Amazing thank you Mike for making this
22:30 Just to comment on this quickly, Jesus actually does quote one other psalm on the cross. When he breaths his last he quotes psalm 31 saying “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” This is recorded in Luke 23:46
Awesome work Mike!
John Marcos agreed!!
Agreed
Shalom Aleichem
God bless you Mike
Been enjoying your series of Evidence for the Bible and love the tollaa worm illustrationin here in part 6. Do you have source for the hatched eggs consuming the mothers body..from what I found the babies feed on sap. Also interested in the use of this family of bug being used in medicine...can't find source anywhere on line..I'm trying to find something to show my biologist son other wise might not be so picky
Love the $100 bill analogy. Good one to use. Tku. ✝️🙏💟
I am loving this series!
Cool thanks for quick response
Hidden Hebrew Codes in Psalm 22
Messianic Rabbi Yacov Rambsel wrote 2 books:
‘Yeshua: the name of Jesus revealed in the Old Testament’
and
‘His Name is Jesus’
In these books he showed how God hid messages (using acrostics and ELS) all throughout the Old Testament - like a divine watermark within the text.
Within the following verses of the Hebrew text of Psalm 22 he found:
22:16
Starting with the ayin in the Hebrew word ‘evildoers’ (m’rai’im), counting every 26th letter from left to right, spells:
A’OT KI’YESHUA = A SIGN OF YESHUA
22:21
Starting with the second letter in the first word, counting every 22nd letter from left to right, spells:
TZELBI LEMOOT = MY CROSS OF DEATH
22:9
Starting with the third letter in the seventh word, counting every 265th letter from left to right, spells:
CROSS
22:11
Starting with the second letter in the fourth word, counting every 44th letter from left to right, spells:
BE’TZELAHVE SHUR = IN THE CROSS OVERFLOWING BULLOCK
22:14
Starting with the first letter in the fourth word, counting every 44th letter from left to right, spells:
AIL TZELAHVO AHRAR = THE RAM OF HIS CROSS BITTERLY CURSED
22:15
Starting with the first letter in the tenth word, counting every 44th letter from left to right, spells:
BE’PESACHI OHLAM = IN MY PASSOVER FOREVER
22:15
Starting with the second letter in the sixth word, counting every 26th letter from left to right, spells:
YESHUA
Starting with the first letter in the eleventh word, counting every 9th letter from left to right, spells:
MESSIAH
Also - from the Hebrew letter chet in MESSIAH and counting in reverse every 32nd letter, spells:
THE PASSOVER
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If you search for 'Yacov Rambsel' on youtube you can find several interviews with him where he explains more.
There is also a website called 'beholdthestone' which has new amazing information about ELS.
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?: The word for forsaken can mean cut off and left. Daniel 9:26 also says that the Messiah shall be karat or cut off. I believe that the Holy Spirit perfectly connects Christ and God the Father for eternity past, present, and eternity future *except* for those three hours that Christ took on our sin on the cross.
Glad this recording survived despite the gremlin attack 😂
Wow!!!!!
+Mike Winger - I love your videos, however, the whole deal with "man appointed mortal sorry..." part I have issues with. I watched a lengthy analysis of this by the other Mike -> Dr Michael Heiser. He said that this simply doesn't work in the Hebrew and only makes sense in English and is therefore not true. Would you mind checking into this a little deeper and see if it still stands? I was disappointed with the results of Heiser's study on this as I had used this a couple of times myself.
Again, I am a subscriber to your channel and have found the content to be excellent. God bless you brother.
Does it have to make sense only in Hebrew though? I think that the fact that when translated into English we can see this is still pretty amazing. Idk for me it is 😂🤷🏻♀️
@@dco8886 Funnily enough, I have been pondering that same question. Could be. However, I think that even in English, there has been a little stretching of meaning in order to fit this paradigm. Gods knows. We will have to ask Him. The Lord bless you and keep you.
The dogs and the bulls, especially the bulls of Bashan, seem to represent angels and principalities to me. Bashan was thought to either be Sheol or contain a portal to Sheol, the Gates of Hell, so that seems particularly appropriate.
Bashan is the northern areas now called Golan Heights.
The Og King of the Moabites lived there and he was the guy that tried to get Balaam to curse the Israelites for cash when they had just come out of Egypt. Going by the way he tried to get a prophet to curse a people, he seems a bit... bullheaded. ;)
It is a mountainous region, and there is mention in the scripture about the Kines(female cows) of Bashan.
If you're curious, you can dig through a bible word search online for Bashan, and look at the geography and maps.
Blessings
@@SaintRegime Og, King of Bashan, was a giant. The Greek Septuagint word gigantes in Genesis 6:4, from which we get our English word giant and they certainly were (Og's bed was 13 feet!), really means "fallen one" as in the fallen angels. The giants were the Nephalim, which also comes from naphal meaning "to fall," the sons of the fallen angels. Og was one of the last survivors of the Rephaim, the descendants of Rapha who worshipped Rapha as their god (a fallen angel).
The cows of Bashan from Amos 4 refer to unrighteous, oppressive Samaritans, so it would be consistent for these bulls of Bashan to not be literal bulls, as well.
Farmers don't keep just bulls, normally. Bulls are perhaps the most terrifying of all the farmed animals in the region, and you only need one bull for impregnating dozens of heifers and cows, which is why herds are almost all cows and calves and why we so often say cows when we really mean cattle. The vast majority of boy calves grow up to be steers and supper: kill the fatted calf. Bulls aren't fat; they're muscle. And that's why most boy calves become steers so that they can become the fatted calves.
Ps 22 doesn't say cattle or cows or heifers or calves or steers: it says bulls, "many bulls," "mighty bulls," which create a far more sinister atmosphere. They surround with gaping mouths our Almighty God as He dies on the cross, waiting to devour Him. These bulls of Bashan come from the land of the Nephalim, the land of the Gates of Hell, the land where Jesus went when He said, "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."--Matthew 16:18
"Many bulls encompass Me; strong bulls of Bashan surround Me. They open wide their mouths at Me, like a ravening and roaring lion."--Ps 22:13
"So I was rescued from the lion’s mouth. The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and bring me safely into His heavenly kingdom." --2 Tim. 4:17-18
"Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." --1 Peter 5:8
Satan used to be one of the four living creatures who covers (Ezekiel 28:14) who each have the four faces (Ezekiel 1:6, 10) of a lion and an ox (bull) and a man and an eagle:
"As for the likeness of their faces, each had a human face. The four had the face of a lion on the right side, the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and the four had the face of an eagle." --Ezekiel 1:10
Jesus isn't suffering excruciating agony on the cross and thinking, let's give everyone an idyllic mental picture of this pastoral landscape. No. There must be a definite purpose to the bulls of Bashan well beyond landscape commentary.
@@EllenSmyth Lookit the egg on my face! =)
My response was more to point to Bashan being a literal place, because I made the erroneous assumption that you hadn't looked into it because I didn't see anything in regards to the literal location.
Now, onto your response!
I'm undecided on the nephalim fallen angels thing. I used to be set on it being true, but I've got some questions regarding that early era and the linguistic contexts. The Term "Men of Great Renown" could mean several things, and I just want to study it more.
I certainly see the logical follow through between giants and the concept of fallen angels, I just have unresolved fact checking to do.
For instance, have we not seen many kings who make beds much larger than they need them?
Wrought Iron could be a reference to his wealth at the time, cause who could use iron for something so frivolous?
I'm not disproving your opinion, just giving a sample of the questions I am working through one by one as time permits. =)
Last night I was trying to dig through what the Bulls of Bashan would be. I don't think it means hell.
Neither was Jesus or David picturing Maria singing in the flower fields in Sound of Music.
I imagine the history of being attacked repeatedly by the Moabites etc in the Bashan region would have given them a very different idea. That of Brash enemies of the people of God, powerful and angry, hard to stop or control.
Going off your response, I think the part where we disagree is the idea that Bashan was Sheol.
I don't know about the portal to Sheol bit, and that's on me for responding before doing some digging, but the idea that it was Sheol itself was a bit far.
But, fully onboard with looking out for the Principalities and Powers. (Gabriel getting delayed by the Sar of Persia comes to mind).
I like you bringing up the Bull/Cow ratio, and the implications. It's a great point. It shows that things aren't as usual.
Blessings on you.
I'll be looking into the Sheol Gate.
@@SaintRegime Thank you!
For giants in the land, see 2 Sam 21, 1 Chron 20, and Num 13 ("we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them"). And Goliath in 1 Sam 17. I realize this is a hotly debated topic, but I also feel pretty comfortable with the evidence for the side I stand on this topic.
Yeah, I definitely don't think Bashan is hell, and really Hades or Sheol would be much more precise because Gehenna or the lake of everlasting fire that is eternal hell is probably a different planet since this earth will be destroyed. One particular cave in Bashan, in Caesarea Philippi in fact, is rumored to house the gates of hell - try Googling hell and Bashan for references.
Jesus's comment is actually Hades in Matthew 16:18 when they were in Caesarea Philippi, and I'm thinking these are likely literal gates or at least literal entries. All of the pagans in Jesus's day believed this particular cave in Caesarea Philippi housed the gates to hell, access to hell but not hell itself, and Pan (a picture of Satan and he probably actually was one of Satan's fallen) was closely associated with the region.
I adore Chuck Missler (khouse.tv) and love his theory that Hades = Sheol = the Bottomless Pit = the Center of the Earth, which having no gravity would of course be bottomless. He's given a ton of evidence, but I cannot recall in which video, unfortunately. But with physics, the only place on earth that would be bottomless or without the gravity that tells us top from bottom would be the center of the earth. The Greeks believed that Hades was the center of the earth. And when the earth opened up and swallowed Korah and all who rebelled with him, he was taken down to Sheol (Numbers 16, particularly v. 30). That is such an awesome story! Stand back, God says, for Korah and all who are with him are about to be swallowed alive into Sheol. Dude!
In the Septuagint (Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament translated hundreds of years before Christ), they used Hades for Sheol just as the quote from Jesus in Matthew 16:18. Hades is the Greek god of the underworld. The Septuagint for 2 Sam 5:22 translates the Valley of the Rephaim (which is probably Bashan) to be the Valley of the Titans, where the Titans were giants and "divine or semi-divine beings who, endowed with supernatural powers." --Hastings, J. et al. (1909) Dictionary of the Bible
So while the pagans are rarely right, a cave does seem a plausible place for the gates of hell, especially since Jesus was quite near that cave when he said gates of hell. But much more than that, I seem to feel the Holy Spirit leading me to believe that the Nephalim, the giants, Ba'al, these bulls (and Pan, when I was studying about the first marathon) are truly fallen angels or demonic. Sinister, indeed! I confirm what the Spirit tells me by researching especially in the Word. But sometimes it is hard to prove beyond any doubt.
Mike, I really enjoyed watching this video. Even though I was already somewhat familiar with this Psalm as being prophetic of the crucifixion you brought up some aspects of it that I had never heard of before. As a Catholic I was deeply moved by the image of the Tola worm (at 26 min) whose offspring actually consume it's body. Not just symbolically but actually feed on it's flesh. WOW!
Oh boy. The worm was a symbol of Jesus. We do communion in remembrance. Jesus used bread as a "symbol" of his body. He didn't cut out a piece of his arm and give it to the disciples to eat. There is no biblical reason to make the bread become actual flesh. That would make you a cannibal.
do you have podcast to?
+Jeff Clark not at the moment but I hope to do so eventually.
a "skeptic" told me recently, online, that we can't use any fact, or set of facts, about the universe as evidence for, or "proof" of, God's existence. I asked, what if every irrational number, π, the square root of 2, 3, 5, etc, when calculated to the same very deep decimal places, when, somehow, but by a simple method, to Morse Code, spelled out, "THERE IS NO GOD BUT GOD, and MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER," in classical Arabic? and he stopped responding. (I'm a Christian and not a Muslim.)
Isaiah 1:18
The thumbnail photo sums me up tongue out baffled!!
Martin Ramsbottom - I have just received a message from yiu on Joe Kirby’s page. Not sure why I was unable to be taken to your post when I tried to reply.
Could you explain what post of mine were you commenting on? please
A++
God created the Tola'ath worm. Perhaps partially for that very purpose, to parallel Christ's sacrifice.
How can you talk about being poured out without talking about the eucharist? He says himself that his blood is poured out for us when the wine becomes his literal blood
Could the lion crushing at the hands and feet also be a symbol of Israel/Jerusalem demanding his death by crucifixion?
While I find Chuck Missler’s argument that the names from Adam to Noah contain a prophecy concerning Jesus to be good entertainment, actually looking at the meaning of the names in their Hebrew setting and giving that theory scholarly credibility is a stretch. I appreciate the fact you acknowledged there is controversy in what the names mean. If it was one name, that would be different. But it is several - and some of the meanings are a huge leap.
I came here to say this. There is plenty of prophecy without including Bible Codes
@@justinkruse6467 - boom. Mic drop. Good comment.
Please correct me if I am wrong:
The "Hebrew" OT was not a comprehensibly legible text without vowel points, and it was not committed for written, common, wide-spread distribution, even for the _Jew_ public, until the 11th century AD. Perhaps God was not kidding in Zeph 3:9 & in the _Greek_ Dan 7:6 where God tells us He is going to put the nations under 1 language to worship Him in one consent and give the Greek Empire _γλοσσα_ which explains, therefore, that God *_exclusively used Greek quite on purpose_* for the 1st 11 centuries of Christianity. Psalm 21:17 reads ὤρυξαν (stabbed gorged, _trenched_ ). The _Greek_ OT matches the _Greek_ NT... God is _not an idiot_ who forgot to tell us His _real_ name for the 1st 12 centuries of Christianity, like we imagine with this fascination about "original languages" and the adoption of the name yhwh from the Talmud... NOT THE GREEK OT.
Jesus was NOT lying in John 17:6 when He said *_"I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word._* and Jesus NEVER EVER EVER EVER said "yhwh' *_but_* He did warn us against the scribes and pharisees that would lead us astray with these dumb idols of consonants... and on top of _all of this_ God told us this Babylonian tongue and any dialect of it, was NOT the original language because Deut 28:49 and Jer 5:15 both explicitly say they would NOT understand nor speak the tongue of their captors and those captors spoke the Aramaic tongue.
Someday men are going to be very surprised to learn that God used Greek _on purpose, just like He told us He was going to do._ That lingua franca was the language that saw the dawn of common literacy; it was the first language with the vowels and grammar to affix meaning to words with such acuity that _our own modern languages_ are not equipped to translate the precision with which God had His word *_ready and waiting_* among all the nations of the earth (Gen 18:18, 22:18), wherein God had quite purposely scattered His elect, who just happened to have scattered synagogues, like Mc Donalds, waiting in every region of Roman Empire for the traveling apostles, from Spain to Ethiopia (Acts 15:21) *_so there could be_* a copy of the LXX waiting, in the language all men had been speaking for 400y. All the apostles had to do was show up and use the LXX that was _already there_ bc goretex had not yet been invented to lug the dead sea scrolls everywhere (2Cor 11:25) to teach men a vowel-less backward written mystery tongue _before_ they opened up the scriptures (1 Cor 15, Acts 17:1-3) to testify Jesus was the Christ (John 5:39) the εγο ειμι not yhwh.... Greek was NOT just some cosmic accident that God needed the 11th century Jews to correct, Jews, who by the 11th century could NOT have proven they were of the tribe of Judah (and yet continued to call themselves "Jews" 900 later, see Rev 2:9, 3:9) Folks! we have been warned repeatedly by scripture to stay away from these Kabbalists!
I watched your videos on the jw (very good videos too thank you) but just think if Christians NEVER got derailed from the faith once delivered to the saints and Ego eimi so many heretics would have never had this foot hold w yhwh?! There were only 2 flaming heretics in the 1st 1000y of Christianity _who even claimed to know this mystery language_ . If you know Greek, then you realize that Eli Eli sounds like the *_name of Elijah_* and that the 1st century Jewish crowd at Jesus' feet _did __*__not_*_ understand Jesus at the cross speaking "Hebrew-Aramaic" because they heard Him calling *__the Greek name of Elijah_*_ ... not only did they miss the Psalm 22 (21) reference, *__but they did not even understand that Jesus was calling the name of GOD_*_ and had they been fluent in _speaking_ that dead language anymore, they would not have made the error of hearing Him call the *GREEK* name of Elijah (Eli, Eloi). Further, the historical and biblical expectation that these people, who loved the ways of the heathen and had been scattered into a Greek speaking world for 400y, had somehow insulated their culture from learning Greek though they had had the LXX for 3 centuries by Jesus' day, is just an absurdity. The scriptures may have been retained in the consonantal form for the Pharisees (John 7:15) but the people sure as heck could _speak_ a vowel-less, grammar-less, backward written language or the Jews contemporary with Jesus would not have all written in Koine Greek to their Hebrew-Aramaic-speaking audience!! Jesus repeatedly warns us about those scribes and not be planese. For crying out loud, the Christians have become like the children of Israel in the desert, rejecting manna! Sure, the OT in Greek was something their fathers didn't know but it sure matches the NT that their fathers didn't know either!
Christians have been led very far astray by this 11th century, Talmudist sect of Kabbalists who worship yhwh.. a name UNKNOWN to Christians for 11 centuries bc it was not found 1x in the Greek scriptures of the NT and OT! This is a Babylonian whore who literally uses the Babylonian consonants to deny Jesus is the Christ and hijack the name Israel, which is God's people *_governed by the shepherd from Bethlehem_* (Jesus!! *not Bengurion* ). People who think that God needed the Jews correct the record of His word some 11 centuries _after_ Jesus was here, using an "original" language as if God _forgot_ to give us His word and His real name, need to have their heads examined when talking about an omnipotent God who *_told us exactly what He was doing with the Greek language and the spread of His word in prophecy (Zeph 3:9, Dan 7:6)_* ... and warned us to stay away from these vain ideas of "original languages" (Deut 28:49, Jer 5:15) with ZERO manuscript evidence until 1948!!!!!! The same year the anti-christ state of "Israel" was _born of men_ ! I do not know what is the matter with people but there is no way on EARTH the gospel could have spread among a 1st century Greek Speaking world to _convert and save_ the nations as prophesied, _unless the world could understand the scriptures that "testify of me"_ ... and those scriptures, as scripture & history reveal, were *Greek* NOT the Babylonian dialect Jews dragged out of captivity.
The Hebrew language changed drastically when they were captive in Babylon that is where their square script came from copying the Aramaic ok?
Are you actually claiming that yhwh isn’t gods name?
Here’s a problem with Christians. A lot of them only care about what’s written in nt. Most Christians aren’t as bad as this guy though.
You should be careful disparaging the Jewish people. I think god mentioned cursing people who do stuff like that.
@@bennywolfe4357 If you do not believe in Jesus, you have *_way bigger problems than God's name_* Jesus is the messiah, the Son of David, the Son of God, The Christ, The Way and The TRUTH. and The Life... *_NO ONE_* gets to The Father (no matter what you imagine His name is) except by Jesus......and _Jesus_ point blank said _"I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word._
_O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them."_ (John 17:6, 25-26)
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Job 25 :4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
5 Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.
6 How much less man, that is a worm? and THE SON OF MAN, which is a WORM?
Here too the word in Hebrew is "TOLA", crimson worm.
Jesus also referred to Himself as "the son of man."
The bible uniquely has God speaking in the first person.
The bible also sais that the word was transmitted by angels does it not?
Read Revelation one one to three for a prime example ok?
I thought the Septugent was translated by order of Constantine...would that still be considered Jewish? Hebrew to Greek. Just curious.
Excellent lesson!!!
250 years before Christ,
Pslams 22:16
כִּ֥י סְבָב֗וּנִי כְּלָ֫בִ֥ים עֲדַ֣ת מְ֭רֵעִים הִקִּיפ֑וּנִי כָּ֝אֲרִ֗י יָדַ֥י וְרַגְלָֽי
The traditional translation reads: For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers has encompassed me, like a lion, my hands and feet. (Psalms 22:16)
What is meant by like a lion my hands and feet?
Possible answers:
They pulverised, like a lion would, his hands, his means of fighting back, and feet, his means of fleeing.
Or, the comparison can also be expressed as David having the strength of a lion in both his hands and feet, so as to stand up against the pack of dogs.
The Christian translation claims:
The word כָּ֝אֲרִ֗י/like a lion/Ca’ari should actually be written as “כארו”, allegedly meaning “they pierced”, which is a verb in the plural, past tense.
The verse would then read, “…they pierced my hands and feet.”
Problems:
1. Etymologically speaking there is no such root as “כאר”, nowhere.
2. Perhaps the Alef/א is superfluous, and it’s as if it was written as, “כרו” “Caru” ? Saying that the Alef/א is superfluous and that the root is “כרה”/“Cara”, or “כור”/“Cur”, or a similar argument, also doesn’t resolve the issue.
These cognate roots are literally related to an act of “rounding/roundness”, as will be demonstrated, and are expressed as either digging the ground or making a heap, corresponding and having a convex like or rounded attribute, nothing to do with piercing through, at all!
The correct root would have been ״דקר״, as in Numbers 25:8, or ״רצע״, as in Exodus 20:13.
Let’s be clear, Jesus’ hands and feet were not “dug” or “heaped”, a senseless and useless suggestion.
Here are examples of the roots כרה״” and “כור”:
ויכרו שם עבדי יצחק../…And the servants of Isaac dug there
(Genesis 26:25)
The verse speaks of digging a well, and according to the literal root, it means “to round out” the ground, nothing to do with piercing, or boring through a body part.
כי יכרה איש בור…/…When a man digs a pit
(Exodus 21:33)
The verse speaks of digging a pit, again, nothing to do with piercing.
ויכרה להם כרה גדולה…
And he set a large meal before them… Or more literally, he heaped for them a large HEAP of food
(Kings 2 6:23)
Here, the “roundness/rounding” is being expressed inversely, as a heap.
ויוציא אתכם מכור הברזל…/And He took you
out of the iron crucible/smelting pot
(Deuteronomy 4:20)
A “CUR” (which bears the same alleged root) is a pot used for smelting metal, or a vessel that has been “rounded” in dimensions, “rounded” , nothing to do with piercing
מפזז ומכרכר…/
David was moving to and fro and dancing in circles
(Samuel 2 6:16)
The verb “כרכר/Circer” is the doubled root version of the root כור/Cur; their basic meaning is interchangeable. Again, a primitive root having to do with some type of “rounding out”, in this case, dancing in circles. Again, the same idea of “rounding/roundness”.
וככר לחם אחת…/
And one loaf of bread, or more literally a round bun
(Exodus 29:23)
Again, the same theme, “roundness”.
The list goes on…
None of these verses speak even remotely about piercing through something, much less piercing through bodies. There are actually relevant Hebrew verbs that are used to express “piercing through something”, especially piercing through flesh. It is boorish or deceitful to have introduced this root into the discussion. (Language fact)
3. The next point is even more astonishing! The first reference of this verse referring to Jesus appears in the 2nd century. This verse is never quoted in the NT as referring to Jesus! Now, think for a moment, you would have to believe that the writers of the NT knew that it said in Psalm 22, “…they pierced my hands and my feet”, nevertheless, none of them, not Paul, not the writer of Hebrews, not the writer of the letters of John, no one thought that it might have been significant enough to quote !!!? You know why ? Because it didn’t exist ! Think about that for a moment and lament the lie.
(The fact that Psalm 22 is cited in parts in the NT, and that this alleged verse isn’t even alluded to, is no answer at all, for given the choice, this verse should have certainly been at the forefront of citations ! Never mind Psalm 22, there is in fact no greater quotation in the OT that would have assisted the NT in its endeavor. Yet, to claim is was left out because other parts of 22 were mentioned, it’s a preposterous hypothesis.)
4. The Psalm begins with, “To the Chief Musician. Set to "The Deer of the Dawn". A Psalm of David.” Yes, It’s none other than David. Why distort the context ? David had his share of tribulations. His own father-in-law wanted to kill him, his own son wanted to kill him, he didn’t lack a reason to compose this Psalm. There is no reason to attribute this psalm other than to David. (Point about general context)
5. David begins the verse by comparing his enemies to dogs surrounding him, “For dogs have surrounded me…”, ending the verse with, “a piercing of the hands and feet”, is incongruent for dogs don’t pierce through hands and feet, they bite and tear. It is far more reasonable to assume a comparison to lion, to convey either that the damage that was inflicted upon his means of defense (his hands and feet) rendered them utterly incapacitated (To emphasise this it was necessary to use the analogy of a lion instead of a dog, for the damage inflicted by a lion is incomparably greater than that of a dog; while a pack of dogs was more fitting for the manner in which they convened upon him), or, to insinuate that David’s defensive stance was comparable to that of a lion, possessing the necessary strength to defend against a pack of dogs. (Point about specific context)
There is no basis to arbitrarily insert Jesus in the OT whenever one feels like it.
The Dead Sea scrolls psalm 22 which was a 1000 years older then the Masoretic text says pierced before Christianity. We have 3 very authoritative texts that favor pierced Septuagint(Greek and before Christ and oldest copy of the Old Testament), Dead Sea Scrolls(Oldest Hebrew Copy before Christ), and Masoretic. A threefold witness. We have 12 manuscripts which means there is a surviving tradition a thousand years later of pierced. Really strong case that pierce is the correct reading which is why in most bibles pierced is the word that is used.
@@universe8649 1. First of all, etymologically speaking, as pointed out, this translation is quite unintelligible.
2. The Dead Sea scrolls version of “כארי ca’ari” is in no way conclusive ! It’s based on one Canadian scholar’s claim.
To use the Dead Sea scrolls in this regard is absolutely disingenuous.
The relevant scroll is technically not considered to be one of the dead sea Scrolls, it is called by some, the nahal hever fragment.
The Septuagint, for those who have studied the historicity of its manuscripts even cursorily, will see how utterly unethical it is to quote!
Among the many disputed points, some claim, for example, that the original Septuagint was only a translation of the five Books of Moses…
Basing yourself on the Dead Sea scrolls controversial interpretation of a few, or the Septuagint, is basically basing yourself on scripts which have either been interpreted, or translated with a Christian proclivity.
I won’t go so far as to say this reading doesn’t appear in any ancient manuscripts, however, based upon the points elucidated above, there is every reason to assume that “piercing” is the erroneous explanation.
@Jack9172 Super excited to see someone else having done some legwork to fact check Mr Winger. I've been doing it, and he's been really well read and researched for the most part.
If I can put this here and maybe pick your brain, I lay some hope on the kindness of random strangers with shared interests.
I investigated your etymological claims, because I am always down to research contradictions to the Bible. The last exciting one was the mistranslation that Jesus was angry with a leper, but the word used was 'his guts were moved', which upon careful consideration... likely aligns with a common phrase used today 'gut wrenching. If you look at the face of Emmet Till in the casket, it is 'gut wrenching', as is the horror of someone falling apart from leprosy. My heart goes out to them.
Back to the words!
I would like to dive into my findings, and if you have it in your heart to help someone out with a resource for seeing other etymological studies... please please please leave a hint or a name of a site.
Karah כָּרָה (Strong's 3738), if you want to say really means 'rounded out', but is used in reference to digging repeatedly, I would argue Karah is actually 'Bore' or 'Boring'. Picture a drill going through wood. To dig a straight hole or shaft. This would fit neatly with the idea of digging a well, or going through... anything really. But, 'piercing' would be a sort of 'in context' translation.
Kerah כֵּרָה (Strongs 3740) is found in 2 Kings 6:23, and means Feast. And this is the only time in the Bible it is used in such fashion.
For David Dancing
Karar כָּרַר
Strongs 3769. It has a different first letter. New to learning Hebrew etymology, but I do believe that makes them different words.
Whereas the other two examples at least had the same consonants within it.
Exodus 29:23
You lost me here, I'm afraid. And I don't mean that as an insult. I mean I can't follow how you did this one.
כִּכָּרStrongs 3603 Kikkar
It has another consonant that's different.
I was initially confused, until I remembered the original Hebrew had no vowels. That means they HAVE to use context in order to glean understanding of the passage.
If one wants to argue Karah really means Lion or digging.
So, I looked at lions and found some poetic parrallels.
They have teeth that are three inches long, and they kill primarily through strangulation. By closing off the windpipe so that an animal suffocates to death.
As Jesus slowly suffocated on the cross.
@@SaintRegime Hi, dear friend, I appreciate your humble and sincere approach, God bless you. I’m also glad to see your interest in ancient Hebrew etymology.
1. Regarding your point about כרה, and it meaning “to pierce”:
As already pointed out, being that the root כרה can also express the inverse of what was meant by “digging”, namely, to heap, as in,
ויכרה להם כרה גדולה…
He heaped for them a large HEAP of food
(Kings 2 6:23)
כרה גדולה
literally means a big heap
(In Rabbinic Hebrew, and even as far as modern Hebrew, as well, כרי expresses a “heap”.)
Here, as explained, the “roundness/rounding” is being expressed inversely, as a heap.
Thus, the underpinning idea can only be conceived as having and/or demonstrating “roundness”. For an inverse piercing cannot be rendered into “a heap”, only if we were to visualize the hole in the ground with regards to its geometric shape does it’s inverse aspect make sense.
Moreover, “a piercing” doesn’t properly embody “digging” into the ground unless your intent is to poke holes! The proper Biblical understanding of “digging” is more coherently subject to its geometric shape, rather than the act of “stabbing though the ground”.
You never find, for example the root דקר, which is one of the proper roots that express “piercing”, to have any association with “digging”, for piercing and digging don’t express the same idea.
Furthermore, as pointed out, also related to the root כרה is כר or the plural כרים, roundly pillowed fattened sheep, again, “digging” as expressed inversely, clearly having the aspect of roundness, and not at all “piercing”.
2. Regarding your question with the root כרר:
There was an ongoing debate among Jewish Hebrew scholars, for generations, if Hebrew roots were really only made up of a two-letter root system, or a three-letter root.
According to the view that there are only two letters for every root, obviously, the focus is only upon those two letters the כ and ר: the basic meaning, as we’ve demonstrated conveying “roundness”.
Now, even according to the three-letter system, similar roots are considered etymological cognate roots, and have the same basic cognate meaning.
And just as we’ve seen that the root כרה itself conveys the meaning of “roundness”, so too, it’s cognate partner כרר.
Thus, the root כרר, according to the three-letter roots system, only reinforces what has already been established independently.
The addition of the ר only intensifies the action.
Furthermore, and this is the main point, who decided that the root of מכרכר is כרר? James Strong? I appreciate some of his work, but he is by far considered the “authority” on this matter.
The root כרכר/circle” is the doubled root version of the root כר , or כור/Cur, which has to to rounding/circle, their basic meaning is interchangeable.
3. Regarding your question for the word ככר.
Again, according to the two-letter system, the root here is כר, same root for כרה, which in the two letter system is rendered into כר as well.
Now, even according to the three-letter system, the doubling of כ does not remove it from its cognate group.
For nobody argues that ככר and מכרכר hold the same basic meaning of “circling”, and as established above, מכרכר is a doubling of כר, or by the three-roots, כור, all meaning “rounding and circling”.
The intensity and motion varies with the addition of the “doubling” of letters, or the main letters themselves.
@@Jack-vy2vx So cool to get a response!
I have copied your responses for later study to save the hebrew examples, because this whole thing is absolutely fascinating, and the goal is to find God and know who He is as clearly as mortally possible. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I had no idea about the two/three letter root concept.
That gives me a wonderful new series of concepts to dig into.
You have my thanks on this specifically.
If you got a recommendation for someone other than Strong, that would be great for comparison reading!
Speaking of digging, you mentioned that the root word is Round or Rounding, but in the outward way such as heap.
But, you've said this is the Root Word, not the actual word on the page. (Am I missing something in that?)
I would like to ask if Concave and Convex (very possibly a bad, but hopefully quick example), which both speak to something's geometric shape, should be conflated. They both have the 'root' of Con, but its the other part of the word and the context that helps fill in the meaning to the reader.
Would it be right to say the Hebrew looks like Cnv(concave) and Cnx(convex)?
Or have I made an error in understanding hebrew words?
And, now to concepts. (I am afraid I have to explain a little bit about where I am coming from, so you know I'm not being obstinate or doggedly pursuing what you may have felt was clearly answered.)
I just googled דקר, and was shown a huge series of power tools drilling through wood and more importantly awls. I am not foolish enough to try and make it a proof, but it does beg the thought...
In the agrarian civilization, a lot of married or linked concepts are going to be different than now.
When I say 'Light', people picture the sun... and overhead flourescents.
In Ancient Judea, I imagine 'Light' would be the sun and lamps and torches and bonfires.
I've watched young adults read the parable of the sower and not understand it. Because in the modern world, there are people who don't even know how a plant grows. I'm not kidding. It was bizarre and uncomfortable to watch (though I am sure they knew things I didn't). So, our knowledge base and assumptions on how the world works comes into play.
For the Hebrew side of things:
I was looking for a 'dictionary' of Jewish symbols and Rabbi writings and came across a guy who said "There is a hammer in heaven for every blade of grass."
I was confused because I don't apply hammers to gardening (I've worked trades for years), but he went on to say that hammer is a symbol for work and effort and planned building, and so the saying is to point to God's creating a tool or system of unseen mechanisms for the grass to grow.
This helped me understand that I was going to have to round out a well of Jewish thought before I could start to understand things.
I am trying to imagine the agrarian society and the tech level at the time, and admittedly making up connections from my few examples, trying to do logical follow through. I am rather familiar with the Roman history, so I can picture the metropolitan stuff well enough, and the farming implements of the day.
What I am working on is understanding which words attach to which concepts.
Am I being silly by applying that 'rounding' to the ground and getting the english word Bore/Boring?
When I read this 'rounding out' and the uses of it, Rounding Out a Well will create a Heap of material. Then, making a 'round' of food or as you said 'a heap of food' is tied to digging. We do this even today, "I dug the supplies out of the closet."
For the linking of words and concepts I draw some confidence in this thought from the way many Biblical people were named (Esau was named Harry because he was... hairy.) Not as a proof, but as an evidence for the way the Jewish people would link concepts.
Taken together, with my very amateurish early stabs at Jewish culture it all seems to fit.
If the consonant root can do double duty for digging down and heaping up, I don't see why rounding out a well 'digging/boring' can't be used for flesh. When a doctor removes a bullet from someone, he 'digs' out the lead and fragments. The use of a well seems really interesting to me. It is a straight hole, the same diameter at the top as at the bottom, which is the kind of hole most nails make. It wasn't plow or furrow, it wasn't a word associated with ditches in the Bible that my quick search could find.
Is there another word I should be aware of in ancient hebrew that would be used in place of pierced?
I kind of imagine earlier Hebrew having less words overall, and context being used to understand the meaning, and more specific variations on words being made over the years as writing systems became more specific.
Again, you may know (or not) just how awesome it is to find someone willing to dive into a complex issue like this without getting a response using all caps or accusations against one's character. I glanced at my phone just after waking up and saw your response, and smiled. It was a great way to start the day. Genuine appreciate for God and honest searching of Truth.
Also, I'd love a website you recommend where I can learn some of what you know.
God Bless!
May His Love rest on you today.
The Hebrew does not say cross neither does the Greek so why does the KJV?
The "Hebrew" says _whatever_ those vowel-adding Pharisees _said_ it meant .... which *_is why God used the precision and acuity of Greek quite on purpose_*
Are you referring to Psalm 22 specifically? The KJV doesn’t use the word “cross” in Psalm 22 at all because the word “cross” wasn’t invented yet (please watch the video before commenting on it). Crucifixion was invented by the Persians during the intertestamental period so the word “cross” wouldn’t be any where in the Hebrew of the OT.
If you refer to the NT, how did you come to the conclusion that every Bible translation in the world (except the sectarian NWT) translates “σταυρος” wrongly?
Mike Winger - I love the "Bible proving the Bible" part with the $100 bill comparison, but I just can't get myself to believe that God would die, or the possibility that "God could die", .. you know what I mean? Now I can understand why the pagan, multi-god worshipping Constantine using his Roman Catholic Church by taking possession of both Old and NT writings would invent a doctrine to kill Bible God, .. I could understand that! But "KILL GOD", .. now that is totally un-Biblical or un-God-like.
Oh well, but that's what the foundation of the "Christian Religion", or more precisely R.C. Christian was built on; "killing God", .. and sadly, in the hearts and minds of billions of Christians, the RCC has successfully achieved it, fulfilling (at least in the minds and hearts of 2.1 billion Christians) what Lucifer/Satan that serpent vowed he will achieve: "I will be like the Most High"!
But then, why would anyone be a part of a "mockery" of the Early Believers who were followers of "the Way" AKA Jesus Christ, would even accept and call themselves a derogatory name like "Christian" with a Satanic doctrine like the Trinity?
Why?
I wouldn't answer you either... Even though it's an easy answer (which he pretty much answers in this video. It's easy to spot someone who's not prepared to listen. It's obvious you weren't here to learn
You're only asking a question as a formality.
Jesus is God, read the Gospel according to John. Jesus says that himself, "before Abraham was I am" they tried to stone Him, also they said they wanted to stone Him as he "being a man makes himself equal onto God". There are more examples just read the Gospel, it even mentions the world was created by Him, but knew Him not. Even in Revelation Jesus says "I am Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end"
And so, Jesus is God, therefore as said in Corinthians the Gospel is: Jesus died for our sins in accordance to the scriptures was buried and rose again on the third day.
If you don't believe the Gospel I'm sorry to say you are not saved. Jesus is the only way to the Father. That's how much God loves us, he sent His son only son to die in our place. Abraham believed God and was about to sacrifice his son. Now God sacrificed His son like a passover lamb to cleanse us of our sins.
Believe the Gospel, call upon the name of the Lord and be saved.
@Odon Sabo When God called me out of Satanic religions of this world, the first thing He did was teach me that Jesus had to die to pay off a debt we ourselves could not pay off - unless we want to die. God wasn't killed, but willingly laid down His life for us, so that we could be justified. That's what I was told, and that is what the Bible also says, in numerous verses.
Therefore we have a lock between the modern message that God speaks to those whom He calls, and what was spoken long ago by Him.
Jesus specifically states that He is going to sacrifice His flesh for the life of this world. Someone who is perfectly sinless, who did NOT need to die, only He has the ability to pay off another's debt of sin. That's why the Creator Himself came to do that, He did not send another one of His sinless children from heaven. He Himself went, out of His great and self-sacrificing love.
The second thing God taught me is that He is triune: one Creator, three beings.
"The Way" was thus shown to me to be exactly what the Bible said all along, BEFORE I read the Bible. Later I verified that everything I was told by God, is in the Bible. So the Bible wasn't changed or added to, and the Trinity DID end up being true, because every other explanation comes short, or distorts things.
"Christian" may have started out as a derogatory label for the followers of Jesus'/God's Way, but what are you going to do now, are you going to go back through time and correct every single soul that ever lived and called itself "a Christian" just so you can be dictionary correct?! Move on, there are issues orders of magnitude more important and pressing!
I have a theory. That David's prophecy of the crucifixion is what brought about Jesus's crucifixion. The Persians and then the Romans learned of crucifixion when they ruled over the Jews. This is a "chicken or the egg" moment. God's prophecy taught man how to crucify man. Mr Winger, what do you think of this theory?
No - they did not learn about crucifixion from the Jews.
I've never read any prophecies in the Bible. Of the ones you mentioned none of them have any dates listed which I feel would be the most important part of any "prophecy"...
Most who are skeptical would say that the Bible is the claim not the evidence. Therefore you need evidence to support the "claim" in this case the bible.
A specific date of fulfillment is a wonderful thing but I don't think it would be rational to make that a necessary requirement of fulfillment. Especially when the prophecies are detailed.
Mike Winger lacking a date is lacking detail by definition.
It's lacking "a detail" but to conflate it with lacking detail in general isn't accurate. You could pick any detail and make it your linchpin. "There isn't a specific name" "there isn't a specific location". But I think this misses the point. Instead of analyzing what IS there you are fixated on what isn't. Have you considered the correlation between the passages and Jesus? I find it deeply impressive.
+Mike Winger if someone says something extremely extraordinary is going to happen and then leaves the time frame as "eternity" I would say that's not a prophecy. Names and other details would obviously improve the accuracy of the prophecy so no one could misinterpret whether or not it was actually happening. In the case of the bible we have no dates at all... in doing so the creators of the books of the bible have given their followers all the time (literally) to make their prediction(s) (more accurate term) happen or at least make it seem as though they did.
Who knows thousands of years from now events happening then may fit these predictions even better...
+Mike Winger correlation between the bible and Jesus? Not sure what you mean, as far as I know the bible is what is claiming Jesus existed and preformed some unbelievable things.
How is it jesus just pops up in history at 33 and once again where did cain get his wife ?? These two things are stumbling blocks to potential christians as its the begining and the end!!
Meant 30!!
Questions i have like how can jesus bloodline be connected to david if god is his father?
Cain's wife was his sister. Adam and Eve had sons AND DAUGHTERS.
Jesus didn't just pop up in history at 33
@@spacemunky53 David is his ancestor through both Mary and Joseph, so it doesn't matter that Joseph was his adopted father.
Are you familiar with the term "Critical Thinking"?
From the Frankfurt school?
Jesus isn't in Psalm 22
How did you come to that conclusion?
It's not talking of Jesus it's talking of David and the word was kaari which does not mean pierced it only means like a lion and David was describing all his enemies like animals also you Christians complain that when we point out phrophecies of muhammad you say we take things out of context but you guys also do when finding one of Jesus so the same rule should apply when finding a phrophecy of muhammad and please read the text again also this video refuted nothing if your willing to I'll refute it one by one but please find something better than this
Hi Mohammad, please watch the whole video before parroting the claims refuted in the video. Blessings; may God cause the light of Christ to shine in your heart ❤️
Quran 69:44-46 Allah said: “And if he [Muhammad] had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, then We would certainly have CUT OFF HIS AORTA.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 4428 - “The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel MY AORTA BEING CUT from that poison.”
At-Tabari, p. 124 - “The Messenger of God said during the illness from which he died - the mother of Bishr b. al-Bara had come in to visit him - “Umm Bishr, at this very moment I feel MY AORTA BEING SEVERED because of the food I ate with your son at Khaybar.”
Sunan Abu Dawud 4498 (repeated in 4499 and 4512) - “He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel the pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar. This is the time when it has CUT OFF MY AORTA.”
Quran 5:67 - Allah said to Muhammad: “O Messenger! Convey that which has been sent down unto thee from thy Lord, and if thou dost not, thou wilt not have conveyed His message. And God will protect thee from mankind.”
Here Allah says that if Muhammad wass a true and honest prophet then Allah would protect Muhammad from ALL humans - but Allah didn't protect him from all humans - because Muhammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman and died because of it:
Sahih Muslim 5430 - “A Jewess came to Allah’s Messenger with poisoned mutton and he took of what had been brought to him. (When the effects of the poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it.”
At-Tabari, p. 124 - “The Messenger of God said during the illness from which he died - the mother of Bishr b. al-Bara had come in to visit him - “Umm Bishr, at this very moment I feel my aorta being severed because of the food I ate with your son at Khaybar.”
Sunan Ibn Majah 1622 - ‘Aishah said: “I never saw anyone suffer more pain than the Messenger of Allah.”’
Sahih al-Bukhari 2588 - ‘Aishah said: “When the Prophet became sick and his condition became serious, he requested his wives to allow him to be treated in my house, and they allowed him. He came out leaning on two men while his feet were dragging on the ground.”
Muhammad’s miraculous knowledge:
The Quran claims that semen is formed between the backbone and the ribs (Quran 86:6-7)
Sunan an Nasa’i 307 - Muhammad told sick people to drink camel urine until they recovered.
Sahih al-Bukhari 1361 and Sunan ibn Majah 347 and 348 - Muhammad said people go to hell for not urinating properly and that most of the torment of hell was because of urine.
Both Imam Suyuti and Imam Tabarani narrated multiple hadith (which were authenticated by many Muslim scholars) which stated that Muhammad said drinking his urine would protect someone from stomach aches and also from Hell.
Sahih al-Bukhari 1144 and 3270 - Muhammad said Satan urinates in people’s ears at night.
Sahih al-Bukhari 3295 - Muhammad said that Satan stays in your nose while you sleep. Muhammad recommended rinsing your nose out three times with water.
Sahih al-Bukhari 1231 - Muhammad said Satan passes wind when the call to prayer is made.
Sahih Muslim 389a - Muhammad said Satan breaks wind so as not to hear the call to prayer.
Sunan an Nasa’ i 671 - Muhammad said Satan passes wind loudly when the call to prayer is made.
Quran 18:50 - Satan is a jinn (a class of supernatural beings created from fire and distinct from angels).
Sahih al-Bukhari 3860 - Muhammad said jinns eat animal dung.
Jami at Tirmidhi 18 - Muhammad said jinns eat dung.
Sunan Abu Dawad 3844 - Muhammad said if a fly falls in your drink, then immerse it, because on one of its wings is a disease and on the other is the cure. He also said when flies fall, they fall onto the wing on which is the disease, so immerse the fly fully.
Sahih al-Bukhari 3320 - Muhammad said if a housefly falls in your drink, you should dip it in the drink because one of its wings has a disease and the other wing has the cure for the disease.
Sunan Ibn Majah Vol. 4, Book 29, Hadith 3256 - Muhammad said that a believer (Muslim) eats with one intestine and the disbeliever eats with seven intestines.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5688 - Muhammad said: “There is a healing in black cumin [a plant used as a spice] for all diseases except death.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 5779 - Muhammad said if you eat seven ‘Ajwa dates in the morning you will not be affected by magic or poison on that day.
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Sunan an-Nasa’i Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 200: ‘The Messenger of Allah said: ”The man’s water is thick and white, and the woman’s water is thin and yellow. Whichever of them comes first, the child will resemble (that parent).”’
Here, Muhammad adds that women have a discharge similar to the semen (genetic material) in men, and equates the two. Whereas in reality, vaginal fluid contains no genetic information and the female genetic material is inside the ovum and is not visible - i.e. it is not a thin, yellow fluid.
Muhammad then makes the astonishing claim that whichever parent orgasms first during sexual intercourse, the child will then resemble that parent.
Obviously, modern science tells us that Muhammad is a false prophet.
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The Quran claims that the sun sets in a hot (or muddy) pool (Quran 18:86).
This claim would mean that the sun is far smaller than the earth.
The passage is about a man named Dhul-Qarnain, and it says he travelled very far and reached the actual place where the sun sets, and met a particular group of people who actually live at the place where the sun sets.
Muslim apologists, embarrassed by this, say we have to re-interpret such passages, and claim this passage means Dhul-Qarnain came to a body of water and must have merely seen the reflection of the sun in the water, so that it appeared to Dhul-Qarnain as if the sun was setting in the pool. They say it doesn’t literally mean the sun sets in the pool. But this is disingenuous for two reasons:
First, the passage is not told from Dhul-Qarnain’s perspective, but from Allah’s.
Secondly, such Islamic apologists are aware that there is an entirely separate incident (not involving Dhul-Qarnain), but this time involving Muhammad himself where the claim is repeated that the sun sets in a pool of water:
In Sunan Abu Dawud 4002, Muhammad himself asks a man if he knows where the sun sets, and then states that the sun “sets in a spring of warm water.” There is no mention of Dhul-Qarnain, so it is not from his perspective, and Muhammad states it as a fact.
“The Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).”
Sahih al-Bukhari 5133
When Muhammad was more than 50 years old he married a 6 year old girl, called Aisha, and had sexual intercourse with her (child rape) when she was only 9 years old (Sahih al-Bukhari 5133 and 5158; Sahih Muslim 3480, 3481, 3482; Sunan abu Dawud 2121). Muslim sources report that Aisha still hadn’t reached puberty and was still playing with her dolls in Sahih al-Bukhari 5236 and 6130 (where it explains that “playing with dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty).
Muhammad and little boys - according to the trusted Islamic sources:
Musnad Ahmad 16245 describes Muhammad’s behaviour with his own grandson - ‘Mua’wiya said: “I saw the Prophet sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the Prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire).”’
Bukhari’s Al-Adab al-mufrad 1183 - ‘Then he said, “Where is the little one? Call the little one to me.” Hasan came running and jumped into his lap. Then he put his hand into his beard. Then the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, opened his mouth and put his tongue in his mouth. Then he said, “O Allah, I love him, so love him and the one who loves him!”’
I've asked you multiple times and you refuse to answer: What is your education level? It's jut a question, dude. Try and stop being defensive and answer.
Einstien dropped out School, and declared to be an imbecile by his teachers. Do you not recognise him due to a low level of education?
Perhaps the reason that Michael does not answer you, is because he believes your motives to be belittling. The evidence he has given is there, please feel free to show me where it is faulty.
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Wow, your really grasping at straws here. The passage "they pierced my hands and feet" is a mistranslation, once you have translated this correctly you'll see you'r folly. This doesn't clearly foretell the crucifixion. The fact that it's so easy for you to twist something like this just shows how far you are willing to go to try and support your case. It a shame that god gave you his words, but made them nearly impossible to understand.
So, did you watch the video? Because he totally addresses that argument.
@@5BBassist4Christ Yes he did, but unfortunately my point is still valid. It's unclear what it is supposed to mean so can be taken to mean anything. It's like Nostradamus' prophecies, several have been shown to be right after the fact, but no one has ever used one of his prophecies to actually predict something that is coming. Also with the bible you have the fact that the new testament authors were trying to get the stories to fit in with the old testament. Yes the old testament predicts the new testament occasionally, but is that because it happened that way or because the authors wanted to say look it's the same as the old testament?
@@colinguyan9704 How did you come to the conclusion that Mike incorrectly interprets Psalm 22 and that it does not refer to crucifixion? Because you don’t need “Christian authors” to tell you Jesus was crucified. Try Jewish Josephus or Roman Tacitus.
Have you watched the videos in Mike’s series leading up to this video about Daniel? Might affect your opinion on the specificity of prophesy.
@@miniwars123 Neither Josephus or Tacitus say anything on the subject. Mike will say anything to prove his point, he even admitted that if the facts don't match the scripture you need to reinterpret it. He's a joke, even for a theist. I'd point you to a theist that makes good arguments but none do.
@@colinguyan9704 You're right. I guess if Josephus doesn't mention Jesus dying on a cross when he says, "About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, ... And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease" then there are no good arguments for Christianity.
I guess if Tacitus doesn't mention the crucifixion when he says, "Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus" then there are no good arguments for Christianity.
What convinces you Psalm 22 should not be translated that way when pre-Christian Jewish sources including the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint disagree with you? What convinces you that Psalm 22 should not be taken that way when the other prophets concur. For Zecharaiah himself says of Messiah, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced" (Zech. 12:10).
What convinces you Mike twists the scripture when non-Messianic Rashi says c. 1,000 A.D. of the meaning of "like a lion, my hands and feet" that it is "As though they are crushed in a lion’s mouth?" What happens to your hands and feet if a lion bites them?