The feature that will DESTROY Classic WoW - Automated Right Click Reporting
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2024
- Auto bans and right click reporting will destroy classic WoW if not changed. I explain why in this video. This video is commentary.
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Blizzard can't have anyone review the reports because they fired them all.
Classic wow is built to make you despise the opposite faction. When looking at the leveling process and how some of the best xp/hr zones are specifically structured to have masses of both horde and Ally be in the same spot, you can tell that the game is structured to incorporate the feeling of having an "enemy." Later in the game this sort of structure can again be found when contesting un'guro, hanging around dire maul, or even during the silithus war efforts patch. Having right click report will give players an easy yet scummy solution to their troubles and as we all know, people tend to take the easy way out rather than confront their struggles. Mass report issues will absolutely occur
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"Later in the game this sort of structure can again be found when contesting un'guro" spoken like a true private server player LULW
"Oh theres a guy rushing world first 60 and im second in line ? why not report it and get first place since activision allows me to be a bitch" ? " Oh that streamer right there ? I don't like him he doesn't notice me, let's report ban him too !" and the list goes on and on...
And it'll remove the aspect of one's reputation on a specific server - if i don't like you, i ignore but not decide what you'll do with your account, i don't give a shit, people will know about misbehaviour on a server. Me and my friends still reminding us of an lvl 85 dk with full spirit sockets in all his lfg gear, like these were the meme's of 2014...
To say it in simple words: Every software based attempt to solve social problems over the years in retail WOW in order to make the game more accessible are a threat to Classic WOW. This is something quite deep to understand for gamers and Blizzard as well and gets us back in the discussion of the early days of free software , where one claim was: You can solve social problems with software. Thats paradigm is clearly wrong due to the fact that solving social problems with software just shift the problem somewhere else and doesn't fix the lack of social skill the game and gamers still need to be a succsessfull in it. That means actually retail WOW is mainly not failing due to apparent factors like content, gameplay or lore (whats is more a question of taste IMHO), but far more to the fact that the game is desocialized by software that tries to solve social problems, like lack of communications skills, commitment of teamwork and be a reliable gamebuddy. THATS actually a huge revelation. That means Blizzard will never change its retail policy, because that paradigm is crucial for raising the profit margins due to the fact software based solutions can be scaled by far more and quicker than anything based on social interaction. They just cant. Thats totally against main believes and rules in the business nowadays, especially when you want to go mobile, whats considered to be the future of the industry. So the community has to be aware that going back to the roots will be considered by Blizzard to forfeit the future of the company.
Any automatic system will be abused.
In addition, this is probably driven by beancounters at Activision to reduce personnel costs. Human intervention is needed, but that's too injurious to the bonuses of Activision execs. Because actual thinking humans cost money Activision is unwilling to spend.
@@garyfrazier5414 you know what? They'd rather change their entire "Philosophy and outlook on world" than spend some money on human admins. Same thing happened in LoL. At start when scummy online tards attacked you, you could fight back and never fear reprecussion as when human admin checked logs he saw what's going on. But then they changed their ways to "context doesn't matter if you write bad words we ban you" and ofc it coincided with automated ban system. Since then LoL started it's downfall, same is going to be with classic WoW, if they introduce unfair automated systems that are going to be abused by little mean tards at the expense of normal playing this game will also fail. Lately R6 siege introduced autoban for chat and backlash was so severe they basically turned that shit off.
Great video. It's scary how badly it's already being abused in retail... it would be terrible. People will be reporting other guilds tanks, healers in PVP, or just someone they want to pick on. This needs to be removed.
@Ray Heller When Blizzard implements a "feature" that is antithetical to Classic WoW's community, then #$&% straight we're going to complain.
@@rayheller9747 Haha you fucking moron. They hired a team out of house. No resources have been taken from BfA. Your game is shit because of its own design. Not because of any resources being stolen.
@@lobsterminion693 Do you also complain about the uploader of this video, who abused the system in exactly the same way? streamable.com/4vtik
@Zecksy A few facts to consider:
1. We are against auto-squelch, not reporting in general.
2. Auto-squelch was non-functional in the demo, at least according to others who tested it.
3. Griefing from same-faction players is against CoC, and therefore reportable. Whether the druid was griefing is up to Blizzard to decide.
Simply reporting someone isn't abusing the system. If Blizzard decides that the reported player is innocent, then nothing happens. However, with auto-squelch, even if the reported player is innocent, they will still be silenced for a potentially significant length of time. I, and probably the vast majority of people who oppose right-click reports, am in favor of a reporting system that does not auto-squelch.
"Their" game is solely being developed for their customers. We complain now so that maybe, just maybe, Blizzard will see that there is a demand for the removal of features that have no place in Classic. Sure, Blizzard can ignore our complaints, but my final complaint will involve cancelling my subscription.
Right click reporting has the potential make PvP ranking an absolute nightmare. Being kicked offline for even a few hours could ruin weeks/months of hard work. Not to mention this being abused to grief Scarab Lord attempters, or even just tanks/guild leaders in a server 1st race or World Boss fight.
Scarab Lord = BC LULW
you'll never be banned like people in arenas or rbgs. the only reason they get banned is because of the busted wintrading system and how it correlates with reports. Simply getting reported in the world will result in mutes. i wish this tips guy realized this when making the video
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Server launches, two hardcore guilds race to 60, they both race to Ragnaros, first guild is about to start raiding, second guild bans their MT. ggwp worldfirst
@@rayheller9747 Do you have a life outside of this stupid questions/comments your typing to everyone? Serious question.
I don't even see why this is a thing in retail, they could probably have 3 guys go through all the tickets considering how few people play the game now.
such a dead game that other mmos wish they had the sub numbers of amirite fellow classic gentlemen :>
I recently talked to a GM about this after getting a false ban. They don't have enough customer service to monitor the "hundreds of millions of reports they get every week."
bumple dicken Other mmos wish they had subs at all. WoW just has a bunch of die hards who are too invested in their account (literal years) to abandon it, and they still manage to shed more and more subs every year.
@@sephrinx4958 well then they should either hire more, and spend more, or make some computer algorithm that can decide if that player deserves the ban or not. And the second one is pretty much impossible to do for a game like this.
@@jansteyaert1 yep. They should, but they won't. Because it would affect their profit margins
Getting banned for 30 days by a hateful opposing Premade PvP team in Classic while YOU ARE GRINDING for High Warlord / Grand Marshal would be DISASTROUS for the banned player. And super UNFAIR. I really hope this will not be allowed...
just need to get rid of the auto bans. and a simple phone call of an abusive ban will result in an investigation by the GM's who can and have banned the reporter for said amount of time.
The premade group I rolled with in vanilla was on pretty good terms with one of the Alliance premade teams but not the other. It was kinda funny, there were two primary pvp teams on each faction, and 1 was generally liked and the other were a bunch of asshats. In the Horde's case the asshat team was led by a guy who thought he was amazing, but really had to play 2 or 3 times as much to make the same amount of progress. The Alliance asshats weren't bad, they were just overly elitist and not significantly better than the other Alliance squad. Actually, we were all kind of assholes, but I like to think we were the fun assholes.
@@orangelocked where was the point of ur comment
All's fair in pvp baby...…….
Exactly what happened to me. Banned for 8 days which costs me nearly a month of work. I imagine if I continued to try ranking the same thing would happen and it'd be 30 days next time.
It’s automatic bans now because there aren’t enough employees at Blizzard to deal with customer service such as investigating reports.
You're in the server first run and a another guild is competing with you? Just mass report their main tank.
Nah, just mass report all of 'em!
Because i'm sure that will work flawlessly. Why? Because people say so. That's easy.
Don't forget the healer that is forced to make potions for the entire raid group while everyone else can have a life before the scheduled raid.
I never was this person, but it pissed me off, seriously everyone else can make alt characters and help out.
Twiiidy wow that means wow it’s a stupid broken ass of a game
Sounds like a great way to get your entire guild perma-banned.
When they introduced it to HoTS, everyone was like "pff don't be toxic then it's easy!".
Then all the veterans and good players / players that want to talk got banned or left due to a simple 'you disagree with me / pointed something out? (right-click-report)'
Leaving just the silent, not-willing-to-improve, not-willing-to-communicate 'extremely casual' players...
... Which killed their game.
Now they have to shut it down and cut funding.
People warned them before, people nay-sayed it, look what happened. Don't make a repeat.
Why does WoW have an option to report people for swearing and also have a swearing filter enabled by default? You can’t disable the filter and then get mad at someone for swearing, that is ridiculous.
there is a filter but the filter doesnt always catch everything. The filter is for kids and people who dont like to see the obvious cussing. The option to report is because cussing is against the rules and bannable. Also the filter doesnt catch a lot of cuss words in names.
Also easy reporting isn't needed in classic. With strong server communities, you will be known as a rude player with bad manners if you act like one. You wont get into groups if you're known as a toxic ninjalooter etc.
If you gank lowbies, you will get counterganked by their allies soon enough. You will be known by name and killed on sight. The opposing faction will make groups for hunting you down.
That's far better than "let's all just mass report him for something"
reporting is anonymous , good luck finding the invi rouge group that mass reported you
World of Reportcraft
World of Warreport.
Never put the power of making these kinds of decisions in the players hands.
League of Legends tried this with the tribunal and they found that players would often review cases where someone was reported and because they were funny, or perceived to be better at the game than the rest of the group they were not punished. Meanwhile players that really did not have a reason to be reported other than not doing well in the game were often banned as a result. They have since taken away the tribunal and replaced it with only a marginally better system but it shows players ban others sometimes based solely on a whim and it can ruin the gaming experience.
I've never asked for a video to be shared, but I ask that you share this one. Not for me, but for the sake of Classic. I cannot overstate this issue enough.
Like it matters, without classic you have no content so you'll play it whether it has reporting, sharding & loot trading or not because you are doomed without it
@@Widowmakerdamien And your content is critiquing him and mine is critiquing you.
@@joshba1 what lol
@Widowmakerdamien Does it matter if I pee in your food? You’ll eat it sooner or later anyway.
@Clark Kent well I'll pee on shjfksgahbalz (or whatever his name). Oh where you going to eat him? Well you'll have to eat him eventually.
It happens in every Blizzard's game. Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm and now in World of Warcraft. I just gave up on Blizzard's games just because of their terrible report system in all of their games.
weird, i played al of them, maybe i'm just not an asshole that needs muting?
@@Shakzor1 nope u just noname nobody cares about(
@@29rogans7 and i take it you're an extremely well known, important person?
You guys make it sound as if everyone will just get muted/banned left and right without justification.
I've yet to see ANY cases in ANY game were these bans/mutes were actually false.
This system is in place since the Black Temple patch, it's nothing new and somehow has not been abused for over 10 years.
Yes, people can just get muted by random people, but that mute will be lifted after an hour when the GM sees "no, those were just trolls" and the system probably flags the reporters accounts as "reports mean nothing from those" to prevent further actions.
We aren't at release but between loot, right click report, 7.3.5 client /w higher than classic settings options and most importantly sharding, yes i know they are all small but thats exactly what we allowed to happen to wow in the first place- I really really wanted to play classic in the most dead accurate form. This only adds to the list but in all honesty we knew we could abuse it in retail. ive seen it happen on my homeserver Emerald Dream US which was RPPVP, with namechange flags because 'your name ruins immersion' when in reality its a group of trolls misusing the system.
Its already a problem in live, its going to be the same in classic.
I was literally typing out my name change experience when I read this. Has happened to me, and will happen to more! Shouldn't be in classic!!
Dead accurate Classic was brainded grind, one button raiding and account share for major stuff like rank14, Scarab Lord and so on...dead accurate Classic was a trash game
I don't understand people who bitch about the 7.3.5 client. There isn't an alternative. Without this backport, we wouldn't get classic. Period. They finally figure out a way to give us the game and people are upset by the foundation of the client?
wow people still talk about sharding months after it was revealed to be a big old nothing burger? how uninformed can a person be???
If it wasnt in vanilla back in 2004-2006, DO NOT ADD IT. You want people to play your game?.. then give us what we want or else your going to be wasting your time and money on something that the classic community WILL NOT play.. PERIOD!
@@rayheller9747 Yea coz priv servers with 0 advertising and most people not wanting to play illegally haven´t been going strong for like 10 years. Stfu
@@rayheller9747 if they make it vanilla, there will be alot of people playing it.. you have no idea dude. Just go back to playing your bfa bubble of hot heaping garbage of a so-called game.
@@rayheller9747 omg dude.. you seriously dont know what your talking about. I play on three(3) private servers and all of them been talking about the classic hype since classic was announced. Keep telling yourself that no one wants to play with zero facts to back it up. It kinda sounds like your a little scared classic will be better than retail.. I dont blame you.. bfa is absolute TRASH!
@@rayheller9747 Dude, you´re wrong. People play private servers because they enjoy the fuck out of them. Playing wow is not that expensive for gods sakes xD If it was like 50 euros a month I´d understand that argument but fucking NO ONE that would rather be playing retail is playing a private server just because it´s free. That´s a silly argument.
I wouldn't mind them adding the ingame voice and some of the other social features that don't impact gameplay. So long as they don't put automated groupfinder in, I would be okay with a manual group finder so you don't have to just sit in a capital and spam lfg. The early form of group finder was alright, you flag yourself for 3 dungeons/quests/whatever then go about questing or farming or whatever and you don't have to sit in the city spamming chat, and it still gives people control over who they bring with them to dungeons.
This is the defining evidence that shows that WOW is no longer an MMO, but a shared space single player game.
Title : "That will"
Actual video : "That could"
Actual video : "Alot of these people are being hyperbolic"
Title of this video "The feature that will DESTROY (make sure to capitalize for maximum clicks and ad revenue) Classic WoW"
Hmmm....
Loot share and sharding has killed it already, this just adds fuel to the fire tbh...
This is the exact reason that League of Legends is unplayable nowadays, too.
while i agree league of legends report system has its issues, By no means is it as bad as Right click reporting in Wow. This is coming from someone who was banned for breaking the Spam cap in a game during season 5. I wrote over like 150 lines of text or something but did not Verbally abuse anyone in it but I still got chat banned, Example (Go to) ( Baron) (Clear) ( Wards) (turn) ( If) (they) (Come). . Its actually quite difficult To Get a two week ban or perma on League, you actually have to tell people to Kill themselves or Be Racist.
@@Zealish707 You really don't need to be a racist or tell people to kill themselves to get banned in League lmfao.
@@Jvstm deadass just got 14day ban on league cuz every1 is a sensitive nancy, u tell some1 u suck cuz u died after I pinged it u get banned, I've never said racist shit or told people to go off themselves and still got ban. They don't even go over the reports it's automated sucky ass system
Its all based on a list of keywords. Stay away from those words and you'll never get in trouble. This is coming from someone who used to be incredibly toxic. The games mot unplayable you're just not smart about your flame.
Right on
Back on my first server in real vanilla, the horde guilds all hated each other, and right before the mc raid, guild officers, main tanks, and healers would have a GM whisper them, and then kicked offline. It was pretty shitty, but at least that involved a GM. This shit is gonna be a mess with it being automated.
When I was playing vanilla, if I wanted to report someone I had to talk to a GM or they contacted me out to investigate the issue. Which meant a lot to me because for one, the issue was dealt with in a proper professional manner. Two, it was a direct result of where my subscription money was going. I rarely reported people, but if I did, it was for actual abuse within the game or of the game itself. Sometimes I even resolved the issue with the person myself by just asking or talking to them, that's how much of a community vanilla WoW meant.
You forgot to mention Blizzard doesnt like customers anymore.
Hasn't Blizzard stated that falsely reporting someone is a very severe and bannable offense? Getting banned in Classic is a huge risk, you can't just buy a new account and be back on track within a week like you can on retail, you'll lose months of work.
@mdx - Partially true. While it's true that you could call in and get a reversal, the false reports still put you out that much time. It _also_ will interfere with time-sensitive issues, which no amount of reversion can really help with. Also, there's no reason to get oddly belligerent about it.
@mdx riiight riiight why don't you go ahead and look for a phone number that works nowadays. This happened to me a couple times and I quit after. My only means of communication was a ticket. I sent 3. For every time that it happened, explaining what was going on, clearly didn't do anything wrong besides say "you guys suck lmao" in bgs. They didn't give one shit and stuck to it's terms. It's so SJW it's just another thing ruining the game. Don't plan on playing wow ever again ...... Leave the SJW control and politics out of the fucking game terms and conditions. Really. We're playing a competitive game, people suck, you say they suck, then boom. Muted, or banned. And every time u are banned /muted it multiplies the consequence x2. Fucking pathetic .... Blizzard is done for
@mdx You making it sound way more easier then it is. Its a huge head ache going threw that process.
@@no0bbbb Isn't it just precious how people are labelled as SJWs now because they can't handle someone telling a large group of people they suck. Let me, someone who might actually pass as an actual "SJW", tell you that that is quite a laughable notion. When I report people, it's for stuff like racial slurs, or the pejorative use of such terminology (like any good "SJW" would, right?), not silly banter. You know what the funny part is? I don't think I've ever reported someone in WoW. In comparison to some other places (e.g. World of Tanks), it seems to be quite well behaved. Yes, I know, right?
@mdx yea coz i play games to get entangled with screeching tards, get ban unjustly and then calling blizzard help to prove my innocence
The problem is the automation.
Right click ignore is just fine (and much needed in classic to alleviate the inevitable gold selling whisper spammers), as is right click reporting bots, as is potentially right click reporting anything, so long as it's reviewed by a human game master before any action is taken.
What I don't get is why don't they have far more game masters? They don't even have to be employees, just trusted players, members of the community as it were. I'd do it for a free sub and the occasional swag. And I wouldn't want full game master powers - that would ruin the game for me. (Unless it was my real job, and playing the game would still be ruined.)
Just some limited silence and kick / forced hearth type powers, perhaps a small allotment of very limited bans. Then each real game master would mostly just review his minion's decisions. That way you've always got real people to see through any scams, and a whole lot more of them. Gold selling was very bad for WoW, and in game gold schilling should result in an instant perma-ban. Yet nothing was done about it in Wrath, it was rampant. (I suspect they let it go on purpose to pave the way for selling it themselves.)
A lot of this stuff seems to me to have easy answers.
Would be fairly easier to implement an exponential back-off on the "effect" that a report would have on a player. As soon as you report a player, all reports are "muted" (recorded though for post analisys), but would have no automatic effect for say 30 seconds, then effect back, with double the effect, silenced for two minutes, then 4 minutes, people would have to spend 15 minutes to get you disconnected. this would most definatelly prevent this issue.
2004 = no PC culture. Great times.
2019 = ....FEELINGS.. REEEEEEEEE
What else could you expect this day in age
I can't wait to get banned for not respecting a night elf's pronouns!
The future is here and I want to go back. :(
That’s why I’m voting for Trump 2020
I have said this since day 1. Reporting is not even used out of being offended over a word 95% of the time. They use it as revenge. Its that simple. If the word offended them, they would block the person. Slowly their block list would fill, and they would be happy in their isolation. When you report, its because you want that person to be punished. Lets be honest. It is mostly leftists who report over this type of thing. I hate to bring politics into this but its true. Leftists are very very hopped up on politics (see the woman screaming when Trump won). When someone uses gay as a casual insult or to describe something, they see it as their political enemy, and once again want them punished. In reality the guy using gay as an insult is prob just some pothead who wanted Bernie sanders or something. They are vicious, nasty, and no fun. I would love to sit here and say "its not all leftists" but as of late, I think it really is all of them. The people who describe themselves as leftist liberal but would stick up for this, would typically be outcast by most modern leftists. Sorry to those few. To those of you are leftists reading this, make sure you dilate your inverted dick pussy before Classic launches you fucking sick whackjobs FUCK YOU.
@@c0rpse1 the report design is 100% designed as a revenge tool for smug leftists
ginito this guy here is what is wrong with America.
Trump/Hillary are pro war and fracking, are against healthcare, high incomes, tuition free college, green energy, non outsourcing trading, infrastructure bill, big money out of politics, reducing drug prices to stop opioid crisis, both weak on immigration and both anti-establishment clause.
but all of that horrible shit is okay with you. Your main gripe and battle in America is that someone... ...was...politically.... correct...... on ....a ...video game........................
i mean or they could leave right click reporting in and change punishments, log who are doing reports and for what reasons and if they are abusing it then give punishments for it
cross faction reporting shouldnt be a thing in the first place
Yeah, I don't see why people are freaking out about this. The right click report will be handy when the chat is full of gold sellers (95% sure they will be in Classic) and the solution to make it non-abusable isn't complicated.
@@LeCharles07 I would rather gold farmers spamming trade chat over people being falsely banned.
@@MaryJane-wk1ni Just make like a 3-day or a week-long buffer between reports and the punishment so you don´t have any incentive to report people on a whim for tagging your mobs since it´d take 3 days to have effect, and to give Blizz time to sort out which ones are bullshit, and then add punishments for false reports. Problem solved.
@@MrRazmut That is a good idea. If people report let them know. "this could take upwards of several days to take effect" and hire a team to slowly weed through it. Another way to get around it would be to make it almost like a voting. As more people report that one player. It is bumped up to the top of the list. Because that means either someone is being bullied. Or someone really does need the banhammer.
@@MaryJane-wk1ni - Yeah, the # of reports should correlate more to the "urgency" in queue. It shouldn't be a threshold to just suddenly be autoban.
Alternate solution: Based on an RNG roll, occasionally invert the report, and get the reporting mob banned instead of their victim. With a bit of AI, the back end could automatically dial the threshold (say, 30% of the time, the reporters get banned instead). The AI could take into account whether the reported party said anything recently, of if it happens in an RBG, etc, etc. I think there is already some AI to figure out what the action should be (ban or just silence). Basically, auto-learn if the report was malicious or justified.
I'm a level 16 warr in red ridge see's a 60 undead rogue. Right click.
That's scary... ALMOST as scary as the YT copy right strike system... Almost...
What about the whole you can claim another person's video simply by saying it's yours without any actual claim on the video thing?
Blizzard please listen to this man he knows what he is talking about.
Ask blizzard to add in a manual review. If it found that a group abused the feature they get the punishment that the victim got. That would put a quick end to abusers because now suddenly your whole guild/raid can get banned for a false report.
I sadly agree. If blizz wants to ruin classic wow this is the way to do it
There should be an option to report SJWs
Reason for report?
Griefing ( )
Offensive Language ( )
Bot ( )
SJW (x)
...why? Who even are those people?
@@unlimitedpower978 They're the people ruining the gaming industry, man. Not to mention the country
There should be an option to report emasculated pussies who feel threatened by SJWs
Too bad the reporters dont get some type of ranking system attached to their account based off of all of their previous reports. Almost like a 'credit report', no pun intended lol.
there was an addon for this...think it was called blacklist. Worked in vanilla wow because we had community and the obvious asshats were well known...the less known got caught up in the addons report feature.
Love that orc warrior xmog- mind sharing what it is?
Its also possible they could turn this on its head and simply look for frivolous reporting patterns, and instead drop the ban hammer on groups trying to pull shenanigans by mass reporting the opposite faction's tanks, like people are mentioning. That would be some sweet justice served up cold.
was u inspired by Alexensual video? same examples, same footages
coincidence or inevitability?))
All I know about that guy is that he lost to a level 17 hunter as 25 Druid. So all of his opinions are discarded.
@@Themadhorse I've killed much higher levels as a lowbie hunter. If you know how to kite, it's extremely easy to beat any kind of melee.
Shut up u fn nerd.
I think what tips says makes sense. I cant even imagine how much shit would be going on with this system in classic. I'm not that worried actually, because Blizzard just cant be that stupid, if they see how classic will be unplayable with this, they will change it to sth less abusable.
It will be too late. They usually react after like 1 year. By that time, Classic would lose 90% of the player base because loot trading, right click reporting and other "minor" stuff.
@@iuliananitulesei9444 I really hope there will be no loot trading. It´s gonna be such fucking bullshit grouping up with 3 people who know each other and then every one of them rolls for every item that one of them needs. Fuck that. I´d be ok with not being able to roll need on stuff that isn´t for your class like a mage can´t need leather gear, I´d prefer that not to be there either but that would be fine. Loot trading though? Fucking hell that would ruin looting in dungeons.
Back in the day when doing something monotonous you could get a whisper from a GM checking on you if you are botting or something. Nowadays it's just algorithms because it is cheaper. It doesn't even have to be obvious blizzard personnel. My friend told me a story a while ago how he was fishing for several hours (4-5 or so) at the same spot in the middle of the night during the LK expansion, he wasn't in the guild, there were no-one around as he fished at that same spot and suddenly he got a whisper from some random guy he never heard of before who asked him something random like "Where can you buy a mount?" or something like that and once my friend answered them they never replied back.
But sadly activision are cutting down on costs so much the custommer support has been suffering for years now. It's like how Valve's Steam has a dozen or so customer support people to watch over millions of users.
I have been in three different epic battlegrounds where the enemy team was mass-reporting everyone on our team for AFK. I filed tickets with blizzard and never got any response. The entire game (until I got booted for AFK) was just one long chat filled with "Player X has left the battleground. Player Y has joined."
As a very salty person, i will most likely report anyone who pisses me off by the slightest so i hope that this feature gets removed as it will make me a worse person.
Or maybe don't be an asshole?
@@beamohawk At least he's being honest for all of the shit heads out there. Maybe just remove the feature.
I guess I can see how people with impulse control issues can be a reason as to why we can't have some of the nice things we could otherwise.
ur just pathetic
i like that your are so honest to yourself =)
All of that reporting crap crept into the game because of sharding, lfg, and the choices they made that caused the general destruction of what the original server's communities were. In the original game, the players policed themselves, as you had an ignore button and no automatic grouping. Keep a list of the jerks, and don't group with them. Pretty much took care of itself. Why would they implement auto policing if they are not going to implement auto grouping? Seems kinda silly.
agreed...but then they have the same issues of server inbalances that led to the LFG etc. they just need to fix the auto bans will real consequences for abusers
I remember vanilla being rather self-sufficient in regards to dealing with trolls, ninja's, toxic people, etc. Without the need for features like this. A server was sort of self governing that way. Which, in turns made you feel like a true part of the community. And cheaters took that little extra effort on behalf of players by making a ticket, forcing a GM to check out the validity.
where do you get this info?
Man, when I saw the title I was like "not again with alexensual and his conceited/one way/"I'm right, you're not", view of the game. But then I saw it was you and I watched the video and I have to say you're right, I had the same thought not so long ago. Hopefully with the emergence of youtubers like you, alive, ohgee and others, blizzard will see this and rethink it. Thank you all
Seems like blizzard should ban players who abuse this system. You think people would risk getting their level 60 banned just to temporarily disconnect someone?
Behavior
Behavior that intentionally detracts from others' enjoyment (such as griefing, throwing, feeding, etc.) is unacceptable. We expect our players to treat each other with respect and promote an enjoyable environment. Acceptable behavior is determined by player reports and Blizzard's decision, and violating these guidelines will result in account and gameplay restrictions.
While we encourage you to report players that are behaving in a disrespectful manner, falsely reporting another player with the sole intent of restricting their gameplay is also unacceptable and will result in penalties to your account.
If you're unsure if your actions violate this code of conduct, reconsider them. We reserve the right to restrict offending accounts as much as necessary to keep Blizzard games a fun experience for all players.
Straight from their Code of Conduct for all Games!
They do punish people who fasly report, why my cousin did it as a joke constantly to players he wrecked in PVP, he ended up with a 1 year suspension so he quit. He got what he deserved even after I told him to knock it off.
So the solution to potential abuse of the authoritarian banning system is to have another banning system to ban people who abuse the banning system?
Sounds like a stazi operatives wet dream. When did we decide we should structure our world based on templates from the wrong side of the iron curtain? The fuck is this shit?
I think adding major consequences for abuse would fix the right click reporting in classic and retail without having to change the way it works at all. The real problem is people abusing a good system, so put out a big PSA and warn reporters, and then punish abusers very harshly, false report=temporary ban. less false reports also means less appeals for blizz to have to evaluate personally, because evaluating every report would be fiscally impossible.
I'm looking forward to having the support of the faction community I choose to belong to in Classic because I'm tired of being such an isolated player these days in Retail, even with an active guild and weekly raiding/mythic+. If something like this happened outside of my control, it would be soul crushing to lose my immensely entertaining and fulfilling experience because a random group of anonymous people can be bullies online. Blizzard please reconsider this feature for Classic at least but overall as well. There are better ways to handle this behaviour. Give us more options to promote others, not just rat out the bad seeds. Provide constructive resolutions please.
Wait, why is this video getting down votes? Everything he says makes perfect sense. The outcomes of abusing it in Classic are game ruining as he states, the reasons are obvious. Am I missing something here, or are snowflakes just getting triggered?
Some of them may be snowflakes, but in the video Tips says "Could" kill classic WoW and in the title he says "Will" kill classic WoW. I agree with the former not with the latter. Reporting might be insignificant, it might not. If it gets abused, and it becomes likely it will damage the experience, it probably would be adjusted. And if you are a douche troll reporting everyone unjustly, good luck getting a group. An entire guild of trolls, come on, that is getting a bit out there.
We have to accept that we cant insist of a GM run system. If it is a reporting system or no classic, I still want classic.
@@joaomanini ironic how? Also by yesterday do you mean 3 hours before? Doesn't really matter though. It is a message that needs to get out, copy or not. The message is what matters most
@@joaomanini lol ok since when does Tips not like Alex? When did he say this?
@@joaomanini if you're talking about Alexensual, that guy is slow in the head. Years ago, when Elysium first launched, I told him that the entire server was a scam. I gave him screenshots of their core, of geared 60s with items that were not even in the game, of GMs adding gold to players. It took him four months to realize that everything I said was truth. In the end, he turned from a "pure vanilla server" advocate into a lunatic. And that's when I stopped following him too. So yeah, I can't really blame Tips for disliking him.
@@joaomanini I have no idea what their relationship is like. I have yet to see a vid where tips even mentions him
Blizzard shills out in force downvoting this. Good to see you got your manhood back Tips. It's like Coach Klein in The Waterboy. Very proud of you. Now if we can just get Esfand to get his manhood back and start questioning all the BS from Activision? Maybe Classic won't be a complete sh@%show. BTW anyone who actually questioned Blizzard legitimately has pretty much been banned off the official forums and the Classic reddit is a clownshow of Activision astroturfing and upvotes memes that drown-out any real discussion. So good luck. I was perma banned off the forums simply for sticking up for Gummy52 by their lying POS community manager, when I had an account active since Vanilla.I will never support Activision again, but again, good luck man. If Activision f's this up? Guess I will see you on Nostalrius 2 with boss values that are correct. I don't even think Blizzard is going to give you guys a BETA sadly. Servers are probably as bad on Classic as on modern WoW. AKA world boss fights won't even work. If they don't give you a BETA call them out. We know the reason. It's not hard to figure out.
Thanks again for a solid video, and thank you for not using clickbaiting titles and thumbnails on your content. You are truly a man of integrity.
I remember when right-click reporting originally came out. It was absolutely horrible for many months immediately following this change. It should not be included in Classic, period. It was one of the marked beginnings of the end.
#FreeSavix
Jesus... server sharding and now this.. I'm losing hope.. shit might as well get rid of pvp servers
there are no pvp servers...?
I'm sure there will be. I just said it might as well get rid of it because how friendly they are seeming on making classic wow and how much they are changing classic.. its straying more away from what makes classic classic.
Sharding will only be on classic for like the first couple of months
plus half the company just got fired, i don't even know if Classic will even launch in this state
Not only that, what if you as a healer join a 4 person premade of kiddos on Discord for a run through DM. What if you're doing a great job healing but the tank keeps pulling too much and wipes the group. The tank starts lamenting you in Discord with his friends but you dont know and suddenly you D/C.
Tank lied and threw you under the bus to his friends and everyone mass reported you.
Or what if they dont want to tell you to leave halfway thru because their healer friend came online and they want to replace you. So instead they just ghost report you out and replace you.
There's a million ways that this is bad for Classic.
I seem to remember something about them banning false reporters after reviewing the ticket
Tips, I watched the Warcraft movie again the other day and I realized you look like Khadgar!!!
Remember to drink milk for strong bones.
wrong. czcams.com/video/rxnBDDqXSjk/video.html
I tested this automated system out in Durotar on live servers, I had everyone outside report me for "abusive language" when I said nothing abusive and I got an auto suspension. It's completely broken and WILL ruin the fun of barrens chat.
Woah... I did not know that the reporting feature was that quick to pull the trigger based on reporting. In Classic people will report others for not knowing content or slowing them down rather than teach or communicate. I can see it now.
Am.. Am I the only one noticing the root of the problem being Blizzard's laziness and unwillingness to provide redundancy in jobs? By slimming down tasks, they don't need as much staff. With less staff, the more money ends up as pure profit. This is the root of it all.
sums up all big business
Capitalism. Automation.
@@HansK1989 Just because it's normal, it doesn't mean it should be passively accepted. Fight it when you can, where you can. Small things can create an avalanche eventually.
you claim they have fewer employees to handle complaints...please show some evidence of this
@@jamesw71 You clearly don't understand supposition and observation. But if you want something tangible DESPITE HOW I PHRASED IT, then have a go at czcams.com/video/HxEsQGMHDDQ/video.html
But like I said, the stuff you went SJW against was phrased as supposition. Which nullifies your post entirely. But yeah, have fun. Go and google what it means.
TBH. vanilla wow was not vanilla wow, but a extended beta. vanilla wow did not start till TBC. For as far as right-click reporting for classic goes, it could work if they remove the automation part of it. Since reported players are suppose to be looked into by a "person" to see if there was a offense in the first place. Blizzard can even take it one step farther, to where a false/trolling report will lead to the punishment of the person/people who put in the reports.
It would be glorious to see permanent account bans/ip bans handed out to ppl who abuse this.
TBC wasn't vanilla at all in any way...it introduced arenas and dumbass flying....everyone was spinny paladins and ele shamanas. Shit was dumb.
Lol. Tbc was an expansion, its literally the opposite of vanilla. Vanilla=the first live version, the base game.
Awesome video, really good points. Definitely got my sub!
Hey Tips, just a quick question.
Has anyone addressed the problem of how Blizz's current server tech would fare without the use of sharding? Just occurred to me, because the "modern" servers can't handle a couple of 40 man raids in one zone with War mode on, everything starts to lag.
Sorry if I'm behind on the news.
Do you just read the classic forums and copy whatever the top thread is and make a video about it? This is literally the main discussion over there atm lol.
Well, I didn't know about it until Tips talked about it. You and Vincent should get over yourselves.
I'm glad that everyone is talking about it, then.
Sharding, right click reporting and loot trading. The unholy trinity. Classic won't be the same as Vanilla.
Sharding will be for the opening zones only and after that will not be in. Im ok with this. As for loot trading and right click reporting yea its an issue i agree with.
@@Rohirrim009 You have no proof that it'll only be for starting zones, though.
Maybe when we get events like AQ opening they turn it on. Maybe they even make it turn on automatically if the server reaches a certain threshold.
Until we have proof, I'll still view it as a major threat.
@@Emajenus They mentioned this in blizzon 2018 it would be for the starting zones only. If i remember correct i could be wrong on this. It is posted somewhere i just cant remember where. But you have a point if its for every zone.
@@Rohirrim009 They didn't give any solid feedback. They said they're still exploring options. Ion was the one to say it in the BlizzCon Q&A. But they did not commit to anything.
@@Emajenus Well if that is the case then i guess time will tell, until blizzard actually says anything on it. we will have to wait and see.
REALLY glad you made a video about this. As a wow player since day one vanilla (minus mists and wod), I NEVER EVEN KNEW that this was how the report system works now. It truly would wreck classic. Honestly I can’t believe it even works that way in retail. That’s very unfair and biased. Good work tips.
this is a very good point that needs to be raised and looked at seriously by devs
There is no way this would destroy classic wow. You call out people for hyperbole, then do it yourself. LOL
no joke - this guy is a drama athlete.
tips please change your catch phrase or even your alias as a whole. its cringe. its sexist. its ridiculous.
i like your persona, opinions and videos. but damn, that catch phrase destroys a lot for me and im sure im speaking for many others here aswell.
Only an SJW would say this...If you don't like something about it, don't bring others down under your umbrella. People like you are what are ruining the world and destroying my faith in humanity as a whole. There goes what little confidence I had left.
For a world boss, the opposing raid group could get your main tank forced-logged and you would wipe. The right-click report feature unavoidable breaks world boss mechanics.
The thing with savix was more than mass reporting, it was flagged as him exploiting rbgs by trading wins (my friend was on the other team) both of them got one month bans which was then later appealed ONLY because someone was streaming the RBG. I was mass reported by a rival guild on my server as soon as I got aotc because they got jealous that I cleared heroic first, I’m sitting on a one month ban myself with NO APPEAL. This system is so fucking flawed it’s astonishing.
Great argument. Hope the Classic dev team will hear about this. Vanilla was all about the community and if they choose to keep that automated right click report system, the game will be ruined. Period.
I think the problems are even deeper than the correct reasons you've given in the video. The number of times I've seen someone reply 'Great!' or 'So what?' when told that Classic service will have a negative impact on the retail servers' populations should make anyone wanting to play Classic terrified that an easy to abuse system like that exists. Classic only exists because of a personality type that is more willing to complain, (not accept the reality of their situation), and that is more willing to disrupt other peoples' enjoyment for their own benefit. I'm not saying that includes a level of pettiness that would guarantee a propensity to abuse a system like that but there's no denying that it's high enough to absolutely increase the chances of it happening. Either way, I definitely agree with your opinion on adding in a manual review but they should also have bans, (even if only a temporary 30 day ban), for anyone found to be abusing this system.
There is mass and false reporting issues in Retail WoW, in Heroes of the Storm, and Activision Blizzard does /absolutely/ nothing about it.
I don't expect Classic to be any different. Sad... :(
Super important point, was just discussed in another CZcamsr video, great that you guys think about stuff like that !
This has been my biggest fear sinse talking about Bnet 7.3.5 functions being part of vanilla. I have been preaching this for a long time, and nobody cared.. i'm glad finally some streamers bring it up, and suddenly it's a legitimate problem. Thanks for bringing it up !
Whats the music on 4:24?
I've Incorporated right click report into my rotation when dueling. Haven't lost one yet :)
Guys do not be overdramatic.
EDIT:
Lol never mind. I did not know that they implemented it so poorly.
I'm pretty sure disabling report system for classic WoW is infinitely easier to do than to change the entire system of reports to no longer be auto. The system is auto because all the companies are relying on algorithms to do the job humans did before to cut their expenses. If anything, Blizzs integrating this deeper and deeper into their services. Of course it would be perfect to have GMs back and sort every encounter manually (hell, it's one of the most iconic things of early WoW), but who knows? Maybe this will be screwed up by modern Blizz.
I wouldn't say "literally unable to play." You can still play with friends/guildmates or multibox with yourself.
Definitely an issue, these features were a clear problem in outdated chatrooms, why it's used to discuss beyond me.
If they don't add free to play trade able goods.. And in force permanent banning of anyone/all who abuse report spamming. Make their monthly wallets burn!
Imagine player database that gold spamming bots being given to the exact amount of players to automatically ban the entire playerbase.
I remember playing classic WOW back in 2004 when it was first released. It was competitive as f@#$. No matter which side you were on, horde or alliance, you hustled for everything. Ore, mobs, hides, everything. If there was a specific named animal you wanted to train for a pet, you could practically guaranty you'd be waiting in line behind other hunters. If there was a named boss you had to kill for a quest..ditto. Sometimes, things would get dicey if there were horde and alliance together and fights would break out. Before you knew it there would be people showing up from everywhere. The ground would be littered with the skeletons of the dead, it was fantastic! Now imagine that same scenario, your waiting for the opportunity to tame that pet or kill that boss or mine that Ore when little Johnny and his friends show up wanting the same thing. Only they don't feel like waiting their turn because they're time is much to valuable to them to be wasted by something as frivolous as courtesy and respect. So they just decide to get you out of the way by right click reporting you. No thank you! I hope all of the "if it's not original it's not for me" chanters out there can stop crying about what the graphics will be like in classic WOW and realize that this is by far a much bigger concern. Thanks.
I know there was an addon for AV que to premade. What about a report addon during the AQ farming for mount
The grind to 60 will put off a LOT of players. No group finder will put folks off too. Running out of stuff to do will kill it in the end.
In most games, reporting doesn't lead to any instant punishment. That can be both good or bad, depending on what the person was doing. However, this system seems to be far too harsh for far too little.
Video is posted in the EU blizzard Classic section of the forums. Not to get more subs but tips you are correct on this issue.
do you play on northdale horde?
If it really works that way, that will be horrific. Especially if you crossed a streamer, they would have their army report you and banished to the nether realm with the quickness.
I can understand this.
In a dungeon yesterday I said "Hai, wakatta" to someone. This is Japanese, they knew I spoke English, as I did the entire time.
One guy laughed, and instantly I was kicked.
This may seem funny, but it's actually not. It just goes to show how easily their system is abused.
Often people are kicked and the reasons being "cause I can" ect.
I'm sure this will take place in a big way.
Did they say there going to do this . I haven't played since lk so I have no idea what's happened since then
well the problem is the same with youtube copyright claims. when there isnt a punishment for fraudulent reports and no downside to just doing it people are gonna do it because fucking with people is entertaining
I got banned for a week while trying to grind my way to high warlord. That week will set me back nearly a month of work, several weeks at the least. I presume this was done to cut me out of the competition as I was reaching weekly top 10 standing on my server. I'm not willing to spend an extra month grinding AV every day when it's already so hard to reach HWL as it is. My appeal to Blizzard was denied. I guess the griefers win.
I can totally agree to this. I have been muted several times on retail for dark humor jokes. My jokes were too "offensive" and I am seriously worried that this feature will kill barrens chat. But, what do we do about this? Do we sign a petition or something? Because I don't think just talking about it will be enough
imagine the permabans those involved will get when you make a ticket for wrongly being banned/muted.