@@Zoomlenial There was an insane ammount of low cmc interaction so it was a more hostile meta towards it, not to mention gy is a resource with Lurrus so discard is not as amazing. I know because a friend was heavy on orzhov scam wich to be fair, was quite a pretty deck.
I dont know if its a conscientious decision on your part Brian, but i always appreciate it when youtube ads show up between games, and it happens often enough on your channel that I notice. If its done by your hand, thanks very much :)
As a truck driver I don’t normally want to go to New York City but the advertisement is wanting me to take my 34 hour break there and play vintage with proxies and hope to take something besides dead last because top 8 would be pretty sweet even if I never play vintage in paper ever again because the price on those cards is like an investment at this point. Wait 5-10 years and think about selling and I’ll have some money for a nice vacation.
42:49 Brian: I could play lurrus.. Me, out loud: no you can’t Brian: I could play lurrus by untapping mox pearl with manifold key Me: Oh yeah good point
@@BoshNRoll womp womp :( Can't wait for your coverage of the event, no matter what happens! There is always so much insight to be gained from your videos, thanks for your S+ tier content as always
Something small that I don't think you did, which is important to know is "the top trick", you can activate to draw with top, untap it with key and draw again, drawing a card and redrawing the top. When you are infinitely ahead on mana, it allows you to actually go up on cards with top, burying your opponent when they could otherwise grind out of it.
Thank you for the video. The Lurrus combo deck looks really fun. NYSE is caped at 140 players per the link in the description but you said they were adding 4 Foil Gaea's Cradle to the prize pool if they hit 155 players which is it?
My exercise when answering questions like this isn't just "is Ponder good" but "what card am I cutting for it and how is Ponder better than that card". This deck is crazy tight and already at the minimum on flex slots (1 Bauble, 1 Opal, 1 Repeal, 1 FoN). Next cuts look like a Lorien Revealed or a Dress Down, both of which provide card selection and/or draw while doing something else too. We're not cutting a PO or Breach. Need all the mana. Where is the 2nd Ponder going?
@@BoshNRoll But that is kind of my question. Ponder a clearly a strong card, but as it wasn't played over anything else, this would be an indicator that while powerful in card selection, is it too unimpactful as say dress down. ( it seems like the card I would look at as the swap slot if at all). Does the deck need 4 dress downs, vs more card selection finding power cards such as PO or even one of the 3 dress downs remaining if you need it. Dress down helps answer things like saga tokens and give a window against stax creatures. but ponder could help you find , . Is the mana and time needed for ponder not efficient enough to warrant this? hence the question "too uninpactful" and just needs to be a card like dress down and maximize just seeing it naturally with out card selection to find it. Compared to legacy where ponder is being your setup card, your land fixing tool, and your action card, in vintage is the role of ponder lessened due to the surrounding more power cards and fast mana mitigating the need of ponder in vintage to where its not as needed? Is the raw power of a vintage card make it so a single card draw with an additional effect (dress down) better than trying to find a specific card (ponder) since they are all equally powerful and it doesn't really matter which one it is
@@antmansenpaiI think a big element is the ability to recur dress down with Lurrus, which is a very effective creature lock and card advantage engine in a grindy game
Any consideration to be made for Borne Upon A Wind as a way to breach or time vault on an opponent's turn? I'm sure there's purge shenanigans to be had or is the two mana too cute for Vintage??
Unfortunately time vault says "take another turn after this one" so if your opponent can combo off or remove the vault/key you can lose even if you pull it off. Funny ruling here, if the opponent time vaults after yours has resolved, they take all the turns and you never get one. It's also just that vintage cards need to be more powerful than that. This is competing with the likes of crazy cards like mystical tutor, gush, tinker etc (all not in this list). Maybe if it cost 0 or drew 2 cards or something equally powerful.
chatting, forgot this was a lurrus deck and gush/tinker aren't allowed. Just replace those examples with preordain/ponder/blue vintage staples though, the point is that diluting your deck with weak cards is bad, I still agree with my conclusion.
Brian mentions ponder as a 4 as potential flex slots since there are so many more powerful things to do in Vintage, I figured there might be spots where holding 4 mana and breaching on an opponents end step might be advisable to beat FoN or protect the haymakers with your own. Slamming a breach or vault into play on the opponents end step let's you untap with them on the field and hold up a fair chunk of your interaction at the same time.
"Sometimes saga just solos a game" they did 17 damage to themselves and bricked off, the 3 damage from saga was very important but I think "solo" is the wrong word here lmao
@Dracomandriuthus Lavaspur boots are specifically for making the Saga beats a two turn clock, not 3 (or 3 not 5 if they have removal). Mox, Sol and Lotus aren't a gameplan. Saga beats aren't an ideal gameplan but it is good enough if you keep FoW, blue card, sideboard hate, Saga, mox and lands. I think Lavaspur boots will see play in any Legacy Urza's Saga deck that can poop out 6/6 constructs on turn two. Every vintage Saga deck can do this, as they run power 9 artifact mana. I will concede that Lotus is almost always the right get with Lurrus, though, even if Saga beats are the plan. So maybe they don't see play in Lurrus builds?
Keeping a hand and then going "I don't necessarily like this plan, based on all the things I said about the Fast and the Furious" had me WHEEZING.
End step Dress Down loop with Lurrus was my favorite thing about the card in modern. It was so fun to lock out Titan with that
Me too. Crushing endgame vs Hammer too
never thought about the fact that Lurrus was still legal while the scam shell was printed fully, just missing bowmasters
@@incommunicado_oIt was so good that Scam wasn’t even on the Radar, crazy times
@@Zoomlenial There was an insane ammount of low cmc interaction so it was a more hostile meta towards it, not to mention gy is a resource with Lurrus so discard is not as amazing. I know because a friend was heavy on orzhov scam wich to be fair, was quite a pretty deck.
I've never played vintage but Im planning on attending that NYSE event. It seems hard to find vintage content so thank you for these videos.
Shout out to iamlvlone for being another amazing eternal mtg content creator and specifically being a vintage streamer
I dont know if its a conscientious decision on your part Brian, but i always appreciate it when youtube ads show up between games, and it happens often enough on your channel that I notice.
If its done by your hand, thanks very much :)
That first match is one of the most vintage matches of all time
Love the vintage content, some of my favorite! Looking forward to more NYSE prep!
bosh pack smoke em if you got em
not used to seeing a vintage deck laid out like that. cool
We all saw 1:02:03 Mr Coval. You know what you did
It's BOSHING TIME ladies and gents time to get your mf BOSH ON
Gooooood morning boshers and rollers!
As a truck driver I don’t normally want to go to New York City but the advertisement is wanting me to take my 34 hour break there and play vintage with proxies and hope to take something besides dead last because top 8 would be pretty sweet even if I never play vintage in paper ever again because the price on those cards is like an investment at this point. Wait 5-10 years and think about selling and I’ll have some money for a nice vacation.
10:23 *happy thumbless goblin noises*
It's about time since we had a trophy!!
42:49
Brian: I could play lurrus..
Me, out loud: no you can’t
Brian: I could play lurrus by untapping mox pearl with manifold key
Me: Oh yeah good point
I love me a blue toolbox in legacy. Just get to see ancestral, timevault, all the mox
45:27 Why does Lurrus have the option of attacking Bosh N Roll?
mtgo being mtgo (buggy)
Sometimes cats just attack you because they feel like attacking you, it makes sense to me
Hello!
Hello!
45:27 Why does it say "Attack Bosh N Roll" when Lurrus attacks Narset?
It’s a MTGO display bug that happens sometimes
m1g2 was incredibly funny - 1 in 4 to just immediately win, sometimes it works!
This video reminded me, did you manage to win the challenge for free entry in the NYC?
Lost in top 8 :(
@@BoshNRoll womp womp :(
Can't wait for your coverage of the event, no matter what happens!
There is always so much insight to be gained from your videos, thanks for your S+ tier content as always
I think I'm starting to understand why pre rule change Lurris was straight up banned for power level.
Yeah it was mega stupid
This is everything I love about vintage.
I love how Vintage decks are all ten cards or so away from being highlander decks because *almost every card in the format is restricted list*
POWERFUL MAGIC
Hey Shekgi, thanks for reminding me to comment!
Vintage goodness ❤❤
Watching this deck is fun
Something small that I don't think you did, which is important to know is "the top trick", you can activate to draw with top, untap it with key and draw again, drawing a card and redrawing the top. When you are infinitely ahead on mana, it allows you to actually go up on cards with top, burying your opponent when they could otherwise grind out of it.
he did it with repeal round 1, it's the exact same mechanic, I think he knows
RECALL?/ your favourite magic card??, thats meant to be ponder!!!
Thank you for the video. The Lurrus combo deck looks really fun. NYSE is caped at 140 players per the link in the description but you said they were adding 4 Foil Gaea's Cradle to the prize pool if they hit 155 players which is it?
There is a series of trials that award free entry. There is room above the posted cap for those winners.
@@BoshNRoll Thank you. I will have to look at attending one of these trials.
Match 1 Game 2 is vintage at its finest
Mox go up, mox come down
what if ur opponent jus exiles the brain freeze, do u win with lurrus or what?
oh shit forgot about the best card ever made urza's saga
Damn brian, good shit :D
I know this was just copied from a recent 5-0 list, but is ponder too unimpactful to want more than 1?
It doesn't get bounced by outcome or replayed by lurrus so I could see why it might have less value in this deck
My exercise when answering questions like this isn't just "is Ponder good" but "what card am I cutting for it and how is Ponder better than that card". This deck is crazy tight and already at the minimum on flex slots (1 Bauble, 1 Opal, 1 Repeal, 1 FoN). Next cuts look like a Lorien Revealed or a Dress Down, both of which provide card selection and/or draw while doing something else too. We're not cutting a PO or Breach. Need all the mana. Where is the 2nd Ponder going?
@@BoshNRoll But that is kind of my question. Ponder a clearly a strong card, but as it wasn't played over anything else, this would be an indicator that while powerful in card selection, is it too unimpactful as say dress down. ( it seems like the card I would look at as the swap slot if at all). Does the deck need 4 dress downs, vs more card selection finding power cards such as PO or even one of the 3 dress downs remaining if you need it. Dress down helps answer things like saga tokens and give a window against stax creatures. but ponder could help you find , . Is the mana and time needed for ponder not efficient enough to warrant this? hence the question "too uninpactful" and just needs to be a card like dress down and maximize just seeing it naturally with out card selection to find it.
Compared to legacy where ponder is being your setup card, your land fixing tool, and your action card, in vintage is the role of ponder lessened due to the surrounding more power cards and fast mana mitigating the need of ponder in vintage to where its not as needed?
Is the raw power of a vintage card make it so a single card draw with an additional effect (dress down) better than trying to find a specific card (ponder) since they are all equally powerful and it doesn't really matter which one it is
@@antmansenpaiI think a big element is the ability to recur dress down with Lurrus, which is a very effective creature lock and card advantage engine in a grindy game
is there a reason you didnt cast PO to try and spike some god cards in R2G1?
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Any consideration to be made for Borne Upon A Wind as a way to breach or time vault on an opponent's turn? I'm sure there's purge shenanigans to be had or is the two mana too cute for Vintage??
Unfortunately time vault says "take another turn after this one" so if your opponent can combo off or remove the vault/key you can lose even if you pull it off. Funny ruling here, if the opponent time vaults after yours has resolved, they take all the turns and you never get one.
It's also just that vintage cards need to be more powerful than that. This is competing with the likes of crazy cards like mystical tutor, gush, tinker etc (all not in this list). Maybe if it cost 0 or drew 2 cards or something equally powerful.
oh and ponder is at 4 now
chatting, forgot this was a lurrus deck and gush/tinker aren't allowed. Just replace those examples with preordain/ponder/blue vintage staples though, the point is that diluting your deck with weak cards is bad, I still agree with my conclusion.
Brian mentions ponder as a 4 as potential flex slots since there are so many more powerful things to do in Vintage, I figured there might be spots where holding 4 mana and breaching on an opponents end step might be advisable to beat FoN or protect the haymakers with your own.
Slamming a breach or vault into play on the opponents end step let's you untap with them on the field and hold up a fair chunk of your interaction at the same time.
I love vintage
the most busted deck in magic
"Sometimes saga just solos a game" they did 17 damage to themselves and bricked off, the 3 damage from saga was very important but I think "solo" is the wrong word here lmao
Hi shekgi
Isn't ponder unrestricted now?
1:00:00 they couldn’t use the Force of Negation on their turn.
You can play Tinker, just not Trinket Mage, which doesnt get Time Vault anyway. I hope that clarification helps.
Do you think LavaSpur Boots are playable here?
Probably not.
You've got Lotus and Sol Ring, and moxen for fixing
@Dracomandriuthus Lavaspur boots are specifically for making the Saga beats a two turn clock, not 3 (or 3 not 5 if they have removal). Mox, Sol and Lotus aren't a gameplan. Saga beats aren't an ideal gameplan but it is good enough if you keep FoW, blue card, sideboard hate, Saga, mox and lands.
I think Lavaspur boots will see play in any Legacy Urza's Saga deck that can poop out 6/6 constructs on turn two. Every vintage Saga deck can do this, as they run power 9 artifact mana.
I will concede that Lotus is almost always the right get with Lurrus, though, even if Saga beats are the plan. So maybe they don't see play in Lurrus builds?