Every song with HEAVY LOW END should use this compression trick
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This video is extremely valuable for electronic music producers making songs with heavy low end / sub frequencies.
Zack (and moose) will share a quick and easy compression trick can be done with pretty much any modern compressor (any plugins plugins like the glue compressor + stock, even hardware), and it will allow you to get a more balanced sounding result from your master chain.
Keep in mind, this video is aimed to solve a specific problem...low end and how it influences the sound of your compression. There will be plenty of time to make other videos going over specific compressor settings, like attack and release, if that's what you desire 😎
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One of the most important aspects of compression especially on a master!
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I usually go with a multiband compressor, takes a while to get used to all the possibilities but it can truly be game changing when mastering
This is so important! I love that the Glue and SSL bus compressors have low pass filters for detection. I use them often!
Yessss!! Always a nice feature to have for modern mixes/production!!!
just discovered your channel! Really, really good content! Straight to the point with nice talking speed
Really appreciate you saying that! 👊♥️
Kick on small speakers are hearable in 1-3 khz which compressor and limiters are eventually gonna react to.
On the money! Great work and to the point!
Thanks! ♥️👊
I think the problem is that the peaks in your master shouldn't even have been this inconsistent in the first place. You need to make use of clipping to bring down the crest factor of your transient heavy elements before it even hits the mastering stage. Even if you internally high pass your mastering compressor, you're still going to run into the same problem later on when you try and push your track in the limiting stage.
Buddy any chance we can chat further on this topic?
Great tips!
honestly i like the pumping better for those genres cause it emphasizes that kick even more
flat tracks often sound well flat
I totally agree with you on that! But I’d also say we would never compress enough on the master though to turn a “pumping” production, into a “flat” master. If the final version sounds too flat, that’s normally not from the master…it’s because the production lacked dynamics. I’m absolutely overcompressing in this video to show the example. If I did the normal 1-2db reduction we would’ve never heard the difference 😌
You have great content. Very precise and on point tackling of issues. Quicly becoming my favourite tutorial channel. Moose is obviously a strict but righteous timelord. And has you working hard. Anyway lots of thanks!
Love the way you explain, now everything is clear ❤
👊♥️ thanks!! Means a lot
Total beginner here, but from the beginning I learned mastering with Maximus (FL studio stock multiband compression). It pretty much does the same thing right, because you can compress bass, mid and highs separately 🤔
Yes!! MB compressors are great too!! The added control over each frequency band can get you a much better compression sound
You can increase the knee as well for less pumping
100%!! So many ways to achieve similar results!! Really comes down to knowing the possibilities and going with what sounds best ♥️👊
Thanks a lot man, this fixed a real problem in my track. Simple trick but very effective.
omg... its so simple now you say that... why didn't I realise this before?!
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VEry, pumpy, LIKE ,this ..
AMAZING!!! Direct to the point. Well done.
Thank you!! Much appreciated 👊♥️
Thank U
very underrated tip here! That track though 👌
Hahahaha thanks!! 👊♥️
Super important and explanation spot on 👍🏻
Thanks!! 👊♥️
Thanks 👍 very useful tip
But what if i do prefer pumping sound of this example?
DANG that's an insane tip thank you!
Great tip, thanks💪🏼
You’re welcome! ♥️👊
The problem is... I really like that pumping sound tho :)
Game changing
♥️ makes a big difference if you haven’t been utilizing it!! Hope it goes well!
Great advice
Should I compress again -1db for the bass?
Can i rather use a multiband compresor? like the MB?
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@Jarxiel absolutely! Another option for sure.
I don't think I fully understand... If we do this the lower end will not get compressed? Is this what we are aiming for here? If we were doing it in MB we would put less compression on lower end and more compression on higher frequencies?
The filter just affects the signal that the compressor "sees" to decide whether to compress or not. But once it is triggered, the whole signal gets compressed, including the bass
But you take the pump away ? Why ? It sounds flat, even if u turn up the volume
we need video about crossover points in something like this, multiband processor can destroy our transients?with this trick also?
I think you’re talking about how the crossover points on a MB compressor can cause phase shift and change our sound? This doesn’t act the same way because it’s only for detection purposes. It’s not filtering your actual signal like a MB compressor is.
You guys going to drop that track? It’s a banger
Hahaha it’s currently just a song on the ol hard drive
Why is the release time so long? Shouldn't it be shorter when compressing the master channel? Great video btw!
Thanks! 👊♥️ There are no special attack and release times when it comes to mastering. Although you usually don’t want to be too quick on either. Too fast of a release can cause low end pumping. For a more aggressive track id probably end up with a faster release than I did here. This BPM was also on the slower side. So yeah haha release sounded nice there!
I’m also slamming this compressor pretty hard for the sake of demonstration…wanted the audible effects to be obvious to many. Can def do another video in the future on dialing in other settings!
or use multiband comp
Another option, 100%! There’s no “one way” because each way provides different results. The right result is what ultimately sounds best! 👊♥️
I would do my pumping way before the master if needed, it is not at that stage one would decide to "make it pump" 😂
But if we have a limiter at the end of master chain, the same thing will happen again 🤔
That can def happen if your mix isn't properly balanced! A whole different video and topic haha. We actually spend several hours in our bootcamp covering that exact scenario...how to get your kick and bass to succeed at the master limiter level so they arent being squashed. Regardless, you still want to do this with your compressor because this comes before the master limiter in the signal chain. You want to be limiting the best sounding version of your mix. ❤️👊
Where can i listen to your songs? Love that climax
Appreciate it! This isn’t a released song! Just one of the many on my hard drive 😂 I haven’t been releasing music for quite some time…spending most of my time working with our students and helping them! ♥️👊
Awesome! Is this option also available in Ozone 8?
I don’t have ozone 8 to know for sure! I’m pretty sure they have a multiband compressor which can produce similar results because of the added control!
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What is the name of this song? 🔥🔥
No name for it currently 😂 just a song on my hard drive haha
You need to release it ASAP 😄!!! 💃🎶💃@@TheCosmicAcademy
The best solution wouldnt be simply using multiband compressor? What's more - whats the point of using compressor on the master? Clipper and limiter(or even 2 limiters) doesnt do the thing? Lastly - very nice and aesthetic editing :)
Thank you!! To try and answer your question (which is always tough in a comments section haha) MB comps are 100% an option!
However, with production and mixing you want to avoid thinking of things as a "best" solution because its always case by case. MB compressors do introduce filtering to separate the bands, which can absolutely change the sound of your signal. That may not be ideal in a certain situation. This method does not. Again, one is not better than the other...they're just multiple ways to approach a similar end result!
As far as clippping/limiting, they're also used to control dynamics on a master but in a much more exaggerated form because they have extremely high ratios. We usually use them on the end of our chain to achieve max loudness without crossing 0db. They also don't provide the same "sound" compression does (because we typically use makeup gain on a compressor to bring up the quiet parts). Long winded answer but hope that helps some! Appreciate you watching and dropping the questions! 👊
Kick on small speakers are hearable in 1-3 khz which which compressor and limiters are eventually gonna react to.
I joined your class but no response.want to learn those stuffs so bad
MB
100% another option!
I like those videos but in this one I don't think it illustrates the technique too well. A 2-3 dB pump is hard to hear in its own right, but here you're replacing it with a 2 dB reduction signal which is only about 50% to 100% faster. That's not really an easy difference to spot. I think it would have been better to have a much deeper pump from the bass drum and a much lesser reduction envelope from the higher frequencies. That way you could compare what's going on easily. As it is I am struggling to hear the difference at all, and I honestly don't think I heard it.
I think you also sell this technique as something one should always do, whereas bass pump is crucial to most electronic genres. So it would make sense to tell people to do it only if their specific genre is of the kind that doesn't benefit from a pump, such as pop music, lounge, chillout, downtempo, etc. You definitely shouldn't be removing the pump on any house, techno, or similar..
Thanks for the video though. It was a fun one none the less. The principle is well explained. It's just difficult to hear what's going on. Appreciate your work.
So there is something that called multi band, I'm pretty sure you know that, also there's there is something that called ozon
multiband compressors are another tool that can be used on a master for compression! absolutelyyyy. always comes down to sifting through your toolbox to find the right one for the job! there's never just "one way" to do things!
hahahha you know that this is different from MB comp right? MB comp react to a freq range and compress ONLY THAT range.... a compressor with a filter REACTS to the freq range you want, and compresses THE WHOLE spectrum.... the filter is only used as the trigger...
@Alexzb6x I'm just said mb is much flexible, you have much more control, also you can just use the whole spectrum with one band and it does the same function
@@Prison_Mike8931 I think you are not getting it, specially cuz, yes, there's a way to do the same thing with MB, but tbh it sucks hahaha, the way the slope works and the shape of the gain reduction goes, it's not the same, what you saw in this video is liberally something you should do with a basic compressor, not a MB
@@Alexzb6x at the end of the day it's all about shaping a volume, no matter what you use but I'm pretty sure you can do all of this stuff with even simple stuck daw eq
it sounds ugly and worse than without detection filtering because you ruins low end by this compression