Not a SCAM! These RC Cars Really are this CHEAP!

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  • Top 10's are always fun, and always have many many comments telling me I missed something. We all have our own Top 10's :) Anyway, that aside... there are some crazy deals going on! These deals are not a Scam!
    (Prize Comp Now Closed)
    raffall.com/tomleyrc
    $149.99 Losi RC Drag Car:
    $199 Arrma Vendetta: alnk.to/8iRUai5
    $69.99 Drag Car Roller: alnk.to/6mNzp27
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  • @TomleyRC
    @TomleyRC  Před 10 měsíci +18

    $149.99 Losi RC Drag Car: alnk.to/4BDZAii
    $199 Arrma Vendetta: alnk.to/8iRUai5
    $69.99 Drag Car Roller: alnk.to/6mNzp27

    • @GhostRyderFPV
      @GhostRyderFPV Před 10 měsíci +4

      Sir, you are _legally required_ to say *Nice* after mentioning that combination of numbers, it's CZcams Law.
      (And what an absolute steal. I'd love to see a lineup of a typical AWD basher against one of the dragsters in a typical dusty parking lot)

    • @v3nom298
      @v3nom298 Před 10 měsíci

      I know you don't like traxxas, I'm not a fan boy either, but would be interested in a swap my 8s xmaxx (newest) that I've used once (and not broken) for your xrt. Then you can either destroy it or raffle it and still make your money back, as I don't have the following for raffles 😢

    • @Raycefan
      @Raycefan Před 10 měsíci

      Wait so, if I buy 9,327, how many do I get free?

  • @highestcreations276
    @highestcreations276 Před 46 minutami

    Respect to you Phil for not just telling your subs to buy as many tickets as they can. The prize comp is far over but still shows that you care about the hobby and your subs

  • @tracebrown9341
    @tracebrown9341 Před 10 měsíci +4

    But ain’t the Xmaxx is like the most durable stock rc truck in the market but I know that it is expensive but my opinion you need to pay a little bit more cash to have something that is worth keeping

  • @mangler.m4950
    @mangler.m4950 Před 10 měsíci +8

    My first Rc car was an RC10-T. It was the truck version but not much different. Its not my favorite rc because newer cars are just simply better. However, It is number one on my list because it got me started in the hobby. If it wasnt for the RC10-T, I may not have discovered this addiction... I mean hobby. It was gifted to be me when i was 6.

  • @jwilley1991
    @jwilley1991 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Dude! Thank you for the heads up on the Vendetta! I’ve been wanting one for a few weeks and this hit at just the right time.

  • @jalee6587
    @jalee6587 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Thanks for the losi drag car sale heads up! I ordered 5 summit losi drags and 4 of the losi pickup truck drag cars. When this sale ends these will sell for a lot more. Especially during the holidays. $149 is a liquidation sale. Just the electronics cost that much haha.

    • @SoulBrotherB
      @SoulBrotherB Před 10 měsíci

      no wonder they sold out so quick when you yourself bought 9, so much for anyone else, a biiig up yours back at ya, ya filthy scalper

    • @DystrophicEvolution
      @DystrophicEvolution Před 10 měsíci

      No wonder there was no stock. haha

  • @Pauly_______
    @Pauly_______ Před 10 měsíci +1

    I purchased the green vendetta and the red drag Camaro today. I still want more. Great deals!

  • @darrenowens1543
    @darrenowens1543 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Hi, bought 2 tickets for my son, he's very excited!
    Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend,glad you hit the 104 mph in his car I'm sure he would have loved to see it ❤

  • @tomconway6808
    @tomconway6808 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Yep I jumped on the Losi 22S yesterday when I saw how cheap the RTR was. It's a way better deal than the roller too because a body alone costs $40+

  • @jimcurt99
    @jimcurt99 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Ive been going back and forth lately on my next car/truck... I've only done Traxxas 1/10 and Losi minis so far. I saw the $199 Vendetta and my heart skipped... ordered RIGHT AWAY- thank you for helping me make up my mind!!!

  • @NBC_NCO
    @NBC_NCO Před 10 měsíci +2

    You should have done the top 1460.
    This way, I would be more curious how long the video actually is.
    Personally, I'm a fanboy of price point. ( how much can I get for X amount of $) and not necessarily name brand.

  • @cndhobbies5220
    @cndhobbies5220 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I just got ibto the rc drag racing and went for the losi 22s due to the sale price at being $200 usd, I was very impressed for the money. I ended up getting a couple more cause im designing a mid motor conversion for the losi. Yesterday I saw the pricing and its crazy... so I bought 2 more rollers

  • @craziestmonkey
    @craziestmonkey Před 10 měsíci +1

    I ordered my Vendetta from Tower about 3 hrs ago. I'm excited to finally try it out! Great share!

  • @myharryface
    @myharryface Před 10 měsíci

    Us nerds just like a solid rationale for understanding Top whatever lists. If it's just pure whim it makes our sphincters tight. And the ratio of tight sprinters to words typed is an inverse one. -- Keep doing it your way Phil!

  • @mikehoang2276
    @mikehoang2276 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I ordered vendetta last night in the USA $217 after tax shipped

  • @PhilipCockram
    @PhilipCockram Před 10 měsíci +11

    It was a good top ten .
    Some of these deals are worth it just for the parts , which are never on sale . Good thing to keep in mind if you run stuff hot and hard , 😉

    • @mankind8088
      @mankind8088 Před 10 měsíci +1

      I learned that real quick running every week...........if I see any of my builds or a clone model on sale just grab it for the parts alone and sell the stuff I don't need

    • @PhilipCockram
      @PhilipCockram Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@mankind8088 I know eh . and its not just normal wear and tear items like tires , bodies ect ....it never hurts to have some extra servos , motors and ESCs around for other projects too .

  • @thejeepinrealtor5742
    @thejeepinrealtor5742 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I need to replace the caster block on my mt8 currently as well 😂
    I KNOW it’s not a durable truck. But dang it if it isn’t just a fun little chunky guy to drive! 😅🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @Trevinator1990
    @Trevinator1990 Před 10 měsíci +6

    ordered both the vendetta in blue (i hope it arrives before october) and the camaro drag car. was going to get the roller, but by the time i put an esc and body on it (already have motor and servo) it would be more than the rtr! EDIT: also just ordered a roller to build up as well. 😄

    • @grrfy
      @grrfy Před 10 měsíci +1

      exactly same as what I did ! 😄

    • @mjrprojects9476
      @mjrprojects9476 Před 10 měsíci +7

      This is why I love this hobby and my wallet hates it! 😂🤣 Have fun with your new cars!

  • @rccrawlersmid-wales645
    @rccrawlersmid-wales645 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Ha, I saw some of the comments on that top ten and thought, "Oh FFS, grow up," and obviously it's not even my channel...

  • @zebedee147
    @zebedee147 Před 10 měsíci +1

    It's quite a passive aggressive gas lighting video 😂

  • @Shannon23455
    @Shannon23455 Před 8 měsíci

    My first nitro was the tr-15t. What a great truly.... Glad to see someone still has one.

  • @olafstrand9965
    @olafstrand9965 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Dude I commend you on your 10, I didn't agree with them as they popped up. Until you explained why and it made sense. Like you said your 10 :)

  • @SemiNormal42
    @SemiNormal42 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I live one hour away from Horizon so I get pretty good shipping times. 😅 I don't think they allow pickup unfortunately.

  • @tallpaul7657
    @tallpaul7657 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Omg that beatles bag was a nostalgia rush maaaan :D

  • @snapdiscgolf
    @snapdiscgolf Před 10 měsíci

    I hate to say it, but you really should get an XMaxx. I have spent thousands of dollars fixing broken RC cars over the years. I told myself I would never buy an XMaxx. Then, someone offered me one at a crazy price, so I picked it up. ...The thing is the most durable and fun RC "anything" I have ever had. In 2 years I have only had to replace one shock and 2 spur gears. It always puts a smile on my face when I jump it 20ft in the air. I think you're missing out if you stay away from the XMaxx. I should have picked one up a lot sooner than I did. The durability astonishes me.

  • @Jasta315
    @Jasta315 Před 10 měsíci +3

    I only think the xmaxx is the best rc car ever made because out of the 20 rc cars ive had, the xmaxx is by far the best one. Its not even close 🤷‍♂🤷‍♂

  • @tertianend
    @tertianend Před 10 měsíci

    My best buy was a 2001 Ofna Hyper 7 brand new in 2001 for £250 I still use it today 💪🏻 although it has now been highly modified and upgraded.

  • @waynemcardell8688
    @waynemcardell8688 Před 10 měsíci

    I’ve just ordered the the summit drag car and a ford 100 drag car (in the magnaflow) bought those cars including import for less than what I bought the infraction 3s from the UK on sale (sale price was £399) can’t wait to get them.
    As far as your top 10 concerned, totally agree infraction 6s at the number 1 spot 👍

  • @Rockatha
    @Rockatha Před 10 měsíci +1

    Shame there not available in the UK for this price.

  • @kyronrc
    @kyronrc Před 10 měsíci +1

    I agree, the XRT is a better car than the X-MAXX. It may be very durable, but i'd much rather go with the XRT or a Kraton 8s

  • @whipahoula
    @whipahoula Před 10 měsíci +1

    Ya the Vendetta and losi drag cars are being discontinued so they are on close out sale.

  • @Slikx666
    @Slikx666 Před 10 měsíci +2

    It's so nice to live upin the UK and get changed so much for something that costs so little. 🤬👍

  • @evanwillard2811
    @evanwillard2811 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Great video man question what’s the best brand for drag cars any brand just curious kinda want to get into racing

  • @christophernieves5440
    @christophernieves5440 Před měsícem

    Lunchbox really my first I remember was the grasshopper

  • @ciaranburke3243
    @ciaranburke3243 Před 10 měsíci +1

    So much lovely stuff would like to see what i think is an audi 200 behind the civic 👍

  • @andymerk6017
    @andymerk6017 Před 10 měsíci +1

    ordered summit Camaro today 😃

  • @jimthemeek4672
    @jimthemeek4672 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I enjoyed your top 10 video. It’s your top 10! Keep up the great content!!!

  • @richardpiper5840
    @richardpiper5840 Před 10 měsíci +1

    There was a local hobby store by where I used to live when I was a kid and I used to go stand around and watch them Drive The Lunch Box in the parking lot❤

  • @lmbakerracing
    @lmbakerracing Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thanks so much for the heads up on the sale, looks like I will have to wait on stock although at that price who cares

  • @willmoore5550
    @willmoore5550 Před 10 měsíci

    Ordered the Losi. Thanks!

  • @GSG-lc5zm
    @GSG-lc5zm Před 10 měsíci +1

    Hey Phil, I had an early 80s Toyota with the 22r motor stock or lifted to 31/33s it did way more than 60 mph... Is there a governor on it ? Diesel? I can't remember....
    Bouncy with that straight axle 😂
    Went everywhere. The only things that beat em were the samurai's.
    Can you guess what I bought next? LMAO 🤣

  • @philipgreensmith1694
    @philipgreensmith1694 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Phil, chuck electric power steering on the hilux.... I think it's corsa 'c' parts?!

  • @GhostRyderFPV
    @GhostRyderFPV Před 10 měsíci +2

    11?
    Ow. That hurt.

  • @rcmothertrucker
    @rcmothertrucker Před 10 měsíci +43

    It's your top 10.. we don't have to agree

  • @AllOrNoneR.C.
    @AllOrNoneR.C. Před 10 měsíci

    Entered. So cool that we can enter from the states. And super cool your doing it to begin with. Cheers from the Midwest USA

  • @troypostie1252
    @troypostie1252 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Congratulations on the Hilux Phil. Looking very sharp indeed

  • @MrJamesshipman
    @MrJamesshipman Před 10 měsíci +1

    But you did have the Traxxas summit.
    And I love my summit!!!

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Před 10 měsíci +1

    It was your top 10, Phil! No issue at all! 😊
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @sambushee9296
    @sambushee9296 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I'm buying a vendetta asap. That's a steal. Thanks for the heads up!

  • @beepjeep2004
    @beepjeep2004 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thanks I bought a vendetta finally.

  • @jeffboring6261
    @jeffboring6261 Před 10 měsíci

    After having owned 500+ RC's including 15 X-maxx's i can say 100% X-maxx is the best RC and no one has brainwashed me into thinking that. However it is a beast to carry around so i usually drive it at home while i prefer to take a 1/8 like the E-revo or kraton 6s to work with me or to the park.

  • @Dudek501
    @Dudek501 Před 10 měsíci

    Haha the Losi is 500$ where I live. The body alone costs 150$ here. 😆

  • @xhargh
    @xhargh Před 10 měsíci +1

    The losi roller USD69, shipping to Sweden USD64, tax USD34, and then unknown amount of customs and extra fees... I will only mention the base price to my wife if she asks

  • @TechWizMaster
    @TechWizMaster Před 10 měsíci +2

    Personally, if you don't have the traxxas TRX4 en 1st place you're doing it wrong 🤣

  • @paul707.7
    @paul707.7 Před 10 měsíci +1

    You said rc10 thats my vote. Thats were it all started brother i had 3 and a rc 10t.

  • @jmd7070
    @jmd7070 Před 10 měsíci

    😂The ONLY thing bad about the XMaxx is the price $$$

  • @audiquattrojamie
    @audiquattrojamie Před 10 měsíci

    Great video, lots to see… epic RC collection 👌🏻

  • @Stupidthingsrc
    @Stupidthingsrc Před 10 měsíci +1

    My eyes are always on point for some 24s and I see you have a Betty😮, I didn’t know you had one it definitely one to keep

    • @Stupidthingsrc
      @Stupidthingsrc Před 10 měsíci

      @@Sendmessage-2 oh my gosh another scam🤯😱

  • @TheUnknown714
    @TheUnknown714 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Does that apply to those that already bought tickets?

  • @Choof_86
    @Choof_86 Před 10 měsíci +1

    looking forward to the civic video😆

  • @TipoftheMitt69
    @TipoftheMitt69 Před 10 měsíci

    TAMIYA full sized Tamiya!!

  • @flyfly2427
    @flyfly2427 Před 10 měsíci

    Still waiting for traxxas to make next udr model so the original goes on sale, that's what I'm waiting for. Of course the newest model will outshine the old, but the original is nice.

  • @MrJoffster
    @MrJoffster Před 10 měsíci +1

    Really fancy a vendetta does taxes for the UK get added at the checkout cheers buddy

  • @n7sithis336
    @n7sithis336 Před 10 měsíci

    pretty nice deals but all useless to someone like me who lives 5 miles from the nearest town, gravel road to my house.
    I'm ordering the Arrma Infraction brushed this upcoming check, it's marked down from $350 to $150. Also picked up the Granite boost for 40-50 bucks off, not nearly as impressive of a deal but any Arrma platform for 200 or less is a steal IMO. The chassis is what you really want anyways, Spektrum electronics have proven to be quite bad and unreliable in my experience. Better to save some $$ by buying the boost and putting your own electronics in rather then getting the BLX, IMO.

  • @eoghanhennessy15
    @eoghanhennessy15 Před 10 měsíci

    Is there an easy way to see what you have for sale on marketplace?

  • @AndrewFerranRcjourneyz
    @AndrewFerranRcjourneyz Před 10 měsíci

    Nice inventory brother I wish

  • @billa3816
    @billa3816 Před 10 měsíci

    What model WL Toys is the orange buggy?

  • @aljensen7779
    @aljensen7779 Před 10 měsíci

    I had 15 tickets - the most I've ever bought. I was so absolutely certain that even with the huge odds of winning I was likely to be the first to say, congratulations, Arthur Margulies.

  • @alfredyost7972
    @alfredyost7972 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Hello Tomley, I live in the USA and I just ordered one of these kits. I really like the roller kit for $69.00 but I think the $149.99 deal is actually better. You get the car, painted body and all electronics for only $150.00. I even got free shipping because I live in the USA and buy things from Amain all the time. Thoughts?

  • @bradcross2
    @bradcross2 Před 10 měsíci +1

    A main are good as you showed they have some cheap gear

  • @fwc2771
    @fwc2771 Před 10 měsíci

    Alright, Tommy, love the videos. Will be keeping an eye on Alik for some deals. Do you know of any other websites that ship to the UK at decent prices? I know you want get the warranty but if the price is right, it can save us all some money.

  • @robertshelton2605
    @robertshelton2605 Před 10 měsíci

    How do you manage your transmitters and receivers when you sell your cars? That's my first mod on every Rc. Then when I sell one I can't remember the stock setup. Lol. I have limited space, so when I buy one I have to let another go.

    • @jasonbecker4997
      @jasonbecker4997 Před 10 měsíci +1

      I zip tie the receiver to the transmitter and put them on a shelf.
      I can get close enough just by the brand on them to get them back in the right car if I need.
      I have given one or two away to friends in need though.

  • @Paul0088
    @Paul0088 Před 10 měsíci +1

    going to try order now.

  • @perfectcutz4130
    @perfectcutz4130 Před 9 měsíci

    Hey man. I have a 2003 hilux 5L so no turbo. Slow as but an absolute monster off road. 2” lift 34s custom air box and snorkel etc blah blah… man hilux’s are sooo good. Anyway you should get bigger wheels and a lift kit 😂

  • @user-bb6oq7sc8x
    @user-bb6oq7sc8x Před 10 měsíci +1

    Love the Gtb😃

  • @michaeldorich4485
    @michaeldorich4485 Před 10 měsíci

    Great deals, thanks.

  • @jacobrjager
    @jacobrjager Před 10 měsíci

    Xmaxx is a beast, only RC I don't have to regularly repair and have drowned in lakes yet still runs right out of the water .. it's expensive but as of now is the best RC ever due to it's near indestructibility. It's one of the few RC's I've been able to send high inot the sky and get very little damage when it returns to the earth...

    • @Chris-xo2rq
      @Chris-xo2rq Před 10 měsíci +1

      Same. I'm not sure why Tomley doesn't like them. It's damn near indestructible. Obviously Kev destroys them regularly but how many people are launching them 25 feet in the air off of skate park ramps? My Xmaxx is the only RC car I don't worry about crashing because a crash almost never results in a repair, and if you don't worry about breaking it you can have a lot more fun with it.

    • @jacobrjager
      @jacobrjager Před 10 měsíci

      @@Chris-xo2rq the only damage I have on mine is from the skatepark but I'm regularly sending mine full throttle into vertical jumps that reach up to 60 feet high. Twice I've lawn darted and now the front bulkhead is slightly bent (not enough to replace) and the bumper is literally held together with silicone tape....i haven't even replaced the hubs with the larger bearing ones even though I bought them thinking it'd be a problem but I haven't had the bearings self destruct...yet. mine is still stock except for the tape and tires. Got belted tires and never looked back.

    • @Chris-xo2rq
      @Chris-xo2rq Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@jacobrjager Interesting I heard the belted tires are too heavy for it so I stuck with stock but they keep separating. What tires did you get, I'll need to replace them soon and would like to try yours.

    • @jacobrjager
      @jacobrjager Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@Chris-xo2rq I have the Duratrax Bandito tires for the skate park and the hatchets for dirt. They are a bit heavier but not enough to be a real problem. The main issue is the expense but they have lasted so much longer than the stock ones so far (a year of almost daily use with the Bandito tires). Worth the expense if you can find them.

  • @polarlondon
    @polarlondon Před 10 měsíci

    I had to grab the Vendetta at that price. I'm in the UK and this is a proper bargain.

  • @ravenlorans
    @ravenlorans Před 10 měsíci +1

    I joined the channel to hear more about Cars/Trucks from Banggood and Other Sites like it. What Happen to those?

  • @Ricardormrr
    @Ricardormrr Před 10 měsíci +1

    why are we here in europe allways not getting these amazing deals :(

  • @Dakmaxx1218
    @Dakmaxx1218 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Does the buy 2 get 2 count if we already bought?

  • @grrfy
    @grrfy Před 10 měsíci

    Just when I thought I didn't need any more RC cars..They Drag(ahem..geddit?) me back in, Just had to get that Camaro at that price,was a tough call between that and the F100 in yellow,but the camaro has rearlights,and is well,a Camaro.I think i can find at least one stretch of smooth tarmac 132ft long, cos I have sigularly failed to find anywhere suitable for speed runs with the 917.

    • @grrfy
      @grrfy Před 10 měsíci

      oh dear , now A-Main cant fulfill orders made, So its not just Rlaarlo that can mess things up.

  • @jameswisecarver
    @jameswisecarver Před 10 měsíci

    I ordered the vendetta from amain 170 usd off putting it at 199 how can you not, probably gonna get the infraction mega too for a build how can you not for 149 usd, it's like christmas in july I tell ya haha great vid Phil! Thanks!

    • @jameswisecarver
      @jameswisecarver Před 10 měsíci

      @@Sendmessage-2 no thanks, pass it on to the next guy

  • @SharkysGarageRCandMore
    @SharkysGarageRCandMore Před 10 měsíci +1

    Great update

  • @Xandro_B20
    @Xandro_B20 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I want that MT8 If the price is right🙏 serious buyer here.

  • @troypfuhl14
    @troypfuhl14 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Phil, Mate... wasn't it "in your opinion" about the top 10 list? I'm pretty sure everyone else has their top list of RC or anything other.
    Troy 😎

    • @troypfuhl14
      @troypfuhl14 Před 10 měsíci

      Phil, the message that you replied with has disappeared somehow.
      Troy 😎
      P.s Sorry mate

    • @troypfuhl14
      @troypfuhl14 Před 10 měsíci

      P.s it was for a contest I think

  • @matthewhursh86
    @matthewhursh86 Před 10 měsíci

    Not related to this video but the CZcams Channel fully charged just posted about a limited 100 full sizes replica of the Tamiya car if you could get one your dreams really would come true

  • @chrisstokoe3169
    @chrisstokoe3169 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Midnight pumpkin baby

  • @smokeyrameriz478
    @smokeyrameriz478 Před 10 měsíci

    Those raffles are really profitable. Genius idea if you have enough followers. Kev probably makes 10 times what each vehicle is worth.

  • @GundamDroid
    @GundamDroid Před 10 měsíci +1

    My tUrBO RacINg 1/76 miCRo RC cAr, wASnT On YOur LIsT!! wHhhYy!?!? Hahaha

  • @davidrivero7943
    @davidrivero7943 Před 10 měsíci +1

    And all of a fn sudden , i cancelled order of redcat tornado saved $50gd USD & went with a Vendetta . Order was just pl😂aced & I can hug this guy for it. ( A European thing most of yous would find kinda weird , Meng. ) Que Dios te bendiga , God Bless Phil.!!, 😊👍

  • @Luke-en2tk
    @Luke-en2tk Před 10 měsíci +1

    Why doesn't the UK get any of the Horizon sales 🤷

  • @jplumstead
    @jplumstead Před 10 měsíci +1

    Hi Phil watch all your content great job fella if you decide to sell the XRT I’d be very interested

  • @smart3k
    @smart3k Před 10 měsíci +1

    Where the hell did you get an R35 shell from for the GTB? That's sick AF

    • @smart3k
      @smart3k Před 10 měsíci

      Never mind didn't realise it was the stock shell haha

  • @christianfriedrichs
    @christianfriedrichs Před 10 měsíci +1

    Any deals in Europe?

  • @rctraildriversuk-lone-wolfvide
    @rctraildriversuk-lone-wolfvide Před 10 měsíci +1

    phil your still on top of your game with the video`s mate

  • @davidfawbert6144
    @davidfawbert6144 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thanks mate.. skint now 😂😂😂

  • @esmelinroperto304
    @esmelinroperto304 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Where do sell your rc cars? I would love to buy one if you sign it.

  • @joper90
    @joper90 Před 10 měsíci

    Bloody hell, a beatties bag!!

  • @tracebrown9341
    @tracebrown9341 Před 10 měsíci +1

    But I have a good question can you teal us about any cheap and good rock bouncer or rock crawler