THE THING (2011) Breakdown | Ending Explained, Hidden Details And Things You Missed
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- THE THING (2011) Breakdown | Ending Explained, Hidden Details And Things You Missed. We explain The Prequel to John Carpenters classic Sci-Fi Horror The Thing. Here we point out the hidden details and also give our theories about the movie.
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Welcome to the Heavy Spoilers show, I'm your host Paul and this video we're breaking down 2011s The Thing.
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I always found it kinda funny how we have a movie thats about an alien that perfectly mimics it's victims and we then got a movie that mimicked that beat for beat even down to having the exact same title. Saying that though I think this is a pretty fun prequel that ends in a way that makes you instantly want to put John Carpenters on.
Throughout this video we're gonna be breaking it down scene by scene and talking about all the hidden details and things you missed in it.
Now there were several Thing sequels and remakes almost put into production over the years but they all failed to make it past the screenwriting phase. We even almost got a sci-fi series called Return Of The Thing that would take place in a small american town after the events of the movie. We of course had the game which acted as a sequel and several dark horse comics that continued the tale.
John Carpenter actually pitched his own sequel with him setting it after the events of the first film. Both Childs and Macready looking older would be explained with Frostbite and we'd continue and see how the Thing tried to get to civilisation. - Zábava
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No subtitles? I'll have to wait until they're added, or give this one a pass, sadly.
Everytime I watch this one I end up watching the original right after!! Great breakdown Paul!!
I love this movie, not as much at the 1982 The Thing, but it's still great.
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I like to think that the thing was more violent and out in the open in the prequel, and then learned from its mistakes and implemented stealth at Outpost 31
I like to think that too, rather than being insulted that studio execs thought we needed more action-per-minute to keep us dummies entertained
It had no idea what humans could do at first, it copied us and learned from us and changed tactics. A third attempt probably would have had it just bum rush everyone when they found the dog and not give them any time to react.
Agreed. It had to assimilate to human roles and standards. Fear was not a trait that acclimated well until learning how to camouflage
That so true , its a learning " Thing " ..you cant expect an Alien being to just adapt ..it has to Learn..
I prefer to not even consider the existence of this shit show.
"The studio said it looked too 80s." Hollywood🙄The overuse of CGI in this movie was a complete tragedy.
a fact that sadly everyone agrees with post release
Totally agree. The practical effects in the 1982 movie still look great today and so much care was put into them to make them look as horrifying as possible. To me, good practicals will always beat out CGI which seems to be looking cheaper and cheaper.
Yep that literally shat allover it and ruined it with poor cgi. Which is a shame because I liked it and love the 1st film my favourite horror
i don't think CGI itself ruined it because good CGI is possible but definitely do think them saying it needs to be CGI ruined it because at that point they already did all the work and had to basically redo everything from scratch just for their dumb demand
@@gensoustudio4703it was just the dumbest decision ever made, if there was no cgi in it, it would of been a great prequel
That dog scene from 1982 the Thing gave me nightmare for days. I was around 8 or 9 year old the first time I watched it. Probably one of the greatest horror scifi ever made.
it was the head crab for me 😅
It was so sad.
One of the great twists was the 'metal can't be assimilated,' a story element that worked perfectly. Good writing.
"They used Kurt Russell's height" for measuring the sets. Thanks for the idea for a new unit of measurement, I am one Kurt Russell tall!
Do we call this a Metric Kurt or Imperial Russell?
One metric Kurt. Let’s join the test of the world already 😊
@@sheldondbrown that is probably the wise move. But Imperial Russell has a ring to it.
The original movie also has one of the touch-to-instant assimilation scenes, towards the very end when the Dr puts his hand on the other guys mouth and they fuse together.. then he drags the body away with his arm attached to the face.. the prequel scene with the two faces pushed together was a call-back to that assimilation scene and the double faced corpse inside the charred remains examined in the first film that they retrieved from the Norwegian camp.
"There's no way a British guy doesn't have any fillings!" That cracked me up!
I don’t think it prefers defense, and won’t attack someone. I think it’s just smart enough to know when to lay low and when not to. It’s goal is to assimilate all life forms it can.
Agreed. That theory doesn’t explain the creature trying to assimilate all of the dogs in the kennel.
Just worded it wrong. There were no humans nearby so it thought it could safely assimilate in time. Clearly it was wrong.
It’s an ambush killer- stealth is it’s biggest asset IMHO.
Yeah that was a blunder, it is 100% aggressive just smart about it
The Thing (2011) had some story problems but it’s really neat to see all the small details that lead up the original.
Definitely. The block of ice, the axe in the wall, the 2 headed burned creature. Great attention to detail.
I love this movie 😊
Fun fact: This movie had originally used practical effects and had a entirely different alien ship climax that had a Xenomorph Easter egg, but the studio requested for reshoots and replaced all practical effects
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Really? What a terrible and stupid decision by the studio.
Amalgamated Dynamics was the practical effects studio.
They won an Academy award for best visual effect for Death Becomes her and nominated for Starship Troopers.
One of the founders was an alumni of Stan Winston.
What a waste.
@@jakeeheredia Yes. Pause the video at 17:22 and the text says that very thing.
Everyone literally knows that
This is literally the first time I have seen a video and corresponding comments acknowledging the prequel doesn't suck. Over the past few years I have been able to find more people willing to defend Metallica's "Lulu" than this film. This is culturally ground breaking 👍
Never gave this movie much attention, like everyone else i thought it was a remake, until I saw heavy spoilers break down of the original and didn’t know 2011 was a soft prequel and now it’s one my favorites
@@e.enriquez4589 yeah, that is why i didnt go to the opening. I dont watch trailers and never found interest in spoiling anything so i kinda just pop into a movie always expecting 100%, and that really weeds out the absolute shit tier films. I thought 2011 Thing was going to be shit. months after the opening at a theater that does showings of movies still kinda fresh and my dad took me to see it because his friend told him it wasnt just a remake, then after that we got pizza and went to see the 1982 film and we both talked about the ending for weeks...
2011 was the last good year i had... 2012 was the year my world ended; my father was taken from us.
RIP Ulysses.
sorry for the random dump.
it didn't suck, but it couldve have been great! Hollywood crippled is success but the attention to detail and fan service was good and fun.
also it would have reached near original levels of it didn't dumb itself down to explain things that weren't obvious and let the audience figure it out much like carpenter's
There's a reason the thing is more aggressive in the prequel, it's new to humans. And trys a more aggressive approach, it learns throughout the prequel humans have fire and can fight back. So going into the original it knows "ok, aggressive didn't work, I need to be more subtle to get out of here"
Or that’s just the way the writers wrote it because they want to put butts in seats.
@@micmorgan84 maybe. But I'm a The Thing believer, and I think the prequel is alright and if people can justify Kenobi as being good then I can justify the thing being more aggressive jah
@@0utlaw-472 nah, it's more aggressive because subtleness is lost on most people these days
@@RoninDave I can see that, and it makes sense, I'm just a big 'the thing fan" so it's my own fan theory ya know?
@@RoninDave Given the performance of John Carpenter's "The Thing" it was clearly lost on people back then too bud.
I don't think the hosts continue to exist after assimilation. When Juliette-Thing is attacking Karl and Juliette's eyes are fixed on Kate and Lars, I think that it's the Thing keeping tabs on potential targets to attack after it was finished with Karl. I think it rushed Kate and Lars after it heard the order to burn it in an attempt to get to them before Lars could ignite his flamethrower.
You are correct. The Thing basically liquifies and devours the host and makes itself into a perfect copy.
I love both movies. The only thing I like more in the original is that the relationships amongst the team seemed so natural and established. It felt like these guys knew each other good and bad. Just by virtue of the lead and a couple of others being outsiders to the outpost in the sequel it meant we saw less of that. We saw a little with them drinking and singing along but it hadn’t built enough for me to then be really invested as each one died. The one relationship that I did love was the Lars and Kate. They didn’t speak the same language but found how to communicate and build trust in one another to understand both were going to give everything to stop it spreading. Which makes the opening act of the original more tragic.
Then the earring thing and how that added a new argument to get people talking.
I don’t understand the hate the sequel got.
@@akelly4207 I honestly enjoy it and for a prequel they did the best they could to get details right
The sequel sucked because it was unnecessary and stupid. The original is the best and it always will be. The lighting, the practical effects, the musical score, as well as the characters themselves made it a good movie. Cheesy? Yes, but still good.
These days, studios don’t know what they’re doing. Very rarely is there any kind of believable bond or relationship between characters these days….
It’s always so forced instead of being naturally written. Studios butcher everything these days, that’s an absolute fact.
Filmmaking is decaying, but luckily there’s always a few diamonds in the rough.
@@noobie1890wahhhh. Cry more little baby boy.
Original was in 1951. I’m here to nitpick. :b
Literally just watched this back to back. My missus had never seen either. So it was interesting watching her reactions when it came to the original so from the start she was guessing who was infected.
Did she think it was repetitive?
@@heavyspoilers not repetitive, for me more even though I love the movies. But she was freaking out when the dog made its escape 😂.
Also, she loved the practical effects rather then CGi (children of the 80’s) 😎
I did the same, but watched the original Thing movies from the 50s first. I love all 3.
I honestly love the prequel. It has a completely bang up cast, adds too/doesnt detract from the original, and the effects aren’t too bad. Wish they’d been able to use the more practical effects they created (studio influence always seems responsible for this & royally ticks me off). Great breakdown!
I fully agree. I actually saw it first and I kind of prefer the storyline/pacing of the prequel a little bit more. The Carpenter one definitly has better visuals/atmoshere though.
Honestly if they didn't have the classic Hollywood acting and final girl cliche it would've been received better imo
@FigmentForever : The prequel was orders of magnitude better than Carpenter's film , for my money . Reading posts of adherents to Carpenter's version shows that a lot of people like a lot of ' bells and whistles ' going off . Me , I wanted to see a serious horror picture on this story that would transport me to that place with those people . And the cast of the prequel were great . But unfortunately there was more concern for budget issues than there was to make a real cult shocker of a horror film that would be way too disturbing to bring the kiddies to see . The movie should have been at least 40 minutes longer . I would have cut out that opening scene with the snow cat falling through the ice , and the scene showing Kate plying her trade as a paleontologist working on that frozen dog . The ship would remain mysterious , with nobody entering it , as with the visitor - the only knowledge that those poor people acquire about it after discovering that it is alive is that it wants to kill them all , and even more terrifying , that it can replicate them after attacking , killing , and consuming them . One more change - I think the film would have been much more interesting , more haunting , if BOTH Kate AND Carter were allowed to survive . Let them be rescued by maybe the Russians , and then the story starts there , with Kate and Carter faced with the hopeless task of making somebody believe them .
I love everything about the prequel except the spaceship scenes at the end. Broke the grit of the horror and became a sci-fi flick during those scenes.
Didn't pair together at all
@edathompson2 : The space ship should have been a complete mystery , with no humans ever entering it . We get to see only the outside , a sight which would instill awe , along with foreboding . But Kate and Carter should never have entered it . Instead , perhaps they could decommission it by tossing as many of those thermite bombs into as many hatch openings that they could find . In a previous post I thought that BOTH Kate AND Carter should have survived , and also that the film should have been made at least 40 minutes longer .
What people don't understand about the Thing is its intense love of people. It just wants to be with you, merge with you, even BE you, yet no one seems to accept it without being overpowered. Every time it shows affection people resist. It must be so lonely.
Check out the fan fiction short story: The Things from Peter Watts. It's the 1st movie, from the perspective of the alien. It's super fascinating.
sus.
@@AgentFleaactually just finished reading it, it was so cool thanks for the recommendation
Found the thing
A bit like the Amnion in The Gap series. From the alien's point of view, it's doing a profoundly GOOD thing by assimilating them.
The "warmed up leftovers" analogy is perfect. Such a shame. It could have been so much better.
I always find that you give me at least 5 'things' that I've missed. As a fan of all 3 movies I actually enjoy all the little easter eggs and paying homage to those who came before. Well done.
Three movies? There's another besides the original and prequel?
@@robertplourde2447 The original was based on a movie from the fifties.
What’s the third??
@@KrimetTStarKiller You might include 'Harbinger Down' made by StudioADI who did the effects for The Thing' s prequel and introduced us to a similar organism.... as well as the 50s 'The Thing From Another World'.
@@KrimetTStarKillerand while the Thing from Another World is a classic in its own right, but doesn't hold a candle to the 1982 film.
Such an underrated film. Fits perfectly with the original
I actually loved the prequel. It had a great story, great actors and a really good script and action sequences. The only detractor was, what many saw, the overuse of CGI but having since found out they did most of it practically only for the "suits in the office" to say it looked too 80s (as if it wasnt set in the 80s) and asked for it to be be covered. It was a slap in the face to the cast, crew and Amalgamated who made amazing practical effects. CGI is meant to enhance and pull off what cant be done in camera, not covering everything.
Is it possible that the thing acts differently in this one because it hasn’t learned the behavior of being more stealthy yet? I know it understands peoples memories, but what if none of those people were good at strategizing how to blend in? Or what if it just thought it had a better chance of killing people in the moment because it scared too? Then it slowly starts learning how to create better opportunities for itself as it continues to hunt people in this base!
Thats pretty much what I like to think. It hadn't encountered humans before and it wasn't sure what they were capable of. It found out in this movie and learned and then adapted accordingly like we saw in John Carpenters film.
I think once it turned into the dog that's when it learned about hunting and being stealth. That's seems to be the moment it changed strategy.
Would love to see this take place in a populated urban setting.. what do you do ? When the entire city could be infected? From Grasshoppers , to house cats , to your very own grandmother?? The possibilities are endless .
6:39 Sunshine is such an underrated gem..
17:24 That is such an interesting take on it.. I never looked at it that way.. She does look like she's not capable of controlling her actions.. almost if as she's begging to die..
The actor who plays Norris in the original 82 film.. stated in the behind the scenes commentary, that in some ways after he turned down Gary's offer , to take over the camp.. He stated that he believed he knew he was the thing, or at the very least infected.. but his human side was still somewhat in control of his actions..
A very interesting take on it indeed 👍..
These Easter eggs that you've spotted out are very unique from what I've seen on CZcams lately.. You did an incredible job.. You pleasantly surprised me that's for sure..
20:03 Well the thing is.. oh shit... 😂.. no pun..
Edvard goes along with it , because he knows the flamethrowers are ready . There's no escape , if it we're to be discovered.. so he just plays it cool.. For his or it's own survival... for now.. but when it loses consciousness.. The wiring is crossed , sort of speak.. Mabye it thought it was being dragged to it's death? Or the shock of the explosion brought forth the mutation.. it's kinda hard decipher what actually brought on the mutation.. but it was indeed the best scene in the film.. Showing you how the split face creature came to be..
23:54 The Mac call back for sure , but remember the blood moved on it's own across the floor during the Palmer mutation.. So you gotta ask yourself, would you really touch that axe 🪓??
25:56 That scene in particular reminds me of Nauls in the 82 version.. When he heard or noticed something in the generator room.. Except Carter actually comes back to save Kate.. Nauls just kinda disappears from sight.. Never to return.. It was very creepy.. Before you knew it, Mac was all alone down there..
" How's it coming in there? I said how's it..."
Soo good !!!
29:11 I tip my hat to the Director sincerely, you could really tell he adored Carpenter's film .. Honestly , I think he did a fantastic job. Even with the studio interferences. I just hate ADI studios didn't get a chance to show off thier Hardwork , with the practical creature effects they created..
I watch this again last night. This is far better than the critics led people to believe. In fact I think it's great. There are plenty of practical effects for purists and plenty of CG monsters done right. And the story compliments the OG perfectly with an ending that's pure satisfaction. Give it a re-watch and think for yourself.
It's good but I wouldn't go as far as calling it great.
@@Brinz420 Great overcompensates for all the rotten CG talk that tanked a film that honored the OG and did some really cool stuff on it's own. The big mistake was using the same name. That started the firestorm. How about-Who Goes There?
The Thing is my favorite movie, and I think people are completely wrong about the prequel - It's a fantastic movie! The cast is amazing and the way they fill in all the details perfectly while giving us twists and unexpected turns, is masterful. I don't understand what people are on about when they criticize this movie, I truly don't.
@@Sinekyre14 A victim of the cancel culture train. Once day it'll be considered a great film on its own right, even better as the prequel to Carpenter's grand opus.
@@jimmerhardy They're a victim of low intelligence. The Thing has a huge cult following whose speciality is to pick apart fine details and try to sound smart. They simply buy into whatever the most clever critique is, and it sounds clever to hate this movie. It's a better movie than the original, if you judge it solely on the acting, realism of the effects and pacing. We just love the original because of its incredible actors and the mood it manages to create, but it has its own flaws. I think people have rose-tinted glasses and just love to criticize this against the perfect image in their minds of what it could have been. It's an incredible accomplishment to not make a disaster out of such a thin plot as the Norwegian base offers in The Thing.
As much I love the original, I really do appreciate this movie now. Especially being a massive Dead Space fan, you can’t deny the similarities.
John Carpenter wants to make a Dead Space movie, and I am so for it. That would be amazing. You played DS1 Remake? I loved it
also just knowing (and seeing them in footage!) that they literally made every Thing form with practical effects that looked great, especially the two dudes that get fused together. The studio literally forced them to redo all of the shots with CGI
Yeah. I love this prequel. Gets too much hate.
@@nachoeee690 I see "DS1" and I think Dark Souls, lol.
The Dead Space remake is amazing, but I suck with scary games, and only got about 2/3's of the way through it before I just stopped. My heart can't take that shit. It's the same reason I could only play Alien: Isolation for like 4-5 hours.
@@crescentjester Alien: Isolation took me like 6 months to finally beat, and then I had to go back and try it again on nightmare lmao.
I actually like that movie, I've watched it many times, always before the 1982 one, and it stands up pretty well.
Great video!!
13:00 That song actually a popular song from 1982 and it's about the people that live in the poor part of Norway.
23:49 She didn't want him to touch the blood.
30:04 Hey I watch both all the time.
The perfect double-feature, The Thing (2011) and The Thing (1982) 🎞🎞
I remember liking the prequel, of course it doesn't come close to Carpenters Film.
I like this prequel. It fills those gaps nicely and as best they [film cast and crew] could with the original 1982 version. They back engineered the sets and location of things like the axe in the wall, etc, etc. Too bad studio meddling almost derailed this.
Agreed
I absolutely loved this prequel. It really impressed me how well the continuity was done, relating to the original base in the 1982 version. I saw it day 1 in theaters and I was super stoked to recognize the areas in the base so easily and to see how the damage was done.
Prequel was ass. Don’t disrespect the original
@@sebastiancasa-up4wy in what way did the prequel disrespect the original? I thought it did a really good job of remaining loyal to the original.
That axe bit could have been fixed with a single short line. "The thing's blood is all over it.". That one line would explain why he left a valuable weapon behind since they don't want to risk infection. I enjoyed the movie overall but that one bit really stuck out for me and it would have been super easy to not be an issue.
16:52 Palmer alerts the others to Norris' Spider-Head-thing to make himself look unsuspicious. I've read somehwhere that things are selfish, they dont care about each other. If it serves one thing's plan of survival, it may throw another thing under the bus. I think Palmer, like Bennings, is controlled by the thing from the very moment of assimilation onward. You can argue a gradual assimilation through infection took place in Norris' case, but not Palmer. In the scene where they keep MacReady outside, Palmer is actively creating distrust against Mac, furthering the paranoia among the men.
The reason for leaving the axe was because of the blood outside of the continuity for the original.
2011 The Thing is a very interesting prequel. Every now and then, I still find myself thinking about it and getting the urge to rewatch it. It obviously has its problems, but the connective tissue and tensions scenes still provide enough intrigue. Not to mention how they alter and flip scenes keeps it feeling mostly like it’s own. I think it is a good companion film for the first. The idea to have this lead comes across the leads of the original actually sounds like a very interesting idea. I would love to see Kurt Russell, especially, return to this franchise that boosted him so long ago. I feel like that could end The Thing as a neat little trilogy while providing a definitive ending to the alien and these characters. Personally, it isn’t the ending of the first that keeps me intrigued, so I would be fine if they eliminated that ambiguous ending for a more definitive one.
Yeah I really enjoyed the prequel. Like you said, it’s cool how they flip certain scenes to keep it fresh, like having them look for fillings in peoples teeth instead of just duplicating the blood test. Plus it’s a clever idea.
there is a sequel in the works
I've seen this movie and videos explaining things in it many times via many channels. But I am always happy to watch more when new videos come out.
Thx
Underrated.
I love how much Paul likes movies and he gets excited when he sees actors from other shows and movies 😊
I could be wrong, but I think you missed a tiny detail that completely changes the ending.
In the filme, there are at least 2 scenes, in which the disguised 'Thing' displayed a strange reaction to the cars windshields movements.
It was very brief, but the disguised 'Thing' had rapid eye movements, following the windshields with an almost predatory fixed gaze.
And in the very last shot of the filme, Katie dose the exact same thing with her eyes, as she look at the windshields, right befor she drives away.
Given the director confirmed that Katie didn't survive, I tend to believe that she was in fact the 'Thing', and was simply unaware of it.
Perhaps the ultimate trick used by the 'Thing' was to disguise itself as the very enemy that was hunting him, the heroine.
thats a really good theory, nice catch
@heavyspoilers Thank you, I appreciate it.
As I said, it's something I noticed in filme, but it was never confirmed or even addressed by anyone, so I might be wrong.
I do, however, find it a fur more interesting ending.
Imagin being in Kate shoes; realizing your own identity, your thoughts, your memories, your very consciousness are all just a disguise for the monster... Now, that's truly terrifying.
It is possible that The Thing was more secretive in the original because it learned in the prequel that the direct approach didnt work out too well. It learned from it.
23:35 now I think she said that because the axe was covered the things blood, if he were to grab it, the blood would just move down to his hand. You can notice how the bloodstains on the handle are a lot less in the first movie.
Where you mention tension build up and then nothing happens, I actually like this approach. Films can become too predictable, where you can almost count into the scare from the build up. Having these moments when nothing comes of it creates both feelings of prolonged tension and a false safety, so when the scare does come you're less prepared and the reaction is stronger. This is something the Japanese and Korean horror makers use to better effect.
It's sort of a writing thing, where writers struggle when the conflict resolves too fast. Even if it is just a single scene conflict aka tension build and release. Definitely didn't feel that problem watching
Tension buildup happened quite a bit in the original. There’s the scene with Kurt Russel when he was doing the fire/blood test, and he tells the one guy (who he suspects to be visitor) they’ll find out who he is next…all while he’s doing the guy seated before him….and BANG! The blood starts to boil up and the guy starts morphing and screeching. The audience gets a jump scare while they think they’re experiencing tension buildup.
"You gotta sleep sometime. MCCREADY "..."I don't know about that, Chiles...I'm a pretty light sleeper"...LOVE THESE MOVIES!
One of the best survival horror movie which I recommended to everyone.
The Thing
is
The Best.
Being a hard core Thing fan, I loved this movie, seeing it in the cinema made all the difference as the sound was incredible, particularly the howling wind and monster screams...
Hell yeah. I saw it in cinemas too.
Even with the first one being a cool classic, pun intended, the remake is awesome in its own right for me 👌
100% and it always reminds me of one my favourite games Dead Space
@@falloutshorts Gosh, dude Dead Space is so unbelievably good ! 👌 when they do the live action, take Pedro Pascal, make it r-rated, watch the money rain down 🥳
Not a remake.
I enjoyed it and altho the special effects are "advanced" I loved the monsters.
It's a prequel
Your closing point was spot on: I enjoyed watching the new one, but I knew it had major flaws... Now that you mentioned it being a labour of love for the director, and the studio fucking it all up: that's exactly how it felt.
Brilliant stuff
Cool video
Hitting the frequency button
I actually really enjoyed this movie, yeah the CGI in some parts was bad, but I like how they did use both practical effects and CGI together to make the scenes. I thought they captured what the old movie characters had found at there camp really well, you can tell they really paid attention to the original. I saw where John Carpenter neither confirmed nor denied another movie coming out that he would be helping with, and honestly I hope they do, I could watch these movies over and over again, I really need to finish the book and get the version with the lost pages.
Always loved the original, saw it as a kid in the late 80s, always freaked me out with the practical effects, really enjoyed the prequel too, but nothing touches the original.
I worked at the movies when this came out. I remember I was ushering and went into the back of a screening of this. An older couple got up and made their way to the exit. The movie was about 45 in.
I whispered to them “not liking it?”
They said it’s trying too hard to be like the first one.
I watched both of these movies around the same time and I really believe it's terribly underrated. The production was rocky which unfortunately led to them fumbling the special effects which divided the audience but I think the spirit is there
I agree the spirit is 100% there. It’s a great tie in to the 1982 movie.
The troubling issue - if Sam is not the Thing at the end - Cate acted impulsively and murdered him. Of course, she has good reason to expect that he is the Thing - he "lost" the earring because, apparently as the alien, he could not duplicate it.
But what if there *is* another explanation of why Sam doesn't have the ring any more? He piteously begs of Cate, "Let me explain!" I would love to hear his explanation!
He's also being too hesitant to absorb or kill Cate - *if* he's the Thing. He walks out of the alien ship with her, agrees with her that they should escape in the snow cat, and even when she explains to him why she's sure he's the Thing, he doesn't attack her so as to get her out of the way and eliminate her potential future testimony. Cate doesn't give him time to "explain" much of anything before she fries him. ("Which makes her a murderer, don't it?")
As the review says, we don't know if Cate survives and if, or how, she makes it to the Russian camp. The film ends with Sam's - or the Thing's - blood on her hands, sitting behind the controls of the snow cat. We need to know what happens to her, and we ought to be able to figure out with some certainty if Sam was really the Thing. As it stands, therefore, the ending is really not data-heavy enough to be seen as some artistic nihilistic final statement or disclosure. It needs a bit of tweaking to permit the viewer to have minimal confidence about Sam's final identity and Cate's fate.
I think that was the point of that end though. It kind of mirrors the 82 ending with them two just sitting there not knowing if they could trust if the other was a “thing” or not.
@@chrispoulin6116 Yes, come to thi9nk of it, that does kind of preserve the ambiguity of the Carpenter film...
The "thing" even grabs the other ear, which kate points out and is the last confirmation she needed
@@gowary Probably, but what if it was an honest mistake made under the stress of Cate thinking he's the Thing? Anyway, I still would love to hear his "explanation". He'd have to do some fast thinking and faster talking...!
Didn’t he scream though when he was burned like the thing it’s not left ambiguous I do think Joel’s character was the thing maybe that’s how I interpreted it.
Awesome movie especially the ending! I love watching these two back to back. I love the attention to detail everything matches to original especially the ending love how it syncs right up to original lol.
The fact the Thing was aggressive in the prequel and showed more stealth and discretion in the originals shows how it was learning about humanity who themselves is a predatory species much like the Thing thus very dangerous. This is why by the end of the original film the last Thing (assuming one of the remaining characters was the thing) respected its adversary as an equal and not simply a prey item and likely felt better to die with a adversary rather than alone. There was a fan fic one time that apparently presented the thing as not a villian but as simply a survivor who was abducted by the alien ship and was horrified of its situation when it found itself on earth. Each human being essentially being so alien to the thing it terrified it but also began learning about humanity each time it assimated them.
Thank you, so much, Paul. 🙏🏻
imagine in like 20-40 years the thing (2011) becomes more famous than ever 💀
A horror classic. 👍🏻
Thank you Paul. 🙏🏻
I just love your channel!!! So many of the movies are my favourites!!! Do In the Mouth of Madness or The Fly, yay!!!
The thing from another world is a totally underrated movie! Really masterpiece it's no wonder John Carpenter was so inspired by that movie the final scene in the thing from another world was actually one of the first scenes wear a stuntman was lit on fire😮
Good film, not quite as good as the original which was amazing. Does a good job as a prequel 😎
The original is just SOOOO GOOOOD for it's time, and going from insanely good practical effects to more CGI is a bit jarring, however, i saw this movie first, and absolutely loved it. Then watched the OG and it blew me away.
They're both great imo
I'm not a fan of going to the movie theater as I'm guaranteed to leave there with a headache. But when this movie came out, I was one of the first to rush to watch it. There was no way I would wait for the DVD. I loved it because it was so close to the original. When I tell people about the prequel, I always talk about how well they recreated the original room where the block of ice was kept. I still prefer the original because it somehow has more tension in it. However, I think they did a great job in making a Thing movie that was not just a remake. I learned of the whole E.T. debacle that made The Thing flop back then, but I'm actually surprised that this one flopped too as later on The Thing was recognized as a great movie. You'd think that therefore something connected to it, would do well. I always wondered what happened to Kate and I love the idea you put forward there, that she would make it to the Russian camp and find the American base in ruins. I hope Universal pics up on that and actually makes that movie.
What was fun for me, is I hadn't seen the Thing 1982. In 2011, my friend wanted to go see Thing 2011 and I just assumed it was a remake of the 80's one. I enjoyed 2011. Then a couple years later, decided to watch 1982. I was like "ohhhhh shiiiiiiiit" with the opening scene, not realizing 2011 was a prequel lol. It was cool in retrospect to see it in that order.
Wild coincidence but I watched both films last night. Now this breakdown the following day. Carpenter's The Thing is one of my all time favorites and excellent video as always.
I hope you do a video on the 1951 version of "The Thing(from another world)"[complete title of that movie]. James Arness of "Gunsmoke" fame was the 'monster'(the Thing). I saw that movie when I was about 7 years old.
Nothing will ever beat the original with Kurt Russell, I watched it in Cinema when it came out and was years ahead of its time
Those critics that kept the audience away from this great prequel also destroyed any hope to extend this storyline. Congratulations.
I’d love a cut of the film that restores the Pilot of the ship, especially when you mention how no one questioned the Space Jockey in ‘Alien’.
Love both films. I wish they’d expand on this more like a series or a couple more movies
If “kill it with fire” was a movie 😂
looooool
Literally
I honestly liked the prequel
Kate in the prequel had more plot armor than three typical horror movie protagonists put together. the Things constantly forgot about abilities it had used before whenever it faced her, and repeatedly decided to scream before attacking her from behind when it would not do so with other victims. It also seemed drastically less accurate when facing her over other humans.
Also.
imagine deciding to condemn a person to a fiery death based entirely on one's own memory of the placement of a earring under highly stressful conditions. Not" Hey, I think the earring was in this ear, but he grabbed at the other ear, I'll keep an eye on him, or use other tests to prove my suspicions to be correct or not." but full blown" I know, know, know that I'm right about the earring position, soooooo much, that I will immediately torch the guy . No further evidence needed..."
Awesome video thanks dude
I enjoy watching this and the John Carpenter film. The major CGI scene that I hated was the helicopter scene. The movie was very good imo and I still don't understand why it didn't do well! Come to think of it, I also don't understand why the original bombed😢
I think I will do a The Thing movie marathon this Friday!
The original bombed because people didn't understand horror back then and what John Carpenter was doing. After horror became more mainstream. And a re evaluation. It's now considered one of the greatest horror movies ever made. So it had its redemption arch
The movie is nowhere as bad as the original fans make it.
❤❤ I love your breakdown the things You are the best to do it Out of everyone else
It was fun watching this prequel and Carpenter’s Thing as a double feature
I had so many problems with this film, not just the CGI. I don't understand why they couldn't make the whole cast Norwegian, that would make a bit more sense and I just really, really disliked how it TRIED to be exactly like John Carpenter's film, but failed miserably. If you like it, that's your opinion, but I personally didn't.
Universal were never gonna do an all Norwegian cast tbh. Kinda wish we'd just got a lower budget one filmed by Norweigans.
@@heavyspoilers I would've preferred that to be honest.
The only reason I can come up with for the difference in the way the creature acts in each film is that it realized how dangerous humans are during its first encounter with them, as it almost resulted in its destruction, and decided to be less aggressive at Outpost 31.
That part about kids crawling on you and trying to absorb you is such a relatable thing. Kids are nuts.
Another great and informative video from the best movie analyst on CZcams. Nice one son.
I actually enjoyed this movie way too much. And I believe it could work better as a limited series (8 episodes, 40, to 45 minutes each), than a movie.
I know I'd watch it.
I always thought that the ending would punch the viewer in the gut a lot more if he was _not_ an alien. If Kate burned him alive, and only when it would be way too late to save him/put the fire away - realized, that it was really Carter, and not a Thing. That she allowed paranoia to get better of her, and killed a good man, a friend, and basically left herself to die in snow bc of the destruction of their car.
Like sheesh, it would be so great!
It's a cool idea!
Good idea for an ending. Or just leaving it ambiguous, like the originals ending.
I was so intrigued with this movie that I didn’t realize that it was a prequel until one of the formations of the thing and dog chase. You are right. Immediately after I continued my movie watching with watching the original
Sweet!!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
As far as I can recall this is the only pre-qual movie done right. No weird political bias or ideological message. Just straight to the point and a rather seamless transition from the ending to the original movies opening. Hell the movie gave me a similar feeling of ever present dread that the first Alien movie did.
I think it would've been better received if they had kept the practical effects in the film and not use the PS3 style of SFX
100% agree
Practical never looks good. Didnt even look good in the original either. Even when its done "well" it still looks cartoony
Loved the video. I noticed this when I watched the film in the cinema back in 2011. At 8.38 in your video I think the film pays homage to the The Alien xenomorph creature. In my opinion there is a head of The Alien cut into the ice just off centre to the lower left of the screen
Great review and breakdown. Definitely agree with the points you made too. In the end it does add to the cult classic but not quite as good.
As a fan who has that original as the #2 on my all time favorites and waited YEARS for this sequel, it is an absolute shame the studio stepped in to cut the practical effects when so much of the film is so great.
PAUL! For Halloween, maybe a breakdown of the HIGHLY underrated 1996 comedy horror with Michael J. Fox, Jeffrey Combs & Jake Busey, “The Frighteners”?
I really love this prequel. It’s a shame that they actually filmed with it practical effects but the studio decided to just slap all that CGI over it all.
I hate too much cgi
Makes me wonder why they did it, everyone hates blatant CGI and it'd only cost more to redo everything in CGI at that point
Despite its flaws, I loved the prequel for its great cast and the way it tied everything into the original.
"why did they leave the axe"
tbh blades and bullets are kinda pointless against it. If anything it risks getting it's blood on you.
Meh movie.
I watched both back to back for the first time just last week. I realized I missed out on such an amazing film.
Anyways, the things I loved about the "original" were the special effects, atmosphere, the "old look", and lack of CGI. I'm someone who enjoys CGI, but watching a movie that seems like it used puppets/animatronics made it feel so realistic and grotesque.
I liked the rigid movements, physical parts coming out of the creature, etc. The old look of the movie made it look more creepy and lonely. You can feel the tension between the characters. The look of the film felt more immersive. As if i could tell what time it took place. With the prequel, the film looked more modern and I had to continuously remind myself that they can't just pull out a smartphone and dial for help (that might be due to the fact that i know it was a 2011 movie).
The creature in the prequel seemed like "the big bad guy", someone they had to have a showdown with. It felt less realistic in universe. In the "original" it just seemed like they had to survive the night and their only option was to die with it even though that was the plan in both movies.
I did enjoy both and I loved the callbacks.
can you do Pitch Black please ? then Riddick 2 and 3, i love those movies.
great videos i love watching your channel, i'm getting a lot of ideas and inspiration for writing my sci-fi story.
great work !!
I'd recommend reading "The Things" by Peter Watts, it's a fascinating read that adds to the point that the infected don't realize They're infected until the thing finally takes over their brain.
Thank you so much for this! I was wondering when edvard got “thing’d” but you also answered a few more questions I had!
I actually found the original boring and loved this one lol
This myth that it doesn’t know it’s a Thing is annoying. Edvard manipulated the group in this film, and in the 1982 original* Palmer’s body language and facial expressions during the blood test scene reveal not only that he is The Thing but knows full well that he is.
John Carpenters The Thing is my favorite movie and I loved that they went with a prequel with this movie . I still love it even with the cgi and I watch both back to back every October now
@heavyspoilers I was just watching your review on the thing 3 times yesterday hahaha I love that film to death!! Thanks Paul!!