Porsche 997 Gen 1 vs Gen 2 Comparison
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- čas přidán 11. 08. 2022
- Basheer does a comparison between the two generation of the Porsche 911 997 which were produced between 2004-2012. The 997.1 were built between 2004 - 2008 and the 997.2 between 2009 - 2012.
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Thanks for the comprehensive video. I couldnt even afford a 997 so opted to go for a 996.2 and modified egg light delete and other changes, flat 6 for life or until IMS fails lol, not when you change oil every 3000km take car of any car and it will reciprocate!
Glad to hear that we did a job well done 😉🙏. I couldn’t agree more with the regular oil changes and to be honest the 996.2 are super fun 911’s. I as a matter love the friend egg headlights. I think they were great but there is a camp of people that think otherwise 🤷🏽
I just stuck to mine 997.1 targa 4S
Both are equally beautiful - I'd go with the 997.2 for multiple reasons.
I was between a .1 S manual vs a base .2 and I went .1 and I could never be more happy (55k miles 8 years ownership) which I drove from Michigan to Miami then Miami to LA .. then LA to Oregon ❤️
You make me want one even more 😮 I’ve heard of people with 175k miles on their .1 manual and it’s still running strong no issues but oil maintenance and spark plugs
Cool
If you want a manual car, then the 997.1 is fine. But if you want automatic, then it's no contest - PDK in the 997.2.
My exact philosophy
997.1 Metzger all day
In turbo I mean
why
What about manual 997.1?
Wow that Gen 1 C4s looks stunning and very well sorted car. For me the more mechanical Gen 1 is preferred
Thank you sir. For sure the Gen 1 is more mechanical
Great to get your opinion and to see your love of the engine sounds and why the 997.1 ..which I have, the base Carrera, which I love and the 3.6 block is supposed to be the one to have!! 👏👌
I've driven both and ended up owning a 997.2 C4S - 6 speed manual. I think this comparison was a bit unfair as the 997.1 in the video was the 3.8 'S' engine and the 997.2 was the base 3.6 engine. The 997.2 'S' 3.8 engine has a very noticeable 30 more horsepower than its 997.1 counterpart and I think is more responsive due to the direct injection. I have the PSE (Porsche Sports Exhaust) and with a simple Sharkwerk's center muffler bypass, it sounds great. It doesn't quite howl like the 997.1, but has its own great sound and is plenty loud with that modification. Other reasons to prefer the 997.2 is that with the 9A1 engine you don't have to worry about IMS failure or bore scoring which was perhaps even more common in the M96/M97 engines especially if you live in colder climates. The PCM is much more modern and there were many other small beneficial changes. I didn't like the standard .2 wheels, but thats an easy fix. Mine came with .1 Turbo wheels. Of course, the .2 costs more, so you have to factor that in. If you can find a 6-speed in the 997.2 know that is relatively rare as less 997.2's were made overall and less of those had 6-speeds so that is likely to help hold its value. Personally, I like the wider body from a looks perspective and I put spacers on mine to improve the stance. But I wish the wider body was available back then on the RWD versions as RWD is probably a more pure driving experience than the 4S.
From what i've heard, the driving experience is very very similar between cC2 and C4. Its just when you get into trouble the front wheels will start to help you out. I think Chris Harris said that and he should know. It opened my mind to the C4 because i was only interested in a C2 untill that comment.
Well said. The IMS is a huge issue with the .1. People who prefer .1 pretty much didn't want to fork up the extra money to get the .2
Gen 2, more power, more tech, led lights etc etc make sure it has PSE and all is good, mine sounds great!
I love the extra add on at the end... "Refined dyson hoover".... Brilliant. Humour aside, excellent video.
Definitely one of the most informative 997.1 vs 997.2 comparison videos I've seen. Nice job!
Agreed, to the point and honest
If anyone is looking at buying a porsche 100% got to invictus porsche very nice people brilliant customer service and the cars are spot on i brought my 911 from them and still have it now as a daily
Much appreciate Karl 🙏❤️
I agree, they have been brilliant with me so far on enquiries on some of their Porsches
Great information my friend. I was curious about the difference between the 2 cars and you did a phenomenal job explaining. Thank You for sharing. Free Agent From Washington DC.
Much appreciated my friend. Glad you liked it 😊
I own the 997.1 base Carrera manual. It’s correct what you stated. Mine has 44k miles with no issues. It’s visceral and raw. I feel like I’m driving a 911 not a Hoover. Every time I drive it feels special. Some cars have a little magic and this is one of them.
The base 997 is more reliable compared to the S and glad you are enjoying the experience which is what 911 ownership is about.
I also have a base 997.1 Carrera manual. Mine has 32,000 miles. I installed a Fister sport exhaust. Otherwise, the car is stock. Driving the car is a pure visceral experience. I feel like these cars will age well. The 997 is simply a classic. There are a few things in this world that are really good. This is one of them.
Liked your video, thanks. I agree with the facts you presented. Having a 997.1 I agree it drives quite raw, remembering you that you are driving a real sports car. I tried 997.2 too, less emotional feeling, also on the steering wheel. I was not impressed by its PDK, the music starts with 991 though.
I stayed with 997.1 All its need from day one is proper running in which I did up to 5,000 miles proper maintenances better than standard lubricants are all you needs. The 997.1 is the real last 911 for fun and exciting sounds and drive especially the 4S.
Do you have a C4s? I personally prefer the c2s.
@@InvictusMotors I am in the market and I also am leaning towards the c2s over the c4s as well. I am not yet convinced that the extra weight and complexity of the awd system is worth it.
Excellent and honest comparison - thank you!
Thank you 🙏🏽
Get a gen 2 if you want an “investment’” car.
If you like driving, get a gen 1 with a rebuild. That’s what I did. Thanks invictus!
This was a GREAT comparison video!! Made me laugh too!! Love the honesty!! 😂
Haha glad you enjoyed it mate
Great Video Basheer. Top info. Hope you are keeping well. Anyone can feel confident buying from Invictus Motors. Top guys. And great to deal with.
Thanks 👍
355bhp on the 3.8l... I just bought a gen 1 06 plate C2S with a Dansk exhaust with a very extensive list of work done, and it drives amazingly and it sounds brilliant! The steering is so sharpe and precise... It's my first Porsche and what can I say, what a car😎! Mine is going to be kept for some time...
That must sound so good. I hope you get good use out of it and you have chosen very well.
I’m hoping to get a 997 but wasn’t sure if to get .1 or .2 and your video is very well made & easy to understand the basics.
Thanks Asim, glad it helped to distinguish between the two ❤️👌
Thanks for the great video.
Thank you for the feedback. Appreciate it 🙏🏽
991.1 base Carrera with simple Tubi muffler replacement howls like a GT Mezger engine! I love it!
Thanks for sharing that, please do send me a link to the Tubi muffler
If you want a manual - Gen 1. If you NEED an automatic, get the PDK Gen 2. Done deal baby.
Ah the big debate! Driven both, own a 997.1 manual. This vid doesn't mention there is about £10k between same spec cars. If closer I'd have a 997.2. it's not as raw but you worry about it a lot less!
I have owned 997.1 GT3 since 2007. I am the original owner and it is an amazing car. Other than going through lots of tires, a few clutches, and some brake pads, it has been a flawless trouble for your car. And it is ridiculously fast. I drive with a lot of the other GT 3s all of which are newer, including some 992’s. Straight line blood in the turns absolutely as fast as they are. My car is a little more raw, and requires a little more skill, but the fun is amazing!
Wow that’s an amazing car and glad you still have it. We had one recently in stock and sold very quickly
A very refined hoover 😂😂😂 love it. Just bought a 997.1 manual cab and it’s a cracker of a car to drive. Only time will tell if it’s reliable. Keep you posted. Stephen
Enjoy it and if it breaks you can always fix. No point stressing prematurely
I recall mention on a forum that the BMW nicosil issue causing bore scoring, was due to high sulphur petrol.
However petrol is now low sulphur.
That is an interesting take, I wonder if we will see less bore scoring going forward.
997.1 any day, could look at it for hours, the rear lights just look so much better than the .2 and of course like you say, that exhaust note👌🏼👍🏼
Thanks Tom, glad that you agree 😊. For sure they look better on a .1 and .2 lights unfortunately suffer from condensations too
Another very passionate and honest review. 🙏🏿
Nice comparison, but some of this was apples and oranges. In that the generation 1 here was a C4S, which is curvier (my preference aesthetically) and also has the sport engine. I personally have a 997.2 Carrera 4 with the same coloring as the 997.1 in this video. The one thing I have done aftermarket is alter the exhaust because yes, the Gen 2 is quieter stock. But otherwise, there are many advantages to the Gen 2 and it’s direct injection engine, lack of IMS, less frequent bore scoring issues, and others. Not to mention the added power when one compares apples to apples. Cheers.
This would be my selection, as well. Took the thoughts from my brain on all aspects of your choice!
This is an outstanding video. I’m in my late 60s…and still own my 944S2 Cabriolet. I love the car….I bought it the year that I turned 50 which coincided with the year I was promoted to US Navy O6 Captain. I’d be lying if I didn’t own up to some 911 envy….but I just could never justify the price of a new one. Fully retired now, from both the Navy, AND a follow on career in Federal Law Enforcement, I think it’s time to “pull the trigger” and buy a 911. So I’m looking for a low mileage / no accidents model. Great job, on discerning the difference of these two generations….I’m also looking at the next generation. I’ll find the right car at the right price, eventually! Bravo-Zulu on this great video, sir….very well done!
Love your story Captain and super excited for you to own your 911. Make sure it is maintained properly and have a PPI before purchase. You are still very young and continue to enjoy life sir
Very informative. I wasn’t aware gen 1 had a wider shape than gen 2. After your video I now prefer the gen 1
No..the 4s is wider on both .1 and .2 models.
Gen 1 definitely for the purist and better mechanical sound
The 4 is wide on both .1 and .2. The Turbo is also wide.
Gen 1 looks and sounds better and 15k cheaper I'll take my chances with bores
I purchased a 2006 997.1 in 2009 with approx 3,000 miles on it. It was the most reliable car I have ever owned. I sold it in 2015 with 21,000 miles on it.
That being written, the IMS and scoring issue was constantly on my mind. Even though I didn't have problems, I worried about it constantly. I didn't really
want to wake up one day and have to write a check for $20k - $25k to repair an issue that is basically non-foreseeable and gives very little, if any warning.
I wouldn't purchase another 997.1.
I am currently looking for another 911. It will be a 997.2 or 991.1 only.
You have summed it up beautifully, most of them don’t suffer from issues but those will issues have made it so prominent that in ownership it feels imminent.
@@InvictusMotors Thank you for the kind works. Very thorough and well done review of two outstanding P Cars.
Great vid thanks
Thank you for the compliment :)
Great commentary- luv that Gen II. Just thinks it’s nicer looking.
Thank you. It is gorgeous and done in a subtle way too
“Engine sounds like a hoover” 😂😂😂. I have a 997.1 C4S. Powerful raw car! C4S is 385bhp btw
Hi i have the Gen 1 from 2007 with 27.000km only. It is fantastic and you are right ! The Sound is fantastic compared to the Gen2 and i personaly don‘t like the Led‘s on the Gen2, look like „poor tuning“. I love the 997 C4S MK1
Thanks Christian, glad to hear that you favour the 997.1 :)
Good comparison. The 997.1 is the one if you are looking for the 911 which retains more "911"! A friend with a 997.2 is desperately looking for exhaust mods to get it sound "more like yours". I have Milltek exhaust 😉
I have a 997.2 with factory PSE, but also the Sharkwerks center muffler bypass and it sounds great.
Very very informative Ta,
Glad to hear Rob
Sem dúvida, o 997 1 é o mais bonito, mais simples e tem câmbio manual, o que o torna sensacional, na pilotagem.
É um carro mais raiz.
Mucho Gracias Afonso ❤️😊
Hello there, is the C4S still for sale?
Hi Richard,
Unfortunately it’s sold now 😞
I’ve had a 997 .1 c2 for 5 years now , and I cannot understand why you would need anything more than this car . Mine is a manual, and I absolutely love it .
For public roads you are absolutely right, there is plenty of performance in the 997.1 c2. As with anything in life, if you have deeper pockets people look for marginal improvements
I have a .1 manual base C2 and completely agree. Every time I drive it I think this is the perfect car. It’s uncanny how balanced it is in so many areas.
I waited so long to get my Porsche I am torn between the 997.1 and a997.2. I think I’m gonna go for the 997.1. And hope for the best I want to have the Porsche experience I want to have the rumble and feel like a roller coaster
Just make sure you check for bore scoring on the 997.1. All the best
I would love to buy my first porsche but would require some assistance - Would you go for a Gen 1 Automatic or Gen 2? I have a bad knee so changing gear really isn't for me - Alternative is a boxter 2013 model? Bare in mind my bank account isn't unlimited
If you have the budget, I would recommend to go for a Gen 2. If you don’t need the extra 2 seats at the back, the Boxster 2013 will definitely suffice. It’s a lot of car for the money 👍
@@InvictusMotors I don’t think I can do
The gen 2 it’s a bit too much for me. Do you know much about the maintenance and anything to look out for when it comes to the boxter or even cayman
Good review. But? Pro and con... i can afford to run gen1? Can you aford borescore, ims repair ans so on? I truly think gen2 is much cheaper to run... Main different between the 2 is the stearing
The borscore is pricy on Gen 1 with rebuild. You just have to weigh the risk I’m afraid
What year is the blue 1 an with the wide body is that AWD
Likely an '05 - '08. The 997.2 came out in '09.
Thank you
Great video, I have a 997.1 C2 manual, sounds amazing, I didn’t know the Gen 2 ‘s sounded any different to the Gen 1 but video demonstrates the differences well, I agree the gen 2 sounds like a Dyson hoover😅
Haha the Gen 1 definitely sounds good. Next time you see a Gen 2 in person pay attention to it
The lobster wheels are my favorite wheels after classic Fuchs.
Great to hear. Definitely one of our favourites too and the classic fuchs are awesome
Yeah the lobster claw is amazing suits the car so well Porsche knows what they’re doing
Nice video 👏🏽👊🏽👍🏽🥂
Thank you very much
Gen 2 hints at the styling of the Panamera
I enjoy my 2010 Panamera S. 400 HP, but needed for the weight.
Researching between the 997.2 CS or 991 CS now, for the premium Porsche experience.
So the gen 1 is wider?
997.1 4s is wider then 997.2 4s?
In this video the Gen is a C4S so wider body where as the 997.2 is a Carrera 2 which is narrow body. The C4S or C4 of both the 997.1 and 997.2 is wider bodied as well as the the Turbo and GTS iteration.
@@InvictusMotors thankyou so much!
Its sometimes hard to know all the differences.
I hope you can help me out with the following question sir!
Are the 4 and 4s both equally as wide?
Are the 997.1 4s and 997.2 4s equally wide?
I tried to google it but to clear answer, to mt understanding the mk1/mk2 4s models share the same widthness(?)
And it also seems that the 4s is just as wide as the turbo models?
Thankyou in advance
@@spapauw9384 The 997, C2 and C2S, GT3 are narrow body. The 997 C4, C4S, GT2, TURBO are wide body. often the give away can be if your running 295 or 305 rear tyres as well. There is only 44mm overall 22mm per side difference between the two.
997.2 has PSE, right?! Maybe putting it on “against” .1 4S would be better comparison ;) but agree with you that .2 has a milder sound (I got one and I compare it with my other 993 4S :))
Nice videos! Keep on!
Lovely to see the different opinions. I chose the Gen 1 as I loved the noise better and I love to looks of the Gen 1. But you need to have a good one with good history and research. And if you heat it up and maintain it, you can really let it scream and drive. But you need to take care of it. They are not cheap to drive. And most of the time there it goes wrong. Drive them with no budget.
Your comment is very valid and you are spot on about the differences
I'm going for a gen 1 997. Still deciding about Cabrio vs coupe, what's your thoughts about that?
I prefer coupe. In UK there aren’t many days you can use the top down and doesn’t justify
You will definitely enjoy a Gen 1 more, they are raw and if you like the character of the older 911’s you will definitely get that on the .1. As for Cabrio vs Coupe. If you are lucky to have good weather then cabriolet is the way to go
Thats a tough question, my last 3 cars were cabs, but when I looked at the 997s, the shape is just too good to get it in a cab, I have no regrets with the coupe.
And I researched and went with the gen2, he is correct they sound like a hoover, but back box delete with cross over pipes and a gundo hack it sounds awesome 💪
If you need the back seats for people and some degree of practicality Cabs, if you don’t need the back seats much coupe.
I have the cab and live in the UK and there is easily enough good weather to justify the soft top.
997.2 is an overall better car inside & out. 40% less parts than Gen 1 is important & shows efficiency. Both have variable steering which is raw though not as much as a 993; but far more engaging than 991 onward. I've owned both & both are great cars, but 997.2 evolved from the market crash (2008) therefore more rare, less produced.
Well done for the charity donation 👏
Thank you, it’s important to give back
The motor being a flat six doesn’t mean “physics tells you you might get a puff of smoke” 😂
. 2 manual is the the one.
I'd rather have a 997.2 base over a 997.1 Carerra S. Comparing S to S, 997.2 all the way, hands down.
Manual or auto?
IMSB and bore scoring are reason enough to AVOID the 997.1; the engine is a fatal flaw for these cars. Also variable steering sucks as does PASM. Try a high speed bend in a PASM 997 and you will notice the unstable feeling. A 996 is way more locked down and has direct/precise steering.
I appreciate your contribution. You are right about the potential bore score problems with .1 but if inspected and well maintained they do last a long time
One day I’m hoping to upgrade my 996.1 to 997. or 996 turbo.
Nice aim to have and God Willing it happens soon for you my friend 😊
His point about bore scoring is a lie. All 997s will eventually develope bore scoring because of the material Porsche used to make the engine bores.
997.1 looks so much better to me.
Great taste. They have lovely body lines
Great video
Much appreciated Mike 😊
Its interesting that someone knows so many details about the car but can not pronounce the brand correctly. It's not "PorschAA", it's Porsche.
Thank you my friend for the compliment and the constructive feedback ❤️👌
Compare a 997.1 4s vs. 997.2 "Carrera" why???
That 4s is slower to 60, partly due to extra weight of 4WD
comparison not fare even more when he seem to have gen 1 as favorite
Haha that’s a good point but I have considered both. Which one do you have?
I keep my 997.1 S
Good to hear, they are appreciating in values and nice to spice life with a 911 S
997.2 has much much better and reliable engine.
You are not wrong. What do you drive?
997.2 Turbo PDK, utterly fantastic
Bore scoring? It is just a matter of no proper warming!
It can happen despite proper warming up but well maintained will last a lot longer than poorly one so you are in essence correct
Original is always best
Bash that 997.2 engine is filthy - at least clean it up
Kashif brother it does indeed needed a clean 🧼 which has been done. We wanted to get the video done on the day we got the 911 in stock
Probably a Porsche 911... and what about the 997 model
Why would you want direct injection? So you can deal with carbon buildup and a fouled up engine? Id rather have less hp than deal with that bs.
Yes there is a higher risk of Carbon Build up with Direct Fuel Injection engines however if you follow the manufactures service intervals and use the correct grade and high quality oil its extremely unlikely to cause any issues. Direct Fuel Injection also has various other benefits such as a cooler Fuel/Air Mixture, better ignition percentages which lead to higher performance and better MPG. There are positives and negatives for both Direct and Indirect, difficult to say if one is better than the other, most people prefer the Direct Fuel Injected Porsche Engines as they are less likely to develop Bore Scoring.
Goof job thank you
Thank you sir
Why this guy stutter so much
We are not all smooth
Ben, if you have nothing nice to say! Say nothing at all! Really! Respect!
the more I watch , the less I want one ,,, it seems like your buying a monkey in a cage , playing with a hand grenade.
Haha Gen 1 do carry that risk I’m afraid