Icon Shocks for Beginners - Your Questions Answered
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- We sell, install, and service @iconvehicledynamicstv shocks and upper control arms. We run Icon on our own vehicles. These answers are based on our experience, helping thousands of Icon customers, and running these products ourselves.
01:10 - Are Icon Shocks aluminum?
02:25 - How long do Icon shocks last? How often should i rebuild?
03:30 - Are Icon shocks better than Fox & King?
04:58 - How much lift do Icon 2.5 shocks give?
06:40 - How do you adjust Icon Shocks on the truck?
07:22 - How much is it to rebuild Icon Shocks?
08:29 - How do you revalve and retune Icon Shocks?
10:07 - What does ICON CDEV/CDCV do?
11:50 - Are Icon shocks stiff / too firm?
14:05 - How much nitrogen PSI for my Icon Shocks? - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Spot on. I'm with you. I love my Icon on and off road.
Another great video! Cheers
Right on!
Quick question, i have a 2023 Ram 1500 4x4 with the V6 etorque engine. Looking for a 2.5/3inch lift up front and around 1.5 lift in the rear. I usually hit the typical fire roads with a few offshoots (Lytle Creek, Cleghorn, Big Bear areas mainly) and with the occasional desert trip, usually carry 200-300lbs of gear in the bed. Would the Icon stage 3/4 kits be suited for me? They advertise 2-3inch lift with 2.5 resi coilovers up front and upgraded UCA, and 2.5 resi shocks/springs in the rear with 1.5 height. I also like a firmer/sportier ride on the road. Thanks!
Purchased my Icons directly from Icon but do like your videos on suspension a lot. Good useful information presented very well. Chose Icon for my light weight 4400 pound as driven on road, RCSB 2017 F150 2wd, because of the handling reputation. I am on a set of 2.5 CDCV all around adjusters set to #2 or 3, the coilover collars run as high as possible to get a min lift 1.75 inches. Trail use is very good on WI MN MI forest service roads, but pavement handling with a bit of alignment tweak is fantastic for a full sized pickup. I spent a lot of time slalom racing sport cars in the 1980's, this setup feeds my handling desires!
love to hear it, thanks for the feedback!
Great info on icon. Just did a stage 1 on my Tacoma with 2.5 in the front and 1.5 in the rear. Also paired it with the Icon Rebound Pros. New to 4x4 so this video was nice clearing some questions.
Solid choice!
My recommendation is to try to get a ride in a rig similar to yours with icons
Yep that's definitely a good call, wish we could do more ride and drives
hey guys! i want to know! what is the best suspension for low speed with gear for camping.. drawer system, freezer, front and back bumper, Rooftoptent, awnining etc etc. i want a suspencion for my 4runner but i dont wanna to run every time. what is the best balanced kit? dobinson? icon? fox ?
I’m just a city boy but I want icon shocks for my truck.
Hello
I have a 2017 Toyota Tundra Limited Extended Cab TRD Offroad 4x4. I'm looking to start a FULL overlanding build in the next few months, inclusive of new bumpers, winch, roof rack, bed rack system, roof top tent, all the goodies plus all the extra weight. And probably keep it like that for daily driving. I want to achieve a 3" lift up front via coilovers, and a corresponding lift for the rear where I'll still have a mild rake from rear to front even after full build is complete. I don't care about going fast off-road, I don't care about going fast during daily driving, too old for that, haha. I just want very good handling on and off road and the durability of my shocks to be where I don't have to rebuild every 30000-50000 miles. I don't care for massive rock crawling either. I just want to get outdoors and go places that most people have no idea about. Money is no issue but I don't want to waste money either. I'm just looking for a complete suspension suggestion for brands and which system within those brands. Thank You
Best ride is gonna be king remote with adjusters. Shouldn't have much body lean but 3" up front is gonna be hard on the cv axles over time so it would be a good idea to pair it with a 1" differential drop. Shock surplus has a video on sdi electronic adjustable coil-overs, which they can add onto any normal remote reservoirs. Adds about $2,500 but you can set them soft for slow trails then stiffen up on the highway from the driver seat. They also prevent bottoming out pretty well. Get a full rear leaf pack from either deaver or old man emu set up as the expedition pack for your added weight. Add a leafs and blocks are pretty bad once you load them up. Also spend the extra money and get the icon delta joint upper control arms. They're 100% worth it.
If you don't go with shock surplus order from a company that can customize your coilovers. With a steel bumper and winch you will want to have a heavier spring rate than the out of the box ones or you won't get the lift height you want, or you'll have to crank the preload and ruin it anyway. They say 50,000 mile rebuild but I've got that much on some basic fox 2.0 ifp's until I can get the spendy setup and they're still like 85%-90% as good as they were new. If you don't want to ever rebuild bilstein 6112 or 8112 if they make them for your truck are good, but the ride quality won't be as nice. Rebuilds are typically required from high speed off road stuff. Highway and slow trails doesn't put a ton of strain on them so they last longer.
Thanks for the info, you guys are the best. I WILL be shopping from you guys!!
MrSkyentist, you are truly amazing good sir. Thanks for chiming in and helping the community understand and guide them as well. We need more people like you haha. But spot on. Another good overland setup is ARB/OME BP51 with internal bypass, external reservoir, and low-speed compression and rebound adjustment.
I have a 2011 4Runner on a stage 7 with the stage 2 secondary system. I like the daily driving handling and when I hit a trail it’s super smooth. From what I know about digressive vs linear is a linear piston is a lot easier to tune. It takes a bit more skill to tune a digressive piston. Also another benefit with Icon is it tuned for each vehicle. King and Fox they us a baseline tune for a variety of models. Toyota for example. The tune on a Tacoma is the same as a 4runner. Yet both are completely different handling rigs. All in all great video!!
Thats our view too, but to make that claim we need to backup that generic valving claim with dyno charts, soon!
i think the icons might be a fit for me because I don't want drive around my rig feeling like its the titanic. and usually just drive around gravel roads and its nice to drive on spirited side where this shocks shine
Definitely, and more often than not they often end up being our personal favorite option for our own rigs. They certainly are a little firm over smaller bumps and chatter at lower speeds, but we always like to say if your Icons feel too stiff you just arent driving fast enough LOL
@@ShockSurplus watching xoverland drive across north south america and europe on icons probably helped with my decision too
In your opinion which type of suspension would you recommend on a Tacoma 2002 I’ve been looking at the icon stage 3 been doing my research but still not quite sure
The stage 3 kit nice, super solid, definitely aimed at performance so i hope you're running around the dirt pretty fast, or want great handling on the trails. I'd take a hard look at the Bilstein 6112+5160 setup for much less; you could get the bilstein kit and new UCAs with the rear add a leaf - for the same price of the stage 3 kit.
www.shocksurplus.com/search?Year/2002/Make/Toyota/Model/Tacoma/DriveType/4WD
What would be a recommendation for a 2023 ram 1500 4x4? I’m 99% on road. Thinking of a icon stage 2 2-3 in lift/level coil over. Are there any other options to look at compared to that? What would recommendations be.
Icon are great, but probably overkill if you're not concerned with dirt performance and more spirited driving offroad. Eibach and Fox both provide a bit more comfort on-road in our experience, while still doing great in the dirt
www.shocksurplus.com/products/eibach-pro-truck-lift-system-stage-1-kit-for-2019-2022-ram-1500-4wd-w-2-lift
@@ShockSurplus
Do you valve shocks?
I ******* love accutune.
Over the counter cookie cutter shocks are a dissapoint in comparison
Have Icon’s on my 2021 Silverado with less than 20k miles and the front right just failed and started leaking. I can’t find anyone local in the SE to rebuild them. Pretty disappointed in them and wouldn’t recommend them to anyone. Now I either have to send them back and be without a truck for 3 weeks or let someone who has never done it before try to fix them.
how bad is the leakage? constant? big puddle? If you wanted to ship them here to service, would probably cost $70ish in shipping both fronts back, $400 on the rebuild, then $50 shipping back.
www.shocksurplus.com/pages/shock-service
Hello! What would be a good fit for a 2023 bronco wildtrak with a HOSS 3.0?
That HOSS 3.0 already comes with a good set of internal bypass Fox shocks so I would definitely stick to options that are also position sensitive like the Fox 3.0 Factory Race Series, or electronically controlled like Icons CDEV or a set or another brands 2.5 external reservoir coilovers with an SDI E Click upgrade.
You gave me some relief. I just bought a 2018 Tacoma Limited and it came with Icon II's and they are leaking. Hope to find somewhere in North Georgia to rebuild them. Any suggestions?
google maps 'motorsports' and start asking around who can service them. Or you can ship em to us!
@@ShockSurplus where are you located?
Are they 2.5s. If so you can invest some time in researching minimal tools and do it yourself.
You could even play with shim stacks to soften or slow shock down depending on how you think they feel now.
@@evanmiller1642 well I was able to adjust my shocks but I did have to heat and bend the spanner tool I was sent a few times. Got it done though before our trip from Georgia to Louisiana. Ended well.
@Mr.Higginbotham
What? The collars are that tight with the weight off the axle? Usually ive had good luck just turning the entire coil to adjust collar ounce jamb collar is loose.
How much preload was on them ?
The distance the collar is down ounce the spring quits shaking
hey guys! i want to decide about icon or dobinsons MRR. i like just to go slowly in the dirt.. i can run but nothing crazy just for few seconds. and i want to know. if the icon are good enought going slowly.. i want to get the cdcv valve shocks. and i dont wanna anything bouncy in my truck. my truck only have right know, prinsu roof rack, rooftop tent ikamper and a 180° awning. i will buying more stuff for the truck. so. what can you recommend me. i want a overland vehicule built.
While we've loved our Icon setups on numerous vehicles, their CDCV setup is great, we would categorize those systems as a performance level shock that is meant to play at faster speeds. At lower speeds they may feel too sporty/firm for some, but being adjustable with the CDCV under a loaded vehicle with all that gear, it should be pretty comfortable (it was for us on our Tacoma with 600lb constant load).
THe MRR will typically be more comfortable all around, has a lot more adjustment to fine tune the ride. The rebound adjustment on the MRR really makes a huge difference in ride quality and comfort, so that cant be overstated enough. Rebound, in some of our opinion's here, is the game changer for ride quality. Dobinsons typically last a bit longer than Icon in terms of needing service.
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Have Tacoma. 2.5 icon coil over remote resi front + S2 2.5 omega bypass up front as well. i have revalved (0.015” compression coil over and triple up on compression shims in the bypass). Front uniball upper and lower. They handle great until you get serious, then the piece of shit digressive valving acts as if there’s no shock whatsoever and it’s major bottom out time. Very very unpredictable control when you beat hard. A clone Tacoma we have , with the exact same set up as me but with king coil over and bypass up front does not have any such problem whatsoever, very predictable and progressive for the king setup . This is absolutely true what he says in the video about digressive valving being no good at speed . I don’t know who decided to put a digressive piston in an off-road shock. Do not ever run any sort of digressive shock off-road like icons . It will literally be like you have no shocks whatsoever once you hit something very hard. They are way way way too soft over real bumps (not on the street)Another stupid thing ICON does is their shims are all 7/16” inner diameter. DO NOT RUN Icons if you like high speed desert beating.
Icons really are the original "Pre-Lander" shock so they go digressive largely to be better on vehicles with a little bit more constant load. Often times with a linear shock you have to run way stiffer springs or simply valve it a lot stiffer over to get the same stability under a load since they usually lack the low speed compression to really stabilize a lot of extra weight. The digressive valving is more a concession they make to be able to be paired lighter spring rates so they can still ride decent on stock weight vehicles while still being stable and supportive enough on vehicles that might have some additional constant load.
Would icon work with ram 1500 larime 2023?
Yes they would, they offer various stages.
Are the icon 2.0 rear shocks known for any type of.. very slow speed noise like a creaking. Just got mine installed about 3 weeks ago and when im parking in my garage or a lot i can hear them creaking.. but once i go faster the 5mph there’s nothing
If it's for sure the shock and not either the rear leafs (assuming it's a leaf sprung vehicle) or the sway bar, just buy some silicone spray lube, jack up the rear end to extend the shocks, wipe them down, then hit the shaft with the lube and cycle it a few times. Sounds like the seal sticking slightly. Suspension components creak over time so having a can to hit up the contact areas helps.
Thanks! I hit the leafs with some liquid grease, they’re quite. Its for sure the shocks. Ill get some silicone spray lube 👍🏻
Thanks Mrskyentist for the info as well. Sometimes the top mount on the Icon shocks (if we're talking about a toyota platform here) dont get fastened right, check that too.
Yes its a 21 tacoma
The shop i went to applied grease idk where exactly, on the top part of the shock. The creaking has decreased about 98%
I noticed you didn't address what I'm seeing all over the net and what I hear from my shop, that Icon has issues with seals blowing, leaking or however its characterized. I was planning a stage 6 from icon when I was hipped to the issue and from what I understand it's all over the driving spectrum, on road daily driver to beating them up offroad. So I started looking elsewhere and I'm leaning towards the Fox 2.5 dsc performance elites but I didn't see those on your site for the 5th gen 4runner.
We've heard the same thing as well, but dont actually see it in the real world. Stuff like that goes through us before it goes to Icon for repair, and we rarely have those issues - and when they do arise, Icon usually handles it quickly.
Depending on how much high speed performance you're after, there's still quite a few really good options - SDI EClik, OME BP51, Dobinsons MRR, Kings of course. SDI is probably the best there is honestly, newest option, but electronic ride control front to back, for only a little more than a Fox 2.5 Performance Elite setup.
The Fox Performance Elite aren't available yet for the 4Runner, waiting on Fox for those and they haven't released any information or part numbers yet. They're having a hard enough time filling orders on the Tacoma, Bronco, and Silverado platforms - so they're quite behind.
One of my icon 2.5 coilovers that are just 2 years old in my vehicle is leaking. It's not even 50k miles yet which means icons are prone to leaking compared to others. I'll be looking at other brands of shocks but I will miss the plush and comfortable ride though
Needing service by 50k sounds about right, Fox and especially King will require the same. These performance 2.5 shocks need service, their internals are made for a certain amount of heat cycles. If you want something super durable and dont require service, go with Bilstein 5100, Eibach 2.0, maybe Dobinsons - they claim very little service requirement
So if I went Eibach 2.0 coil over kit would icon arms be considered low maintenance as well and how longe do they last? Do you need a diff drop as well? Thanks
All parts fail. Performance parts need more maintenance to remain high performance. High end mods is pay to play or learn to DIY, then it's pay to buy tools lol.
The only "long life" option is Bilstein. The eibachs may last as well, jury is still out there. That said, even bilsteins can fail on day one, and every shock has its limitations which is the responsibility of the operator to remain within.
Hello. I should like a shock with a firm behavior ( actually I ride Bilstein 7100 with 400/100 valving rate). The Icon 2.0 IVD206514 will adjust to my needs?
Thanks in advance
Icon does not list specific valving specs like Bilstein does, but that does have what they call their HDRV valving so at the very least it should be similar to the Bilstein. With that said that 7100 is user revalvable so I would probably spend the time tuning it stiffer than buying shocks that might not have the valving you are looking for.
Note for Icon CDEV is available but its for IPhone only :
When you did you actually sell out when by using high quality products rather those old shitty rancho shocks. I certainly would have sold out after watching those old rancho and bilstein crap suspension videos. The new ones are at 1000 ñ
And the did you did with King, Icon and the other top of the line of the lines.
So the bilstein 4600 I have on my Sequoia feel really firm . I don’t off road just want a cushier rear suspension. Would these provide a better ride for the sequoia ? Or is fox better suited for a cushier ride c
Fox 2.0 would be softer than the Bilstein, but not sure they offer for the Sequoia.