Tai Chi Form of Master Moy
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2014
- Tai Chi Form of Master Moy Lin-Shin demonstrated by Doug Nettleton, student of Master Moy.
This form emphasis health benefits of tai chi exercise and not martial arts. There are a lot of stretch-out fully. This clip is in the DVD available at www.zwta.org
Included in the DVD there are 42 individual moves with 2 or 3 camera angles showing how each move is done.
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Taoist Tai Chi was devised strictly for the health giving aspects, and benefits of tai chi. The purpose of this form is entirely to provide and support good health. The benefits of this form for people recovering from illness, or injury is extraordinary. The range of problems addressed are legion; stroke recovery, heart health, Parkinson's, spinal injuries, balance issues, lung and circulatory problems, these and many other problems are greatly helped. Mister Moy's form has helped many thousands of people. Thanks for your efforts in passing these teachings on, many of us appreciate it.
To those declaring this is wrong because it is not martial, Taoist Tai Chi focuses on the health aspects and not combat.
I've been doing Taoist Tai Chi for only a couple of months and the effects are astonishing. My balance, coordination and even my memory are greatly improved. I've more endurance as well.
For someone with Lupus and FM, this has been a blessing.
Did this style when my walking and balance was very poor, and ended up assisting at classes. Due to personal difficulties I've haven't been to classes for a few years, but am seriously thinking of returning. Not only is it good for your physical health, it is also very good for your mental health. I personally have found the members to be exceptionally friendly and verry nice.
I am horrified to see all the negative comments about this video. He never claims to be a master for one and secondly if all you geniuses are so informed about this art form then post your own video so we can all bash you too. His movements may not be perfect but he is trying and cudos to his efforts. This type of negative energy has no place in Tai Chi so shame on all of you.
Excellent! I'm a member of the Taoist Tai Chi Society in Canada, I'm just learning and this video is going to help me out so much, Namaste!
thank you so much for uploading this video. I used to practice Taoist Tai Chi years ago and have somewhat forgotten the set/form. This video is fantastic.
Thank you for this awesome demonstration! Helping beginners while promoting tai chi is great.
Ďakujem. Všetko vidím zreteľne. Som úplne na začiatku a toto pomôže
Thanks for this! I am a novice in Master Moy's form, and appreciate every visual aid I can get! Yes, everyone's details differ, as I am learning, and yet the spirit is intact throughout.
I've been out of the habit for a few years now; thanks for posting this, I can use it to help remind myself while I'm getting back into it again.
Master Moy developed this particular flavor of Taoist Tai Chi to emphasize the health benefits, not the martial aspects.
I am a continuing student in Denver, CO and have been practicing this form for eight years now; I am continually amazed at how powerful the practice is.
For a beginner, you're not too bad. I've been practicing Yang style for over 30 years and I continue to learn. That's the beauty of this journey. Continued learning. Continued benefits. Congratulations.
I have seen the health and body benefits from practicing Tai Chi. I have witnessed persons with knee or hip transplants return to almost a normal life function within 4 weeks or sooner, depending on ow much one wants to put into it. Tai Chi is always an ongoing learning experience. Once through the beginners learning stage then one must continue to improve by ongoing practice. Not everyone is wanting a fighting skill just the relaxation and clear mental thought Tai Chi brings to one.
The legend of Master Moi Linshi is that as a child he was beset by chronic illness to the point that his family was unable to care for him and he was not expected to live through his childhood. After praying to Guanyin for grace, he overcame his illness and in gratitude became a monk dedicating his life to the benefit of others. As the years went by, Master Moi became a master of both Taichi and Qigong, and combined the two into the unique Taoist Taichi set that we see here, this is indeed not a martial art as many have pointed out here, and indeed those knowledgeable in Qigong can easily see its influence in this set. Master Moi's Taichi is a rejuvenation/health recovery exercise. This is depicted through the bagua/Yin-yang symbol of the Taoist Taichi society which actually flows in reverse to the usual Bagua/yin-yang. The purpose is to symbolize the return of the the practitioner's body to the 'body of an infant' which is supple and flexible and open to the flow of Qi thus improving quality of life and increasing longevity. Master Moi dedicated his life to the service of others and thus brought his form to the west, but his greatest contribution was the founding of the charitable society which continues on in honour of his memory to support those in need, and to make their communities better places to live.
Excellent explanation! I belong to a club in Lindsay, On. The instructors are all so kind and caring and the club is so supportive. It would please master Moi that his legacy lives on and helps so many.
Mr. Moy told me that his Qigong teacher was not happy with him for teaching it. Later he came around and praised Mr. Moy for being clever in blending these two arts.
I studied with Mr. Moy for a few years starting in 1979. His positive remarks on various arts became my guide to my decades of exploration. It has been quite a journey.
Thanks for this video! It helps me to practise at home. I'm a begginer member of the Taoist Tai Chi Society in Hungary :)
Thanks Doug, I left the Taoist Tai chi society a couple of years ago for reasons touched on in other posts. I miss doing the form though, it was great for mobility in my joint, particularly my back (I'm a programmer by trade), and the concentration required made it a focused and calming form of exercise. Your video is a great reminder.
Thanks Doug,
Living too far away from classes at the moment so this is just so helpful. Merci Bien!
Great post, Great man ( Doug Nettleton), and Great Art. Thanks again for the post.
Excellent video. A very pure playing of the Form. I am recommending this video to my friends who may be interested in learning Master Moy's Tai Chi.
i had a stroke about 2 1/2 years ago, then to make matters worse i had a diabetic comma late this winter past. I have worked hard nearly everyday trying to get back to walk normal. I have seen this for years and it always looked like something healthy. I finally joined and had two classes and it is a challenge but fells pretty good. Looking forward to more classes.
This man was taught personally by Mr. Moy and Lokup as well. The people who talk negative of him don't know what they are talking about and I understand it better than Moy himself or any other of his students.
thank you very much for this post, it is very helpful to beginners to remember the sequences.
a beginner in Portland, Oregon Taoist Tai Chi society
Thanks for posting this. I have just had one Tai Chi lesson last week and it is hard to remember even the first few moves. I have bookmarked the link so I will be referring to it over the new few months as I learn. Thanks again
I love it!
1/3 the way through learning the moves, but wonderful to see someone practising in such a fluid way.
Canada
Thank you very much for posting this.
Thank you for this excelent video will help me brush up on Master Moy's Tai Chi which was developed to aid health
You wouldn't believe it, but it was part of my karate training in San Francisco's Chinatown with the Butoko Kai and Master Richard Kim who authored the book "Weaponless Warrior." We'd end our 3 hour training sessions with 108 Yang Style Tai Chi. Since then I've maintained my Tai Chi training which has replaced the harder martial arts on my 56 year old body.
IN regards to the negative comments. If your truly studying any form of tai chi... makeing negative comments is against the philosophy. My suggestion is that if you have a negative comment to go and study a few more years... then watch the video. I heard a poem once.. it stated " There are many ways to climb the mountain, value each for the wisdom they hold"
I love this version of the set, and I'm counting the minutes until IATLA can sell me a similar DVD of the lok hup set!!
I've seen a lot of negative commentary from different people about this video and I must say as a beginner, I find that the point to this video is not perfect form, yet a guideline to the 108 moves. Its up to my instructor and I to fine tune form and chi but this is an excellent reference when trying to remember the sequence, not the details. Don't be hatin, start participatin!
Thank you for this video (I ordered the CD), and for the Lok Hup class video. It would be wonderful if you made a Lok Hup video like the tai chi one. I took Part I of Lok Hup from another group but have not had a class to practice with, and it is difficult to remember without better aids than the list naming the moves. Thanks again.
A quick advisory to people reading the comments below. Anyone who indulges in angry or insulting commentary regarding this demonstration doesn't understand the point or the practice of Taoist Tai Chi.
This is Master Moy Tai Chi arts. He was Taoist Monk. Probably you know this story about his school. In 1968 he founded Fung Loy Kok in Hong Kong and in 1970 imigrated to Canada.
+XianWangTheo
This Video is a great help to learn the sequence, even though is too fast.
A few years ago I was introduced to tai chi in the form of this form.I feel it is a soft form and after about 3 months i got it down to a level i could focus on the internal aspects. The stretching is in my opinion very good for you. At a sertain point in the routine i had a feeling i was not moving at all. wich is strange becouse i was indeed doing the form. After i did the form is was as if i was on something and very lightweigted.
Very nice work my friend very nice work!
I think I remember meeting Doug at one of the workshops years ago.
What with all the negative comments?
People leave the politics out of it, thank you.
+Ernest Venn +Nickolas Polischuk +Davey K +Terry Rudden
Constructive Criticism is the FIRST step into the journey of PROGRESS FORWARD.
All the comments so far that I read were honest critics and spot on. The description on the video emphasizes the taichi exercise portion NOT the martial arts application. I teach taichi exercise also, but *leaning forward* too much ...sigh... going beyond one extreme. It is supposed to be NEITHER this way NOR that way, thus remain grounded, rooted to the earth.
Enough with philosophical aspect of the taichi set routine.... I must say if this senior just performs a bit slower and in more meditative way....I can only assume he is a newbie into this kind of exercise, or maybe that is how he was taught! I watched master Moy's performance in other videos, same style like this senior's..... it is a matter of preference for all of us.
For those of you that experience the health benefits of practicing taichi exercise set routine regardless of various styles, kudos and congratulation! If it happens that you join TTC instead of other various more famous styles, it means you have the affinity towards TTC style of taichi form.
Constructive criticism - NOT negative attacking criticism without giving pointers is positive message.
One of you that learned TTC style commented : _Most of the posts here seemed to have missed the point that TTC is practised to dissolve the ego and improve health; it's not the FORM but what's in your heart that counts._
Actually, all taichi forms also are practiced to recognize the action of the EGO and let it be - don't nurture it - so that it will diminish as times go by and of course to improve health! Form is very important because it is the most basic foundation of the building blocks - just like our body consists of various building blocks enzymes, proteins, and also by doing with proper form, it will minimize the injuries cause by wrong technique, etc ....
without good form and strong foundation of the body itself, your practice of taichi routine gets stagnant and slow progress, meaning wasting lots of time and effort. Aren't you guys want to be more effective and efficient taichi practitioners?
_What's in your heart that counts_
Don't delve into the intellectual exercise that Westerners get addicted to, it becomes the *stumbling block* in whatever they pursue in the beginning of the journey.
*Remain grounded or rooted* is the key. Don't get into the cloud... you catch my drift?-
Getting upset by reading the so-called negative comments as most of TTC members right here- means you have NOT learned anything about the other side of taichi exercise... balance outlook in life, modesty, humility, and never mind them! Cheers.
I use this to review. The movement speed is up to the teacher, but too fast misses something. This man is not doing it too fast though. A slower pace brings a more meditative mood for me. I can get a better harmony y of mind body and spirit by using a slower pace. During the time of COVID we need as many examples to practice by as possible. I am grateful that we have this one, even for sake o discussion. Fredrich Ulrich Canada
153,00 views! Nice work man! Art is supposed to be looked at and critiqued. Can't wait to have my taichi picked apart as well.
@gordhill Thanks for the "compliment". This practitioner knows the movements but not the posture. Time will fix this, providing he has a competent teacher.
I'd like personally to attest the usefulness of this form as a health-improving method. From my own experiences after several major injuries, I found Taoist Tai Chi significantly helped my mobility and flexibility. Most of the posts here seemed to have missed the point that TTC is practised to dissolve the ego and improve health; it's not the FORM but what's in your heart that counts. Just a shame that more of the senior instructors have yet to learn this.
@bigkittysmile after searching a lot on the web, I think that its is better to have some incorrect execution of the movement than noting. Te good information is rare. If you have suggestions of good links on taoist tai chi, let us know. Thanks
How is White Snake Turns and Puts out tongue different than Turn and Chop with Fist? Move Number 86 in "the Book" shows as a chop with fist and in your video it shows as a slap. Do you know why?
Is the "Pa Kau" step before Fair Lady Works Shuttles another difference between the "Taoist Tai Chi" and the Master Moy Tai Chi. In "The Book" No. 66 it shows the right foot stepping east parallel to the wall.
I am new to Tai Chi and recognise this as the classic form - apart from the moves being performed too quickly which I gather means that benefits are not impacted as well and from a novices viewpoint not quite so easy to follow, I have found it very helpful and would recommend it to others. I might add that thus far I found nothing of this form (108 moves) for sale on DVD.
@gordhill
I have studied this style for 18 years, and it most certainly does bring the internal. My chi rumbles and fills the room. My teacher studied directly under Master Moy for many years, taught for the TTCS and then studied with Master Mantak Chia. As I progressed to an advanced student, my moves became more internal and less external. Practicing the external brings the internal over time with a good teacher. You should find a teacher who teaches you to master your ego.
Уважаю тай чи и занимаюсь им уже давно. Данный ролик познавателен для обучающихся, здесь хорошо видна повторяющаяся ошибка- наклон туловища, что недопустимо в тай чи и считается одной из грубых ошибок. Желаю удачи всем и радости от занятий!
Great form
anything that gets the chi flowing has to be good , give it a go use it as you need
Thank you for the video. it has been a huge help to my beginner's class, when we are trying to remember moves.
I love Tai Chi and also love the $25 T shirt (!)
I have found everyone I have met in Tai Chi to have good hearts and be open.
No-one is forcing anyone to watch this video, if it bothers a few so much...walk away.
The form is modified by practitioners so you will see variations if you go to a class. This version will give you the sequence but its a bit fast with lots of not quite finished moves in it. There is no real sunstitution for attending workshops and classes or just a workshop a year if you live too far from classes.
@gord
Just cause many people don't take the time to listen doesn't mean the body doesn't have anything to day. After all, the body and mind are one.
I though this was a pretty good set! When he sweeps the lotus, he gives his foot a proper good whack!! Go for it Dougie!!!
@logan252252 my teacher always told me that if others see the benefits in my life then the practice is working.
It has the benefit of any regular exercise, but TTCS does not teach proper breathing and mental coordination or real taiji. I learned near the source, from some people who trained with Moy himself.
Afterward I found a taiji teacher who taught me that although there are different styles, everything is the same IF it follows basic principles of taiji. 1)Breathing/Qi 2) Physical 3) Mental - These MUST be taught as basics before form can even be learned. The Taiji classic texts say this aswell
@Lagboltz
I did! here it is, beautiful form
This video was 2014, yet some comments are 8 years ago. Odd. I know this man. He has serious health problems, but he was taught Lo Kup by Mr. Moy and has an excellent memory of the form. This tai chi has helped many people, including me. The other forms are socialist tai chi. This is the most real.
@kenadra13
I wrote the comment in direct response to the video description... Dough claims to have learned from Moy, and may I well have... at some point.
However, Moy developed the Taoist Tai Chi Society to ensure his school's Tai Chi beliefs are properly taught.
Moy did not create the "International Association of TaiChi and LokHup Academies" - which is organization Dough Nelson belongs to.
It seems unfair to put down anyone who is trying his/her best to do Tai Chi. Most people don't bother with it.
We don't know what maladies this man might be overcoming. I have challenges too, and my Tai Chi form is far from perfect, but I still try.
Our bodies are all different, so why would we expect anyone to do it exactly the way we think they should?
I praise everyone who tries to master it, whatever form they use.
The reason a move may have been slightly altered by Master Moy was to suit a individual physical needs, at that time and other would see it and copy it. Moy did not understand or speak english.
-In the Tai Chi Classics it is statted:
NEVER LEAN.
This man is leaning all the time: Therefore he is not grounded and he is missing the whole point: In pushhand every skilled tai chi practioner could make "Plug" on him. He is absolutely noton the right path I must say.
Bo Rødding I haven't even tried taichi and I can tell they're is something off with his practice.
Must say, this dialogue is not very Taoist. Read the Tao Te Ching before posting. If this gentleman's form isn't perfect (is that a tenet of Taoism?), then why doesn't someone post Master Moy performing the 108 moves? Taoist Tai Chi society is a non-profit benevolent organization. Why isn't Master Moy's video more public? This guy is just trying to be helpful.
I met Master Moy Lin-Shin many years ago. An impressive and kind man who made it his life's work to spread the benefits of Tai-Chi all over the world. He apparently had schools in Canada, the USA, Europe etc. I believe he was originally from Hong Kong and was taught by a Taoist Monk.
The Taoist Tai Chi Society is an awesome place.
to kenadra13 and gordhill, thank heaven there is at least two people who know what tai chi is: This poor man needs to find another instructor quickly, hopefully its not too late for him.
This video is too fuzzy. It's difficult to make out details. This does not aid in learning.
The minimum acceptable resolution for videos today is 720p.
@kenadra13 A kenadra, I am fully agree with you, are certainly good exercise but far from Been called Taiji.
Also you should find out what your instructors reasons are. Tell him you don't want to make the same mistake.
@BlueCatLaughing What would you say about a golfer who never hit a golf ball? What about a baseball pitcher who never threw a baseball? Taiji IS a martial art, regardless of all the BS that the hippies attached to it. It is my guess that you bowl without pin and ball? There is a very simple and important reason that taiji MUST be done as a martial art. It has to do with yin/yang balance. What do you have without yang? Answer.. no yin either!
Ok, is this as fast as you can go?
+Stefanie H. It is much too fast.
I was scoffing
I hope that isn't Master Moy's form. That is not good tai chi.
what kind of taichi is it?
just so strange
This is Taoist Tai chi
Ewa Wójcik I mean from what lineage?
+XianWangTheo My answer for you down
@47wma It would be most helpful if you read more carefully - this man does not claim to be a master, merely a disciple. I wonder how much does ego enter into practice? Perhaps I am too new, but I believe ego is best left out of it. Peace and blessings be with you.
I will not knock his efforts,as this is not the way... but his form...Oh dear.
But on the good side ...keep practicing, it will get better. as we all will if we do.
Fung Yang Sau Kung Fu
for me the form was not complete. Only the healtaspect was explored and not the martial arts side of it. I felt it was not complete (for me) so I started chen style. At this tyle i had no "drug" effect and felt not light in the head. Wich makes it a better style for me.
The association does a good job for those who need and benifit from it.
strike, strike, block, strike, block, block, strike or attach adhere fallow? looks like karate with qigong benefits.
Well it's obviously not traditional tai chi, which is a martial art. Their are 16 nie gung principles for correct internal martial arts to exist fully. This practitioner is over emphasizing a part of one of those. Being able to lenghten and stretch the the joint and muscle structure (as well as blood vessels, organs, etc.) though it should not be so visually apparent. Try making the extending smaller while still feeling the opening and closing and muscle lengthening.
these titles are confusing. As i seen on a few listed here. Besides poor video quality. I suggest using better condition people as models and also with more experience. You want to put your best foot forward to attract much more. We learn from our mistakes, good try but need to be redone with these critics in mind.
That's because it's not taihiqun. Any path that takes you to the top of the mountain is valid, doesn't have to be the same as yours.
I would recommend the practitioner here to take the time to refine the form starting with a single move. For example the fist move. Each and every move should have a complete straight spine (although the spine compresses and extends) and the key part that needs to be worked on is to make the moves unified/connected. "There are no hands in Tai Chi" - i.e. each arm movement comes from the scapula which is directed from the waist. The waist draws from the ground. This is unified movement. Patience!
This would look so cool if he was bending water! X p
Better watch Master Moy himself, video "Our founder Master Moy demonstrates Taoist Tai Chi" ! You will see the difference !...
Tout est embrouillé. Ce le problème ..
@RonaldNor experienced knowledgeable and dedicated teachers. after 1 year or so the taoist society gets students to take and give classes to others.dedicated? maybe. experienced and knowledgeable? in my personal experience No. it's a shame so many people looking for the real benefits of tai chi end up with people who have no knowledge or experience of it!
@bigkittysmile must be some sort of racist, deriding this guy who's put himself up for criticism. Although his moves may not be perfect (and lets face it - the person who has attained perfection does not exist) his moves have served me, a mere beginner, to remember what i have been shown at classes.
Hi,
my two cents.
Those who condemn an entire form because of one guys youtube display are beyond unwise...
The man in the above video clip is not affiliated the Taoist Tai Chi Society, which is the organization that the honorable Moy Lin shin chose to pass on his legacy: Taoist Tai Chi.
@podmonger =) people just need to not be ignorant and need to learn how to read. they would see it says DISCIPLE of Master Moy... gotta love how ppl dunno how to read,
Whether the above form is snake oil or not one needs to participate in one of our classes with an open mind and " feel" for yourself. Making ludicrous comments about a clear mind by merely watching a form in two dimension is never the same as an " in class lesson" with experienced, knowledgeable and dedicated teachers. Unless of course by hiding under those pretty pseudo names you (all) have a separate agenda up your sleeve. An by the way yoga is much more than just merely stretching.
sad
This man is doing himself disservice..
Mr. Nettleton has been poorly trained. This video does not represent the best of Tai Chi. See "Tai Chi 24-Form" by RyogaHJ for something much better and very sweet!
Katastrophe
CRAP
Does not look like a master to me, why is everyone a master?. Doing the form like this will not improve any kind of Art. The form is only a set of techniques that you can apply if you are already profient in internal martial art application. If you don't have the internal developed and can apply it, these sets will not teach you anything.