Leica Q3 vs Q2 Monochrom: Choose!
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UPDATE: I'm delighted to report -- with a shout-out to viewer @carlescharles for bringing it to my attention -- that generative AI works for the Q2 Monochrom in the very latest beta!
Yes it does. I used it.
NEW UPDATE: Photoshop beta 25.1 (the very newest version I downloaded 15 minutes ago) does NOT do generative fill for monochrom files.
@@3BMEP Thanks for that update on the update. I downloaded Photoshop on my work computer but not on the laptop. I'll hold out until they "fix" the problem.If they fix it, that is.
I have the q2 color and the q2 monochrome... and the m11 mono... the other day, I went out to take photos in the street, and night fell... that's when I realized what a beautiful tool I had with me. q2 monochrome, at such a low ISO... my screen lit up with spectacular photos...
The timing of this video couldn’t be any more perfect. I was looking at Q3 just a few days ago. Thanks for this.
I love my Q2M! BTW, the object remove tool in PS is amazing. Maybe better than the generative fill option.
The shutter blackout on the Q3 is wholly unacceptable. I turned down the Q3 I pre-ordered after I discovered the blackout on their demo unit in-store. Will gladly keep my Q2 Reporter until Leica fixes that issue.
Nice video. Almost made me sad that I cancelled my Q3 order. Thanks for the last part. Awaiting your impressions of A7CR production, Nikon FZ and iPhone 15 pro main camera. The tech in all most cameras now makes choice more a matter of preference than quality. Wonderful times.
Thanks for another great video!! I think a great combo is the Q2M and the X2D :-) I love the feeling the monochrome sensor gives and the same love to the X2D gives to the colors.
I think it’s the perfect combo until Q3M releases.
Thanks for this nice video and your gorgeous pictures showed. The video helped me to count days down until my Q3 arrives. These days waiting for a new “toy” is something that triggers me even more. It’s like a child waiting for Christmas knowing it will sooner or later come.❤
Great vid cheers! Question, can you use the colour filter simulator in Nik silver efex for the monochrom files? Cheers Ken
Great shots! I've been seriously considering a monochrom something or other for my next Leica...
Thanks for your perspective.
Our pleasure. 😊
Great pictures again! Thanks to your and Claudia’s pictures, I really want to visit NY(with my Q3)
Our pleasure!
Very interesting, but I’m already saving nickels and dimes for the eventual Q3 Monochrom. That should be an absolute monster. Next year?
I think the battery anxiety is overrated. I shot all day in Istanbul two weeks ago and only needed to swap the battery after 8 hours of use. This was on a Q2 mono, so I cannot speak to the color demands.
I love my Q2M, I’m waiting for the Q3M.
In fact, in 2014, my first Leica was the 1st gen Leica M monochrom. After that I had every generation of the M monochrom with the exception of the M11 M. I had the M11, but because of nerve issues focusing was becoming difficult. So, I decided to try the Q2M, and it was what I’ve been looking for. Summilux, autofocus, macro, b&w.
I, for whatever reason, I can see the world very easily in b&w. Maybe it’s because I grew up working in b&w and learning how to print from, who Time-Life hailed as one of the great print makers of today (Roger Mertin in Time-Life The Print mid to late 70’s). I think also, because I really hate working with color in Lightroom.
But, as always, I love your videos, the information, the honest pro’s and con’s, and your photos; especially since a good amount of the images were in b&w. Great street photography.
Thanks again.
Hi there! Thank you for the video! My workflow is open de raws in LR and then finish the edit in photoshop with a tiff of the original file. Doesn´t the object remove function work this way neither? Anyway, remove an object in a b&w photo is much easy do to dont have colour and being all the textures more equal each other : )
I always feel like I have more than enough information when Hugh does a review. Thank you Hugh
My pleasure, Jack!
Great video. Many thanks Hugh! More food for thought in my dilemma of what to swap my Q2 and A7C for. Q3 or A7CR… to follow the heart or the head.
I understand. 😊
What happened next... The Q2 and A7C are going, but... are replaced by a mint SL2-S and 35mm Summicron SL that a film maker offered me for $4300. Enough money left over to add some (cheapish) M-mount llenses and a 24-70mm zoom.
I am using Q3 with excellent results both in color n b&w. Because of its outstanding ‘industrial design’, Q3 has become my all time favorite everyday camera.
This makes me want to go out and shop some B&W😊
Love these videos, by far the most entertaining and informative at the same time.
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Great photos and music !
As always, very informative and a pleasure to listen to.
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Great video. Am wondering if you did direct image comparisons between a Q3 B &W shot vs. the Q2M? I am hoping to see an SL2 monochrome at some point so I can take advantage of my SL2 lenses.
Not this time out: it was more about how we FELT. 😊🖖🏻
Could it be possible for you to shoot exactly the same thing, with both cameras (Q2M and Q3 in B&W mode), with the same settings, and share the results, to see the difference between the files ? i'm about to buy a Q but have big hesitations between the Q2M and Q3, and i can't find those type of comparison. Thank you :)
I rented a Q2M to answer two questions I had. Will I like a monochrome only camera since I love black and white? (but wasn’t sure if I loved it enough to get a monochrome only camera) And will I like the Q series of cameras?
Yes to both but I only had money for one and I didn’t want to be limited to one focal length. So I went with a slightly used M10 Monochrom for $5.3K. When I want color I have my M10 and when I want color and weather sealing I have my SL 601.
But man I still miss the Q2M not gonna lie. I may get one in the future.
glad to see occasional purposeful subject motion included in images....
Another amazing vid, thanks.
Hugh's photographic jewel arrives at the door,
but Claudia intervenes for its now hers to adore.
With a glimmer in her eye she hits the streets running,
but Hugh you have to admit, her images are beyond stunning!
I do!
I have a Q2 - love it. I was surprised as to how flexible that lens can be. I have an Sl and Sl2-s with the holy trinity of zooms and a 50 Summilux for pro work. But the Q2 comes out with me most of the time. So Hugh - are you tempted to chip in your SL2? Or will you wait for the SL3?
I’ve been grappling with that question ever since I first went hands-on with the Q3! If I can get my hands on another Q3…
Congrats H&C. I've been subscribed for a few years now but this is I think, your best work to date. Loved every second of it.
Delighted you do!
Thanks Hugh and Claudia for the beautiful photos and the great review.
Greetings from Frankfurt am Main - Andreas
Hallo Frankfurt!
im sure in time q3 M will come out and it will be better than everything that has come before that. just like the q2m
great video
I guess for the White House situation I would try to bring both my GRIII and GRIIIx. Each qualifies, they're impossible to tell apart for most, no lens change required. Image stabilization takes care of indoor lighting. If you wanna be sneaky with the GRIII you might pack the screw on wide angle lens adapter - you might get away with it.
Thank you for this.. I am fortunate enough to have a Q3 but have been gassing for a monochrom Leica... I think I am sticking w/ the Q3... and Silver Efex Pro... not the same but good enough...Maybe the Q3M ;-)
So the Leica Q series has been VERY much rattling around in my thoughts (thanks for that BTW) but I'd very much like you to do something seriously comparing the Q (maybe ask KEH for a first version) to put up against the Sony RX1RIII
I love the quality of your productions, even if as an enthusiastic amateur, I'll likely never have a Leica in my kit. Hard to justify the expense when the camera is far more capable than I ever will be. Anyway, point is, your videos keep me engaged with great editing and music selection, even if it's for something I'll likely never obtain.
Delighted that you enjoy what we do, Justin! I think the medium transcend the tool, so just continue to enjoy what you do! 😊🙏🏻🖖🏻
I said the same thing years ago and now have one in my bag and use it whenever I dont have to shoot my Nikon... never say never....
I’m a Leica shooter since 1970 , my though is why bother with all the later Leica Q2, 3 and Q Monochrom if you don’t have the money but you still can find a good first Leica Q which is perfectly fine and fantastic camera . The Leica Q even better low light in both colour and Monochrom night shot .
What focus did you use on the Q2M? I find that multifield leads to soft focus. What’s your experience?
Great review... I've had my Q2M a couple of months after it launched and i loved it then and still love it now... although i did pick up a cheap Canon R6 with a couple of lenses to scratch my color itch from time to time..i still wish i could use my Q2M to scratch that itch so i might wait for the Q3P and see how that looks 😁
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I absolutely loved shooting in DC. WH tours were closed last time we were there, but that city is magnificent, even more so in Leica Monochrome.
Last time we were there was during the previous administration’s tenure. There were temporary walls up making it impossible to SEE the White House; we saw and (spoke with) more truly whacky people than we’ve ever seen in one place; and it felt bizarre. This time, it felt like things will get better.
@@3BMEP Lol. Weird. We deliberately avoided the place during TFG’s temp squat. Went during COVID. It was so beautiful and peaceful. The restaurants were just reopening and were exceedingly welcoming. The security at all the museums were so helpful, what with the smaller crowds. And the National Archives folks were exceptional. Just a magical time.
Once again, another great video! Thank you! I am "most certainly spoiled for choice" in that I am in the unique and fortunate position of owning both the Q2M and Q3. (I know, when obsession intersects with opportunity). I love shooting, editing, and printing black and white images, but felt I was missing out by only seeing the world in stark monochrome. Here is my question for you my friend: can you make a case for keeping both? 😀 Ps: wonderful images of DC and NY!
I WOULDN’T make a case unless you had to share or intended to leave them to your children. But I can put you in touch of a fellow Streets of New York alum who can. 😎
DM me!
Would love to hear your comparison on the two for B&W images only, in particular weighing trade off between dedicated monochrom sensor one one hand versus higher resolution sensor plus color channels to manipulate OTOH. Not sure I can even go for one, but definitely not both.
The Q2M remains my favorite all time camera as I anxiously await the advent of the Q3M. Any thoughts on when that will happen? I’m tempted to do what Claudia did which would mean getting rid of my entire Sony system for a Q3, while holding onto my Q2M until the Q3M comes along, then keeping both. 🤔
@@wilfredobenitez7275 to be fair, Claudia still has access to our Sony a7R V system, though she has not used it since getting her Q3!
yeah, somehow my heart is still hanging on the Q2M, yet I swapped with Q3 and could not be happier
Best “industrial design” and outstanding image quality has made Q3 my best ever everyday camera! This is yet another wonderful video!
Where can I share with you some Q3 photos I took recently?
Instagram.😊
I appreciate your balanced viewpoint comparing the pros and cons of each model. I was critical of some comments you made on the Q3 review video, mostly around the oft-repeated "buy the lens and get the camera for free". It's a very good lens, no doubt, but it requires significant in-camera correction, as seen when you run the files through Capture One. The 28/1.4 Summilux M is a step above, however of course lacks close focus and autofocus. I am fortunate to own both lenses (yes with the camera attached to one). But I digress... I appreciate your nuanced view of both the Q3 and the Q2M. I own the latter, and was never interested in the Q or Q2. The monochrom sensor is something else, and it provided me an entry to Leica monochrom much less expensively than the M10M/M11M. Clearly "B&W mode" is gaining traction with other manufacturers, but it's not the same as this puppy. Will I get buyer's remorse when the Q3M finally hits the market? Possibly. But then I've owned the Q2M for almost 2 1/2 years already, and I'm consistently amazed by what it produces
Thanks for the rich contribution.
Thanks for answering questions I dared not ask!!
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I now have both, the Q3 and Q2M because I have two hands, one for each. Seriously, the Monochrom is an incredible tool on the street at night with high ISOs. Oh, and both are wearing JJC grips with Acra Swiss plates... I'm keeping and using both, thank you. ;-)
U have both because u are rich, not because you have two hands…
Sorry Charlie, I am not rich. I obviously have enough money to afford these cameras, but there are other things that I don't have or have little of, because I spend my money on what I value rather than on other things that others value.@@charliobrown3960
Q2M works well with Adobe Beta
Delighted to see that you are right! I'll pin a comment, with thanks!
I made the choice for a Q2 almost two years ago because I couldn’t give up Leica color…but I do have it set for basically shooting in B&W. It will be tempting to seeking out a monochrome only Q series in the future as my phone gets upgraded. The flip screen and 60MP of the Q3 are desirable. And with the next one coming out of my own wallet instead of work, I’ll look for used.
Makes sense to me! 😊
Couldn't give up Leica color but you shoot in B&W? 🤔
@@ab185 DNG, with viewfinder normally set to B&W. Gives me choices, but trying to train my eye to the B&W aesthetic.
I was lucky to get a Q3 today from an Authorized dealer in CT, I then canceled my BH-photo order, which I had been waiting for a while. Lucky me.
Enjoy!
Great work! I discovered your channel with this video.
Does the Q3 make it easy to take photos when wearing glasses?
I see that Claudia takes her photos with her left eye. That interests me. Isn't she uncomfortable by this technique?
Laurent, from France.
Welcome to the channel! This is the second query about Claudia’s glasses and/or that she is left-eye dominant. Bottom line: she is so used to shooting this way that it is a non-issue for her. I suspect that contrary to popular belief, a rangefinder style body makes more sense for left eye dominant folks than a center finder, as there is a (perhaps?) more comfortable distance between shooting hand and face. What do you think?
I love the video, because...well..you know, right. I only recently bought a Q2M. I ordered a Q3 months ago hoping to take it on an upcoming trip. Trip starts Saturday; no Q3. Sigh. Maybe. I'm pretty dedicated to the M10. I'm not a fan of doodads, I like the 3 buttons on the left (never to be moved), and tilt screens give me the heebie-jeebies. I love the rangefinder up against my eye. Ah, there's the thing. My eyes. Manual focusing keeps getting tougher. The Q2M will be in the bag for the trip. Afterward? I'll be back to checking on that backorder.
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Nice work guys! Though it’s a moot point for me, I wonder if a Q3 Mono is going to happen…
The pattern is clear, so I’d guess “yes!”
Just a personal thing of corse but all images from and in the White House look great in b&w but New York looks so much better in color I think 😊.
For convenience, I used the Q3 as my only camera on a recent trip to Tunisia, taking over 500 photos. My opinion can be summed up with “lights and shadows”. But let's go in order. 1-focus: the focus that works very well in my opinion is only the spot; out of 10 photos taken simultaneously by me with the Q3 and my wife with IPhone (11 pro), photos inside the Medina, as point and shoot, the Q3 was able to focus perfectly an average of 2, l 'iPhone at least 8. Really irritating. 2-Colors: The colors of the Q3 with the Standard profile and ISO 100 (or even 50) and the summer sun high in the sky are really very, very beautiful. 3-Objective: in my opinion the release of Q3 could have been an excellent opportunity to finally proceed with an update of the much acclaimed Summilux 28/1.7 (which someone, recklessly, claims to be a half-relative of the Summilux - M 28 /1.4). Instead, this objective is unfortunately the real Achilles' heel of Q3. Mind you, it takes good photos, but good, not extraordinary. Many on the web continually talk about the sharpness of this lens, as if sharpness were the only parameter to consider, especially if, perhaps, a little bit of the sharpness comes from the intelligence of the machine. The difference today between a good lens and an extraordinary one (Leica SL Apo 35/2 Asph., Apo 75/2 Asph.) consists in the accurate and obsessive correction of all aberrations. The Q3's Summilux is not without flaws of this type, including "old-fashioned" edge distortion (faces and objects "stretch" quite unnaturally) and a blur that I don't like at all. If you look at the photos taken with the Q3 alone they sometimes even look very beautiful (thanks also to the spectacular colors as I said, bright reds, intense blues), but if you put them, side by side, with other photos perhaps taken with the SL2 -Yes, then I think you can understand what I want to share. Naturally, with the software updates the Q3 will be able to acquire better focus and perhaps greater promptness in switching on and in general reactivity, but the limits of the Summilux, unfortunately, will remain unchanged. Thank you for your extremely enjoyable and knowledgeable videos.
Thanks for your careful comment. I think that the Q is a nice introduction to Leica- and a great profit center to the company, but the M and SL series are the real deal IMHO.
I have been waiting for a Q3 Monochrome. Is the Q3 good enough for Monochrome shooting in your opinion?
YES.
11:45 you don’t get an additional function button it’s just moved from the left side over to the top.
Love your videos! Don’t you think the Q3 images are wildly superior to my iPhone 14 Pro? I love my iPhone photos-but they are “snapshots” for the most part-and not well thought out “photographs”. 😊. I hope Santa can find a Q3 for me to put under the tree!!!
Yes. 😊
I own a Q2M. I don't use it often however when I do I have been humbled by the quality of images. So sharp and rich in contrast. In my opinion superior to converting color to b&w. Earlier this year I shot all day at White Sands Nat'l Park and had more keepers than I've had shooting non-Mono.
As for the limitation you mentioned of not having color using the Q2M, I would say try out the Photoshop Neural function to convert b&w to color. I've found it to range so-so accurate (maybe 50% to 60% accurate) to who-accurate (as much as 90% accurate). When you get to 90% it is easy to tinker with sliders and tools in Photoshop to get a little closer to where you want to be.
I miss my Q2 Monochrom. I shouldn’t have sold it.
Just came across your video and profile. Great stuff! (Wife's legally blind so she laughed at the name)
Would you say wait for an inevitable Q3 M right now?
We didn’t. 😊 But we prefer color channel information during the edit.
Q2 (color) forever!!! 😃
I can only assume the Q3M is imminent as I can’t get a Q2M in the UK anywhere, and the Leica store in Mayfair London hasn’t even answered my sales query about it (they took 20 mins to reply about the Q3!) -
Film has really reminded me that a great photo, is a great photo, all these digital cameras have been great for mannnnnny years, just go shoot 😄
I love my Q2m!
At video's end I was left thinking if you had your rathers you'd rather have another Q3, let's face it, you might purchase something more financially responsible in the meanwhile but at some stage you'll circle back to the Q3, so really you might as well go straight to it now and save the angst 😁
I immediately shared this with Claudia, because you’re right! 😎😊🖖🏻
Will there be a Q3 Monochrome? And given the specifications of the Q3, does a Q3 Monochrome even make sense?
I chose...a Canon R5.
I love my Q2M, but continue to be troubled by the software lens correction. JPEGs corrected in camera are acceptable, but RAW images, automatically corrected in Lightroom are different, not matching the JPEGs correction and somewhat distorted by comparison. Still trying to decide if I can get past it. However the Q3 does not have this problem, both in-camera corrected JPEGs and RAW through Lightroom have exactly the same lens corrections. Although the Q3’s viewfinder framing is slightly off from that of the final image. Great cameras, but I did not expect to find these issues.
The deal breaker for me is when you said the battery price.
@Three Blind Men and An Elephant .. Great video as always, but unfortunately for us users of "budget gourmet" cameras, mine being the Lumix LX7 and GF1 +15mm f1.7 Summilux (cheaper due to DJI branding) .. Hold that thought.
A shiney new Leica, colour or monochrome isn't coming my way anytime soon, even with a nicely worded letter to Santa .... Hold that thought.
Panasonic makes some great cameras. “It ain’t getting what you want. It’s wanting what you got” - enjoy!😉 🖖🏻
you can take a gr3 in there
I wonder how long it will be before the Q3 widely is available. Keep looking at the A7cr as a cheaper option 🫣 or should I just be patient 🤔 another great video Hugh. Love the BnW, but those colours in New York are just 😍
I face the same issue. I currently own a A7C as well as Leica M. At Bilt I saw that A7CR has a better viewfinder than the old model. I have the advantage of already owning some nice e mount glass so with trade in the cost is only $2K-a far cry from the cost of a Q3. Consider the fact that at 50mm the Q3 is ~20 MP and with the new Sony and a Zeiss lens you can get the full 60 MP. At 77 MP an iPhone 13-15 will handily out resolve the Leica. Yes, Leica colors, etc. Choices.
I love my Q2M and have been plagued by the thought of the Q3. But, every time I think about parting with my Q2M, I begin to sweat and shake un-controllably. Call it Monochrome anxiety syndrome! LOL................................... A Q3M though?????? Oh my.
Leica is too deep for my pockets.. Probably prefer the new Nikon Zf who also has a dedicated monochrome mode :)
Thanks Hugh - you've very kindly given me the information that will allow me to finally sleep for the first time in several months 😉
I have an original Q and a Q2M, and have been wondering whether to trade them (eventually) for a Q3.
Like many, I am still of the mind that the type 116 is still a stellar performer despite it's age, and believe I have 'mastered' the Q2M files in post - so the decision to jump to the Q3 was always seeking legitimacy as far as I was concerned.
Your appraisal of the Q3 has quelled any remaining doubts I had, and I will be packing them up to exchange as soon as Q3's become more readily available.
Cheers again Hugh!
Happy to be of service. 😉🖖🏻
I'm not sure why I watch videos like this as I can't afford either camera but one can always dream.
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What men will do to convince their wives they want to buy something. This video feels like it was done for Claudia. 😂😂 I’m waiting for the Q3M.
Claudia’s work needs to be showcased. I prefer her artistic direction. You’re more classic. She’s got her own special thing going on.
I agree her work needs to be showcased! I love her work!
Wonderful shots there. Someday I'll be able to justify a Q...
Leica Q3 is a good update for sure..
We all know that Leica has a great and deserving reputation from all these previous years ago..and gain "legendary" status among "famous" photographers" early on especially with street and documentary photographers with their M6 film cameras..etc...but in my opinion..these "modern times"..Leica has sadly become a "luxury brand"..and in some sense a "status symbol"..yes when you reach their level you can "justify" their price points but a "M6 film camera" still costing like what 5K for a Film Camera!!.C'mon their is something wrong with that..haha Yes..its German made, quality, design..etc..we all get that and what they are producing..but in all honestly its obviously not an "everyman/persons' camera..Is Leica "afraid" of losing their "status"..so thats why they don't price their cameras within a reasonable and comparable price point as like Canons, Sony's top of the line model?..It would be awesome if everyone got a chance to expereince a "Leica Cameras"..at a reasonable price and be able to grab them any time like the other camera brands..yes we all pay a price point to get the "latest techs and specs" on our camera's..but you can't tell me a Leica's specs..AF, color rendering, low light, processors, sensors etc..is "worth more" than the next brands hardware and software? German "design" are worth more than "Japanese" ones?..haha ..they get some of their sensors from other brands..and yet they put their camera at a higher price point...haha Leica digital cameras should never be around 10K+..only cameras that justify those prices are like a Hasselblad medium format stuff, Phase One and other cameras like that where its reasonable and practical for high end studio and commercial photography etc..hence they cost more because of their intended purpose ..but not a "regular" mirrorless camera.. Leica at the end of the day seems to have gotten over rated for what they are now..
It depends entirely upon what one rates. 😊🖖🏻
@@3BMEP Yes thats true..but I am talking about as a "brand"..not what consumers "rate".....what makes Leica think they are "worth more than any other brand" in them "justifying"..their price points? within the camera segment and the models they produce?.
@@ldmndz4652 I look at it this way: I don’t begrudge Leica the pricing they need to compensate their employees well and maintain stewardship not just of a legendary brand, but a legendary company which understood the moral bankruptcy of fascism in its own country and worked quietly to rise above it with a moral clarity and courage most companies today cannot imagine, irrespective of the country they call home. I also believe that the last 20% of maximum lens performance is (like the last 20% of most things) wildly more expensive than the first 80%. But that’s just me.
@@3BMEP What are your thoughts on that NIKON ZF..very interesting camera and possibly a hit for Nikon..
@@ldmndz4652 TBD.
Nikon Zf with Z 28mm f2.8 for about US$2,400 might be a fun option.
(Yes, I understand the lenses are not in the same league)
Could be. Would like to go hands-on with one, though I don’t know when that might happen.😊🖖🏻
The Zf might play nicely with a Summicron.
Claudia won this round!
Maybe it's just my taste but I think the Q2 images look more "real" and the Q3 look a bit hyped.
Subjectivity is the key to art appreciation.
@@3BMEP Absolutely.
Looking at posted images on websites, e.g. LUF, I share that opinion. Others users disagree, claiming its varying post processing, but I see over-contrasty images consistently with the Q3 compared to the more natural Q2 images.
You are so ...
Your dramatic dialogue drives everyone crazy, hence the low viewers.
Love Hugh’s delivery !! He has character - carry on Hugh!!
The usual propaganda bullshit on an injustifiably costly & unpractical camera!