Late To The Party - German MiG-21bis-SAU
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Fuel: Full tank
Ammo: Air Targets
Load out: 4x R-60 Missiles/2x R13M-1 + Flares
Convergence: 600 meters
Vertical Targeting: No
Crew: maxed (lvl 75) + expert
Outro: A.N.O. - Vanish
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Its honestly been really interesting to see how the meta at top tier has shifted so quickly. It was F4E/Bis for the longest time, then F5E, then Viggen/JA37C/EJ Kai, and now its MLD/Viggen/JA37/Kai. I wonder how fast it will change in the upcoming updates though 🤔
Phantom/F5E are still very much meta, MLD and Viggen are just additions.
You forgot EJ Kai
@@H-cranky Edited so it fits, thanks mate!
The F-4E was meta for a really long time, huh? It was meta from when it was added to when the MiG-21bis was introduced, then it became meta again from the FM changes (became faster than MiG-21bis on the deck) to the update adding the Skyflash/AIM-7E-2, and even now it's still a good aircraft overall. It's impressive how long it's been good for.
@@_ace_defective_ not even mentioning the FGR's excellent acceleration, it's very much a capable plane if enemies are kept at a reasonable distance!
Just love that the USA and USSR fight on the same team, that's not cursed at all!
In an alternate universe, sweden and the Uk adopted the fascim ideology, increasing the imperialistic behaviors, the USRR and USA couldn't let them be dominant.
@@ccv1929 Mosley won in this alternate universe? Glad we're not in it!
@@ccv1929 *Flipping through my HOI4 mod list
Which world line are we on again?
Funny thing is if the USSR and Germany were on the same side against the Nato countries it would be pretty damn balanced lmfao
@@Generic_Name_1-1 They need a split matchmaker so the DDR and PRC get matched with the USSR, and the BRD and ROC would be matched with NATO.
if i join a game and hear “and welcome back” i’m just gonna leave
no just give Defyn a good dogfight, he's always gonna say GG
This really showcases just how air rb isnt really working for top tier anymore. We need an additional game mode or major changes to air rb. 4 minutes of total match time is ridiculously laughable. This game mode isn't meant for these planes and these mechanics. Maybe Air RB EC or something.
we need a gamemode of longer duration with slightly higher rewards
Not only that but stock grind is torture, one of the worst experiences in any game I’ve had.
next, german will get su 22, whereas the russian will get mig 29 and america will get f 14
this is basically how gaijin treat german jet tech tree
@Sleepy they will add it, but the problem is "when they add it"
i hope they won't make it too late like the F4 F and the bis
@Sleepy Again one year too late I suspect. German top tier air is so aweful right now. There is nothin you'd wanna touch right now and it has been for the last... 6 month I believe.
damn you wasnt wrong
@@banaanpropaan9344 lmao, after 7 months, my guess come true
except no mig29 and mig17 for germany
@@rxzxqx6982 You were right again Germany has the lim5p so you were right about the mig17. And everyone now knows that the mig29 will soon come because of leaks and the anniversary decal. So you have foretold the prophecy 🙏
The first 5 minutes of this video is like the entire year's worth of DEFYN getting shafted. It really is a shame that all the old top tier planes are now so powercrept even you cant get that much good footage, and this is just after i unlock the mirage 3c with no flares at al.....
I use mirage3c and i still do fine in it
@@Bobspineable Thats true, i just wish i'd gotten to the mirage sooner but i grinded through the whole tree with no prems or talismans so that probably slowed me down a bit
This plane was added late m8. No way im gonna unlock this thing soon and im not looking for it.
I love the term "water pistol" you gave to the 23mm but then demonstrate how it hit's like a truck several times in the same video. Like calling a big guy "smalls" haha
It has the ballistics properties of a water pistol the damage is fine
@@DEFYN So the Vulcan is the super soaker?
@@DEFYN so water pistol shooting HCL acid xD
has the ballistics of a water pistol and sparks A LOT, but when it doesnt sparks it hits hard.
expected from a 23mm with 3000rpm
look at it like the MK-108s in the Me 262s, even when they hit like a truck they are certainly the worst guns between jets because the ballistics just sucks too much
This game feels like a regular WOT Tier 10 match right about now.
ok
I was your teammate that got shot down when you came to help! Sorry I could not survive longer, I had been dogfighting 2-3 planes and had lost all my energy by that point. Thanks for the video!
I applaud you for sharing tough low-kill games aswell.
Not gonna lie this video while it's a good insight on issues in WT top tier, it's a relief to see that even a top player like you goes through games where your team disintegrates and the only option is to run. It is reassuring.
can't wait for the german mig 23 vs f-14
German MiG 29 vs F-22 Raptor
@@grass123 more like German mig29 vs Russian su35 or 57
These comments aged well. Only difference is it’s the German F-4F vs F-15Cs, Su-27SMs, JAS-39s, and block 50 Vipers. Equally retarded but different names.
It's too little to late, but Germany seriously needed the love so it's entirely welcome
At top tier air, you mean? Because they’re still doing pretty darn well everywhere else…
Fair enough... but that's top tier for pretty much everyone but Russia nowadays. Leo 2A6 and 2A5 are still capable machines that fit the current meta, and they have an excellent top tier SPAA in the form of the FlaRakRad bus thingy.
i may be late to this party but i finally decided to finish off the german tech tree and i gotta say this thing is hella fun and still decent rn
Love the outro! XD
I bet the germans will get the 23ML when the mig 29 and f16 are already in the game, that's how late gaijin has been with top tier germany.
Germany didn’t even use the MLD, they’ll get their 23MF when Russia gets a flanker)))
Mig ML*, the flogger G, My bad
@@xivkya6882 They used MLA as well.
@@spaa2927 yes
Next gdr will be mig23 and west germany f4f ICE with iris t
6:51 "Yes I pressed the help button there I wish I actually got some." Me always when my team rushes straight in and dies before I can even get in a 4 km range of an enemy.
Problem is the not plane like you said, its the soviet mains.
When Mig21Smt first introduced alongside with Mf most of them frustrated because of Germany was getting a good top tier plane not to mention they actually lost their mind when Mig21bis introduced cause they were afraid that Germany will also get it in the same patch.
So im pretty sure if Gaijin announces Mig29 for both country at the same time they will loose their mind once again.
Germany will probably have to wait a year for the MiG-23ML and will get the MiG-29A one year afzer the russians get the MiG-29S
@@Serkay64 Good point and i can already see comments that are coming from other nation players such as:German tech tree doesnt need anything.
@@spaa2927 I mean I get that Germany is getting things late and that's not great, but at the same time I also understand why. If Germany were to just receive the top of Russia, or US basically, then what's the point of grinding those nations, just grind Germany then, saves you time.
It will be like this for a while until Gaijin can finally get a damn contract going with Panavia for the Tornado so Germany can finally break free from being annoying to US/Russia. But ye, Germany could at least get one up to date plane, be it a US plane or Russian one, seeing how for instance Japan just got a better F-4E too now.
It's just not a good time for Germany, but after a year or so, it will all be forgotten and those who are new to Germany will not feel the same pain, that's how it is.
@@Wotplaya4 Bro every german plane recieved from Russia or Us is already downgraded versions of those planes (except bis).
So those other nations can actually keep their better performing vehicles for themselves while germany can at least get something to compete until F4F-İCE and Eurofighter Typhoon comes.
Also Tornado is used for ground missions in lutwaffe so it will be pretty Much useless at air rb as well.
@@spaa2927 Ye well I get that it's downgraded but not if it were added at the same time as the US/Russian variants, which was the point wasn't it, correct me if I'm wrong. That Germany got things much later.
For instance, if the F-4F was added with the F-4E, they both would've been identical, the F-4E didn't always have radar missiles. The AIM-7Es weren't all too amazing either when they got added.
However right now I don't really care too much anymore, I think Germany should've just gotten the F-4F ICE maybe last update, which I did hint in my comment. With it being treated as the F-4EJ Kaj, with downgraded missiles. Germany would then be pretty future-proofed with that. Idk why Gaijin didn't do it, but did on the other hand for Japan.
I mean it's just an F-4F with better radar then, nothing too gamebreaking. Same stuff as the F-4EJ kai. Although I don't know if the ICE was capable of using sparrows, because that would be a shame if it couldn't, for balance reasons.
Looks like that afterburner trick works for other jets as well, just tested it with the J-7E and F-5E
It's not so much a first stage afterburner as it is an afterburner increment, if that makes any sense. Like instead of being just 0% or 100% afterburner, if you use the scroll wheel you can go to different levels of afterburner.
It even works on aircraft that shouldn't have anything but an afterburner toggle (F-104A for example).
I think it's time for the maximum BR to be raised a bit...
6:49 i love your dry humor
Strange request again but DEFYN, can you do an energy guide using the f8f-1. I think this one works well because it has poor guns. It forces you to fly better than your opponent. It has average turn and good speed. Sits at a high enough BR to get educated pilots but low enough to not get jets.
Thanks, and if you can’t that’s completely fine. I know you’re busy and have lots of work.
You should just adopt penguinz0’s glorious “anyway that’s about it, cya” outro
DEFYN, what would you think about:
- Smaller teams (max 8v8)
- Bigger maps (afghan, spain, korea)
For top tier (say 10.0+)?
how about, EC no enemy markers. make it like sim but with RB mechanics, that would be amazing.
@@Wienerslinky Doesnt solve the snowball problem, I would'nt mind a mode like that, but I'd prefer to see the coinflip way of playing toptier to be gone.
@@turbov7611 it would certainly solve the snowball problem if the maps are big enough and we make objetives that actually worth your time for the team and for yourself ( rewards )
@@grass123 by that means we should stick together in groups like Il2 or DCS
@@Wienerslinky no enemy markers will make players delete the game people are complaining about the spotting system lol watch 50% of the player base leave if u remove spotting markers
question why does it get flare pods instead of the flare pods installed into the aircraft like the russia bis
Apparently the germans only had the SPS-141-100 pod on their MiG-21bis. The russians used the ASO-2 dispenser in Afghanistan which is why the russian bis gets the ASO-2 dispenser
@@Serkay64 thank u for the education sar
@@Serkay64 the funny thing is the German bis can still extend its airbrake even with the ecm pod installed, and the airbrake just phases through the pod.
@@tegjwokjohn1839 PFM moment Lol. It had that same visual bug for months and only got fixed in IXWA Strike, iirc.
@@kommandantkillcode meh I'm not complaining. I do like myself a functional airbrake :)
i can hear the suffering in your voice war thunder i hate this game but like a gambler i keep coming back
Anyone else noticing the RWR on the F-5 isn't working anymore?
Hi @DEFYN, great video man! Been enjoying your videos and trying to learn from them. I'm still a pretty novice player but trying to get better. I was wondering, is it possible for you to revisit some of the older planes in the game that people rarely play? For example, F7F-1. I seldom see people play it or perform well in it, couldnt find good commentary video as well. The last showcase video you had was 3 years ago, is it possible for you to do a commentary video on it? Thanks!
i think they have to increase the max teir to something like 11.7 or 12.0
While I love your no bullshit commentary and honest opinion, I do feel it's a little jaded. Top Tier gameplay is literally missile trucking. Very rarely do the manoeuvre kills of old take place anymore. the BIS SAU is the same as the rest of the top tiers.
Defyn what is your opinion on the 40% nerf on AI ground targets?
no one asked for my opinion but im gonna say that its shit, now grinding stock is even more of a pain, total bs from goobjin
@@halolime117 bruh exactly. That was my only way of stock grinding and they had to nerf that too 😒
Gaijin killing the glind.
Is the amount of xp you get for killing them nerfed?
@@halolime117 that was probably the point
I find that I don't need the chaff too much, as notching is better for breaking PD locks, and chances are I'm not getting caught slow at altitude. Positioning is everything, too.
I have seen this in the American F4E as well, although due to having proper radar missiles and all it is somewhat bearable but it has become way worse for everyone that is not on the same team as Russia, quite sad
I'm glad though, the F-4E dominated the meta for way too long, it became quite boring
@@therealmp40 the F-4E was the best plane in the game for what, 1 year?
@@grass123 Yeah, as far as I know it's the longest spanning dominance out of all jets in the game, even the T-2 lasted for like 8 months iirc.
Ahahah I was on that Su 17 making ground pound on that minute 1:47 xD
3 videos in less than a week woah
Feelspatchman
They should make matchmaking high tier smaller, like 2v2s 4v4s or 6v6 s, also they should make different gamemodes
I like this idea
Like when ur enemy have 4 BVR Missile and u have nothin?
If only gaijin was competent enough to let GDR jets play with Russia , already got many many matches with the Bis-Sau and a Winrate bout 15% so my conclusion is that the MIG-23 is fucking OP
Yeah playing against the Russian bias is so annoying …They always get the most op shit … I wish they would start to implement the stuff only 3 times as good as they were in real life ez win for all other nations then
Man, I was really hoping it would have the same flare pods as the Russian 21Bis, lack of an airbrake sucks sometimes.
Defyn can u make a buying guide for the current anniversarie event?
Can you do a video on the new premium jet Mig-21 SPS K? The radar missle loadout is the number one thing Im seeing spammed in air rb.
Man you want to talk about suffering, I just got the r-60s for this plane. But the grind, boy, was absolutely miserable. Nothing but mig 23s and sparrows while I tried to make gun kills lol.
is still the best fighter germany gets at top tier cause lets be real the f4f cant do anythig to the mig 23 or the PD stuff
you get a loadout that was good 1 year ago now having no radar AAM and only 4 x aim9j is a joke while most stuff you face has atleast 6 IR AAM
Doesnt have all aspect or radar missiles, it doesn't have a CCRP so it's ass at ground pounding, and it's now slower than the mig 23MLD
13:00 I’m watching this exactly five months from the release of this video, weird.
Top tier planes is a cluster fuck and practically how arcade is at all tiers change my mind
lit
Got a kill with the water pistol last night and boy it felt good🙋 Spayed down an a4 trying to rtb 🤣
It is insane that Gaijin values the Bis, the Su-17, 23M, 27M and the MLD the same. For NATO it is insane that the F-4F and the F-4EJ Kai are at the same BR... the Su-17 meanwhile is the only plane without flares at 11.0... FAIR
tryed Air RB yesterday got stomped for 3h stright in my F4F aint gonna touch that shit show for the next few months
It’s not about the arrow, it’s all about the Indian. I fly the OG MiG MF and get first place all the time, but that’s not impressive in jet games. I’m a WW2 guy. Awesome video as always
Of course, we needed more top tier migs in game.
regret not just cutting my losses and playing america, 200k from the mig29 but holy shit germany is just so outclassed when everyone flies the same 5 american premiums every single match
I wonder when gaijin will add stages to the afterburners. Or, rather, indicate what stage you are on.
There are many milti-stage planes in-game.
Even better, where's a WEP timer?
Well you kinda can already regulate the afterburner, it just won't show you at what percentage you are. Afterburner ranges from 101-110%, you just can't see it. Pretty bad design on Gaijins part here, would prefer a red throttle number, like on some planes rather than "WEP".
If you do want to see it, you will need an external tool called WTRTI, which allows you to see (if you enable it) your true throttle percentage, and with that you can also see your thrust differences (it can be quite a lot).
@@Xiphactinus Oh yeah, and using the same tool, WTRTI, you can also enalbe a WEP timer, showing you how long you have left on WEP.
@@Wotplaya4 I think you missed the point, utterly and completely.
I already know you can, I was saying that gaijin should add an indication.
@@theneef174 Ye I did, didn't read the second sentence, skimmed through the comments. But ye I really wish Gaijin would just make it visible, the 101-110% range, highlighted in red, I think that would be a good solution.
I keep saying: Add a Classic Match ups mode.
Sabres vs MiG 15/15Bis
MiG 21 vs Phantom
MiG 21 vs. mirage
Bf109 vs. Spitfire
Fw190 vs. p51
And there are probably more. But, this would not only alleviate some of the spam you'll see from planes that are really stupid to fly against, it also sort of circumvents the BR a little bit and brings back the sort of matches we want to see.
Yknow, good ones?
maybe mixed battles can return to balance out the team setups
Warthunder matchmaking is a literal nightmare, doesn't matter what you do you get looked down and shot down in an unspaded jet without flares, without missiles, without radar, nothing. But that's just my everyday experience trying to grind a jet that just starts to have a starter missile 🙂
Facing most of the time 12.0 Jets in this Plane is just pure Hell atm. Constantly in a pretty big disatvantage. Getting sniped from over 50km away is just so funny in a 11.0 Plane. I wish Gajin would work on the balancing for the late tech tree so you dont constantly face 12.0 Jets which are far better in everything.
This is why we need air rb EC, we would be able to do more all they have to do is make bigger maps and add drop tanks
This match is pretty much me in my MIG-17, too slow , faces 18g missiles, got no chaff or RWR, … like seriously F-104s , T-2s , lightings , F-4Cs, A-5Cs shouldn’t be seen in 9.3 battles 😭😭
Same goes with SU7 Yak-38
unfortunately, it's the same thing on the other side. They should never see 11.3
Can you check the G.55 serie 1? It is 5.0 now and I think it is not worth playing anymore. I would like to know your thought about it.
Im flying F8u2 and I feel the pain. I might try F4E but I have more success and fun in F8. With spoting system now and weird rwr I cant get high in F4 and so the sparrows are not working.
The fact that they put germany with Russia to balance USA before and now they are putting germany with USA to balance Russia. The same happens in ground rb. Like wtf.
Honestly it looks like it has potential. But it cant convert that potential.
Honestly how would anyone else feel about much bigger maps? Like 200x200km maps which require a bit of strategy from the team side? What about Squadron Tournaments, where tactics would matter on these larger maps?
Need more fuel, and as such the weights will need to be adjusted otherwise every plane will become barely flyable.
DEFYN pls make a video on the cannon p51
Guys, is airfield aaa nerfed/moved out of the game? I had a one month break from game and when i came back i played 9 games all without enemy airfield aaa. so i dont know if i am immune somehow or its a bug XD
Well, at least the camo is nice :D
can you play the mig 17as?
Can you do a video on the A7D?
Yeah increased flare power does not do good to the Mirages which only have 3 missiles... And the IIIC doesn't have flares to go with it either
I hate doing the outro so CYA! lmao
I like it more then the mig 23 rn
Interesting how the Fishbed has really stepped into the role it was forced to occupy in real life, in game now... an interceptor. "Snakes in the grass" they called them in Vietnam, because their only viable tactic was to rush in, ambush the unaware bombers or fighter-bombers, and get the hell out of dodge because they were just too unwieldy to be used in combat with other fighters. Now, it just has the standard War Thunder interceptor problem - reminds me of the Lightning when it was first added
I expect before long we'll see the MiG-21bis either A: receive R-60M's (preferable), or B: go down in br... because you know that's Gaijin's solution for everything these days - compress harder
Your wish has been granted
The new dev server features R-60MKs for the Soviet and East German MiG-21 Bis
Can you try la 200? I think is good plane for br 7.7 if get low tier:v
hi all.. im back after a year break :P and doing SQB again. i need new top tier jets.. is the Buffed MLB or the Mig23M better then this atm ??? because my SQ still has this at the meta list.
Hi, late reply and maybe not from the person youre expecting... But I'd say the Mig21bisSAU can dogfight a Mig23M if youre skilled but there has to be quite skill gap when fighting an MLD. In terms of META, this thing sucks. It isnt in any of the major META teams it just cant 1vX Mig23s or Viggens. It itself is a good plane, but with the teams and planes it faces, it is at a severe disadvantage. Most of my higher end jets got a win% of 51-55 (I'm average) but this thing has 40% and i can barely get a KD of 1:1. This is just my opinion tho and others might have different experiences. TLDR: you can def do good in this thing. but it is outside of your control when you do it.
@@yuyiko thx alot man, makes alot of sense, could not think this would be better vs a MLD. so dno why they still have it as META. but thx for the help man
@@boomcat1337 small update. this thing is competetive now. the r60mk it got are really good and the BR increase hardly matters. take 6 r60mk, go for headons and youre golden. ive made like over 300k in 2-3 hours with it just now.
"Your average team dying in 3 minutes"
Sounds like me flying american props lol
Ok i pull up
Playing war thunder to take the pain away
Same
and the redtail p51 if you can
finally as a pure russia main i am winning 50+% of my games. Didnt expect it to be 9 out of 10 games won tho. With mld i can see why russians have higher winrate, its a great plane and i love it even tho its still not spaded for me. I cant understand why mig23m spam had super high winrate too. Feel like viggens/ej kai are better than 23m. And in terms of 10:35 r60s can hit 0,5km quite efficiently, at least from my experience
2:37 it's official, im as good as defyn
Make sure to ask for your message to get pinned in the Discord server!
Hah
@@DEFYN i pray to the snail 15 times a day please have mercy
@@DEFYN serious question though, am I permanently pinned
what are your thoughts on the hunter f6 existance in the current meta
Poor thing
x3
Can you revisit this thing since this one doesnt have R60M
it changes basically nothing in terms of playstyle so i won't
I unlocked it in 2 sim games with the MF, I like it but it’s not good anymore for 11.0, the Bis is better in Sim and duels, now I play the viggen bc I got skilled in it in rb and sb
These f-4 and mig-23 have auto flares?
Wait is it a bug that the mig has a flare pod? The normal bis does not have it
German engineering.
Cause german version didnt recieved same countermeasure modification you can find on soviet Bis irl even tho both aircrafts are the same.
Can someone update me please? Why is the US and the USSR fighting on the same side against Germany?
a while back Gaijin pulled a "f* it" and decided to make all matches from 8.0 and up work under another matchup system than it was
@@harveyknguyen bruh moment
Well, considering the fact that the mig 27 was made in 1978 and the f14's first flight was in 1974 and it entered combat in 1978 I think they should put the f14 into the game to make everything even between russian and american top teir jets (even though this has nothing to do with this)
That's a horrible idea, USA would just dominate the skies again, hell a MiG 23 fighting an F-14 is so unfair.
@@ju87d-3stuka7 thats not true lol
These are the reasons why I switched from exclusively playing air RB to only playing ground forces RB and switch my air game to exclusively SB EC. Figure I don’t have to put up with this bullshit compression and constant adding on more and more extremely powerful aircraft without doing anything mechanics while to actually fix any of the underlying issues.
defyn do you know that mig 21bis Sau got R-60mk ?
MiG21 SAU... MiG21 sow xdddd
My favourite matchup. Mig21 against Mig21/Mig23/Mig27 lol, realistic
Are you advocating for Germany splitting again?
there is a hungarian flag under the cockpit's window!!!
How do you fix hunter f6 constantly gets uptiered can barely do anything but if it drops below 10.3-.0 it’s op
Nothing, that’s 9.0 for ya.
@@matthewryan9238 f6 is 10.3 not the f1
@@PUR3xNinjaz well it’s 10.3, it’s going to fight 11 24/7. Don’t expect anything less.
@@matthewryan9238 yea i know but no way a non supersonic without countermeasures should be there period
@@PUR3xNinjaz I agree with you, but the way things are you screwed. I suggest finding a different jet to play or suffer.
Also what nationality is DEFYN
Question is, Do I talisman the MF or the bis-sau?
Mf is better for BR but the mf is kinda ehhh
With the bigger maps now the bis will be even less competitive though
But kinda blow to play tbh :/
But if i really had to pick then MF
@@DEFYN I see. Thanks! Would you still say the two MiGs are the best planes in German rank VII?
How turn on fuel economy on afterburner again?
Drop throttle to 100%, then go to 102% WEP. It's a bit finicky on keys but a super quick tap will usually net you the same result as using the scroll wheel.
@@a_stone tnx
Do you think R-60M's would improve the 21Bis appreciably?
It’s b.s that the Russia bis costs 19k, while this one costs 7. That’s what really pisses me off. Considering that has R-60Ms.
I have the MLD, but I couldn’t care less, I want to play the Russian BIS, and I can’t unless I want to go bankrupt. .
r60mk boys
Dont they still kinda suck tho
@@lAmLordeYaYa no lol