This Bottom Bracket will save 10 Shimano XT ones from Landfill 😂
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- čas přidán 8. 01. 2023
- As much as I want this to be fantastic, I am struggling with the economics of it! This is an Enduro MaxHit Bottom Bracket:
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My Inbox lit up with users asking me to comment on this so here wee go
1. Stainless steel is actually quite soft, it's much softer than normal "bearing steel"
2. Angular contact bearings are in my opinion not worth it for road, because you don't have that much sideways load. For MTB, you might have a bit more but lateral load but I can't imagine a 6000 series would not conver it.
3. in most roating systems, there is a desire to reduce rotating weight. INcreasing the weight of the balls ,does not in my view, improve performance.
4. The bearing design uses what appears to be a snap in a plastic cage. The stiffer bearings will generally have riveted metal cages. I think that is a desirable characteristic but I'm sure someone from Enduro will be along to tell me why I'm wrong.
5. I note the bearing lifetime warranty does not cover dirt ingress. The most likely method of failure is contamination, especially in MTB use.
Thanks for chipping in. I’ll let everyone know in about 5 years time 😂.
See, I knew exactly what he’d say was wrong.
Must be an avid fan GXN157. 👍
@@Mapdec my opinion 1, not so soft as to be inappropriate for use in this case. 2 They are worth it for road use. There’s a lot more side forces than he thinks, plus angular puts the balls in full race contact all the time and can take more preload. 3 The larger ball size at the distance from center is not going to affect performance. For someone to even bring that up is absurd. If that additional weight was say 6 to 12 inches fri center I’d start to worry. 4 no comment 5. I also have concern about the dirt and water ingress, but I already have taken that into account beforehand and as mentioned and would plan to remove these seasonally to clean them.
@@GNX157 This isn't really a question about agreeing with you or saying one person is right or not but I have justified my opinions - you may not agree with them and you are perfectly entitled to do so.
The price of this is absolutely hysterical. I've had no issues with Saint bottom brackets. Thousands upon thousands of kilometers and if I want, I could pop the bearings out and press new ones in.
I recently took the Shimano UNC300 square taper bottom bracket out of my Raleigh RX-100 bike, bought in 1994 or so. It was still perfect after 35 years use in all weathers, so I put it back in. They cost about £20 in 2023.
That's exactly why my Gravel bike hasn't been upgraded to the GRX components I have sitting right here haha
Stil costs about £20 😳
@@daniels.2720 I am curious why GRX exists, is there a need for it? if so which needs does it meet?
I see the GRX has a link, while MTB range connects to the hanger, not a link to the hanger. I don't see why a MTB RD would not work. different pull ratios?
I don't use mechanical shifters any more, so for me pull ratio does not matter.
I see Ingrid components made a crazy expensive rear derailleur, but it's modular, so you can swap out the rear end to suit the drivetrain.
But shame it does not have a off switch for the clutch. But it looks like Ingrid uses nylon bushings, so I am sceptic.
That BB is cup and cone too, you can rebuild them even in the frame
When the outboard bottom brackets came out I was quick to make the change but after many years I realized the old square taper is far superior. I've gone back to square taper titanium axle from Aliexpress. Inexpensive and lasts forever as opposed to outboards falling apart quickly.
I think it's great that a company has tried to make a high quality component time will tell but all the same it's nice to see
Still over half the price of what I paid for my Hambini Bottom Bracket. I'll stick with the Hambini BB, which has worked flawlessly. Plus they have a very interesting creator and spokesperson!
This is a different thing. Big hits and foul weather
@@Mapdec I know. I just wanted to brag that I bought a Hambini bottom bracket.😁😁🚵🚵
@@dsarcevic lol
@@dsarcevic tbf that's the only way you can flex a hambini bb
@@jonnythelegs2597 Exactly! it is a hidden component. I have ridden the bike extensively and it has performed flawlessly. Maybe I should put a sign on my back stating that I bought a Hambini BB when I am out cycling. I am not a showy cyclist but I do take pride in purchasing an extremely precisely engineered high quality product.
Skateboarders (I used to skate) go through bearings at a furious rate yet we didn't hesitate to fit ceramic bearings with titanium outer races. The longevity was only slightly better but the performance improvements were obvious. I applaud any attempt to improve the engineering used in bicycles, in many cases bearings that were not specifically designed for purpose are used as they were simply the most appropriate industry standard readily available. IE they may well NOT be the best solution
Ti races. Skaters are so cool.
i personally prefer cheaper BB, but more frequently replaced, as BB is constantly exposed to all dirt coming from front tire directly to BB area.
After years of terrible sram gxp BBs, I started using full size cups and just replacing the bearings. I have a very nice puller that lets me pop out the 24-37-7 bearings and press in new ones for as cheap or expensive as I want. My current bike had Wheels MFG cups and enduro SS AC bearings and it works very well. That said, I am going to try this one. The larger bearings speak to me so we will see how it works. If it has issues, I have my current set as a backup. Thanks for the news.
I have the sram gxp bottom backret which one did you replace it with??
IMO no BB comes close to the humble Shimano pf86 plastic BBs when it comes to sealing. Why do they use a proprietary bearing inside? Because they've left proper space for a proper lip seal system. Provided the frame is straight a pf Shimano bb should last ages. Been riding the same one on my rim tcr in all weathers since 2016. Haven't replaced my MTB one and thats still smooth and quiet after 2.5 years.
Impressive. I hope they come out ok when it’s time.
Some part of me wants to see more products like this. Ideally, with user replaceable bearings. Because the shell itself can literally last forever. That would be a nice move to reduce waste.
But I'd still buy 10 new ones. Sending it back to Enduro, waiting for a new(or refurbrished) one. Too much effort. Just not worth it. Plus, you have to pay $150-200 upfront. Which is steep.
Good luck fitting bearings direct to the frame with bicycle industry tolerances. Plus stainless steel cups mean you’d probably wear out your frame when issues occur.
It’s not clever to make the part of the system that is supposed to be the first to be replaced the most precise and resistant.
Get HT2 bbs and move on to more important stuff on the bike.
Been riding a hardtail 29r for 8 years. The new XT bearings aren't bad at all, however, a couple of good pedal strikes can cause small cracks in the plastic seal/inner race cover. Once that happens, it's a matter of time before dust/dirt gets in and the dreading clicking noises of death rear their ugly head. I used the shimano BB that came with my Dura Ace equipped road bike as temporary measure till XT replacements arrived. The Dura Ace BB seemed to spin better and the seals are just as effective. The current XT bearings I'm running have been solid for the last 2 years (3 to 4 rides / week). As long as you don't damage the plastic seal thing (which is very easy to do during installation), the current XT bb is solid. When the current bearings fail, I plan on installing Saint BB, which my riding friends swear by as being indestructible. Big caveat: This is from a mountain biking perspective, where a solid pedal strike or a gnarly crash can really stress the bb bearings.
I guess this is what these MaxHit are designed for
I've got a hollowtechII BB with the same broken plastic race cover. The part the snapped off glued itself to the crank spindle.
Now I've got to check the cranks for strike marks
Have you seen the Cane Creek Hellbender Neo? > The bearings are encased in a solid polymer that lubricates the bearings, keeps water and dirt out and therefore should last much longer than regular 440c bearings.
Never had a BB that did not outlast my road bikes. Used the same Shimano Ultegra BB on one bike for 15 years. Greased it once after around a decade. Still going smooth when the bike was retired many thousands of KM later. Road bike BB's don't decay if properly installed, greased and not subjected to water. MTB and gravel conditions will of course take their toll and water can be a killer if it gets in.
I'm dealing with recycled bikes and interestingly those old bottom brackets with cage bearings supporting square taper axles are mostly still going fine after 20 or 30 years. Yup sometimes you might have to clean and re-grase but they are still in a sound condition
I've seen sb take the adapter/cover off a Shimano press fit BB92, but the problem for me is at least with the cheaper ones is the cover will snap if I try that, no matter how careful. Also even removal of the BB can damage it. So is there a difference in the plastics used? are there more durable ones? was I just unlucky? Reason I had to take them out was not due to bearing worn out, but due to cranks failing and I need cranks ASAP, and Race Face Turbine was only thing I could find in stock with direct mount that I could get fast and easily. But mounting press fit 30mm cups into bb92 BB shell is not optimal, especially with Race Face BB as they are not even angular contact, but as the bike was trash, the BB wore more on the left I guess, it swayed more to the left.
My Campagnolo Nuevo Record square taper cup and cone bb will outlive that one by many years..and I can rebuild it in 20 minutes..
That's a weird one. I'm generally very much in favour of longevity, but this still depends on the frame aperture being well aligned. I'm not sure how they're going to warranty something like this when the condition of the warranty is dependent on someone else's manufacturing.
Very true for the PressFit.
@@Mapdec still true for threaded. Especially with the larger T47.
For 179 they can replace it 10 times and still be in the black.
I have not replaced a bottom bracket on any of my bikes through wear since we changed from square taper 20+ years ago!
I've gone back to square taper. Lasts longer, seals better. Titanium axle with ceramic bearings.
Unfortunately no CZcams Channel is going to even acknowledge that something old is the way to go over something new from the industry
This is definitely not a replacement for Ultegra or other road bottom brackets. Higher load capacity and impact resistance are needed rather in freeride, dirt, etc. Also, 440C is just ok steel for bearings, does not provide hardness and hence longevity of dedicated SUJ2.
But the worst here is this limited warranty: contamination will be the major cause of damage (especially in frames with insufficient drainage due to compromised inner side seal). Basically, Enduro are only covering late detection of production faults. And excessive wear rate as the result of improper material choice, of course.
The drainage is a good point. Umm
@John Brown SKF onelove, whatever there is for 3€ on kugellager-express onelife✊
The trouble has been that for years everything has been made lighter with an reasonable life span. At a value where people can justify changing out after a few thousand miles . It is not shocking that with bigger bearings and seals that actually seal it would last a lot longer. Most modern bbkt's if the weight increased 25% would last a relative life time.
Actually 440C one of the lowest wear and impact resistance of the stainless steels.
Have you tried skf mtrx solid oil
Bearings? I’ve had a bb30 set in a gravel bike for 4 years in all weathers. Have another set in a bsa bb on a winter road bike now too. There’s a little extra drag initially. For me they’ve been excellent and don’t cost much more than standard.
Personally I don't mind stripping and replacing cheaper BB items, I get that's a bit wasteful in parts but with my usage it's maybe one BB in 18 months. If I was really high mileage or less mechanically capable I might consider the cost justifiable though.
Paul, I just took a more extensive look at this bearing kit, and they are indeed angular contact. Major plus for me because I believe in that concept even if hambini doesn’t. He’s not the gospel on everything. I can’t post a link to the enduro page otherwise YT will delete my post. Since the shell is the outer race, I’d just pop the front seal and wash them out that way after unscrewing them from the frame when it came time to clean them. I’m going to consider these for my gravel bike when I convert the crank from FSA omega megaexo crank to a Shimano 24mm GRX-600 crank.
Thanks for correcting me.
I want it for my Bullitt Cargo bike. It sees quite a few km's every year and is my main transport, so it would be nice to rst assured that it has a really solid bottom bracket
Lifetime bottom brackets have been around for decades: cup and cone square taper. Check and adjust their preload every thousand miles or so. Service them fully when you need to change the chain rings. You'll never need to do anything else.
not true , crap gets in and wears the bearing surface , pits form and you need to replace the axle , balls and bearing cups
@@patthewoodboy It might get in, but it's easy to get out. If you've got particularly gritty roads, just service them more frequently. That's how it always works with dirtier conditions, no matter what kind of vehicle.
@@rangersmith4652 damage is done before you know , my point went over your head
@@patthewoodboy No, it didn't. If you're smart, you know the conditions in which you ride are going to be an issue, and you service your equipment accordingly. Waiting until there's an obvious grinding will cause issues, naturally. So you don't wait for that, just like you don't wait for your car's engine to seize to change the oil. Cup and cone square taper BBs have been around for decades, and while they often suffer some minor scoring, new balls and fresh grease give them new life - -unless they're totally trashed, of course. But that's the owner's fault, not the design's.
@@rangersmith4652 I'll just file you under "I am correct and my ego rules"
Always wondered why no-one makes HTII cups out of steel with bigger ball bearings, like the engineering of the Maxhit but would prefer it to take replaceable bearings. Just swapped out the Token HTII BB on my road bike to a £27 Praxis Standard Bottom Bracket, avoid the Shimano bb's as the bearings are narrow, poorly sealed and hard to replace. Have fitted some new Blueseal bearings (filled with waterproof grease and has close-contact rubber seals) off Ebay in the Token cups using the easy to use Hope HTT178 Bearing Tool. My Sunn BMiX uses beefy 6204RS sealed bearings OD:47mm Bore:20mm Width:14mm.
Interesting combo Xerp
Does this bb use a proprietary wrench or is it a 44mm 16 notch wrench ? Thanks
Love Maxhit!
Winter fat bike racers typically pull the seals and replace the grease for super cold grease, then add a couple of drops of very light oil….every season. So are they going to supply replacement seals?
In Sh and GXP units, it’s the stupid internal spacer btw the inner race and the spindle that wears out long before the bearings. The crankset then starts wobbling around, the bearings not even engaged, the spindle gets marred or even worn down. Do these BBs have these spacers? Is this how “under rotation” happens?
The problem I see with a "lifetime" BB is that with the ever increasing pace at which manufacturers change various standards, would cranks designed in 10 or more years even be the same? What about frames? Also, what happens if the part outlives the manufacturer?
So if I fit one to my DJ bike is that considered 'normal use'? There's certainly going to be lots of impact and some crashes in what I would call normal use for a DJ bike.
I run a Hope BB on a BSA 73mm shell with a 30mm axle crank (I know, smaller ball bearings don't last as long) but I've been running it for over a year and its still smooth as butter. If it does start to grind I can replace the bearings relatively easily without relying on bespoke parts still being available.
Been using Hambini for 2-3 years. Same bearings. 20k miles last year road/turbo plus some mtb (Hambini to be fitted Epic). Venge +Epic. NOT ONE PROBLEM. Regularly unload 1,800w in launch. Wouldn't hesitate to fit Hambini. Can't beat one piece shell.
Different use case, but yes. This is more about MTB big impact and abuse.
Does a Hambini BSA BB have a one piece shell ??
@@Andy-co6pn ask hambini
@Andy nope, it's a two-piece design because you have to thread both sides.
That's a pressfit BB, this is for a threaded BB
Last time I used ceramic enduro bearings for a BB 30 Super Six they were trashed within 5 months riding never in wet conditions.
Lesson there is that alignment is more important than material.
Very interesting design. Bigger balls has to be a plus😂 Also, I’ve seen that cage design on Ekar cranks. Seems to do a good job of keeping the dirt out.
I did wonder about external impact on the outer race. At least if the bearings are inside a shell and the shell gets hit hard, you can take the bearings out and put them in a new shell. In the case of this BB the outer race is the shell.
I have gone down a different route. I am currently trying out a Chinese ZTTO bottom bracket which cost £11. When i got it i took out the bearings (which were cheap rubbish) and replaced them with Japanese Koyo fully sealed 6805 bearings which have a life expectancy of 20,000 hours. The alloy ZTTO shell seems really well made and the tolerances seem good. The shell has a really tight fit on the Shimano sleeve. So i am servicing them every six months. If the BB shell degrades i will replace with another. The service involves taking out the BB completely and cleaning the frame. I also take the top hats off and spray ACF50 onto the outside of the bearing cartridge for an extra layer of protection. I don't know how this will go but ATM its working really well. If i get a couple of years or more i will consider this a winner. I know I am taking a risk as I have not stress tested them. I have gone on weight and visual inspection alone. They are slightly heavier than Shimano equivalent and they tightly clamp to the Shimano sleeve even better than the original Shimano shells (the sleeve that came with it is useless).
I have been playing with Zitto BBs in a similar way. Just using them as carriers.
Thanks for this note. I have just put a ZTTO BB (BSA to Hollowtech 2) in one of my bikes (an old steel frame that will be my turbo trainer machine). It's silky smooth right now, but I will consider a quality bearing upgrade when I service it. I use a touch of teflon grease between the BB and the frame (to reduce steel, aluminium bonding) as well as between the BB and the crank axle for ease of insertion and removal. This may or may not be a good idea.
Hi...the problem is that is it still avaiable to buy???
Really good idea to make BB like this.
Any thoughts on their product that allows SRAM DUB to be used in BB86 frame - BKS-7016 - Press-In, Flanged, Double-Row, stainless steel Bottom Bracket solution for BB86/92 ? Is this the conversion that Hambini doesn't recommend?
It’s probably the best way to solve a problem, maybe solve is the wrong word. It’s the best way to hack a solution.
So what happens if the frame BB is mis-aligned? That will wear out a bearing pretty quick. The warranty seems like a get out of jail clause. I know most BSA sleeves are one piece BUT there may be exceptions and watch Hambini - sure he can come up with a few issues........
Yes. This isn’t designed for friction free spinning though. The big balls will help. The big deal here is impact and corrosion.
@@Mapdec The Big Balls will help -they all say that!
Concerning the road, a stock duraace bb is about $50 to $60..a ceramic speed is $380...for 2 watts i can buy 7 shimano duraace bb..amazing how many suckers fall for that ceramic nonsense
Have you tried the CaneCreek Hellbender NEO series with SKF's MTRX solid oil technology? I'm guessing they were not amazing - since CaneCreek has apparently stopped offering them and is now selling something more similar to these 440c stainless cup Enduro MaxHit for a similar price point.
Interesting, Thx for sharing, I did not know they stopped making them, I see it's not on their website. I see Hellbender 110 has Enduro XD-15 ceramic bearings.
I don’t recall ever seeing them in actual real life. Did they ever actually make them
@@Mapdec They did! I've got a 68mm BSA threaded one in my Lynskey GR300, but it's only seen maybe 4 or 5 thousand kilometers of mixed weather use since early 2020. I've got a less than ideal configuration with a SRAM Force 1 carbon crankset - which means relatively small bearing balls in an outboard sort of configuration that Hambini lambasts. So far so good, but I've been waiting to see anything like a long term review.
how is it protected from debris & water entering down through the seat-post down-tube or from rear triangle ? which in my experience with wear & tare is were most bb's suffer their demise, presumably its a sealed unit but we all know that over time even sealed units will start to fail, also surely correct fitting will be in question if not carried out by a competent or registered mechanic regarding warranty
They have an additional seal on the inside
Not any cheaper than Chris King.
I’d have a King over an Enduro any day - I recently returned an 8 year old king bb for a new bearing and it was done under warranty and shipped back for free.
gotta say though.. I may not want one.. but I love the idea that the company is trying to produce LIFE-TIME components!.. THAT I can't complain about!
Great point.
That warranty sounds worthless. It takes ages to wear out an uncontaminated $12 Shimano BB. (The $25 Ultegra BBR60 model is actually worse, it uses smaller bearings.) Once the dirt gets in, it's toast, and it'll be the same for this one. Ball size isn't the limiting factor.
As with all seals you will get an issue when water and dirt gets inside the bearing. This BB is not serviceable, because the actual bearing cannot be cleaned and regreased. Don't see any benefit over a cheap XT BB. If you want to buy a serviceable BB which could be cleaned and regreased go for a Chris King. Chris King bearings are also covered by a lifetime warranty.
I just changed my Ultegra BB on my gravel bike after 4 years and ~ 10k miles. EZ replacement since I have a threaded BB shell.
What!!
Compared to Shimano XT, Enduro, or Dura-Ace BB, is there a noticeable performance hit with these Enduro Max Hit BBs?
That’s quite a vague and broad selection to compare. Probably similar to a Shimano XT
What I meant is if I have a Shimano Ultegra BB86 on my road bike, and I switch to the Enduro Maxhit, will there be a performance hit with my pedaling output? @@Mapdec
How much does it cost to change a BB? What about not being able to ride your bike? That's the BB I want outside the problem of having a press fit bike, damn it... It's my experience that a lot of things that claim to save watts might work, but the question is, for how long? Particularly when it comes to bearings that achieve part of their drag reduction by having marginal seals. How many rides do you get before the dirt in the bearings cost more than the exotic materials save?
Depends how stuck and accessible it is. It’s not a job that’s done in isolation really.
@@Mapdec When you do the math, that's got to bring the value way up.
Does it come in a square taper version?
😂
I've popped the seals and packed out every headset and bb bearing I've ever fitted to a bike. Never replaced one, my current bb is seven years old, must have done 50k Road miles wet n dry. Popped the seals every year, flushed and repacked.
Every Shimano bottom bracket I've owned has outlasted my time with the bike. Maybe I just go through too many bikes.
I’m def interested in these. I live in the west coast of norway. Wet as f$&k here and I’m sick of replacing BB’s all the time. Interesting the enduro lifetime warranty doesn’t include dirt ingress. Can’t say I’ve properly opened up and inspected worn out BB bearings before but they often feel so not by they feel like they have dirt in them.
I have a BBinfinite in the MTB. Lifetime warranty on their ceramic bearings too. I just killed two of them. Emailed BBinfinite and they sent out new ones no questions asked. But these larger bearing balls if the Maxhit bearings have me interested.
Hey. Similar with BBunfinate here. They don’t last in mud. These Enduro ones have help up so far. I have just cleaned them out and replaced the seals recently too.
Having just had my hope T47 sieze up on a ride after 4 months killing the crankset I reckon that warranty could be put to the test.
Would enduro just say it's contaminated?
I would love to know.
My custom 1981 Follis still has the original Titanium axle Mavic RD500 square tapper. My TA triple cranks set ate through at least half a dozen chainrings... the drive side crank's removal threads are stripped but I have not taken it apart since the last Millenium... I remember that it cost about 500 French Francs in 1981... Almost 10% of the entire custom bike build budget... I also had a 1998 Campagnolo Record on a Litespeed Vortex (the ones will double bearings on the drive side) that was still good when taking apart around 2018... The secret to long bearing life is alignement, protection of water ingress and Size... This adresses only one of the three, while a cartridge square tapper BB addresses all three which is why even cheap ones will last a decade...
Woah. That’s incredible. Must have been a very special bike.
I have 3 bikes with Mavic BBs. None of them have ti. axles. You sure about this? Chamfer system for the BB shell was a great way to ensure good alignment though. But they weren't suited to the low-profile cranks that came afterwards - and they had Italian taper which meant you could only use them on certain cranks.
Also one of the guys I used to race with managed to twist 2 Mavic BB axles to fracture point within a month.
Record 98 BB was rubbish - stopped using them and downgraded to Chorus which was longer lasting as I was wearing them out too quickly.
Most durable BB I have from this time was Shimano UN91 XTR. That ran so well and never had a single problem with it.
It's just so nice you'd almost have to buy it.
I know. Eek.
Paul, I use enduros AC T440 SS bearings in my trek BB90 and you can, and others do, take the seals off and clean them thoroughly and regrease. The orange dust covers do a good job of keeping dirt and water out when a good waterproof grease is used between bearing and dust cover. I repack the bearings with Phil woods hydrophobic grease. I usually use an exacto knife to get under the lip and pop the seal off. Take note or make some sort of mark on each bearing as to which side had the green and black seal if it’s an angular contact bearing. (Bearings are directional) The nylon cage orientation is not a guarantee as to where each seal goes. I also like that the AC bearings can and require more bearing preload when installing, and my cranks turn quite freely now that the bearings and lip seal are broken in and greased well. The orange dust seals on the BB90 actually need replacing from time to time though as they can rub against the frame and any dirt as they move with the crank. Thankfully realworldcycling sells just the seals.
These are quite different. You can’t access both sides of the bearing. The side you can access doesn’t get you anywhere enough for a decent clean. Better to just leave it intact I think.
I've been doing the same for years as well. All this bearing replacement talk is weird to me.
I've had great success with degreaser and an air compressor while rotating the bearings, rinse and repeat 5 times.
If the bearings are "indexed" with flat spots on the race or chipped balls its better than before but only buying time.
For the bmx/euro/BSA bb s with 4x bearings its a must to clean them. All the dirt comes down the seat post and into the bearings. No way I'd replace 4x bearings every 2 months, I recycle all steel components instead of landfilling but I couldn't justify replacing perfectly good bearings. If you ride in actual sand or sea expect the bearings to be corroded not just dirty
@John Brown I really don’t know how mine would hold up as my bike is a trek Madone road bike. It’s got the enduro seals and an orange dust seal cover which I fill the gap with grease as well and they’ve last a long time in road use, and I don’t purposely ride in rain or wet conditions. On the bb90 Madones the frame has a design flaw/peculiarity (my opinion) in that it contributes to guiding water or sweat right down the frame to the top of the BB, so moisture ingress is a problem if you don’t stay on top of the grease sandwich. Curious, What was the manner of failure for yours? Ps I’m pretty sure the bb90 bearings for yours and mine are the same part from enduro.
@John Brown Are you sure you were using the T440 stainless angular contact? And running with the green seals facing out? I’ve never had a hint of rust on mine. also if you have a loose netmold socket, I’m told by real world cycling that users have had success wrapping the outer race with a few rotations of Teflon thread sealing tape, then pressing bearing into socket, trim excess after. Everything’s gotta be super clean and greaseless on that outer race for the tape to stay in place before pressing in. It made my sons loose standard 37mm bearing go in quite snug. Finding the oversize 37.1 bearing can be tough but helps some people as well, and then there’s the Token solution, which they make in standard 37 and slightly oversize 37.1 for loose netmold sockets.
If you get shops to install BBs then the price comparison is much better.
tbh most people don't keep mountain bike frames long enough to make this worth it
Haha. Yes. Very true.
I have buy a Wheels Manufacturing GXP BB 2 years ago for 80€ for my gravel bike cause the original sram bb already done after 5 month. It still work very good and my force crankset fit with 0 tolerance on it (not like the original Sram bb) . This bb is a great upgrade but i don't want to spent more than 80€ . I mean on my commuter road bike with 105 group a 20 € Shimano bb works 2-3 years.
Hmm, $179 against a $25 competitor. It looks like a good idea, but I'm not willing to spend 7x the money to get it. The XT BB I have in one bike is on year four without issue.
I'd stick to the shimano bb if I had their cranks. The real value is in the BSA30\DUB versions, because of their strength vs aluminum cups.
You can use them with the budget models from Race Face too, as they use 24mm axle isntead of 30mm.
a sram dub bb is still only like 30 quid though, can it be cheaper to buy a £180 one for the life of the frame? maybe haha
But does this not produce even more waste, since the whole cups need replacing when the bearings go bad, as opposed to just swap out the bearings inside the cups?
Shimano ones do not have replaceable bearings. Only very premium one tend to allow this.
Lifetime warranty- good for sustainability don’t you think?
So you can’t just replace the bearings, you have to send it back to the manufacturer - as long as they remain in business. And the bearing is facing outwards to the weather, rather than being protected by the bearing shell. That doesn’t look like a good design IMHO.
Nice but no way , 179.00 ?? i will stick to my box full of bottom brackets that i just pop new bearings into.. But its cool
In my opinion it's a disapointment. I quite like the concept but it's simply too expensive and i'm not really ready to pay a huge premium for lifetime warranty. I have used enduro (max) bearing on my spark suspension and they didn't last very long because of bad sealing. Maybe those have better seals but most bike bearings are lost to contamination, no seal can be perfect. At around 50euros with a 3 years warranty i might give this a try. Also as Hambini shown a lot of problems come from poor frame alignment, so if your frame kill your twin cup setup too bad for you.
At that price i could by a whole lot of standard bottom brackets! Mine allready has lasted me multiple years. I would rather invest in a Hambini BB with replaceble bearings instead of this product.
I really need a new BB but local bike shop said they don't have one that would fit :/
What!!!!!!!!
@@Mapdec I have a cheap Chinese MTB from ~2009 the swing arm bearings are also completely shot, leaning in to corners at speed is unpredictable af, that part I also never managed to take apart to see which bearings.
I’m sure it can be fixed.
The fact that warranty is void from dirt means it's no good for MTB, the seals only work to an extent
If you add the labor to the part cost it makes more sense.
Dont worry landfill operatives, your jobs are safe with my old xt bottom brackets
Hambini, weigh in please.
Hahaha
After 24 years,and countless km by me and the previous owner of my steel road bike, Shimano 105 bb (square tapered) is STILL happily turning around! I would love to see Hambini,King,or any modern bb do that! Impossible!
Planned obsolescence, corporate greed,and dummies who fall to the latest trends!
Greetings from Croatia 😎
Hard to make the comparison, Hambini himself might not even be 24 years old yet! I've seen Chris King BBs that old still going.
I believe shimano bottom bracket is a far more reasonable choice, taking into consideration the price tag and pretty good quality of shimano bottom brackets.
This one perfectly makes sense with 30 mm spindles in bsa 73/68 frames.
I bought an xt bb for 14€ last week... brand new of course
8x the mass might seem like a lot, the way how the weight of a sphere is proportional to its diameter though makes that it only has about 2x the diameter, still significant but much less impressive.
There is so many BUTs to this warranty I’d say it is unattainable… since I ride in all conditions including winter and salts, I use Shimano high grade BBs and when it is time to replace, I just replace them at not a high cost. I would not invest my money in those Lifetime warranties, life tells me they are mostly PR. Product and quality looks good though, wonder what price would be without LLW promise, because good tolerances are important.
They do look good.
@@Mapdec Paul look away now 🫣
Unless I missed something, what concerns me is that since the cups screw into the frame directly without a tube connecting both sides they rely solely on the bike’s frame. Wonderful if the bike’s frame is totally solid and trustworthy, but not so good if the frame is less so or worse, somehow fractionally mal aligned. Otherwise I would get one. The frictional points on a bike are often underestimated but since your power input is worn down by numerous factors it is critical to maintain or improve those points of frictional loss.
There is an additional seal on the inside.
Now all MaxHit bb’s are delivered with a center sleeve…
Frankly, I've never "worn out" a bottom bracket. I've only replaced them as I've upgraded my equipment through the years. But, I only ride in dry weather and mostly on the road (a few dirt roads).
Wow. We are a twice a year kinda place.
@@Mapdec I believe it! I've seen those dirt-encrusted mountain bikes and also riding in the rain can really wash out the grease. My engineer-brain would really love to have a BB like that, but my finance brain says "nope!" Hahaha! Really enjoy your videos, btw. :-)
I paid £25 for a XT bottom bracket.. I can't even remember how long ago.. 5-6 years?.. it's still working like new..not a chance I'm paying that kind of money for a bottom bracket without being a professional rider.
Have I just been lucky?.. I've ALWAYS bought XT and NEVER had 1 issue with them.
Any increase in bearing size is likely to help durability along with contact seals. Unlikely a modern bb and crankset would feel stiffer on a Columbus SL frame and would destroy the asthetics of a 45 year old bike. For my aluminum track bike, the move to Octalink and Issis standard caused the bearings to be made smaller. Omnium gxp is not a rational choice due to design faults. All there is would be square taper Campagnolo, Sugino or custom!
Just so everyone knows.. there is no such thing as a sealed bearing, only sort of kind of sealed..
Well, I have only replaced my Shimano XT BB once in 13 years, on an all mtb, roughly 100miles per week.
Think i'll stick to XT.
I originally thought this was something you could regrease and it would then last forever 🤔
My opinion is that something expensive is not necessary better than something with a cheaper/moderate price tag. The concept of this BB is really interesting but is it really gonna outlast a 20e ultegra/xt BB? And if it does, Is it really so hard to change a bottom bracket every 1-3 years?
And probably (in my experience) if something does happen to this super expensive BB their warranty department will tell you that you did something wrong and they will not accept the warranty. And after 10 emails of raging they will eventually accept it because of their "good will".
One more thing, how are big balls going to prevent dirt contamination and damage to the bearing? Because dirt will eventually come in there. In my country we call that "selling fog".
Big Balls sells 🤷♂️
@@Mapdec Sounds like no fannying around with big balls.
The shimano /sram ones may be cheaper but I get through loads of them . Not being great at bike mechanics I pay other people to put them in and that is the expensive bit. So fitting once and forgetting about them sounds like a good plan to me.As someone else had said I preferred to old shimano tapered for bearings they lasted years compared to the modern through axle rubbish.
Warranty Doesn’t include grit and from going in and making the bearing crunch .. cant really justify the price unless you get free replaceable bearings for life
As a bit of a hippie I would genuinely look at one of these.
I ride about 7k per year, and have to replace my cheap shimano bottom bracket bearings every year. The parts cost $aud 25, the labour vosts aud$50. ....so this may become cost effective.
Interesting concept Lifetime is usually an ambiguous statement is it your lifetime or the "Engineered" lifetime like on cars with lifetime transmission fluid apparently that mean something like 5 years. Im not going buy these and test them on the Dempster Highway in the rain because Ive been there done that I can pretty well tell you that would really test those BB cups I might just buy a set anyway.
Let us know how you get on in 6 or so years.
No sleeve? that will cause dirty axle, if steel axle it might rust. also if bike has internal routing it can damage housing and axle I guess.
Less unnecessary work the better, but exposed axle is not nice.
I’m gutted I forgot the No sleeve thing. Important for dropper post cables.
All Maxhits are delivered with a center sleeve…
Enduro has always shown a tendency to grossly overestimate their bearings.
A lifetime warranty, is not based on your lifetime but rather what the manufacturer deems to be the normal lifetime of such product. It is purposely misleading.
Life time warranty won't help if they discontinued them.
I have PraxixWorsk BB GXP replacement and replaced bearings after 7 years, old ones were perfect anyway... I got best bearings I could, propably my carbon bike will not laste longer then these bearings.
7 years 😳
Is this an upper class BB?
Sort of upper middle
Only time will tell if these are worth investing in, and the proof will be when someone tries to claim against the lifetime warranty. The wording does worry me in so much as it seems they are setting the scene whereby they can deny any claim stating it has not been maintained properly. As you say, how do you maintain it other than keeping it clean, but I'm sure they'll find a way to say that it hasn't been done to the required standard. Maybe that's just me being cynical
I think you are right to be cynical. Chris King has earned their notoriety by honouring warranties.
Nice idea, but too expensive, the seals will wear, dirt will get in it will wear then I would expect you will have to send it back for inspection and wait for them to decide if it's covered.
@markbayles7840 Exactly couldn’t put it better myself 👍. The system is only as good as the integrity of the seals. As soon as they’re breached any investigation or interference with them will put users at risk of breach of warranty. If I understood Mapdec’s quoting from the warranty correctly it sounds as though it will not cover ‘dirt contamination’ (as quoted) and that will happen as soon as the seal is breached, or cover ‘ crash …… or impact’ (as quoted) (ie: potentially a strike during the course of riding), thereby side stepping one of the key benefits upon which the product is being marketed. So all warranty choices entirely at the manufacturers sole behest on a high cost unit part.
Also BB bearings are engineered as a consumable designed to be replaced to suit riding conditions, so this product only works for me in terms of delivering if they can warranty the seals for 5 years and thus actually deliver on the other benefits promised (better performance from bigger balls, casing strength for strikes). Otherwise a contaminated bearing is a contaminated bearing and a consumable, and in this case a jolly expensive one. So in present form ……No thanks 🙄
Big Balls all about the big balls. Nice solution
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well, I have a XT BB that I put in my MTB in 1997(it's actually a square taper from about 1993), never been serviced, still in ok condition, bike still running. Hard to beat that.