Could also include oracles specifically for the attack and not the other spells. I'd personally say Zealots and Archons could be allowed, given that their attacks are connected to themselves. Zealots with their like laser swords or whatever it is, while Archons to be fair seems to be more so lightning BUT is a beam. Honestly main thing is just if all that can be done is Sentry until you get probably void rays, it's an instant GG to rushes for the most part. Also Colossus while an option would be horrible because of 0 front line to bunch enemies. Zealots at least let minerals get used, gives a way to protect from early rushes, and some frontline for the Colossus. Without them I think Colossus is just too weak.
I was just sitting there in awe thinking damn that was amazing... Then he said alright now let's go for game number 2 and I completely forgot that's how these work XD
I love how consistent you are with uploading new content. I hope you can keep it up!! I can start feeling the urge to go to your channel everyday, it's becoming a habit!
I'm so glad you are doing this! The new mothership is so good in the early game, even in the mid game it's still very strong. Clearly getting it on one base isn't great against Protos, but with a bit better setup I think it will still kick a lot of buttocks, even if it's not out till 10+min.
Maybe in lower levels. Higher levels not exactly. I'm not even a high level but I don't forget to get detection and aware of it. Permanent Cloaking Field is tons better and provides better value.
@@elerushielerushi9180 Nah, with permanent cloak field, units have no choice but to shoot the mothership. With selective cloaking, you can have some of your uncloaked units absorb damage to their shields (esp if your opponenty a-moves into it) and then activate the cloaking field afterwards, effectively giving your mothership less vulnerable.
@@Siluriiformes Thats true thats whats mostly been happening. It still less of a value than it were before with Permanent. With better Mothership micro theres tons of stuffs it can do before. Permanent Cloaking Field and an option to activate it then have like 10 seconds cooldown to activate it again would be nice. Current Cloaking Field is tons weaker than before so many things the permanent can do that the current one cannot do. Simple Oracle can deny that 2 seconds already, barely force scans or detection currently.
@@WhatsY0UTUB3 It probably wil lwork cause players are now less reliant on detection, thats their fault. If I go by current power current Cloaking Field is way too weak. Already had used it and wtached tons of recent games. It feels and already way weaker than before. Anime thing doesn't make sense. Previous Mothership was atleast better in when it was needed the most. Mass Recall radius reduction didn't even need to be nerfed outside of Balance reasons. Even with Balance Reasons its less of a sense to rerf it even with Time Warp or Mothership itself. Still 1 at a time unit and still nerfs than buffs. Kinda odd. Not being an expert here. Edit: Added stuffs. Added stuffs again sorry.
As a Terran player I would love to see a non Protoss pro be able to get their MMR past their mains MMR to finally show these Toss players Terran isn’t broken and P isn’t underpowered. Sadly, I am actually starting to agree PvT is very broken given all recent major tournament results. It’s looking really bad for our Protoss friends atm. Marc, maybe you can get to 6.5k on Toss to give us a little credibility.
Players just don't use it the way WoL Mothership was. 5.0.11 Mothership has tons more power compared with this one, especially Double Mass Recall something this current one can't even do. Edit: Added stuffs sorry.
This strat seems OP vs Zerg, in that by targeting the queens and hatches you eliminate both production and income. In the ESL it looked like the pros were inappropriately using the tempest rush vs drones and were shift clicking targets which wasted shots/dmg. Versus Terran it would seem prudent to also ignore scvs and target production first; tech labs>reactors>starports>CCs. Eliminate space marines upgrades and medivacs and wall in. Versus Protoss you could target tech>artosispylons>starports>cybernetic>robo>nexus.
New Protoss challenge, can only warp in with warp prisms, and gateway units only other than observer and obviously warp prism. I suppose add some other restrictions if it seems too easy lol
I think a 3 base mothership "rush" in PvP recalling like 6 immortals (because PvP is usually stalker heavy) and a few sentries for force fields and guardian shield could be pretty nasty. Or instead of immortals, just recalling mass zealots into their main because the mothership recall field is enormous. You could probably have like 30 zealots by the 6 minute mark if you don't make really anything else.
ngl for most of game 3 I was still laughing out loud at how game 2 ended.. leaving before a single shot was fired 😂😂😂😂 (watching late because I was on a content break - missed you thermy)
Watching uthermal kick someone's ass with a meme build in a game i dont even own shouldnt make me feel like a pro starcraft 2 player, and yet somehow im confident i could hang with the top 10 players in the world rn.
Can you try multiple motherships? I can imagine 2 different possibilities... 1 - you stack them together and use their abilities as the other finishes. 2 - split them apart and do a surprise recall
Only possible in Team Games but not exactly with Mass Recall. You can't Mass Recall allied units even if you are controlling it and they left already, I coidl be wrong though.
Many don't play this but always watch. I don't play because I don't have a pc, I only have a low end smartphone, don't they try to make a mobile version? Create one a playable low end device
Thanks for the content uThermal. Maybe its time for Mothership Core to comeback. This current Mothership is good for earlier parts of the game, it really lacks power in mid-late to late game. Much better maybe to bring back Mothership Core as current Mothership and upgrade to 5.0.11 Mothership with minor improvements. I don't really feel comfortable with this current Mothership when its needed the most (mid-late to especially late game) its feels way weaker the most. Theres more things it can do with 200 energy double Mass Recall with Nexus Recall. This current one just weak. Especially Cloaking Field. Edit: Added stuffs sorry.
I've seen Thermy and Harstem try, but I think the biggest problem is usually in order to kill their depots, pylons, or overlords you have to go through their army/workers and drop their supply, so they don't end up as severely supply blocked. The one exception I can think of is Thermy's viking hunter squads in Penguin Brothers/Skyterran sneaking around and sniping overlords. Other problem is obviously if you're focusing on supply blocking them, you're not weakening their economy or army enough.
@@amythystmiriel true I imagine its not worth attempting unless maybe some mid/late game thing? So they cant remax quickly after a fight? Im not good enough to know if its viable though
It offers a very silly game. If the mothership has recall on hand, you can recall your probes to protect them to the mother ship and make a base elsewhere... during said phase and then recall your army, lol back to defend... while building abase.
I've literally never laughed so hard at a Starcraft video before: "PROTOSS" got me bad.
timestamp please
@@__Mr.White__ 17:27
@@Paralda thanks Mr. Paralda
Thermy, add a probe to the mothership recall so you can build a pylon in their base to reinforce. :-D
idk if this is weird but watching a uthermal video is literally soothing and therapeutic for me.
Exact opposite would be artosis
Same bro
@@adamhrin9866ahahaaaaa. 😂😂
Marc's laugh and excitement is contagious!
Me too. I literally need these on the daily. They stop my panic attacks and make it easier to leave the house for the day
I think the title of this video should have been "PROTOSS" and it would have been perfect.
MuTHERship :P
An interesting idea for a protoss challenge can be ONLY LASERS. Sentry, void ray, colosus, mothership.
That is a lot of gas needed hah
Could also include oracles specifically for the attack and not the other spells.
I'd personally say Zealots and Archons could be allowed, given that their attacks are connected to themselves. Zealots with their like laser swords or whatever it is, while Archons to be fair seems to be more so lightning BUT is a beam.
Honestly main thing is just if all that can be done is Sentry until you get probably void rays, it's an instant GG to rushes for the most part. Also Colossus while an option would be horrible because of 0 front line to bunch enemies. Zealots at least let minerals get used, gives a way to protect from early rushes, and some frontline for the Colossus. Without them I think Colossus is just too weak.
@@mase598 I think zealots is kinda okay but def not archons, since zealot archon is already a comp
do immortals have lasers
Wow. That sounds so strong.
This PROTOSS moment was the absolute highlight of your entire YT career IMO.
timestamp please
17:27 i found it
PROTOSS 😆😆😆
Relatable content.
17:28 XDDDDDD artosis vibes
Man, your videos are the best. I suck at Starcraft but your cheeses and commentary always make me want to play
I was just sitting there in awe thinking damn that was amazing... Then he said alright now let's go for game number 2 and I completely forgot that's how these work XD
When I start watching a uThermy vid, but start falling asleap during the first game and need to go take a nap and come back to it later.
I'm getting Artosis rage vibes, where arbitters are flying the sky and recall the living shit into his base out from nowhere.
22:14 Those shades then the body block- That was so impressive!
The silence and then thumb's up at 17:22. Beautiful.
"PROTOSS" and thumb up after that was the best part, sweet terran tears
I love how consistent you are with uploading new content. I hope you can keep it up!!
I can start feeling the urge to go to your channel everyday, it's becoming a habit!
Could it be a good idea to sneak a probe with the recall. Then you can hide a pylon in their base when recalling back to base?
I'm so glad you are doing this! The new mothership is so good in the early game, even in the mid game it's still very strong. Clearly getting it on one base isn't great against Protos, but with a bit better setup I think it will still kick a lot of buttocks, even if it's not out till 10+min.
But blink will clap any mothership build tho
Just like Arty seeing arbiters. He just quits on sight of the mothership.
At 3:23 “one innocent zergling...”
At 3:57... “I’m afraid I am going to get ling flooded...”
LOL 😂❤
That damaged stalker you killed with oracles damaged by two adepts that you forgot
PROTOSSSSSSSS as he yelled down the grand canyon hoping for a divine intervention
You got to risk it, for the biscuit!
"He knows it's a mothership" assumes this guy is prepared for new madness
Happiest Birthday 🥳 uThermal🎉
I feel like the cloak is more OP now, you can bait in attacks and then you cloak and they just die because their army is in the worst position
Maybe in lower levels. Higher levels not exactly. I'm not even a high level but I don't forget to get detection and aware of it. Permanent Cloaking Field is tons better and provides better value.
@@elerushielerushi9180 literally just watched it work the way he said in high masters lmao. another room temp iq anime soy
@@elerushielerushi9180 Nah, with permanent cloak field, units have no choice but to shoot the mothership.
With selective cloaking, you can have some of your uncloaked units absorb damage to their shields (esp if your opponenty a-moves into it) and then activate the cloaking field afterwards, effectively giving your mothership less vulnerable.
@@Siluriiformes Thats true thats whats mostly been happening. It still less of a value than it were before with Permanent. With better Mothership micro theres tons of stuffs it can do before.
Permanent Cloaking Field and an option to activate it then have like 10 seconds cooldown to activate it again would be nice. Current Cloaking Field is tons weaker than before so many things the permanent can do that the current one cannot do. Simple Oracle can deny that 2 seconds already, barely force scans or detection currently.
@@WhatsY0UTUB3 It probably wil lwork cause players are now less reliant on detection, thats their fault. If I go by current power current Cloaking Field is way too weak. Already had used it and wtached tons of recent games. It feels and already way weaker than before. Anime thing doesn't make sense.
Previous Mothership was atleast better in when it was needed the most. Mass Recall radius reduction didn't even need to be nerfed outside of Balance reasons. Even with Balance Reasons its less of a sense to rerf it even with Time Warp or Mothership itself. Still 1 at a time unit and still nerfs than buffs. Kinda odd. Not being an expert here.
Edit: Added stuffs. Added stuffs again sorry.
As a Terran player I would love to see a non Protoss pro be able to get their MMR past their mains MMR to finally show these Toss players Terran isn’t broken and P isn’t underpowered. Sadly, I am actually starting to agree PvT is very broken given all recent major tournament results. It’s looking really bad for our Protoss friends atm. Marc, maybe you can get to 6.5k on Toss to give us a little credibility.
I wouldn't be so quick to say "these toss players". You don't hear the ones that don't complain. Same with Terran and Zerg.
Marc struck him out with a... *takes off glasses* Pro Toss.
17:35 PROTOSS...lol
This feels like a wings of liberty strat from back in the day when the mothership had vortex.
Players just don't use it the way WoL Mothership was. 5.0.11 Mothership has tons more power compared with this one, especially Double Mass Recall something this current one can't even do.
Edit: Added stuffs sorry.
Uthermals joy is so contagious
TY Thermy! love your content! The new Slayers_Boxer!
This strat seems OP vs Zerg, in that by targeting the queens and hatches you eliminate both production and income. In the ESL it looked like the pros were inappropriately using the tempest rush vs drones and were shift clicking targets which wasted shots/dmg.
Versus Terran it would seem prudent to also ignore scvs and target production first; tech labs>reactors>starports>CCs. Eliminate space marines upgrades and medivacs and wall in.
Versus Protoss you could target tech>artosispylons>starports>cybernetic>robo>nexus.
That bodyblock of one adept vs 2 stalkers was really dumb and awesome in the same time for STARCRAFT 2😂😂😂
Reminds me a lot of Arbiter play in Brood Wars.
New Protoss challenge, can only warp in with warp prisms, and gateway units only other than observer and obviously warp prism. I suppose add some other restrictions if it seems too easy lol
You can't spell MuTHERship without uTHERMAL :D
4:32 A “swell” of zerglings? Is that what a group of them is called? I like to call it a gaggle of zerglings.
So nice of Uthermal, making all these Grandmasters famous! 😅
I think a 3 base mothership "rush" in PvP recalling like 6 immortals (because PvP is usually stalker heavy) and a few sentries for force fields and guardian shield could be pretty nasty. Or instead of immortals, just recalling mass zealots into their main because the mothership recall field is enormous. You could probably have like 30 zealots by the 6 minute mark if you don't make really anything else.
Please start taking a probe with your recall so you can build a pylon and shield batteries or slow warps or both or even a gate and fast warps
Stop the cap Marc. You read and memorize all the upgrades on your Fleet Beacon poster on your ceiling poster above your bed.
ngl for most of game 3 I was still laughing out loud at how game 2 ended.. leaving before a single shot was fired 😂😂😂😂
(watching late because I was on a content break - missed you thermy)
Gotta love that muddership :)
Woot!... loving this mother's hip business!
Lol on the auto correct... fml
Marc. Game 2 - those force fields were SO mean lmfao
I hope thermy gets millions of subs he deserves it!
Seeing his micro I guarantee uthermal made this vid right after the silver micro challenge 😂
New vid! YEY!
Phoenix stalker seems op versus new cyclone. I think if you focus the tank there you would have won.
How about SCV/probe/ to GM? How high MMR can you make a sprint and out micro your opponents? 🎉
Watching uthermal kick someone's ass with a meme build in a game i dont even own shouldnt make me feel like a pro starcraft 2 player, and yet somehow im confident i could hang with the top 10 players in the world rn.
Good Mornings!
Can you try multiple motherships? I can imagine 2 different possibilities... 1 - you stack them together and use their abilities as the other finishes. 2 - split them apart and do a surprise recall
Only possible in Team Games but not exactly with Mass Recall. You can't Mass Recall allied units even if you are controlling it and they left already, I coidl be wrong though.
Many don't play this but always watch.
I don't play because I don't have a pc, I only have a low end smartphone, don't they try to make a mobile version? Create one a playable low end device
i got mother rushed in diamond today as a terran, thank you.
@uThermal can you win with no units but planetry only?
I like how he is creative and not doing orthodox builds
😁👍 PROTOSS
Why no oracle for Revelation? Could use full range of Tempests that way.
17:30 !!!! hahhahahahahhahhahahahahhahahahahhaha😂😂😂😂
Let's go!
17:28 Artosis pls
Best CZcamsr!
Ah, this feels like Arbiter recall already. Artosis feels this disturbance in the force and that's why won't play SC2 anytime soon.
How about a Mothership to Grandmother series?
Thanks for the content uThermal.
Maybe its time for Mothership Core to comeback. This current Mothership is good for earlier parts of the game, it really lacks power in mid-late to late game. Much better maybe to bring back Mothership Core as current Mothership and upgrade to 5.0.11 Mothership with minor improvements.
I don't really feel comfortable with this current Mothership when its needed the most (mid-late to especially late game) its feels way weaker the most. Theres more things it can do with 200 energy double Mass Recall with Nexus Recall. This current one just weak. Especially Cloaking Field.
Edit: Added stuffs sorry.
How about proxy nexus mothership rush?
Lets remove mamaship limit and let Uthermal cooks with mamaship only
ayy let's go
PROTOSS!!! 👿
"PROTOSS"
PROTOSS... HAHAHAHAHA ^^
I swear, there is nothing better than clapping terrans with some ridiculous protoss stuff 😂
Why would you wish anybody to get mad
PROTOSS
PROTOSS!
PROTOSSSSSS! ;,D
❤
I mean, 3 basing something is hardly a rush. Unless it's zerg I guess
Supply blocker to GM!!!
Omg, this is not a new mothership, this is an old cancer from sc1. Arbiter spam+recall
how viable is it to supply block your enemies to submission?
I've seen Thermy and Harstem try, but I think the biggest problem is usually in order to kill their depots, pylons, or overlords you have to go through their army/workers and drop their supply, so they don't end up as severely supply blocked. The one exception I can think of is Thermy's viking hunter squads in Penguin Brothers/Skyterran sneaking around and sniping overlords.
Other problem is obviously if you're focusing on supply blocking them, you're not weakening their economy or army enough.
@@amythystmiriel true
I imagine its not worth attempting unless maybe some mid/late game thing? So they cant remax quickly after a fight? Im not good enough to know if its viable though
More Skytoss!!!
So the Blizzard incapables were finally able to balance their flawed code 10 years after release? :D
It offers a very silly game. If the mothership has recall on hand, you can recall your probes to protect them to the mother ship and make a base elsewhere... during said phase and then recall your army, lol back to defend... while building abase.
PROTOSS🤣😆
Scout and do your drops to pressure and get intel on the Protoss... doing nothing and then screaming PROTOSS isn't a plan...
The next best thing to penguin brothers is your protoss BS
no outtro music? mate...
I never know why when there is PvZ , why don't you make a phoenix or two and hunt the overloads and just make him distracted ?
Mothership to GM with Motherlover as nickname pls
Mass phoenix to gm ❤
MARKIPLIER
Wthermal
Hey thermie, would Be SO cool if you covered the scion custom races talked about the balance and showed some fun build orders we could use. :)
It would be hilarious if ur name was MaMa MIA 😅
mutta ship
This is so typical SC2. Win with stupid coinflip strategy because Z has no decent anti-air and can't respond for hours.
1st?
3rd