2019 Mazda MX-5 vs VW Golf R - TRACK REVIEW // DRAG RACE & LAP TIMES
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- CONTINUING OUR FULL TRACK SERIES! James and Thomas take the new 2019 Mazda MX-5 Miata GT and pit it against the 2019 Golf R in a full track test: Drag race, drifting, and lap times! Can the lightweight Miata outmanoeuvre the more powerful but heavier Golf R? Let's find out!
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As a fellow Miata owner, we all know that the point is how much fun it is to drive on the road. I've had a couple of Audi S4's and driving a fast car at 3/10ths isn't that much fun. They would go faster on a track, and haul more people and stuff, but I would much rather drive the Miata.
I also have a 2018 Audi S4 that can wipe the floor with a Miata, but I’m always exited to take my 124 spider (Fiata) out in the spring/summer. So much fun!
You can have your 2.33 seconds, I'll still take the Miata.
Me too!
me too!
And i will keep my 4 seats lol
Balram I’ve never heard someone bragging about having extra seats in a sports car.
@@motionelco it was a joke btw.
How to identify the MX5 driver: The guy with the year round tan arriving at work with a grin on his face.
That is so funny because there's this guy I have seen a few times around my building parking lot that owns a Miata and perfectly fits the description Lol
That's me... when I have a job.
And typically age 50+
80's Boombox Collector naa not really. Most people that have miatas are younger. 👏🏻👏🏻
@@ZACH_95_ I don't believe I've ever seen anyone in their 20s with a Miata. They would much rather drive a BRZ, WRX, Mustang, M3, M2, or even just a Wrangler. Those are much more practical for someone who can only own 1 car.
These are my exact realistic dream cars. I want both.
Clint's Reptiles I would not expect you to be watching throttle house 😂
@@maxhall6346 same bro I saw the top comment, i was like huh that's familiar.
Clint likes lizards and Miatas?
Same actually
Get a GTI. Lots of MK7 GTI guys who have driven both prefer the GTI over the R for weight and fun factor. Everyone has their own reasons but you can get a GTI for half the price of an R and tune for more HP, saving you a lot of money
Both are 42k? Here in Spain you could buy 1 and a half MX5 for the price of a Golf R, Miatas go for 20-30k while the Golf Rs go for 45k+
Similar in the UK
In Switzerland it's even worse. The Golf R starts at around 51k and ends at 80k swiss-francs
yep, I couldn't believe it either but they cost the same in Canada
Golf R $41k MX-5 $31k ($35k Fully loaded, LSD, Bilstein, Tower brace, Interior, Appearance, Weather, lighting packages) in US
@@sadmanh0 Europeans paying for the competitive pricing elsewhere
Mx-5 is my favourite car in asseto corsa. Was crushed when I went to test drive one.
I'm 6'3" I was literally crushed.
I'm 6'3" I fit nicely in my R my dad has a 2018 mini cooper and I fit nicely in that car as well and that thing handles really nice in the twistys
Guys I drive a 2018 base golf. Love it and want an R so bad.
CanningPetto Women make me feel bad for not being tall at 5.7
But then I fit every single motorcycle and every single performance car made.
Fuck it I’ll take that I feel bad for big dudes can’t get into cars they like and get stuck with only large cars
I'm 6'2 and my NC miata has plenty of space.... have u tried an NC?
@@gettingbettereveryday350 : I'm 6'1" with 33" inseams and had a NC. Did mods to seat and pedals and never was comfortable. Additionally, despite suspension mods, it never handled as well as my Wife's NB. Worst handling MX-5 I've ever driven. Wife's 2016 MX-5 fits really well with front of seat that's adjustable for height. Conversely the passenger seat w/o that feature is uncomfortable.
fellas, your editing and cinematic skills are improving exponentially! combined with great personalities, and silly antics, you deserve every single of those 200k subscriptions! Onto a million! Keep up the good work!
Mr expert hahaha
4:18 that was straight top gear R8 Vs 911 and I love it
link??
@@delahozlife4978 czcams.com/video/oaENG1vt6-Y/video.html
Andrés Arbeláez que santa maravilla
I really appreciate when y'all do the lap view and have the minimap showing speeds at certain points on the track. It's really informative about how some cars are slower through turns or faster on the straights.
ND miata for me soon hopefully. I mistakenly sold my 95 miata for a sporty practical lexus for 3 years with 0 smiles. I loved driving the miata and getting lost and making an amazing adventure of every little drive.
Remember folks, it's AWD+285hp vs RWD+181hp. The MX5 time is pretty good with two big disadvantages.
Isn’t the golf technically a front wheel drive and only engages all 4 wheel if it detects slippage?
I dont think golf has 285hp, some people say it has 280 and some say it has 300.... Knowing VW they probably lie about how much hp the golf actually has
I was watching a drag race between 320hp type r and 300hp golf r and golf was noticably faster
It probably has like 320-330hp
@@patrick7695 If the manufacturer declares 285hp then thats the lowest possible number..usually when you get it actually tested you will find that they have more power.
@@patrick7695 likely the dsg made it faster
In europe it's 320 horse power. I think it depends on the market.
In Europe (I am located in Austria) it is a little different - here the Golf R starts at € 55.980,- and the MX5 incl. Bilsteins and Recaros at € 35.890,-
In addition, LSD only comes to the RF with Sportline (It isn't written anywhere, I knew this by asking Mazada Deutschland).
Absolutely, my first thought was: A fair match would be the Golf GTI, not the R.
@@kainanchen in germany the LSD is onboard at every 2l model - i have a 2l preFacelift Roadster "Sportsline" with 160hp from 2016 and it has mounted the LSD!
@@LZKaiMarc I am very confused recently, too. Because I got the answer directly from Mazda Deutschland email support. But I went to the dealer last week and they told me it has to be there. The dealer will anyway contact Mazda again to confirm, let's see what would they say😂
@@kainanchen i am sorry for confusing you - but i only can speak for the german market. But it sounds strange because the RF model came later. My model is one of the first, i bought it last year as used car from a mazda-dealer and when i did research for buying, i got this information. For me it was very important to get a model with LSD. In two weeks i am on the asia-arena meeting in Oschersleben and my MX5 has its first time on the track. All My mates have more powerful cars with around 200hp and they can't outrun me. The MX5 is a car wich will often be underestimated. For me it is my dreamcar which i ride everyday. And for riding it very sporty it don't need much petrol - around 7-8l per 100 km.
Mx5 vs. Brz would be a fantastic comparison.
Absolutely! Great idea.
In Italy a Golf R starts from €48100 (with mandatory five doors & DSG gearshift), while the MX-5 Sport with the new upgraded 2L engine (184 HP) and soft top starts from €32000: that's a €16000, more or less $17500 USD difference.
In Canada, the two cars' prices (I checked that the equipment be the same) are $3603 apart instead of €16100.
If you wonder why, that is because the 101% or maybe the 200% of people in Italy will buy the Golf (if they can't an A Class, A3, or 1 Series, that is), no matter how it drives, handles, what equipment it comes with, what the competition, Mazda for instance, is offering under those respects.
This reflects in the companies' attitudes, starting from how they price their cars (and not limited to that).
I owned a MK 7 Golf R with manual transmission for 4 years, drove it for 60,000km and sold it last year and bought a 2016 MX5 with only 16,000km on the clock. It's manual transmission of course, and I also got $8,000 back from this change. In the 4 years of owning the Golf, I almost never go out just for a drive. Since I got the MX5, I go to the mountains pretty much every weekend LOL. POWER doesn't equal to FUN, especially on the streets. The dynamics & the way the car makes you feel is way more important.
Nice video. And congrats on 200k! Very well deserved. Here's to the next 200! 🍻
4:20 was just like that old Top Gear scene with the R8 vs 911. Epic!
Can someone put the video?
@@delahozlife4978 It's not R8 vs 911, but it's similar moment czcams.com/video/DaZExdTHHjY/video.html
@@delahozlife4978 czcams.com/video/oaENG1vt6-Y/video.html
Yeah noticed that to I think it was intentional
I was searching for the name of the Topgear video for almost two years now. I only remembered the 911 and not the other.
Thanks to you, now I do.
This is what top gear used to be, before it became less about the cars and more about the script / special effects.
You guys have a winning recipe right here, great chemistry, superb content and driver focused. Please never change!!
Miata, really ! She's in the garage and each morning starting the day with a banana smile when i push the start button. Even through bad weather, dislock the ESP and test a gently drift! Coming back from the Corse Island, it was so magnifique.
200k? This channel should easily be at 1mil! Either way congrats guys.
I have a 2017 MX5 - cost me $41K AUD - Golf R $60K AUD, Golf R is DSG only, my MX5 is manual. I don’t have kids. You can keep the damn Golf😂
Martyn Gasson until you start mods, and realize that an apr stage 2 kit is inexpensive and makes the golf r a damn rocket.
lakerforever1114 As if even more power in the golf is remotely appealing to an MX5 owner???
Golf R isn't DSG only, there's a popular manual version.
@@lakerforever1114 until you find a miata in a twisty mountain road. Do you think that we keep the crappy stock tires?
@@dmpope1527 we have the ability to have fun in the winter. There is nothing more fun than an rwd car on snow.
4:20 HOLY SHIT!
Lightweight cars are worthy to drift and fall over
I'll take fun over speed any day. Not everything humans do has to be completed in the shortest time possible 😉
Golf Rs are incredible fun just not as fun as a Miata. If you need one as a daily and a track car for the weekends I'd go for the Golf R every day though.
But its fun overtaking slowpokes
that's what my wife says.....
but Golf R can be your only vehicle, a miata just can't
@@sadmanh0 i have only a miata.... but i agree it is a lot less practical than a golf
Great comparative and time lap. Love watching guys 👍🏻
Thanks for all the dedication and work you obviously put in to each and every video. No one out there quite like you guys. Makes for very enjoyable videos. Well deserved 200K. Keep up the excellent work.
Thanks Wayne!
@@jamesengelsman9369 you should make vlogs on your channel. You're a cool guy.
Congrats on 200k subs!!
& Great entertaining video as always
I love the take you guys have on cars and the comparisons you do. Keep it up!!!
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because traction is overrated
Wish the window was closed on track, I really think it makes a difference
A Balakrishnan drifting is garbage
They woulda put some pilot sports on that miata it would have destroyed the golf
@@Th3_0_h8 Thank you. Comparing cars on a track should be done with same tire compound
the car is so light, you barely even need traction which makes it so easy and forgiving to drive.
I have a 92 miata and it has a very similar redline to the one you tested. It really does feel lie you're just winding the engine right out. Very satisfying.
I’ll take the Miata in a heartbeat. It’s a roadster and rear wheel drive for xtra fun
the mazda came out it only had 150 hp, now it has 180 so ya its probably fun as hell
@@miguelsanchez6465
184
@@miguelsanchez6465 miata only had 110hp originally
@@jamespanda7887 the first gen correct? im talking about the newest gen, i think it only had 150 hp in its top spec when it debuted. with 184 it is probably soooo fun
@@miguelsanchez6465 I have a 2003 mx5 turbo project happening soon. it has a stock 140hp. but run 7psi turbo and you'll get 220whp reliably.
"...which is good cause I got "five" reasons!"
That banter right there was the reason why I subscribed. It feels like two friends having fun and review cars. I love it.
congrats on 200k, you guys definitely deserve it! great video as always, too!
Thanks Canafa!
Dude you need to accelerate at those corners with the miata, it might seem scary at first, but it's the magic of a roadster, you can oversteer confidently, if you dont give power to the back in corners you lose more grip
Unless you're being paid to turn in fast lap times, then isn't having fun really the only thing?
excellent review - both are great - nice format thank you.
this channel is soooo underrated. The content and quality is top notch!
All of the Miatas look so cool, and every time someone reviews them, they talk about how much fun they are. That is my dream car.
Yeehaaaahhhh! I'm on my 4th (two NBs an NC and now an ND) and they amazingly just keep getting better!!
They aren't wrong. I finally bought a 2020 RF. I'm learning on it, and it is an absolute blast to drive. Slow, fast - anytime.
Great video gents. In Australia the VW is 15 to 20 k more expensive. My garage is a 2016 Mx-5 ND and a BMW M140i. Love em both!
Dream Garage😍😍
You guys always have the coolest comparisons
Great video as always, keep up the good work! Would love to see you guys do lap times with the BRZ, ST and SI HFP to test the lower priced sports cars!
Why do you run with OPEN Window in Miata, and Golf Closed???
its because in the Miata you go thru the corners so fast ya crap your pants so having the window down helps keep the smell in check.…. the other car is just..well..just another car :-) I hope that explanation helps clear it up for ya a little
So you can yell: "Hey Wild Bill, wait for me...?"
Maybe it was pretty hot and he didn't want to use a/c to save power?
@@ArtemLokhovitskiy amateurish... girls probably do this. SAVAGEESE would rape this dude back to middle ages.
I got an mx-5, if the window's open you feel much air pressure insider of the car. This really makes a difference 🤔
You guys are awesome! Keep up the good work with the cool hot rods! You have a new subscriber from T.O.
Great pacing and sense of urgency. Production quality keeps improving. Nice work.
The more i watch you guys, the better i like your videos... keep it up, hope to see 500 K by the end of 2020, you deserve it.
Thanks!
Just two of the cars I'm more interested on
Practicality vs Fun
That opening fog background tho! 😲
Your videos just keep on getting better!
Still one of my fav videos from you guys, because I'm a miata owner. And whether it wins or loses isn't as important cause its always a fun time!
I’ve owned an MX-5 (NC 6-speed, 2006) for 8yrs, and 18 months ago bought a 2016 Golf R DSG as a more practical daily commute / family car. (And they’re both grey.) The Golf R is amazing, no doubt about it. Incredible performance, and can get you from A to B very quickly indeed. But for the sheer pleasure of driving, the MX-5 wins hands down. Plus you can do most of the servicing yourself.
I feel like this is a bit of a wierd comparison.
A 4-door hot hatch with near to 300hp, AWD, and a $35k starting price
against a 2-door convertible with 181hp and a ~$26k starting price.
Still on track they might be somewhat close, though I expect the Miata to be both more fun and slower.
The miata featured here has a more powerful engine and LSD, bumps up the price
@@divyangmistry7454 The LSD might, although it really shouldn't much.
The more powerful 181hp engine is simply standard for 2019+ MX-5's.
@@Dolby109 Didn't knew that.
These guys compared type R and M2 Comp a while back, calculate the price difference there.
But that video made sense as both the cars were 1-2 seconds apart on the track.
Many people want to own a roadster or a hot hatch or both, this might be a video geared towards them.
@@divyangmistry7454 MT Compared the V6 1LE Camaro (which runs pretty similar lap times to the CTR) to the regular M2. The M2 won, but not by a huge margin. The SS 1LE was still cheaper than the base M2, but I think they wanted it a bit closer performance wise than price.
@@Dolby109 Yea, cause the SS 1LE would curb stomp the M2.
Thanks for a really fun vid guys.
Thanks for the great content!
This is why you just buy both, like I did! Except the Miata is an NA and it's a dedicated track car now, and the R is a DSG.
Good video. A professional race car driver would probably end up with closer - and more consistent - times but, the results would probably be similar. The Miata is such fun to drive - it always has been.
Cross shopping these cars myself right now! Wonderfully timed video, and great production as always.
Hope we helped! They are both great cars
That wrist brace explanation was both perplexing and hilarious!!!!
Would love 2 see a gli vs wrx or gli vs si
Can you please do rwd vs awd?
BMW M240 rwd with LSD vs M240 xdrive would be very interesting.
RWD will walk all over it, even with open diff.
@@pikachupowers Not sure.
The instructor from BMW driving experience was saying that 5 series xdrive is faster through 30sec auto x course than non xdrive model.
@@tajo98 he would have to prove it then. BMW's were designed as RWD vehicles.
@@pikachupowers that is exactly why I asked these guys to do it. ;-)
This is RWD (Miata) vs AWD (Golf R)
You guys may be my favorite car reviewers now
Awesome! Keep them track times stacking!
This is absurd how well you guys are doing....
Mark my words guys, your growing places with this channel.
At 200k subscribers I'm getting million sub content.
I'm glad I'll be here to watch every video and see it.
Can't wait for more.
Time to share you guys to the world
Thanks for watching and sharing!
Yohoo! Watching this at work.
Congrats on 200k
This is an awesome video. Great idea to compare these two cars.
I’m interested to see a MK 7.5 GTI would do up against a Miata. I love both cars and own both. So, it would be a win, win for me to see!
Giulia Quadrifoglio vs M3 CS vs C63S sedan vs Model 3 DMP please!
Daniel Marconi add the Model 3 DMP to that and do some drag racing.
Need to wait for the new M3 imo though, but good suggestion.
@@Newzchspy
No contest, the Tesla will wipe the floor with them in a drag race.
WB Wayne and in the track/handling test....
@@wbwayne8887 Model 3 is still good at drag racing, but those other three can actually beat it.
The mist made many shots in this quite cinematic :) Even 4 years ago Throttle House was already top notch
Solid channel great automotive content. You guys are on your way.
Both cars are fun in their own way
Love that fact that both of them are a manual
Golf can't drift properly.
Both are my favourites, y'all lead me to a difficult position. 😥
nice to come back to this video and know james chose both
Great work boys
Those two cars price matched? In hungary there is 1,5x rate if You speck the Golf R, either the Golf R is cheap, or the Miata is expensive AF there
I’m getting grand tour vibes from this lmao
Why dont you have 1million subscribers yet? Great videos! Love your channel...
Good stuff guys! Surprised to see them that close in lap times!! How about a video showing how just a simple tire change can help lap times??
Nice review👍🏽 However I didn’t expect to see Golf R is 4sec slower than Audi RS3, as I thought they should be neck-to-neck competitor on the track
I think you may mean the S4*
@@djengomd6285 The S3 is the same as the Golf R. In NA, we don't get the hatch version of the S3, but other places do. From what I've seen, the Audi is a bit quicker on the track. Perhaps the suspension is tuned more for the track than the Golf is.
Wow!! That's insanely cheap. In Denmark a MX-5 (the cheapest version with 184HP), costs: 71.700 Canadian Dollars!!!
A Golf R (300HP, 4-motion), costs....drumroll: 125.500 Canadian Dollars.
When everything is expensive shouldn't that just adjust your vision of what a normal price is? I expect with the price of cars in Denmark the average annual income is also a bit higher than average.
Wow. That's insane! Or course you have got public transit options.
Here in the US I'm looking at used cars around $10,000 and if you're ok with a few miles you can get a pretty nice car
Great video! I own a Golf R and am looking to buy a Miata so this was very interesting for me.
Yuuuurrrrr new content!
You guys are flippin stupid (in a good way) and I love every minute of it. Haha.
GTI & Golf R are better all around daily drivers for me, but I do like the Miata RF!
Bruce Tumblin Jr
And that is the reason i changed from miata to gti
.... don’t want to be overly harsh but the fact that you (finally) understand that a Golf is a better daily driver than a Miata doesn’t cast a positive light on your general smartness....
jogu123 what makes you think I’m just realizing this genius?
Bruce Tumblin Jr ....the fact that you decided to post your genius message....
jogu123 NEGATIVE smart guy, the fact that I gave the other tubers my choice & my reason for that choice does not indicate that I’m just finding this out
This is proper apple and oranges one haha, but hey any excuse to have some fun on the track, great video guys !
More of this please. I miss this old TH.
not sure how these cars ended up price matched. the golf r is better value but I love the mx5. ps theres more time in that mx5
I love both cars but since I already have a small light weight 2dr spots car (lotus Elise)...I would love to go for the golf R next
Congrats on 200K! You guys are my favorite car reviewers on CZcams. Your videos are always instant watches for me!
Thanks!!
New subscriber and bell ringer. Love the channel!
Welcome!
Soooo I've known Jakub and Yuri for years and they're personal friends of mine and I love their channel.....buuuuuuuut YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT TO PASS THEM HARD IN THE LEFT LANE ;)
Jakub and Yuri: (In unison) WITH FRIENDS LIKE YOU, WHO NEEDS ENEMIES. 🤣🤣
@@wbwayne8887 they're good sports ;)
@@DeeJayAdverb
You can tell they would be. They are also excellent at their work. Always love their intros too. "I'm Jakub, I'm Yuri and we're going for a ride."
@@DeeJayAdverb
Especially a few vids ago when Yuri changed it up for the Kia Tell U Ride.
I find that the straightpipes guys changed with time... They are now a bit full of themselves and arrogant. Still good content but disconnected.
I could be wrong but it’s the feeling I’m getting.
Impressive finish for the MX-5 given the massive power difference. I wouldn't trade my '21 GT for anything, it's the most fun I've ever had behind the wheel.
I just bought a 22 MX-5 GT and I love it. I've had a couple s550 Mustangs and a couple WRX's, but they were nowhere near as fun as my MX-5
I got rid of mine for a Elantra N , I thought I'd regret it but I don't.
The Veloster N is back in the intro! Yes!
Love u guys... nice video..
Open windows on the Miata though? Doesn't that affect the aero drag during hot laps? Genuine question I'm not a race driver.
Yes, it does to a great extent indeed.
lalo f golf r would win even if the windows were closed, almost double the hp and AWD. Each pair of wheels on the golf is pushing with the same power as both rear wheels on the Miata.
@@thefancyllama4657 But the results show there was only 2 seconds in it? So having the windows closed would probably close that laptime by about a second or maybe the full 2 seconds. If you think how much of a difference the aero makes on supercars, having windows down is like putting a sail up on a pirate ship hahaha
@@thefancyllama4657
The Golf is much heavier and has a higher center of mass, so it's not that easy...
@@thefancyllama4657 That would only be the case in an even split full-time AWD system. The golf R is a front biased haldex system so it only sends power to the rear when the fancy german engineered computer decides it wants to.
Two of my favorite cars (at any price.) I've always lusted after a Miata but never owned one. That's the result of competing priorities in terms of passenger capacity and versatility. I don't own a Golf R either, but my Stage I tuned GTI provides the power of a stock Golf R while lacking the advantage of AWD. I wouldn't give up my beloved VW but when the kid goes off to college and the dog dies, I would consider adding a Miata to the family fleet.
You can get a Miata with reasonable miles and fair condition quite cheap. I just did.
My main/sensible/family car is a EV, which of course is auto, heavy, wallowy.
Can you guess which one makes me grin like a loon when I drive it?
@PaulMansfield what about having only one car? Can the miata be as practical to be a family car? Lmao
u guys make the best car review 😂 and congrats on 200,000 subs u deserved it and deserve more
Nice video - just picked up a Golf R manual last week, but only after practicality talked me out of the new MX-5! I'm hoping some circumstances with other cars in the household will change and I can trade one of those in for a nice CPO 2019 MX-5 And achieve that dream garage...
Sold my Miata for a Golf R. Miss my Miata but love the golf.
is it a 6MT, the golf?
Definitely a more practical daily driver
It's hard to beat the do it all Golf R...especially considering the discounts you can get.
Zuby A dsg a year later lol
The golf r need a rear anti sway bar! Helps a fair amount with the from end grip
need sway bar and tires the tire that comes on the Golf R suck!! sadly i have a sway bar but no good tires
@@kevinrotge4774 the golf comes with nice summer performance continentals. They are not bad. They stick pretty well.
This content is beautiful. Now I have to find a WRX video to see how mine stacks up.
Love the windmills