i can only imagine what i must have been like for old who fans, seeing the show come back and quickly learning that Gallifrey and all the timelords are long gone, must have been a real shock to them i'd assume.
The Time Lords became a bit of a joke, in Classic Who. When watching Eccleston, seeing that a whole fleet of Daleks were revealed to have survived the Time War, I knew Gallifrey would rise again.
@@imrebarten6115 my 8 year old Nephew has just watched series 1 up to Capaldi "Deep Breath". He is expecting the big hunt for Gallifrey and more of the Time War. You know what, so am I, but I know that isn't gonna happen😂😂😂 I can't believe how much potential was wasted by Moffat and especially Chinballs
@@CorbinTheMiner I still think it would have been better had he not had the falling out with the producers and played the role of the War Doctor instead of adding John Hurt in the timeline. Not that I don't like John Hurt, but the way Chris Eccleston carried the guilt in his season was perfect for it.
@NeoMaruLLB I like that he wasn't The Doctor in the time war because he never would've wanted the face who killed them all to have the title of The Doctor
@@NeoMaruLLB The Eighth Doctor actually has quite a few EU stories relating to the time war, so I personally wish they’d brought Paul McGann in for the role lol (I liked John Hurt though)
"To be fair they cut out all the jokes" 1st is just absolutely traumatized while 12th is like ,"god damn these 4th dimensional beings spoiling my future!"
The Doctor mentioning the Time War literally in the first episode of the reboot just shows how important the Last Great Time War is to the New Who storyline.
Man, the way Tennant plays the Doctor's PTSD and grief about the Time War is just unbeatable. The sparkle in his eye while recounting Gallfrey at 16:37, the anger and bitterness he shows at 26:20, such a phenomenal actor and Doctor.
Eccleston was so disgustingly underrated as the Doctor. Dalek and Parting of the ways are hands down some of the best episodes ever made. After that they kept recycling the Daleks
No Jodie is not a time lord. All things that happened with Jodie in the show will be retconned. And no time travel shit either Jodie simply was not a doctor. It's not canon.
@@awsomewe360using the word “rocky” is being generous, jodies run was painfully fucking shit, I can’t think of 1 episode where I would genuinely want to sit down and watch it again, it was so trash that it somehow is worse than the 6th doctors run.......I didn’t think it could be possible.
If theres one thing RTD did right, it was the mystery of the Time War. For classic who fans coming back to the new era, knowing the Time Lords are all gone even the Daleks (sort of) because of this unknown universe wide brutal war.
It doesn’t happen too often but the moments when the doctor just stands in front of someone and reveals who he is and they just start running is perfect to me. The man who hates violence is the most deadly being in the universe, and everyone runs.
I hope TD just "cough" turns the Jody-era into either a dream sequence, a alternative-universe-sequence, or does something that fixes the prior mess! (Maybe in reality Jody was a different version of The Master, but they didn't act insane like usual!)
Dalek caan flew into the timewar unprotecteded so maybe it went insane when It heard the doctor declare no more and he probably saw the doctor push the red button since there was no other option to stop the dalek race.
I only started watching Who last year, starting with Rose and going completely blind except for the obvious (certain actors etc) and the very first namedrop of the Time War had me instantly intrigued
@@DennisRash Nope it started with the 4th according to RTD Genesis of the Daleks was the start, followed by Remembrance of the Daleks. These early adventures were retrofitted into the Time War chronology which I like
@@cliffhomewood sorry there is a misunderstanding here, I didn't mistype when I said that I started watching doctor who with the 9th doctor. I didn't phrase my sentence well in my original comment. Sorry about that! Haha
6:49 I love this scene. He says that before the war he was a father and a grandfather, now he is neither, he is now just a doctor, which is exactly what the doctor is. Before the great time war he was actually a father and a grandfather, we met his granddaughter Susan in the first episode of Doctor Who. Either she passed away when living on Earth, or when the Time war happened she was called back and killed. I do hope they bring Susan back at some point though, even if she has regenerated it would be nice for the doctor to see her again.
The Time War was actually referenced in Fugitive of the Judoon. The Thirteenth Doctor tells Gat, “I’ve seen Gallifrey destroyed twice. First by a war, second by a lunatic who I’m still trying to find..”
That scene in Thin Ice gets me every time, a beautiful dissection of the doctor's character, especially connected with the time war. Perfect acting by Pearl and Peter.
After the Doctor did everything to save his planet, his people and finally put his nightmarish memories of the Time War to rest you think we could have seen more adventures in Gallifrey. But Chibnall comes along and quickly destroys everything that Davies & Moffat created and build to reach a well deserved conclusion.
@@ZemplinTemplar RTD has confirmed that he won't be changing anything from Chibnall's run Which honestly I'm fine with. I didn't like a lot of the stuff from Moffat's run but I don't pretend it never happened
7:39 Davros almost says exactly this. “Never looking back because he dare not, out of shame.” edit 2 days later: Davros had been autocorrected to Davies.
Actually, I think it was more of a question that a statement. The Cult of Skaro had left during the Time War, so they didn't know the outcome of the Emperor when his ship fell back through time, and he ended up getting the delusion he was a god because he created new Daleks out of the dead. It's really unclear how long the Cult of Skaro was in the void ship, but it was definitely sometime before the end of the Time War.
'Til he met *me*. 'Cause if these are gonna be my last words then you're gonna listen. I met the Emperor, and I took the time vortex and poured it into his head and turned him into dust. 'D ya get that? The god of all Daleks, and I destroyed him! HA! That is one of Rose's great and shining moments right there. Rockin' AWESOME.
It’s all the references in the televised series bar Day of the Doctor which best guess is that there is too much Time War Lore in Day of the Doctor that it would basically be copyrighted instantly because it would probably be like half the episode
Yk as good as season 5 was, I sometimes wish the whole format didn't change so drastically. I really liked the whole atmosphere RTD developed in his seasons. I mean he was on his A game by the time he got to season 4 and the specials. I feel like RTD had a really good way of writing for the Time Lords. Their return in "The End of Time" was something else. He made them feel like they were this legendary civilisation which is what they were always intended to be. If RTD stayed on and they continued that story, it would have been insane. Don't get me wrong, I loved season 5. It was great but felt so far removed from everything that had happened and I think it's a shame. RTD had built this entire little universe with all these characters and for a long time, they were all forgotten about. Also, the way the Time Lords were written in his era felt very lacklustre to their appearance in "The End of Time." I think it was mainly down to budget constraints but it really tarnished that legendary feel to them for me.
The Beast Below was such a nice early episode with Smith and Pond. It really sold me on these two, this arc. I adore how the Companions show the Doctor things he doesn't think of, point of views he never considered.
The Time War started in the seventh Doctor's run on the show and continued in Paul McGann's Audio Adventures. Russell T. Davies just continued the narrative of what was already there.
I could watch every stand alone, one-and-done episode, and it wouldnt compare to the intense emotion of watching the whole regret of the Time War unfold in this video. Thank you.🥲 ...Although, adding the scene of Doc12 breaking through the diamond wall after 4.5 billion years would have been a nice cherry on top to finding Gallifrey.
The diamond wall scene is probably my favourite scene in the whole show. It's so powerful... I don't usually cry while watching TV but I definitely cried watching that episode.
Chantho: Chan, Professor Yana, tho? Professor Yana: THAT IS NOT MY NAME! "The Professor" was an invention. So perfect a disguise that I forgot who I am. Chantho: Chan, Then who are you, tho? Professor Yana: (Barely a whisper) I. Am. The MASTER!" (Electrocutes Chantho)
tennant will always be my favorite (he was the first doctor i ever watched--ironically it was the peter capaldi episode about pompeii lol), but all four of them are just fabulous
Something i love is that you can track this really clear progression from how each doctor chooses to cope with the time war. 9 is very emotionally raw, he wears his anger and sorrow on his sleeve for the world to see. 10 tries to justify, claiming himself the time lord victorious, always reminding himself it's what he HAD to do. 11 masks, he pretends to be fine until he just can't anymore and unleashes all that pent up pain and cruelty at some poor sod that decides to test his rules. 12 is finally the one to start coming to terms with it, still hurt, but actively trying to heal.
Wait, I know the show needs to move on from it eventually, but was the Time War seriously not mentioned once in the Chibnall era? Even when the Master drove the Timelords back into extinction? I'm asking because I can't remember personally, apart from in her first episode when Yaz asked "have you got any family?" And the doctor responded "no, lost them a long time ago."
In Fugitive of the Judoon, The Doctor talks about Gallifrey being destroyed twice, first by a war, second by a lunatic. That's the only time I can think it gets referenced.
Normally, I might complain about this detail a bit, but that would be like arguing with one of the writers and they happened to be Mokey from Fraggle Rock and you want to be nice and courteous about it, but it's Mokey.
Chibnall wanted to "reinvent the Time Lords" because he believed it went the wrong route after he disagreed with an episode back in the "Before Tom Baker era" of Doctor Who. So he decided to "make Doctor Who" his way, which just so happens to have tossed all the lore out the window, ignore the fan-base, & piss everyone off! (not to mention, when Jody was casted, he even told/ordered her not to watch any of the previous episodes...just so that she stayed a "clean canvas"!) Though since she got rather bad dialog & writing, & her outfit wasn't remotely unique... I'd say the Chibnall Era was a bust. (don't get me wrong, there were some nice potential storylines...but the Timeless Child was shit...the bit about the old Gods...was crap. & the prehistory of the Time Lords was, again...completely against the pre-established lore!) & to drive home... the message that the BBC basically passed along, from the Timeless Child...was that experimenting on children is what you definitely want to do & it's perfectly alright, as long as it helps to further one's sadistic-ambitions of immortality, as well as "benefit the entire race", but at the same time, keep all knowledge of what happens secret from the populace!
The Time Wars get referenced so often but when you actually get shown what happens it all seems tiny compared to the stuff the Doctor is doing in the here and now. He walks around like a hurt puppy whenever it's referenced, but 3 minutes later he'll be wiping out entire civilizations like it's nothing. Still love the show though so I guess it really doesn't matter lmao.
We only ever see the last moments of the time war during the fall of arcadia. The war is already lost. They mention it in the beginning of the day of the doctor. All omega weapons have been used. The abominations have been shot at wigh all the arsenal they had. It is over and the dalek fleet has reached gallifrey. Rassilons counsel takes place a bit eralier but not much. It is safe to assume the doctor has witnessed what he tells the master before that. The war must have been unimaginably big. Impossible to show on screen. The laws of time broken, war tardises capable of destroying galaxies burnt by even bigger abominations. Countlesss planets destroyed in the crossfire. Omega weapons altering the fabric of the universe deployed to deal with abominations. And in there is the doctor fighting, taking lives, creating his own crossfire, causing atrocties of his own. One xplosion of a war tardis alone could wipe a star system. And after witnessing the defeat of the time lords and seeing what they had to become he swears, no more. He rather ends the time war and condemns them himself than to see them be slowly slaughtered. No the devastation must end. So just before two exhausted all mighty civilizations go back to stick and stones in their eyes, he ends it. Finally giving the universe back piece and sanity.
It was referenced in Fugitive of the Judoon. She says: "I'm not wrong. I've seen Gallifrey destroyed. Twice. First by a war, second by a lunatic who I'm still trying to find."
@@stevetayler9518 How can you not see it being made a joke? THAT’S A THE REAL QUESTION. I think you’re genuine so I’ll elaborate, transition from OldWho and NewWho was treating The Last Great Time War as a HUGE INFLECTION point. This was to create drama for the plot and explain the drastic change in the show’s direction. Old Doctors are vastly different than the brooding, old/young, regretful, broken Timelord that the NewWho Doctor was. The point of emphasis being, destruction of Gallifrey. It was following the rule of literature that the best way to make something mysterious is to not ruin the mystery with your writing. Time War was big, because it destroyed everything. Gallifrey was lost. Huge deal. Then they saved Gallifrey, but it was still lost. Huge Deal. Then they found Gallifrey recovering from the ruins of war, but this was good until Hell Bent which ruined the “appeal of mystery” again. The doctor basically destabilizes the ruling government and runs off with Clara… which is lame. Then just on a whim with Jodie, they show that a single rouge Timelord killed Gallifrey! The entire 10 season arc of crying over Gallifrey and then saving it then finding it then fighting it to save a human (clara) all for… “whoops I’m the master, I nuked everyone because I was in a bad mood” oh look CyberTimelords! And then after one episode they are gone! Oh wow, the biggest threat in all time, Timelords+CyberMen is just background noise? This analogy should make sense, Gallifrey Arc is like a puzzle that you spent all day making then your sibling comes home and kicks all the pieces across the room for fun. The analogy with online sales, is how frequent they are. Every company is always “on limited time sale” ALL THE YEAR.
56:34 says to read the description for the various reasons why the 50th special wasn't included, but all the description has is the chapter timestamps 🤔
The Doctor and Aang from Avatar The Last Airbender would find common ground. The Doctor sealed his people away for their protection from the Daleks The Air Nomads were eradicated by the Fire Nation, leaving only Aang, Appa and Momo to carry on their legacy.
I hope that what happened in the chibnell era like the timeless child and the master destroyed gallifrey single handed witch is dumb as hell is ignored cos some of it is confusing and contradicts some things and make the day of the Doctor episode the awesome episode of all pointless cos the three Doctor frozen gallifrey in a pocket universe and then gets destroyed by the master who shocked in series 3 episode the sound of drums to find out gallifrey was gone
The sad part is...This incarnation never remembered or even took part in saving the TIme Lords...He held on to the Guilt while 10, 11, and 12 Got closer...X.X
You know something. The Darlek's were right. The Doctor is a good Darlek. He preeches peace, but he prepares for war. He's a broken, old man who has lived for far too long. He wants peace, but he would destroy all of time and space for tjose he care for.
When is it first mention that the doctor erased the time lords ? There's like no mention of it ? All that dialogue just implies that the doctor fought during the war and destroyed the Daleks, but not that he killed the timelords. Despite the fact we all remember this, and the day of the doctor is around this event...
There's a bit at 12:00 from the Satan pit where the voice mentions that the doctor was the killer of his own kind. But not sure if there's a more definitive mention elsewhere 👍👊
It's first implied in Dalek. He says "I made it happen" in reference to the destruction of the daleks and says the Timelords died with them. I think the first direct reference is in the Satan Pit when the beast calls the Doctor "the killer of his own kind."
There was another mention in Series 12 when 13 meets timelords of the past in the judoon episode and she mentions how she first saw the planet destroyed by war.
The Doctor had thought that he had destroy Galifrey. In a way, he was right. Yet the series had provide some clues about Galifrey was not destroyed. Until the Day of the Doctor, Galifrey was destroyed as well as becoming the base of many legends and myths. Than the Docotr had learn how he save Galifrey. After the Eighth Doctor Became the Ninth Doctor. he decided to forget what he had done. Simply to help the Ninth Doctor as well as the future Doctors. After the 12th Doctor visit Galifrey, the Galifreyians decided to hide Galifrey somewhere in the vast Universe as well as Time itself. While the 13th Doctor had visited her home and discover what happen to it, she was not aware of what she had seen was one version of what happen to Galifrey. Somehow the series need to fill in one major plot hole so the Doctor can move on. The major plot hole which needs to be fill in is what happen to the Doctor's family. It is likely that most of the Doctor's family is still alive. These survivors do believe that the Doctor is not ready to learn the truth. Due to the lost of one of his sons during the last days of the Great Time War, the Doctor had become depressed. Until the Day of the Doctor, the Doctor began to think that he had lost almost of his entire family. Oddly, most of the Doctor's family are still alive. They have started a colony to preserve Galifreyian Civilization. Just in case Galifrey was destroy as a result of the war.
In defense of Whittaker era, the Time War story arc pretty much reached its culmination by Capaldi. There's no reason to continuously bring it up through the series from thereon.
‘Whittaker era’ ppl blame Jodie, but she had NOTHING to do with the creative direction, i dont understand why ppl name her as the show going wrong, its Chibnall’s fault, blame Chibnall. That fucking hack hides behind the namesake playing the doctor even when he gave her shit scripts
They really should have left the war as cannon. The 50th could have been a story of how future doctors helped and supported the war doctor press the red button. Giving him help.when he was helpless
Watching this after hearing old man doctor calls david tennants doctor the one that regrets and matt smiths doctor the one that forgets....i totally get it
As seen in the 60s anniversary shows we know that the doctor has gotten things wrong before and the fact is that he wouldn't even admit to his daughter that she was his daughter first of all and she was a time lord or technically a descendant of a time lord and therefore I like the song says teach teach your children well... He wasn't even willing to acknowledge his own daughter because to do so would be to acknowledge the fact that as a time lord and as the last of his race he has a responsibility to the future of his race but as we see he doesn't even his trauma and his PTSD doesn't allow him to see beyond the nose in front of his face it takes somebody like Donna to actually make him see that Jenny is his daughter and she's the one who names her so in many ways she's Jenny's aunt and in someways her foster mum, she's the one who makes Jenny c she's the one who teaches Jenny and that's the point she is trying to make the doctor understand that Jenny is his child even if she can't deal with the fact that in a way even if his world is no longer in existence as his child she is also a Time Lord as will any children she has and he had better buck up and be the parent who will make her a better future for the time Lords who may come after her for she may be the progenerator of a new Race of Time Lords and if that's the case she needs to be taught the right way unlike the way he and the master where taught.
I’m still trying to figure out how daleks somehow managed to beat Rassilon of all the characters. Rassilon the person who has universal destroying weapons and created time travel, and the Tardis.
Now David's back I don't want him to go. Sounds silly I know. I'm looking forward to ncuti. But having David and Catherine has made it great again for me.
Ok so my hopeful theory is that Jodie's and Dhawan's stories are alternate universes created by the Toymaker (he is his own God who create universes). Anyway, i refuse Dhawan as part of the Master legacy.......
They promised us unspeakable horrors like Nightmare Child, Hordes of Travesties, Army of Meanwhiles and Never-weres led by Could've been King. A war so horrible, that Time Lords became just as monstrous as Daleks. A literal hell that burned all creations. Instead they gave us Daleks shooting lasers at people in red robes.
@@rlacksgh9673 To be honest, whatever they did was always going to feel underwhelming. Sometimes the mystery of something is greater than actually seeing it. Plenty of horror movies that don't even show the creature are more effective than those that show some underwhelming CGI monstrosity. We just didn't need to see it really. If they wanna do audio stories for it that's fine, but I think we didn't need to see it on the big screen tbh.
56:35 it says to read the description, but there is nothing there to read. Was it removed? Could they not show the "The Day of the Doctor" for copyright issues or anything like that?
Are there really no references to the Time War during Jodie's run? Not even once? How was something like that overlooked, when it is such an integral part of the Doctor's character in NuWho? If that's really the case, the writers (as per usual) really did Jodie dirty.
@@Hexeradoff the top of my head, there were references to Boom Town, Journey’s End, The Unicorn and the Wasp, Stormcage, 11’s fez, Osgood, and a subtle reference to Bill being converted to a Cyberman. There’s also the presence of Sycorax, Ood, Judoon, Weeping Angels, and Silence.
I've only seen series 12 and flux but in fugitive of the judoon, 13 does mention gallifrey being destroyed once by a war. In the timeless children, the war doctor and a few scenes with him were also shown, when 13 breaks out of the matrix. And there are occasional references throughout her run about losing her family which could maybe relate to the war?
"I was there at the fall of arcadia" its funny now knowing that the 10th doctor genuinely was there and not just his past regeneration.
i can only imagine what i must have been like for old who fans, seeing the show come back and quickly learning that Gallifrey and all the timelords are long gone, must have been a real shock to them i'd assume.
Was actually awesome, doctor who back again, the story the doctor absolute awesome
now imagine watching S1-4, and hearing appearantly Gallfrey is back, the doctor is the boss and then the master turned them all into cybermen.
Weird
The Time Lords became a bit of a joke, in Classic Who.
When watching Eccleston, seeing that a whole fleet of Daleks were revealed to have survived the Time War, I knew Gallifrey would rise again.
@@imrebarten6115 my 8 year old Nephew has just watched series 1 up to Capaldi "Deep Breath". He is expecting the big hunt for Gallifrey and more of the Time War. You know what, so am I, but I know that isn't gonna happen😂😂😂 I can't believe how much potential was wasted by Moffat and especially Chinballs
as one of the 'old' fans the removal of all time lords/galifraians was not a shock it was a total retcon
Christopher Eccleston really captured the Doctor's trauma from the Time War
Eccelston's Doctor is fresh out the time war after all
Reminds me a lot of my dad for that reason
@@CorbinTheMiner I still think it would have been better had he not had the falling out with the producers and played the role of the War Doctor instead of adding John Hurt in the timeline. Not that I don't like John Hurt, but the way Chris Eccleston carried the guilt in his season was perfect for it.
@NeoMaruLLB I like that he wasn't The Doctor in the time war because he never would've wanted the face who killed them all to have the title of The Doctor
@@NeoMaruLLB The Eighth Doctor actually has quite a few EU stories relating to the time war, so I personally wish they’d brought Paul McGann in for the role lol (I liked John Hurt though)
Basically just the entirety of Day of the Doctor.
Obviously, because of copyright reasons and because it's longer than this vid alone. Absolutely understandable. Lol
"To be fair they cut out all the jokes"
1st is just absolutely traumatized while 12th is like ,"god damn these 4th dimensional beings spoiling my future!"
Kinda would make sense. Over a Billion years of fighting would desensitise anyone
How does that work as one says hes like 1400 years old? @@chilliicecream5456
The Doctor mentioning the Time War literally in the first episode of the reboot just shows how important the Last Great Time War is to the New Who storyline.
Man, the way Tennant plays the Doctor's PTSD and grief about the Time War is just unbeatable. The sparkle in his eye while recounting Gallfrey at 16:37, the anger and bitterness he shows at 26:20, such a phenomenal actor and Doctor.
This is what, for me, puts him above the rest. How he can elevate a scene with his facial expressions is just incredible.
Eccleston was so disgustingly underrated as the Doctor. Dalek and Parting of the ways are hands down some of the best episodes ever made. After that they kept recycling the Daleks
Before that too.
I hate that they killed of the Timelords permanently with Jodie. I was hoping to see them appear more prominently after their revival
They will come back
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No Jodie is not a time lord. All things that happened with Jodie in the show will be retconned. And no time travel shit either Jodie simply was not a doctor. It's not canon.
@@jai-kk5uu I do like Jodie as an actress, but I really do hope that you are right! Her run was pretty rocky.
@@awsomewe360using the word “rocky” is being generous, jodies run was painfully fucking shit, I can’t think of 1 episode where I would genuinely want to sit down and watch it again, it was so trash that it somehow is worse than the 6th doctors run.......I didn’t think it could be possible.
If theres one thing RTD did right, it was the mystery of the Time War. For classic who fans coming back to the new era, knowing the Time Lords are all gone even the Daleks (sort of) because of this unknown universe wide brutal war.
Explain Missy if the Doctor is the last Timelord?
@@danrossell6375shes dead half the time
She's the other last of the time Lords @@danrossell6375
It doesn’t happen too often but the moments when the doctor just stands in front of someone and reveals who he is and they just start running is perfect to me. The man who hates violence is the most deadly being in the universe, and everyone runs.
"Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically... RUN."
Demons run when a good man goes to war!
Anyone notice how caan said “no more” like the painting gallifrey will fall no more
LITERALY
I hope TD just "cough" turns the Jody-era into either a dream sequence, a alternative-universe-sequence, or does something that fixes the prior mess!
(Maybe in reality Jody was a different version of The Master, but they didn't act insane like usual!)
He made the same conclusion the War Doctor made. And because they're Daleks, went through with it
@@DarkArtsMage Most of her run is fine. The only thing really worth retconing is the timeless child
Dalek caan flew into the timewar unprotecteded so maybe it went insane when It heard the doctor declare no more and he probably saw the doctor push the red button since there was no other option to stop the dalek race.
I only started watching Who last year, starting with Rose and going completely blind except for the obvious (certain actors etc) and the very first namedrop of the Time War had me instantly intrigued
It's really good, I love the tenth but I started with the 9th
@@DennisRash Nope it started with the 4th according to RTD Genesis of the Daleks was the start, followed by Remembrance of the Daleks. These early adventures were retrofitted into the Time War chronology which I like
@@cliffhomewood sorry there is a misunderstanding here, I didn't mistype when I said that I started watching doctor who with the 9th doctor. I didn't phrase my sentence well in my original comment. Sorry about that! Haha
Annette Badland’s acting in Boom Town was incredible during her dinner chat.
6:49 I love this scene. He says that before the war he was a father and a grandfather, now he is neither, he is now just a doctor, which is exactly what the doctor is. Before the great time war he was actually a father and a grandfather, we met his granddaughter Susan in the first episode of Doctor Who. Either she passed away when living on Earth, or when the Time war happened she was called back and killed. I do hope they bring Susan back at some point though, even if she has regenerated it would be nice for the doctor to see her again.
She has come back for so e Big Finish Audio dramas and books. During the Time War she returned to Gallifrey to fight.
As early as Patrick Troughton the Doctor had lost his family. He has a heartfelt conversation with Victoria about how they sleep in his memories
39:00 I love for that briefest of moments the master becomes 100% lucid and goes what the fuck
The Time War was actually referenced in Fugitive of the Judoon. The Thirteenth Doctor tells Gat, “I’ve seen Gallifrey destroyed twice. First by a war, second by a lunatic who I’m still trying to find..”
No one
Who actually loves doctor who
Cares about a single episode of the fucking Thirteenth Doctor
@@Ghost-ql3hlI love Doctor Who and I do. So you are wrong.
That scene in Thin Ice gets me every time, a beautiful dissection of the doctor's character, especially connected with the time war. Perfect acting by Pearl and Peter.
After the Doctor did everything to save his planet, his people and finally put his nightmarish memories of the Time War to rest you think we could have seen more adventures in Gallifrey. But Chibnall comes along and quickly destroys everything that Davies & Moffat created and build to reach a well deserved conclusion.
14 and 15 will likely just pretend that most of 13's escapades were a hallucination.
@@ZemplinTemplar Or just some bad dream.
@@ZemplinTemplar like, they just need to retcon this to high-hell
@@ZemplinTemplar RTD has confirmed that he won't be changing anything from Chibnall's run
Which honestly I'm fine with. I didn't like a lot of the stuff from Moffat's run but I don't pretend it never happened
@@pikachucetthesecond4296Then he needs to retire.
7:39 Davros almost says exactly this. “Never looking back because he dare not, out of shame.”
edit 2 days later: Davros had been autocorrected to Davies.
"Don't you want to know what happened?"
*"PLACE YOUR HAND."*
"Happened to the *EmPrah?"*
*"THE EMPEROR SURVIVED!"*
Actually, I think it was more of a question that a statement. The Cult of Skaro had left during the Time War, so they didn't know the outcome of the Emperor when his ship fell back through time, and he ended up getting the delusion he was a god because he created new Daleks out of the dead.
It's really unclear how long the Cult of Skaro was in the void ship, but it was definitely sometime before the end of the Time War.
'Til he met *me*. 'Cause if these are gonna be my last words then you're gonna listen. I met the Emperor, and I took the time vortex and poured it into his head and turned him into dust. 'D ya get that? The god of all Daleks, and I destroyed him! HA!
That is one of Rose's great and shining moments right there. Rockin' AWESOME.
(Pepper Pot Shakes Sinisterly)
*"YOU WILL BE E X T E R M I N A T E D ! ! ! !"*@@mrz80
"All references?"
* laughs in Big Finish series *
It’s all the references in the televised series bar Day of the Doctor which best guess is that there is too much Time War Lore in Day of the Doctor that it would basically be copyrighted instantly because it would probably be like half the episode
Yk as good as season 5 was, I sometimes wish the whole format didn't change so drastically. I really liked the whole atmosphere RTD developed in his seasons. I mean he was on his A game by the time he got to season 4 and the specials. I feel like RTD had a really good way of writing for the Time Lords. Their return in "The End of Time" was something else. He made them feel like they were this legendary civilisation which is what they were always intended to be. If RTD stayed on and they continued that story, it would have been insane.
Don't get me wrong, I loved season 5. It was great but felt so far removed from everything that had happened and I think it's a shame. RTD had built this entire little universe with all these characters and for a long time, they were all forgotten about. Also, the way the Time Lords were written in his era felt very lacklustre to their appearance in "The End of Time." I think it was mainly down to budget constraints but it really tarnished that legendary feel to them for me.
Series One: 0:00 - 9:37
Series Two: 9:37 - 15:07
Series Three: 15:07 - 24:00
Series Four: 24:00 - 31:31
Specials: 31:31 - 39:44
Series Five: 39:44 - 43:29
Series Six: 43:29 - 48:09
Series Seven (A & B) + Specials & Minisode: 48:09 - 58:50
Series Eight: 58:50 - 1:02:57
Series Nine: 1:02:57 - 1:08:14
Series Ten: 1:08:14 - 1:13:32
The Beast Below was such a nice early episode with Smith and Pond. It really sold me on these two, this arc. I adore how the Companions show the Doctor things he doesn't think of, point of views he never considered.
The Time War was the best thing added to NuWho
The Time War started in the seventh Doctor's run on the show and continued in Paul McGann's Audio Adventures. Russell T. Davies just continued the narrative of what was already there.
@@owainmorgan3897the time war was not planned back then… it just worked out by coincidence…
1:03:40
The Doctor: my people are alive.
Chris chibnall: not for long
I could watch every stand alone, one-and-done episode, and it wouldnt compare to the intense emotion of watching the whole regret of the Time War unfold in this video. Thank you.🥲
...Although, adding the scene of Doc12 breaking through the diamond wall after 4.5 billion years would have been a nice cherry on top to finding Gallifrey.
The diamond wall scene is probably my favourite scene in the whole show. It's so powerful... I don't usually cry while watching TV but I definitely cried watching that episode.
0:11 I love how you can feel the guilt in the doctor’s voice for not being able to save the Nestene consciousness
David Tennant just gives that extra 10% compared to anyone else, what an actor!
Disagree Eccleston gave more
Christopher Eccleston was my favorite.
@@LongClawzHidden facts
Agreed, he's a very underrated actor.
I mean Eccleston is one of my favorites but I like Tennant the most
Davros: you have redeemed the time lords from the fire do not lose them again.
a few seasons later welp that didn't go as planned.
Thanks for putting this together. Excellently done!
Eccilston was a perfect doctor.
Just wanted to highlight Jabe's revelation that she knew he was a timelord and his reaction to her grief for him
Only a species without Time Travel could carry the single true wisdom that alludes a Time Traveler. That wisdom? Everything has its time.
Davros "Do not lose them again!!"
Chibnall "I am just gonna pretend i did not hear that."
Caan: I saw the Daleks, what we have done throughout time and space. I saw the truth of us, creator, and I decreed: No! More!
Talk about a Heel-Face Turn.
Chantho: Chan, Professor Yana, tho?
Professor Yana: THAT IS NOT MY NAME! "The Professor" was an invention. So perfect a disguise that I forgot who I am.
Chantho: Chan, Then who are you, tho?
Professor Yana: (Barely a whisper) I. Am. The MASTER!" (Electrocutes Chantho)
What a story line, best TV series ever
Yeah, my favourite part is when Chibnaill undoes everything just to introduce a new story that he himself then does nothing with. Love it
And then, Chibnall destroyed it beyond repair
tennant will always be my favorite (he was the first doctor i ever watched--ironically it was the peter capaldi episode about pompeii lol), but all four of them are just fabulous
Something i love is that you can track this really clear progression from how each doctor chooses to cope with the time war. 9 is very emotionally raw, he wears his anger and sorrow on his sleeve for the world to see. 10 tries to justify, claiming himself the time lord victorious, always reminding himself it's what he HAD to do. 11 masks, he pretends to be fine until he just can't anymore and unleashes all that pent up pain and cruelty at some poor sod that decides to test his rules. 12 is finally the one to start coming to terms with it, still hurt, but actively trying to heal.
Wait, I know the show needs to move on from it eventually, but was the Time War seriously not mentioned once in the Chibnall era? Even when the Master drove the Timelords back into extinction? I'm asking because I can't remember personally, apart from in her first episode when Yaz asked "have you got any family?" And the doctor responded "no, lost them a long time ago."
In Fugitive of the Judoon, The Doctor talks about Gallifrey being destroyed twice, first by a war, second by a lunatic.
That's the only time I can think it gets referenced.
Normally, I might complain about this detail a bit, but that would be like arguing with one of the writers and they happened to be Mokey from Fraggle Rock and you want to be nice and courteous about it, but it's Mokey.
Chibnall and his folk ruined the lore, IMHO. I pretend it didn't happen in the main timeline.
The thing with the Time War is that each time it's referenced, it gets more "pinned down".
Chibnall wanted to "reinvent the Time Lords" because he believed it went the wrong route after he disagreed with an episode back in the "Before Tom Baker era" of Doctor Who.
So he decided to "make Doctor Who" his way, which just so happens to have tossed all the lore out the window, ignore the fan-base, & piss everyone off!
(not to mention, when Jody was casted, he even told/ordered her not to watch any of the previous episodes...just so that she stayed a "clean canvas"!)
Though since she got rather bad dialog & writing, & her outfit wasn't remotely unique... I'd say the Chibnall Era was a bust.
(don't get me wrong, there were some nice potential storylines...but the Timeless Child was shit...the bit about the old Gods...was crap. & the prehistory of the Time Lords was, again...completely against the pre-established lore!)
& to drive home... the message that the BBC basically passed along, from the Timeless Child...was that experimenting on children is what you definitely want to do & it's perfectly alright, as long as it helps to further one's sadistic-ambitions of immortality, as well as "benefit the entire race", but at the same time, keep all knowledge of what happens secret from the populace!
The Doctor isn't always a hero but he isn't always a villain. He always there to be both a force of good and bad.
The Time Wars get referenced so often but when you actually get shown what happens it all seems tiny compared to the stuff the Doctor is doing in the here and now. He walks around like a hurt puppy whenever it's referenced, but 3 minutes later he'll be wiping out entire civilizations like it's nothing. Still love the show though so I guess it really doesn't matter lmao.
We only ever see the last moments of the time war during the fall of arcadia.
The war is already lost. They mention it in the beginning of the day of the doctor. All omega weapons have been used. The abominations have been shot at wigh all the arsenal they had. It is over and the dalek fleet has reached gallifrey.
Rassilons counsel takes place a bit eralier but not much.
It is safe to assume the doctor has witnessed what he tells the master before that.
The war must have been unimaginably big. Impossible to show on screen. The laws of time broken, war tardises capable of destroying galaxies burnt by even bigger abominations. Countlesss planets destroyed in the crossfire. Omega weapons altering the fabric of the universe deployed to deal with abominations. And in there is the doctor fighting, taking lives, creating his own crossfire, causing atrocties of his own. One xplosion of a war tardis alone could wipe a star system.
And after witnessing the defeat of the time lords and seeing what they had to become he swears, no more.
He rather ends the time war and condemns them himself than to see them be slowly slaughtered. No the devastation must end.
So just before two exhausted all mighty civilizations go back to stick and stones in their eyes, he ends it.
Finally giving the universe back piece and sanity.
Eccleston's acting is so far beyond half of what follows him
Nah David and Peter are elite too ngl
47:05 - He saw the *WAR DOCTOR!!!*
Did 13 genuinely never reference it? That entire era has become such a sore point that it’s just a blur now barring the truly show-destroying moments
Why would they? They made it all such a joke anyway… Made the destruction of Gallifrey as common as online sales
It was referenced in Fugitive of the Judoon. She says: "I'm not wrong. I've seen Gallifrey destroyed. Twice. First by a war, second by a lunatic who I'm still trying to find."
Chibnall era isn’t canon.
@@alphamineron Huh?
In what way was it made a joke?
I don't see the analogy with online sales?
@@stevetayler9518 How can you not see it being made a joke? THAT’S A THE REAL QUESTION.
I think you’re genuine so I’ll elaborate, transition from OldWho and NewWho was treating The Last Great Time War as a HUGE INFLECTION point. This was to create drama for the plot and explain the drastic change in the show’s direction. Old Doctors are vastly different than the brooding, old/young, regretful, broken Timelord that the NewWho Doctor was.
The point of emphasis being, destruction of Gallifrey. It was following the rule of literature that the best way to make something mysterious is to not ruin the mystery with your writing. Time War was big, because it destroyed everything. Gallifrey was lost. Huge deal.
Then they saved Gallifrey, but it was still lost. Huge Deal. Then they found Gallifrey recovering from the ruins of war, but this was good until Hell Bent which ruined the “appeal of mystery” again. The doctor basically destabilizes the ruling government and runs off with Clara… which is lame.
Then just on a whim with Jodie, they show that a single rouge Timelord killed Gallifrey! The entire 10 season arc of crying over Gallifrey and then saving it then finding it then fighting it to save a human (clara) all for… “whoops I’m the master, I nuked everyone because I was in a bad mood” oh look CyberTimelords! And then after one episode they are gone! Oh wow, the biggest threat in all time, Timelords+CyberMen is just background noise?
This analogy should make sense, Gallifrey Arc is like a puzzle that you spent all day making then your sibling comes home and kicks all the pieces across the room for fun.
The analogy with online sales, is how frequent they are. Every company is always “on limited time sale” ALL THE YEAR.
Well done. This is a magnificent work of art. Thank you!
Season 1 is the greatest series of doctor who to ever exist
The 12th doctor punching the Tardis console is basically equivalent to him hitting a woman
56:34 says to read the description for the various reasons why the 50th special wasn't included, but all the description has is the chapter timestamps 🤔
God 9 was so amazing.
The Doctor and Aang from Avatar The Last Airbender would find common ground.
The Doctor sealed his people away for their protection from the Daleks
The Air Nomads were eradicated by the Fire Nation, leaving only Aang, Appa and Momo to carry on their legacy.
24:00 hey wait a minute I recognize that face behind the guy talking
22:08 Tenth: Hey I've been mourning their loss, Saxon, so stop getting off this call like it's some erotic ASMR!
I hope that what happened in the chibnell era like the timeless child and the master destroyed gallifrey single handed witch is dumb as hell is ignored cos some of it is confusing and contradicts some things and make the day of the Doctor episode the awesome episode of all pointless cos the three Doctor frozen gallifrey in a pocket universe and then gets destroyed by the master who shocked in series 3 episode the sound of drums to find out gallifrey was gone
This was really interesting to watch!
The sad part is...This incarnation never remembered or even took part in saving the TIme Lords...He held on to the Guilt while 10, 11, and 12 Got closer...X.X
Fantastic Video! Well done mate, it's much appreciated!
25L07 the last quieter "I can't..." breaks my heart
You know something. The Darlek's were right. The Doctor is a good Darlek. He preeches peace, but he prepares for war. He's a broken, old man who has lived for far too long. He wants peace, but he would destroy all of time and space for tjose he care for.
When is it first mention that the doctor erased the time lords ? There's like no mention of it ? All that dialogue just implies that the doctor fought during the war and destroyed the Daleks, but not that he killed the timelords. Despite the fact we all remember this, and the day of the doctor is around this event...
There's a bit at 12:00 from the Satan pit where the voice mentions that the doctor was the killer of his own kind. But not sure if there's a more definitive mention elsewhere 👍👊
It's first implied in Dalek. He says "I made it happen" in reference to the destruction of the daleks and says the Timelords died with them. I think the first direct reference is in the Satan Pit when the beast calls the Doctor "the killer of his own kind."
At the beginning he says they all burned but later on its suddenly that he locked them all away in a time loop or something.
There was another mention in Series 12 when 13 meets timelords of the past in the judoon episode and she mentions how she first saw the planet destroyed by war.
The last days of the time war sound like actual hell
Nice job
things we're more interesting when the doctor and the master was the last, they are back to being that now but they barely have acknowledge it
SO LONg!! Also, thanks!
I cried. Several times.
The Doctor had thought that he had destroy Galifrey. In a way, he was right. Yet the series had provide some clues about Galifrey was not destroyed. Until the Day of the Doctor, Galifrey was destroyed as well as becoming the base of many legends and myths. Than the Docotr had learn how he save Galifrey. After the Eighth Doctor Became the Ninth Doctor. he decided to forget what he had done. Simply to help the Ninth Doctor as well as the future Doctors. After the 12th Doctor visit Galifrey, the Galifreyians decided to hide Galifrey somewhere in the vast Universe as well as Time itself. While the 13th Doctor had visited her home and discover what happen to it, she was not aware of what she had seen was one version of what happen to Galifrey.
Somehow the series need to fill in one major plot hole so the Doctor can move on. The major plot hole which needs to be fill in is what happen to the Doctor's family. It is likely that most of the Doctor's family is still alive. These survivors do believe that the Doctor is not ready to learn the truth. Due to the lost of one of his sons during the last days of the Great Time War, the Doctor had become depressed. Until the Day of the Doctor, the Doctor began to think that he had lost almost of his entire family. Oddly, most of the Doctor's family are still alive. They have started a colony to preserve Galifreyian Civilization. Just in case Galifrey was destroy as a result of the war.
None of this makes sense when you think about how it was fought across all time and either always had happened or never happened
I would have counted him describing the home box in the museum of headless monks it Matt Smith’s first two-parter.
Truly awesome! Why leave out one of the 50th anniversary specials? Just curious.
Probably because it would have been the whole thing
In defense of Whittaker era, the Time War story arc pretty much reached its culmination by Capaldi. There's no reason to continuously bring it up through the series from thereon.
‘Whittaker era’ ppl blame Jodie, but she had NOTHING to do with the creative direction, i dont understand why ppl name her as the show going wrong, its Chibnall’s fault, blame Chibnall. That fucking hack hides behind the namesake playing the doctor even when he gave her shit scripts
The worst Doctor Who writer in history doesn’t deserve a defence.
23:47 😂 lol the doctor face after he said that is priceless
Look me up under "cause of death"
Classic.
"Fear Me, I killed all of them." - Dr. Who.
Now that is scary.
They really should have left the war as cannon.
The 50th could have been a story of how future doctors helped and supported the war doctor press the red button. Giving him help.when he was helpless
I class it still as cannon in my eyes that's what's the The 50th Anoversty is about
You are playing with a galaxy I'm with a Universal time.
Watching this after hearing old man doctor calls david tennants doctor the one that regrets and matt smiths doctor the one that forgets....i totally get it
5:24 TheValeyard
Love going through random doctor who clips and then suddenly BOWL CUT ANDREW GARFIELD FROM OUT OF NOWHERE
Is there another description I should be reading? I see nothing relevant in the one referenced at 56:33.
As seen in the 60s anniversary shows we know that the doctor has gotten things wrong before and the fact is that he wouldn't even admit to his daughter that she was his daughter first of all and she was a time lord or technically a descendant of a time lord and therefore I like the song says teach teach your children well... He wasn't even willing to acknowledge his own daughter because to do so would be to acknowledge the fact that as a time lord and as the last of his race he has a responsibility to the future of his race but as we see he doesn't even his trauma and his PTSD doesn't allow him to see beyond the nose in front of his face it takes somebody like Donna to actually make him see that Jenny is his daughter and she's the one who names her so in many ways she's Jenny's aunt and in someways her foster mum, she's the one who makes Jenny c she's the one who teaches Jenny and that's the point she is trying to make the doctor understand that Jenny is his child even if she can't deal with the fact that in a way even if his world is no longer in existence as his child she is also a Time Lord as will any children she has and he had better buck up and be the parent who will make her a better future for the time Lords who may come after her for she may be the progenerator of a new Race of Time Lords and if that's the case she needs to be taught the right way unlike the way he and the master where taught.
it'll always be fascinating
38:05 You're probably looking for this one.
0:03 that sounded like the 456 from torchwood
The one in Nightmare in Silver wasn’t about the Time War, but the war against the Cybermen.
I’m still trying to figure out how daleks somehow managed to beat Rassilon of all the characters. Rassilon the person who has universal destroying weapons and created time travel, and the Tardis.
Now David's back I don't want him to go. Sounds silly I know. I'm looking forward to ncuti. But having David and Catherine has made it great again for me.
You missed the convo between the dalek and the doctor when the doctor told the dalek to kill its self
Ok so my hopeful theory is that Jodie's and Dhawan's stories are alternate universes created by the Toymaker (he is his own God who create universes). Anyway, i refuse Dhawan as part of the Master legacy.......
Well ya was wrong pal
You said to check the description for why Day of the doctor isn’t included, but you didn’t say why in the description
The lonely God...
No mention of the Time War in Whitaker's era just says it all.
Time War was way cooler without us seeing it tbh.
They promised us unspeakable horrors like Nightmare Child, Hordes of Travesties, Army of Meanwhiles and Never-weres led by Could've been King.
A war so horrible, that Time Lords became just as monstrous as Daleks.
A literal hell that burned all creations.
Instead they gave us Daleks shooting lasers at people in red robes.
@@rlacksgh9673 To be honest, whatever they did was always going to feel underwhelming. Sometimes the mystery of something is greater than actually seeing it. Plenty of horror movies that don't even show the creature are more effective than those that show some underwhelming CGI monstrosity. We just didn't need to see it really. If they wanna do audio stories for it that's fine, but I think we didn't need to see it on the big screen tbh.
56:35 it says to read the description, but there is nothing there to read. Was it removed? Could they not show the "The Day of the Doctor" for copyright issues or anything like that?
Are there really no references to the Time War during Jodie's run? Not even once? How was something like that overlooked, when it is such an integral part of the Doctor's character in NuWho?
If that's really the case, the writers (as per usual) really did Jodie dirty.
My guess is Chin-ball preferred classic who entirely. I don’t believe he’s ever acknowledged anything bar Captain Jack in his 2 series
@@Hexeradoff the top of my head, there were references to Boom Town, Journey’s End, The Unicorn and the Wasp, Stormcage, 11’s fez, Osgood, and a subtle reference to Bill being converted to a Cyberman. There’s also the presence of Sycorax, Ood, Judoon, Weeping Angels, and Silence.
@@Mowingthefrontlawn They are valid facts right there, thank you for the insight
I've only seen series 12 and flux but in fugitive of the judoon, 13 does mention gallifrey being destroyed once by a war. In the timeless children, the war doctor and a few scenes with him were also shown, when 13 breaks out of the matrix. And there are occasional references throughout her run about losing her family which could maybe relate to the war?
“Have Pity” 10/10
“Fear me i have killed 100’s of Time Lords.”
“Fear me….i killed of them” 😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨