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Hi David. In which mixing course(s) can I find these settings, these tricks for low ends?
EDM?
I'm thinking of buying a 12 inch sub from Eve Audio too even if the 3070 that I have reproduces 30 hertz not too bad.
This will help me better understand what is happening in the sound.
THANKS
Cool, thanks for using my mix on this video David! I took your advice from the mix feedback you gave and it helped a lot! This pretty much highlights why I need better sub monitoring. None of my playback systems could reproduce that well enough for me to detect it as an issue.
Can we get a song id? Sounds amazing
@@GR3DGE which one? The 1st I don't remember, something I mastered for a client. The 2nd and 3rd is Bella Kelly czcams.com/video/Vzag8oKVn08/video.htmlsi=gxNLZqFnczpsz64m
This is why I love SPAN the free spectrum analyzer. There are a ton of youtube tutorials on how to use it also.
Dave genuinely gives you the good stuff. If you deal with such low hz then this is critical. You can look at it like the Fletcher curve but for energy.
This video is so timely for me. I decided just this weekend to get serious about fixing my bass lines to satisfaction and spent all night trying to figure out why my bass is either too nasal sounding or hollow or just out of control. I want it to feel like a ball I can pass back and forth in my hands if that makes sense. Powerful but with boundaries and controllable. Thanks for the tips! I will keep this info in mind today as I continue.
Every time you think you can't top the information on this channel you make a video like this. Hat off David
Not only that, but i have come across many projects in the past (both mine and from other artists) who boost way too much their low end, thus reducing drastically their dynamic range available for a balanced mix. It's insane how less is more most of the time when speaking about sub bass frequencies. I will say however that your video explains this in such simple yet advanced manners, i always come back to your videos for a little "knowledge refresh" :)
Dude, you are a living Cyberpunk 2077 character. Neato!
No other channel like this one, nobody talk about the things you find here. That simple. Thank you D!
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i don't know anyone who can explain complex subjects this clearly and to the point like you do
Thanks a lot for this super advice!!! Great video!
Thank you, thank you David...this was very helpful.
What a great video. No one is teaching this but you. Thanks man.
Simple formula: David teaches, I listen. 💯🙌🏻🔥
Thanks for this video! Really appreciate the valuable & practical instruction and advice you give here! I am becoming a big fan of your channel and will check out some courses!
Great video! I was thinking about creating a separate project where I add in the sub after the track is mastered but your explanation makes it clear that the issue isn’t with the imbalance of levels within the daw but the speakers being overloaded in the lows. So even if I did that the sub would still need to be balanced for it to move the speakers properly. Thanks a lot of this one!
Thanks for the lesson...really helpful and informative.💎💎💎💎
Great video Man.. Im so glad you speak out about all the talk about cutting the master at 30 & 40. Great video. Ya you shook my walls and was killer clean. Crazy.. ya sounds BA
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I always think of it in terms of the fundamental being the absolute, and the harmonics being the relative. The fundamental hits a set level determined by the vibe of the song, and the harmonics just get saturated to the point where they show up in the right places (adding density, being able to determine notes clearly on smaller speakers, appropriate aggressiveness etc) outside of the sub region.
Excellent tips here. All of my mixing is live work, and a lot of the time when people bring along backing tracks for their performances, I need to fix something on the low end...by a lot of the time, I mean almost all the time. In my smallest rig I'm typically using at least two 18" subwoofers, so they have no trouble recreating the low end. When it's uncontrolled, it's simply too much. I love bass that shakes the walls (who doesn't) but it still needs to be controlled.
Thanks so much David! 🙏🏼 blessings
Couldn't have said it any better... amazing teaching skills...🖤🖤🖤
Great video, I actually had this exact problem earlier today. My mix had a lot of sub bass and while it was okay on my big speakers everything broke apart when I tested it on a small JBL speaker. After a while I figured that I could drastically lower the volume of the sub bass and it still sounded cool (and more controled) on my big speakers while translating much better to other systems.
Highly appreciated - thank you !
You came on the right time David, i've been sttruggling with how much of low endo to put on a mix and had been working on a error and trial game until get a good result. Thanx for helping me to think!!
Amazing video! Love the enthusiasm, thanks!
Your cideos are authentic asf I watched all these other videos and after watching you I'm doing EVERY track I ever made all over again lol mixing is a lot more fun when u know what you doing thanks bro
Thanks for sharing this gem!
Bro I swear u go so indepth with ur videos ur the best and most genuine I'll admit, from u did that video on how to calculate the return delay from outboard gear 🎯
Great video and explanation, David. Appreciate it!
" Sub range is very expensive to monitor "...DAMN!!!
Once again great content, thanks for sharing this!
this is so true... big base bottoms = amplified base...rocket scientist not needed ... A&B a reference track in headphones....notice how you can hear the song without your ears closing... when you play your mix if your ears close even a little bit then its too much energy around 30... just lower it until your ears breath.... I agree with this content
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Agreed 100% but…why doesn’t this generation know how to spell? Base and bass are two different things. May seem picky but at some point, we gotta hold *correction* eachother accountable. Base not= bass. 🙄
Yeah, very true. I am always surprised how little lowend some of my favorite artists/mixes have compared to my mixes before I start to really balance everything.
no need to be technical buddy .... no one's talking about drugs or baseball...... perhaps maybe that was an auto text mistake ..... stay in context of the conversation please @TFE_JxxP
@@dennismilton5210 i inderstand the auto-correct thing. It was a poke to liven things a bit from my end. But 1. What are you mad for… I agreed with you. 2. Mixing is about technicality. 3. There’s a reason the comment was liked multiple times. Don’t play with me. The fact remains, Bass and Base are two different things. Get out of your feelings because you used the wrong word. Chi-Chi Man. If someone continues to call you Donald after you introduced yourself as Dennis, would you correct them or nah?👀 well okay then.
What a great video. Very important topic for EDM stuff. Thank you!
Bought a sub a few years ago. Best purchase you can do for not ideal situations. Feeling the bass is incredible and exciting. I only have my sub set to approximately 1.5 dB. Enough for my situation to complement my 8 inch and enough to mis it when bypassed.
Top video! Thank you David
I just love the pasion this videos have! Absolute great advise!
One of the best videos David!
Thank you very, VERY much, David! You're truly THE COOLEST for sharing this.
Tremendo, me hiciste escuchar todo lo que decís, en unos monitores pequeños de 5´. Suena increible el tema del final. Gracias por compartir éste conocimiento de manera pedagógica y clara.
Boss moves always, cheers Dave, Legend
Great tips here! Thank you. I think I learned it from one of your other videos, but I use a shelf and not a HPF for controlling my low end to still leaving some sun intact to avoid a weak sounding mix. Using reference tracks to get my sub levels in the ball park helps tremendously versus trusting my ears… mine are little liars that say everything sounds good when in fact, my mixes are typically trash until I use a reference track.
Information plus passion! Brilliant.
Great video! Thank you!
Yo David, I support your job since long time and this explanation is excellent !!! 👍
Thanks you so much. I was having issues with low end in my mixes. I only have 6 inch drivers in the studio monitors and good room treatment. I have a good sub downstairs and one in the car. But having to mix and then drag the files downstairs to play it only to find the bass isn't right, then go back upstairs and remix and then do that cycle multiple times was becoming a real pain. Other CZcams mix tutorials all talk about using headphones etc. But I just finally decided you have to hear and feel the low end from 60hz down. There's no option other than having a 12 inch driver. And the last thing I want is to get my song played on some mega system at a club only to find out the low end is out of control. So I decided - 'You cant mix what you cant hear'. And the simple truth is it's gonna take some money to hear it. Not that much, but some. Thanks David!
This makes total sense, and is also the reason why Bass players will mix a 1x15 cab and another cab that might be 4x10 or even 6x8 because the big speaker handles the low lows, and keeps the rest of the range cleaner, whilst the smaller speakers handle the mids and above. Great video David, despite already knowing this about bass guitar my brain had not actually made the connection in the context of Mixing
To put it simply, large speakers handle low end better. But because of their mass, they don't translate.higher frequencies well. They have so much inertia, that they will just overshoot or not reverse polarity fast enough. That's why you'll have cabinets with two or more drivers and a cross-over filtering for each driver.
The 5% difference can also be continued with the car analogy where once you reach a point of diminishing returns you end up paying thousands of pounds/dollars for that 5% of performance that will set you above the rest, this is a good way to think about how important that 5% really is which also emphasises the importance on translating that to every aspect of the mix to the best of your ability.
Some great knowledge as always. 👍👍👍👍
Sublime.
Fino como empanada de polenta, thanks David.
Great video David!
That’s great advice. I’ve found over the years that memorizing the visual representations of healthy EQ curves from different genres is very helpful for low end management.
Thx bro - your channel kicks ass!
Cutting frequencies at 30Hz can potentially free up headroom in your mix, especially if there's unwanted low-frequency rumble or noise in your audio. Removing unnecessary low-end content can prevent your mix from becoming cluttered and make it easier to control the overall balance.
However, it's essential to use EQ judiciously and not overdo it, as excessive cutting in the low end can make your mix sound thin.
Always use your ears to judge what frequencies need adjustment, and remember that the impact on headroom is just one aspect of the mix.
Anything lower than 40 and lower than the key of E in the 1st position you will not hear on sound systems or headphones of the day, but PA's will pick it up because they have sub bass.
@@b00ts4ndc4ts With calibrated headphones you can easily hear/feel everything except below 20hz. It is smart to plan your tracks fundamental notes (usually kick tail etc) to not go under E because the sub is vibrating so slow that it's going to eat every other hz coming from the massive PA. What comes to cutting in master, like unknownunknown said, it can potentially free up some headroom, but cutting with really sharp slope may introduce resonance or ringing depending if the eq is linear or not.
@@laine1967 when I mix I look at it like building a house and then renovating it. I make sure everything has the room it needs by using eq.
I don't have the money for the right headphones to mix, so I make do with my monitors, but I one of the lucky ones because I have the use of a music venue PA to check my mix
@@b00ts4ndc4ts Using Sonarworks Sound Reference ID combined with Goodhertz Can Opener did miracles for my mixing. It works even with budget headphones. There are some nice tutorials for this combo. Can't recommend enough. Still also using big PA like you to check the final balance hehe :)
Great video. It seems like sub energy that sustains def needs to be reduced with low shelf, fader rides, compression etc. But shorter bursts of sub energy can be bigger in the mix--but still managed with the above tools--because their shortness prevents them from swallowing up the rest of the mix.
dope dope dope release this man dope stuff
thanks for the gems once again! 💎💎💎
Quality stuff 👊🏾
Redlining an engine and the performance dropping is the best explanation I have heard. Thank you
This video is a necessity. I appreciate this Bro.
ayy yall don't be cutting no balls off your mix now 🤣🤣🤣 Thank you for this Gem David
I imagined that in a southern accent and it broke me
@@JoeyFTLhahahahahha 😂
A must see! Essential lesson, bro!
this is an incredible treatise on low end mixing...you summed up in a few minutes what took me years of trial and error. very very on point.
Just a helpful set of solutions that worked for me:
The trick for me was to compress the lower frequencies of heavy bass producing instruments (kick, bass etc...) from 50hz to below . but before you can do this you need 2 things and BOTH are necessary:
1) CORNER bass traps to discern the SUB frequencies by attenuating the lower frequencies below 80hz
2) Large speakers...Yes its true...if you dont have large speakers (8" and above) You cant hear or better yet feel the frequencies down there
NOTE: I also, Hi pass the bass (30hz and above) and kick (35hz and above) and other instruments depending on the needs of the mix.
Excellent info-thx - cheers!!! 👍👍👍
Thank you!!! David :) You are our Forever Guru!!! ♥
That's why I always put on the sub while working. I use an ADAM Sub 15 with ATC SCM45 Pro's and 2nd set are smalle Dynaudio BM12's. The sub is not loud at all. In fact sometimes you wonder if it's there at all. It's to extend the low, not crank it up. Sure I always check without sub too but I really detect too much low sooner than later. Thanks for the tips!
WOW!! Best advise I've seen on low end. Can not thank you enough for this. My mixing just did a 180.
And this is why you're the best
very good at explaining his logic behind what he does.
Yeah, my speciality, when it comes to mixing! Deep punch hitting fine-tuned bass!
Great video David.
Sub/Bass in sound design is something I battle with and it's what you don't hear that gets difficult with a limited set up.
That TC electronic analyser really kicks ass. Selecting a peak at 31hz like that is something I've never seen.
Never castrate a mix XD
The best video about low end!💯👏🏻👏🏻
I really love this video. I've been paying closer attention to my low end as of lately. Not sure who's does this this but i like to reference my mixes and I'll lightly touch the cones of my yamahas with my fingertips so I can feel the sub it's reproducing and compare and contrast and I'll do this at low volume so I'm getting a more accurate depiction.
Good video, thanks!
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this was sick! thanks a ton
Thanks for this, I decided to use my monitors built in high pass filter and let the sub do the heavy lifting. They do seem to be more detailed in the mids now
Davvvviddd! ... you Legend! This is so good to watch and absolutely has more clarity than your TC Electronics unit! 😁🙌🏻
Top work as alway, mate!
Big luv from Queenstown, NZ.
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Great Advice!
"Sub range is very expensive to monitor correctly" ... such a good quote.
I love your channel..had to come back to this video! What’s your opinion on side chain eq? I don’t think I’ve seen you speak on this. :)
Amazing vid David! Would love a video about hard vs soft knee compression and when you use it, I feel like it’s one of the least explained & understood compressor controls
My very first series in probably 2016 has it all. The playlist is called ultimate compression tutorial or something like that
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One of my all time favorite videos!
Really great video, man. I actually kind of realized this on my own years ago but haven't thought about it for years because I have a pretty nice system that pretty much never distorts no matter how loud I play it or how low the bass gets, but I definitely remember experiencing these issues back in the day when I had smaller, lower quality speakers and no subwoofers. I love that you got so worked up about people cutting the deep lows out of a mix, I also don't approve. Those are so essential to the low end sounding proper, even if you have no content that's strong at 40hz and below, cutting it does something to ruin the impact of your low end. Especially if you use a steep slope while cutting them out.
Wow! So great to be able to actually see what's happening down there. My stuff (indie rock) doesn't have much happening down below 40hz, but I think what's been helping me is using izotope tonal balance control. Because my monitors are small I rely on it to show me if there's too much low end down there compared to my references. There's also Sonible smart:balance that I think there's a review of on this channel I meant to check out.
The timing of this video, for me personally, couldnt be any more flawless even if you tried! 😅 Ive been working on a mix for a while, mainly using it as a learning/experimemtal mix. And Im at the very end of it and have been playing with the low end and just experienced similar problems as what your covering. So Ill be sending it to you shortly (1-2 days). But this High Pass hype is wild man! I suppose its one of the pro's to not going to school for audio or working directly under someone with set ways. And if you have decent discernment your pretty good at separating good from BS info online. So I have never high passed or cut frequencies just because. Of course Im definitely not saying that I do it all perfectly either 😂! Your a God send to me bro! Thank you!
Gold!
Excellent.
Truth!
Hit it out the park on this one🎶
Great video thanks. Btw, what is your studio desk brand ?
Totally right
Wow, what a great advice Bro Bro 🤘
Very easy to hear the low end take over and distort. I get a lot of hip hop tracks delivered this way ;) People never like to hear this when I mention it to them, I blame it on music produced primarily on laptops lol When I let them listen to it in the studio they get it. Speaker excursion baby! Great vid!
Good advice! Also very very important to consider is the choice of notes for your bass. In the first mix, it might've been wiser to use the same note one octave up to make sure it gets heard on all systems.
Gotta hate when you can only hear the 2nd harmonic and up... Wish there weren't SO many speakers like that.
Great advice as always David, absolutely agree. But I figured out that a low-cut SOMETIMES can do well on particular scenarios or genres, like EDM and electronic music without losing the desired wight. Just would like to hear if you never do any low cuts on a master bus, or low frequency instrument busses, or even on the bass source channels itself ? Do you control the lows with dynamics and levels only ? Of course with some EQ moves, sidechain and saturation when needed I guess. From my experience in some cases the low end can sound even tighter and still powerful when cutting the master bus. But I´m also aware about pre-ringing in linear phase mode, or phase shifting in regular eq´s. I know some guys are using low shelves instead of low-cuts to avoid phase issues, but on the other hand sometimes I can achieve a tight and powerful low-end even by using (”forbidden”) steep cut filters, f.e. more then 24db/oct. I still remember the rule: the steeper the filter the bigger the problems, but like I said, sometimes it works for me. That's why I´m asking if this is a general rule for you to never cut the master bus ? So maybe its time for me to overthink my experience completely and never have to deal with pre-ringing and phase stuff on the lows again. Thanks man, high value content at all !
Let me ask you this question: Are the results you get from your choices supporting the song? If so, then you're doing it right. Of course we all have our own opinions on the "proper" way to mix a song. But lets take a step back and realize, we all have our own opinions and nobody can tell another person the right way. If your choices make the song better, then continue doing what you do. It's as simple as that to be honest.
And I agree with you with cutting some low end to tighten up the sub frequencies. It's allowing your speakers to work more efficiently. Your speakers have to vibrate at a certain rate based on the harmonic content it's projecting from its tweeter and woofer. Imagine you are mixing a song and there's energy around 30hz on a kick which isn't doing much at all for the intelligibility of the kick drum. Well, by keeping that 30hz energy, you're telling your woofer to 'push and pull' at an unnecessary rate. So if you roll off those unnecessary frequencies around 30hz, you're allowing your speaker to work on the MOST IMPORTANT frequencies of the kick drum. This means you'll get a more defined kick drum.
As far as using low shelves instead of low cut filters goes... That's a personal preference. Phase shift normally isn't an issue because if it was, we would avoid EQ since that's how EQ works (by shifting phase). So unless you EQ something and hear some smearing occurring or something weird, why would you worry about the effects of a tool you choose to use? That's like driving a car and worrying about catching a red light. Phase shift isn't necessarily a bad thing unless it causes issues in what you're hearing. And in that case, of course you're going to do something different. Also remember, phase shift is part of a "sound"! Just like old circuitry on vintage gear had negative side effects.... It still gave desirable results despite its flaws.
So to answer your question... Should you roll off low end on a kick drum or should you not? The answer is, it depends on the song and the results you and the artist are aiming for. Both ways can work.
Thank you 🙏🏾
Thank you so much for this brother, you are an absolute LEGEND, I hope you know this. Such a wealth of knowledge with very articulated explanations any one on any level can understand, thankyou and God Bless❤️❤️
🙏 happy to help!
Easily one of the best low end mix videos on the internet. And there are a LOT haha. This is especially important becuase of lot of genres these days really do benefit from extended low end down to crazy frequencies like 30 or 40 or even lower. The other thing that I think is important is how much sub is in your kick. Its impossible for us to process sub energy in a quick, articulate nuanced way but when you have a spaced out kick pattern like that its nice to have that little sub tail. In your mixes I felt that sub tail a lot more, again I think because of how controlled your sub bass was. I feel like theres been a lot of focus on sidechaining sub frequencies to make room in the kick, which is useful but really can't stand on its own
Hi David! I agree in 100% 👍
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