Are there 6 tones or 9 tones in Cantonese? 【廣東話聲調】
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- čas přidán 27. 03. 2022
- One of the questions that you might have when you are learning Cantonese is that “Are there 6 tones or 9 tones in Cantonese?” Let’s find out more in this video.
(Jyutping is used for the Cantonese pronunciation in this video.)
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Thank you! Very helpful!
My pleasure! Thanks for dropping by!
Thank you for the helpful explanations and for going through each of the sounds! Great to see Cantonese content like this.
@yupifoo, thank you for your encouragement. It's so good to know that you've found this video useful. Please feel free to give us any comments and suggestions in the future too. Thank you for dropping by and look forward to having you again. :)
Great video. But please turn off the music. It is so disturbing to try and learn tones with multiple tones also playing
Hi Howard. Thanks so much for taking your time to give us some feedback. You're right. I didn't realise the background music were overtaking the tones that I was introducing. I will take notes to my other future videos. I will either lower the background music, or not to include any background music, depending on the nature of the video. With this video, I will upload one without any background music. If you're interested, you can check that out too.
Hope you're enjoying learning Cantonese. All the best with your learning journey!
@@wecancanto Thank you for nice reply....Keep up the excellent work.
omg that piano 😅🤣🤣🤣
good tutorial!
Haha... I was so new to make videos back then and thought of piano music when I thought about tones 😆.
Thanks for dropping by and thanks for your encouragement! If you prefer no sounds, here is one without the background music: czcams.com/video/sUrxXrghfSc/video.html
Cheers!
Out of all things
WHY does it have to be words thatre different but with the same sound 😭😭😭
I understand your feeling as to me, it's challenging for me to tell the differences of some sounds of a new language. Having said that, if we use the right methods to learn a language with practice, there will be improvement. One thing helps me when I learn a new language is that I record how I read a certain words and then I would play it back. Next, I make some comparison with how I read it and how the demonstration reads it. I also consulted native speakers. Hope it helps. Thanks for showing interests in learning Cantonese! We can Canto :)
@@wecancanto Oh I am a native speaker (Hong Kong), I am only watching this to teach my friends Canto.
@@MasonTheFurryCat 原來係咁！大家一齊繼續努力呀！💪
It's misleading to say there are "9 tones" when clearly there are 6. Just because because tones 1, 3 and 6 can be stopped doesn't make them "different tones." They're still the same _tones_, where "tone" refers to pitch. Perhaps what Cantonese speakers mean by "tone" is something different. Perhaps they mean "pitch pattern?" Where three of the tones can be shortened, stopped by p, t and k?
I'd take it a bit further and say that there are actually 3 tones, with two registers, high and low. To me, the last three tones sound similar to the first three except in a lower register. But what do I know! I'm just an ignorant foreigner.
Thanks for taking your time to share your point of views. It shows that you’re passionate about languages. And to me, you are not ignorant at all. It’s just a way to express how much you care. I appreciate your effort. And like you, I am also passionate about languages and I love promoting Cantonese to others, not only because I’m trained in this field, but also because I hope Cantonese can be preserved. This is why I introduced this topic in my channel.
From your sharing, you mentioned that the term "tone" can have different interpretations in different linguistic frameworks. In the context of Cantonese, some linguists may use "tone" to refer to the overall pitch pattern, while others may use it to describe specific pitch contours. From Cambridge Dictionary, “tone language - a language in which the same series of sounds can represent different meanings, depending on how high or low they are spoken.” In the case of Cantonese, Catonese in T1 (tone 1) and in T7 create two different words. For example “恩"(jan1) means “grace” while “一"(jat1) (which is in T7) means “one”.
In one theory, the nine tones in Cantonese are 陰平 (high level)、陰上(high rising)、陰去(mid level)、陽平(mid-low falling)、陽上(mid-low raising)、陽去 (mid-low level)、陰入(high stopped)、中入(mid stopped)、陽入(mid-low stopped). The differences between 陰平 - T1 (high level) and 陰入-T7 (high stopped) ; 陰去- T3 (mid level) and 中入-T8 (mid stopped); 陽去- T6 (mid-low level) and 陽入- T9 (low stopped) lie in their contour characteristics, not in pitch values. In this theory, T7, T8, and T9 are considered to be different from T1, T3 and T6 respectively due to their pitch contours. It argues that even though these tones can be shortened by certain consonants (p, t, and k), they still exhibit distinct pitch characteristics. Hence, they are classified as separate tones. *reference: dbpedia.org/page/Tone_(linguistics)
While it is true that some linguistic theories suggest that Cantonese has six tones, there are other theories that propose nine tones. These various perspectives arise from the differences in the analysis and description of tonal patterns in the language. In this article: Cantonese Phonology (corpus.eduhk.hk/mandarin_pronunciation/?page_id=36), it suggests that there are six contrastive lexical tones (T1 to T6) and three allotones (T7 to T9) which are shorter versions of T1, T3 and T6 respectively with an unreleased final stop consonant /p, t, k/. (Bauer & Benedict, 1997 Trends in Linguistics: Modern Cantonese Phonology. Berlin: Walter de Gruyter.)
Here is another interesting article on this topic (this article argues that the tone identification plays a very important role in automatic recognition of Cantonese) if you are interested: www.cse.ust.hk/faculty/mak/PDF/sap1995-tone-recog.pdf
Having discussions on the number of tones in Cantonese reflects the complexity and diversity of linguistic analysis. Different theories offer different points of views, and they lead to varying conclusions. By being aware of the differences between them, it will help us to understand and acquire the language more effectively. I think it is important to understand different theories and see which one will help you understand the language more. In my video, I emphasise the importance of keeping an open mind. My intention of this video is to bring out the importance of learning tones in Cantonese. I have shared my own personal views and I respect other opinions at the same time.
Thank you again for your feedback and I hope you continue to enjoy your language learning journey.
By your way of thinking, you could say Multiplication & Division don’t exist because we can just use Addition & Subtraction to achieve that. “What’s 3x3? Oh, just 3+3+3. No need to use multiplying rules.” In essence, why Cantonese have 9 sounds and 6 tones and my math example exist are to distinguish all deemed sufficient of discernible details of variations. Over-simplification (e.g. 9 sounds dwindle to 3 tones) does more harm than good for new language & math learners. Rules exist because there are ample of differences to justify the existence.
But I’m just a native Cantonese speaker offering my point of view in a more simplistic analogy, so feel free to express your thoughts.
@@anson1269 Thank you for sharing your point of views. It's good to see things from different perspectives and that's one of the ways how we can gain knowledge. So glad to know that there are many Cantonese speakers trying their best to promote Cantonese. Keep it up! :)
You can't apply your shallow and narrow understanding of "tones". You're absolutely right about being an ignorant foreigner. Linguists have analysed the language for hundreds of years and here you are barely learning the language and imposing your point of view.
"Tones" in tonal language aren't pitch contours. They are actually throat positions. Stuart Jay Raj did some good analysis on his videos on that, covering not just canto but other tonal asian languages.
@@freemanol Thank you for your sharing. I’m impressed by how talented Stuart is with his language skills. While he argues not just to focus on pitch contours, he doesn't deny the existence of pitch contours. As I shared before, there are many theories that offer different points of views on this topic. It's always good to keep an open mind and regularly reflect on our learning. May you continue to enjoy your language learning journey.