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I want to say how wonderful this video was. Straightforward, not brand snobby or biased and your words at the end were very inspiring and so true. I am a violinist of over 20 years and have said many times to people who stalled on starting music because an instrument was not top quality that they could afford. “Learn the music, then sweeten the sound later with a better instrument when you can” “if you can make a cheap instrument sound beautiful you have earned an expensive one. Listen to Jonathan Humphries.
As someone starting out as an adult that sounds like really good advice..... if you can afford a reasonable instrument starting out is that ok though?
I needed to read this. I played violin as a kid and brass instruments in high school. At almost 40, I've been battling on whether to get one of these or save up for a nicer one.
But you're absolutely right. Thank you. 🤍
really glad i saw this comment. ive been hesitant to buy a cello that's less than $1k because that's what people say you need; i really cant afford that right now, but i desperately want to learn. ill upgrade eventually. thanks for the inspo :)
PREACH, BROTHER!!!!!!!!! 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
That tiny bow-
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I've always found a calling to music, and the cello is one of the instruments that has called out to me the loudest. I've always wanted to learn, and very recently began researching possible beginner instruments I could afford. However, after several websites told me no good cello can be purchased for under 1k and that I'd be purchasing nothing but garbage, I felt my heart break. This video lifted my spirits a little bit and gave me some hope that, maybe, this instrument could be within reach. I don't mind the idea of a little work, a new bow, or new strings, because I've heard how those can make a difference. Thank you for posting such a warm, open review.
Your story is exactly why I share videos like this. And I lost count on the literal 100s of people whom have shared stories like yours - tales of losing inhibitions and tuning-out the snobs - and today play cello. Most of us start from nothing, unlike so many other privileged players who expect nothing less than a 50K hand-made Cremonese cello or 6 figure antique. Pox on them! Go, sailorxyz, and get that cello! If you keep along your journey - undeterred - your ear will evolve, and you will eventually upgrade. Yet, one this is certain, you will not regret it.
@@CelloCoach A skilled player can make sound a 200 cello or violin like a 50000 or event a million dollars instrument, it's all about motivation, the time put in it and a functional instrument 😊
Bless you, my feelings exactly!! Good luck with your musical journey =)
Did you get one and learn it yet?
I just had a prissy lady at the cello store tell me I would have to pay at least 800 for a decent cello
I’m a high school student and I played the cello for 5 years. Right when I got into high school though, I had a terrible teacher who was very rude and I could not afford outside lessons. I also have a lot of joint problems in my hands/fingers and elbows- so I couldn’t keep up with the strict rules of practice and playing everyday for hours on end due to pain. The cello has always been the one thing that took away stress while I was playing and offered me an escape from the world. I want to buy one of my own so bad but, I’m a teen and I can’t afford to spend thousands of dollars on one, and neither can my parents. I’ve been so worried that if I buy a cheap cello online then it will be unplayable, but I’m very willing to spend a bit extra on new strings and a bow. I know this won’t be an amazing cello, but I just want something I can use for myself. This video was so helpful, thank you so much. :)
I feel you I have the same exact issue. Just keep pushing forward and maybe you can get through it.
for me, I just made a friend out of my teacher and thank god I did.
Did you buy it?
so what happened?
I just started cello at 45, don't give up!!!!
Dang if only u knew that you could rent one for $50 a month
Regardless of how garden my cello could be, I love it, and care for it like a jewel piece.
yay!
I got mine, tatty as it is, from Craigslist for a buck fifty. The worst cello in the world. But... it's a cello. And I love it dearly for what it is.
I don’t play cello but I have to say...you’re an inspiration! I’ve enjoyed your presentations immensely and look forward to more.Thanks for being here!
Happy to inspire you, George!
You are very wise and humble. The classical music world needs more people like you. I will try to do my best myself.
great video. wouldn't it be nice if we could put an instrument into the hands of every child? see a drop in crime, lower drop out rate, less violent world, more productive society.
If you have children let them try every instrument I did with mine great comment
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@POWERHOUSE I would personally just let my children play sports and play instruments. My family isn't very religious so honestly I wouldn't push this onto them.
The idiots would start stealing cellos.
@POWERHOUSE what if I don’t believe in Jesus?
Thank you for this review. I started cello last August in my 60s, for the first time. I ended up purchasing a cello actually two cellos both over 1K USD due to lack of knowledge. The second one is a 7/8 which is better suited for my joints (arthritis). As I was viewing your video I could see where the black cello could have worked for me with changes noted. At yesterday’s lesson teacher said one of her student’s mother who is a children’s orthopedic suggested I not play cello as it would make arthritis worse. Not getting rid of me so fast 😊. I’ve progressed quite nicely with no damage...I see the Rheumatologist every 3 months.
You can play cello without pain, just we have to be creative in our approach. Hope your teacher helps you, Artist Carter.
Look up dr paul lam arthritis from youtube. It is a nice set of exercise before paying an instrument.
I will definitely check out the video. Thank you both for responding.
Thank you Jonathan, such a balanced approach to starting out with a cello. Like many here I didn’t know if in my late 30’s the urge to play would stick and if I had any aptitude for it.
I bought a very basic Stentor from the British Heart Foundation charity shop for £52 popped some decent strings on and bought a £100 bow and off we went. It’s not a beautiful instrument and I still can’t play well but I’m enjoying the journey and dreaming of a new higher quality partner in music.
The lack of snobbery is so refreshing and helps us all not to ever be ashamed of the instrument in our hands.
Few professional musicians have any luthier knowledge. I appreciate your factual, unbiased review. You are an extremely well versed man. What gives that cello value, is not the wood nor the strings, but your hands alone. Your students are fortunate to have you! Now, by the time she is 3rd chair with the Buffalo Phil Harmonic, that cello will be a fond memory. That said, the tone is quite impressive
Jonathan, I discover you today when I clicked on a link on one of my FB group page. Already I'm a fan. You are refreshingly amazing. Thank you for caring enough to make such supportive videos especially for us older folks! Blessings and shalom!
You are welcome, Constance. Age is just a number and hereabouts, you're a young padawon learning the power of cello force ;-) BTW, which FB group?
Jonathan Humphries thank you Jonathan...the group is Mid-Life Cellists 😊
Yessss I loved the last part. That's how I started as well. I bought my first cello for $300 from Amazon. I could afford more that. Thanks for making music accesible. Greetings from Puerto Rico.
Hello Javier, and you are very welcome. We all have to start somewhere, and learn as our journey continues. Glad you are enjoying cello. Have you upgraded?
Yes, I'm renting a student cello. I'm thinking to upgrade the cello though. But for that I'd like to learn a bit more.
I am recording another cello review, on a rented shop/student instrument, tomorrow!
Javier G Lopez Tavarez where did you get that baby bow
From my luthier. It's called a Twinkle Bow.
Thank you for this video. I am 50 and I purchased this cello in a reddish color about 3 months ago.The first thing I did was change the strings! I am now going to change the bow. For a long time I thought I was too old to learn how to play. I finally decided to do it. I started playing violin 3 years ago and cello 3 months ago. I love playing both. I take lessons with an instructor and I make it challenging as I play both instruments left handed. I love watching your videos. They are very helpful to us newbies.
Many thanks, Bernadette. If you have any questions or suggestions, please leave a comment.
Thank you for making that point! Some of us are "retired on limited income". aka "Pensioners" and can't afford a 1000 dollar instrument. We love the sound of a cello and want to learn how to play, so this gives us a little start. Thanks again you are doing a wonderful job.
You are welcome, Bluesidian :-)
Thank you for this video. I'm a violinist and wanted to try the cello. I've spent $1000s on violins, but without a commitment to the cello, I wanted to conserve my money. I purchased one of these and immediately threw out all but the stand and bag myself. I was frustrated with the pegs as well. I tried a luthier but he wasn't willing to even touch my cello. I will say that the self-setup work for me wasn't easy. I am no expert at cello setup. That said, I did use peg oil on it and I've been slowly learning the instrument. I am now considering a cello investment. Here is the point, I did not know if I would stay with the cello. I do now after spending less money than I would for good tickets to the symphony. For this, I consider the money well spent.
I will respond in more details to you later this week. Thank you for sharing!
What an excellent video, full of optimism and encouragement. Fantastic.
My pleasure, Steve. Please consider subscribing.
At 56, I to am looking to pick something up. I also have never learned to read music, though I can play a penny whistle, guitar, and piano by ear. I also really loved your closing statement. Thank you for being a decent, and inspirational human being. :-)
Thank you, Mitch, for your kind words.
Mr. Humphries, I to am 50, never held a cello, but have a great desire to learn. Thank you for your honest advise and experience, making a "bad" purchase of an instrument at the start of ones learning could curtail the desire... your video is definitely a help as I am researching / searching for my first cello. Again thank you
You are welcome, Guzzi
You were spot on with the pegs. I have an electric cello from Cecilia and boy does it not want to stay in tune unless you put a metric ton of peg compound to tighten it up. Honestly given the price of this instrument and that a majority of the people in this comment section are looking for a cello under $1000, I would also consider buying better quality pegs and/or work gears if you’re a bit of a hardware artist like myself, who wants to see modern industrial methods applied to get that machine-like appearance if you’re looking into a genre like industrial metal. I don’t like cellos with colored lacquers, because they seem more like a toy than a serious first hand instrument, but if you’re looking for something durable this is a great start.
That actually sound great for the price
Thanks!
Many blessings from the UK Jonathan, great video. I have converted over from harp and violin to cello. I too am in my 50's and bought one of these online black 'student' cellos just to see if I had an affinity with it, I have to say I took to it like a duck to water. But I had to 'pimp' it up by firstly changing the strings, the bow was also changed. I added a new tailpiece for one with tuning adjusters on it. I also purchased some good quality rosin, which I have to say, does make a big difference. I have also got an electric string tuner which makes it easier, although you can get string tuning apps on your phone these days I discovered, so that can cut down costs too! I only paid about $120.00 for it on ebay, but it has given me good introduction into learning this instrument. I agree with you that it can be knocked around a little, although I take care of mine, only because too much knocking about and bumping it tends to set mine totally out of tune, I have been thinking either about replacing the pegs or getting that special adhesive stuff that looks like a chapstick to keep them in place :-) I have definitely subscribed to your channel and look forward to checking out your other videos. Thank you!
Like how you run a balance sheet! Glad to be part of your journey, Terry!
I love the approach to give advice to people who cannot effort expensive instruments, even if expensive for some starts at 1000$/€ or less. Often, they are discouraged and told that below 1500$/€ they could never get a playable instrument. It is sad that then, some never dare to take lessons because they believe they will not be able to buy an instrument for years.
You're a pleasant person! I appreciate your videos and look forward to hopefully starting a cello journey
have you began your journey yet, gee?
@@CelloCoach unfortunately not yet. I have to hold off on diving into this venture at the moment. Life has become very busy. It's always in the back of my mind and hopefully someday soon I can learn
I love this instrument it has a warm tone ❤️ and I love you Jonathan you pop up with positivity right when everything goes darker
I hear you and love you too
Thank you so much in aiding me on my mid-life crisis cello journey. Wanted to buy a Yamaha SVC-210 to learn on (one and done) but quickly learned that it would be a mistake. The CCO-500 seemed to be a a good start at $530 and came with ebony fingerboard and pegs. Thanks to your many videos I've also purchased a On-stage music stand, D Z carbon fiber bow, jarger medium strings, cello rosin, adjustable piano chair, wittner tail piece, misc luthier tools (I live on Maui and have no Luthier available). These amazon cellos are a excellent option for beginners to get knee deep before taking a dive into the abyss. Can't thank you enough brother!!! Learning Cello here on Maui would be damn near impossible without you.
Cello is my secondary instrument, and I had been away from it for many years. I got one of these (not black, just regular) Cecilio cellos and it has been fine. I did upgrade the tailpiece, got a new bow, got peg stop, new bridge, and better strings. I do actually play this cello in performance... as a one-off for pieces within a harp program. So for me, it has been great. One difference... the fingerboard on mine is actually ebony... I got mine about 10 years ago now, so maybe they've changed, or maybe it is different for the cellos done in "colors." I am greatly enjoying your channel and your attitude, and I think you are spot on in saying that for many begginners, or amateurs, this instrument is just fine. Thank you for your insight, your expertise, and your great attitude.
And thank you, Kara, for your story! Yes, there has been a change in how much both ebony and pernambuco is diffused worldwide for trade. Over forestation caused both to dwindle in numbers, hence your cello is a rare example of a Cecilio with ebony parts. Glad you like it!
This is the most honest and helpful review I have watched in a while. And may I just say... the black looks cute :-)
It is a a good cello to get started, yes!
Great video. The most crucial part is in the last minute of the video, I think. Very well spoken. Quality classical string instruments cost a mint. These lower quality instruments give people a way in, and pointing out what makes the difference between a playable and an unplayable cheap instrument could save potential beginners a lot of frustration and money. Well done!
And very well put, Yngvne, thank you for the comment.
I have always been so scared to buy a cello! I have seen these around on Amazon, but the reviews make me scared to buy them cause they say they're horrible!
I'll definitely buy this and I really want to learn how to play the cello!
It makes me happy to see that it may not perfect, but can perform if I give it the right care and treatment...it reminds me of my choir career through school!
When I first started in middle I was a horrible singer, and it was only through time, practice, and years of dedication that I can say I'm good now!
And I hope I can say the same about this too! Thank you so much for the confidence to make this purchase!
CarpWhisperer if it makes you feel better I have the same cello he showed and I absolutely love it!
you should show how to play "One Summer's Day (Opening Theme)" from Spirited Away. It's a beautiful part but i can't find it anywhere!! pleaseeee
I will put it in the queue, Olivia. I too like Joe Hisaishi very much!
Thanks for the review. I’m a guitar player, but I was thinking of buying one of these for kicks. It doesn’t seem bad for the price. $300 buys a lot more than I did when I was younger
certainly gets one "foot in the cello door"
I saw that black cello on ebay right before watching it thanks lad for reviewing this awesome half decent cello! ❤
I bought one on ebay from China, unbranded. The fine tuners slipped, so I bought a new tailpiece like Jonathan said and the luthier filed the Bridge, Nut and even the length of Tuning Peg. but it is possible to get a real good sound out of it.
Thank you so much for this video and the tip with the pegs
Thank you for sharing your story, Iris. I too have a story of returning to cello that is similar to yours. Your story has reminded me how much music means to us. Such a simple thing, this wooden box with chords, yet so important to our lives.
Dude. I learned a lot from you in those past 8 minutes. Thanks, and much appreciated
Anytime, Shynobi. BTW, cool handle
Awesome review basis! An adult learner looking to try. Big hangup has been price it hurt to hear considering my most expensive guitar was only $600 and it sounds great. Gona give this one a go, see if I can't learn so luthier skills too!
Nice, Trevor! Get that cello and start zoom-zooming away!
A few weeks ago I bought a new, ridiculously cheap, unbranded cello off of eBay, and because of the low price, I was dubious as to what I was going to get...but the instrument I got was actually quite incredible. Yes, I did separately purchase peg glue, rosin, and a bow (that cost half the price of the instrument itself) to replace the crappy one that came with it...but it still came to under $200 even with the additional purchases. I'd never be able to get into learning this instrument otherwise, as the town I live in has no stringed instrument resources, period. I appreciate this video!
And I appreciate you sharing your story, Tai.
Nice vid. Cello sounds pretty nice. You seem like nice, knowledgeable and encouraging guy. I bet your students can make good progress under your teaching.
They fall in love with cello, so yeah, I guess I'm doing something right :-)
Great video Jonathan, I always wanted to play the Cello since JHS. But there was only 6 or 8, and I missed the boat. I got to play the violin. Now these are 3/4 size which we were never told until my rich cousin, stopped playing his, and his mother gave me his violin. When I took it to school everyone told me I had a viola, but the teacher told us that mine was a real full violin. I always wanted to play the cello, and my two adult now children bought me a white one similar to the Cecilio. this Xmas. I always hated tuning my 2 violins, so 1-2 years ago, I put precision tuner pegs in both and using a violin peg hole reamer I bought on Amazon. Other repairs I followed CZcams. One peg hole I made too large, and I had to buy the things they showed on CZcams to repair the box holes. Before I got my cello, I bought new strings, bow, a bridge, cello stand, rosen, tail piece, and also precision tuner pegs. The reamer for the violin was too small for the cello box, and a cello peg hole reamer was +$100. Luckily the precision pegs I ordered was the right size, and the threaded in the cello perfect. I like doing things myself, and with the right tools, and instructions it's nothing like seeing your own repairs work, and what others go through to make things work. I rather spend the money on tools and knowledge, I'm not a ship or patient waiting person. Thanks for how to sit with a cello. I also had to buy a new tuner. My two tuners could not tune the C string. I needed a bass tuner. It was weird, I couldn't get that C note by ear.
this video definitely convinced me to finally get a cello after wanting one for years
go get it because it is so easy these days
Thank you, Jonathan, your conclusion is very important and valid. I will be sure to share this with my students. And I love how you keep a positive note the entire way.
Please do!
I'm on the search for a cello, and this video helped me a lot. Thank You!!!!
You're welcome, Michael
Michael Castillo so how has your search panned out it’s a year later
BTW your videos have been really inspiring for me. I have always loved the cello buy have never played before, nor can I read music. Making cello accessible for someone like me means a lot.
Jesus Christ you sound good on that things. I’ve been thinking of learning how to play the cello and I’ve been looking what cello to start off with. Thanks:)
Thanks you Time Racer111
The best entry level instrument isn't a cheap new one, but a decent older, used one.
Depending on your location in the world, and also your access to luthier. Hence, for some this cello is their first cello.
I have some really good instruments, American Fender Deluxe Strat, Buffet E11 Clarinet, Korg Kronos synth, Gretsch drums. But I also have some laughably cheap ones. Etude flute, Etude trumpet, Mendini soprano saxophone. And some decent middle of the line cheap like me Jean Paul Alto Sax and Bb Clarinet. I also have squire bullet strat, $100 Epiphone guitars, and a Gibson Les Paul. So I'm all over the place quality wise. I can tell you 100% that cheap instruments are perfectly playable, and can be used to make beautiful music, and not hold a student back. What you're hearing on a great recording is the artist, not the gear. However, many of the cheaper instruments needed to be adjusted to play their fullest. The cheapy guitars needed intonation adjustments, pickup height adjustments, string action smoothed out, buzzing frets re-surfaced in some instances. The cheaper wood winds might have a weak spring that needed bending or replacing, The pad heights on my soprano sax were so bad it was 40cents flat on some notes until I adjusted the heights to play in tune. I didn't start out knowing how to do luthier work, and woodwind adjustments. But it didn't take a semester in school to learn it either. So there is a bit more "mr fix it" involved with the cheaper instruments although most played fine out of the box. Guitar adjustments in particular are simple to change and made to do so with a minimum o fuss. They even give you the tools in a bag around the guitars neck. Then there was my Cecilio violin. I've peg dropped it to stay in tune. Put prelude strings on to sound like a violin instead of a cat dying in a sandblaster machine. I re-sanded the bridge to follow the shape of the fingerboard and be in tune with itself. And both bows it came with were twisted, so I had to learn how to adjust them with an alcohol burner. It was scary but is actually straight forward an I haven't burned or damaged anything. I already had the burner to re-do pads on my woodwinds. If you aren't prepared to "diy", then a more expensive instrument will likely keep in good condition for longer periods, where a cheaper instrument might need more trips to the shop for adjustment, which can add up in cost over time. But again, if you're not afraid to do simple work yourself, the cheaper instruments can be a fine purchase, and you might even enjoy learning how to work on them. I know I did.
After doing extensive research I’ve bought this cello (in blue) and I gotta say I’ve been impressed with it so far. I’m an amateur musician who already plays guitar, trumpet, and sax and I’ve always loved the cello but they are so expensive. I really feel when I replace my tailpiece, strings, and bow this will be just what I need until I actually get good.
Cool! Yes, I have direct experience upgrading a cobalt blue Cecilio cello for a student, and a bridge adjustment with your aforementioned upgrades should sort you out nicely!
Great video I’m a wind player and always wanted to learn how to play a string instrument and was looking into cellos cause I love how they sound so thanks for the video
Rock on!
It's probably worth it to take a new instrument to a luthier in any case because they sometimes have the habit of putting the sound post in the wrong location, so the bridge doesn't make good contact with it and the instrument loses some voice. Another common problem with the violin and family is string resonance on some notes causing unpleasant buzzing. A quick fix is a little bit of tape on the problem string between the bridge and tailpiece, or even stripping some wire insulation off a piece of wire, and then sliding it down the string to fit between the bridge an tailpiece/tuners.
That's a good hack! Going to reference this comment in a future Cello Coach talk. Thanks, Subparanon!
I bought a cello for $100 back in 2006 . Never played one. Love the sound. It was probably one of those types of cheap cellos. I screeched for a few days and messed with the pegs and hmmm where exactly do you put the bridge?
I had sooOo much fun !
Also I knew musicians that gave me advice on how to use the bow and such.
Now I’m still a beginner and purchasing a new one to start over. It’s gonna be better!
Can’t wait.
Just say’n, had to start on the hundred dollar one to go to the next stage. Thanks for the review and keep teaching those students!
Peace…
thanks for sharing, Jesse
I’m enjoying you. Thumbs up from Maine.
Simple and smiles, things one would expect from a musician who plays an instrument from the heavens.
Thank you, from France
I m searching for buying one this month and I saw this on Amazon. Glad someone had review about it
Got a like and subscribe for the great end to the video. You understand not everyone can spend a lot to start and you reached out. Thank you for your understanding.
A good honest review and ending. I play a couple of instruments and have always wanted to play cello because they sound so awesome.... Maybe it's time for me to finally get one
Thank you, BasementManagement
Great video! I started playing acoustic guitar again because of...Rock Band. Yes. Rock Band. Then I bought a $99 combo guitar...one of the cheapest I found on Amazon. Came with everything. I changed the pickup, the strings, and played it like crazy for 3 years. Then I sold that and bought a Martin 000XAE a year ago and am still going strong. The Martin is a way better guitar, and I spent so long on a really cheap instrument that the Martin was such a nice step up. I now am familiar enough with guitar to know my preferred strings, picks, fretboard width, capo, etc.
All told, that's the same concept with these entry-level Cellos. See how you like it, stick with it, then buy something great when you're found yourself really loving the cello (or any instrument) and playing it often enough to warrant the purchase. Or, just go whole hog the first time and re-sell if you find yourself not playing enough. :D
Either way, it's nice that there are relatively inexpensive instruments out there and many avenues for people to learn a new instrument. :)
I bought one of these, stained color not the painted version. Mine stays in tune, maybe I'm lucky but haven't used any glue. Got it real close and used the fine tuners now. I ordered a carbon bow, but still using old one it actually is not bad. Rosin and strings are crap. Yes trash. Well I changed the d and a strings to Larson. I was Initially scared to purchase but went ahead and got it and I'm glad I did. Down the road I'll get me a nice one but I can learn right now! Maybe I'll donate it to someone wanting to learn later. Thanks for the review and your lessons!
THIS is why Amazon cellos exist! Love your mentality, wj Tucker!
Honestly impressed with the sound for what it is! I considered getting one but taking it to the luthier is exactly the problem at the moment, what with the pandemic and all rofl. So just gonna rent a kit from them directly next week. At least I can rent to buy later. xD
For my violin, I use Jade L' Opera rosin. I really love it. It's great for those allergic to natural rosin. It's hypoallergenic.
I do want to get into playing the cello. I know a higher quality instrument is best but it's hard to find good quality instrument at an affordable price point. It's the cost that holds me back.
Good to know! I also have used the Super-Sensitive Cello Rosin and wondered if there is another alternative for it ....
I'm in the market to purchase a beginner's cello (because I'm not in the market for an upright bass now! LOL), and I've been really researching this particular cello for the simple fact that I've always wanted an upright bass but could never afford one, but its my understanding that even though cellos are tuned in 5ths, these can be tuned in 4ths which can give an extended range. I would mainly be using it to play lower register notes like an upright (Hey, can't blame a guy for trying LOL!!). But at the same time I'm learning a lot about what goes into the maintenance and care of these stringed instruments as well!! (In all fairness, I am a bass player of 30 + years) I appreciate the transparency and honesty of your review, My Good Sir!!! And I will be going for that PURPLE cello that they have!!!! (I'm a PURPLE ARMY SOLDIER 4 LIFE (Prince💜🕊) Take Care and Thanks Again!!!! ✌💜
Thank you for sharing
I wish i had teachers like you on my school
Just heard that piece on a concert cello and can really hear the difference.
yup!
Thanks for reviewing this one! I have the same model, and although it's not the "best" I adore my cello because it allowed me to start my favorite instrument from nothing, just like your student 💛
Glad you enjoy your cello. With some strings and a better tail piece, a re-shaped bridge - all can be completed at your luthier - the cello is a reliable and fun instrument to play.
Rather than buying a cheap one (online), I decided to use a good quality rental from a luthier for a year. Cost me 300 EUR, but it did allow me to evaluate whether or not learning the cello was something for me.
This is EXACTLY what my channel is about: inspiring others to play cello while supporting our local luthiers! Bravo, Jacques!
In more general music shops, one may find affordable cellos as well (at least in some shops in Belgium, that is the case). At least, the cellos in such shops are ready to be used and do not require the student to mount the bridge and tune it first, both quite daunting and not something a beginner feels up to.
Those used or previously rented cellos are great to play, I totally agree!
Very good review! You can hear very clearly the sound!
I bought a cheap electric cello a while back to try and learn on. Broke 2 sets of strings just trying to tune the darn thing. Ended up selling it :p
I have that exact cello and I'm a beginner. Yes, I hate the bow. I'm 37 and never played cello before. Unlike your student, I played piano, so I know how to read music and my daughter plays violin, so I have some background info for string instruments. For a grown up beginner student like me, I think that is the best affordable cello in the market. I hope I can keep play cello so I can get in to an amatuer city orchestra some day.
Lovely story Aery, and thank you for sharing. Hope you are having a healthy 2020!
I actually bought this cello (brown color) and I like it! Playing open A kinda sucks but the rest of it is awesome! Maybe you got a defective model, I'm not sure, but I love this cello!
Welcome to Cello
Learning on subpar equipment can be better. You learn how to make junk sound good. Stay away from bad habits and when you get some decent stuff you make magic.
Couldn't have stated it better, dshall27
Thank you so much for this review. I have been doing so much research on whether I should rent or buy this cello with the additional adjustments you recommend. I would love to know what affordable bow you recommend for a beginner. I played the viola for roughly 5 years until I was 12 and haven't played an instrument since. I am now 21 and asking for a cello for my late birthday gift. I truly enjoy your videos and will continue to watch you as I learn!
Ha ha I should of done my homework before buying. I bought the other style same cello. 39 years old and getting into cello to help with anxiety/ptsd (military). Cello is a very cool instrument the more I learn. Thanks for the great videos your helping me "learn alot"
WOW you made an inexpensive cello sound like a much more expensive one. Also the strings and bow make a big difference. You can make a so so cell sound like an expensive one. I have a Cecilio CCO 200 Cello and replaced the bow with one From DZ strand and also bought much better strings. My teacher was amazed with how much better it now sounds and even compared it to her $15000 cello. Well done and thought filled and informative video. I very much agree with all that you say and show in the video.
Well I’ll be dammed.. I have steered away from buying a cello for around 10 years because I thought they would be outrageously expensive. No I want to learn how to play..at 25 haha
Then take the plunge!
I played cello decades ago and have wanted to get back into it. I periodically would check Ebay just to see what was out there and how affordable one would be. I wasn't looking for a Stradivarious, but everything I saw was unaffordable. Then I got a notification about Cecilio, where they offered one for $199.00 + $57.00 shipping. I went for it, because I just wanted something I could work with. I'm able to work with the bow and rosin OK, but, yes, one of the pegs is a challenge to keep in place. Couldn't you also use sand paper to sand down both the peg and the hole a bit? I would think that should create enough friction to hold the peg in place.
Sand paper on a cello is a luthier's job.
Me, one minute into the video:
"Omg he has a baby bow in his hand 🥺☺️"
I had one of these to start with. The tailpiece was terrible (the strings kept falling off the pegs). The scroll pegs had the issue you described, however my instructor advised me to simply use a piece of chalk and pull out the pegs slightly, draw on them with the chalk, and retighten. Worked great!
Still, after I decided to stick with it, I got a nicer cello for advancing my skills. Someone got this one for REALLY cheap at my local Goodwill. ;)
great story
Any idea why nobody is making an upright bass at a similar price point? Thanks
I don’t know if it’s even possible just because of the size of the instrument
because they're massive. the amount of material alone is... yeah expensive
Because a bass, even a small one, is often triple in size which means material's which means price
Makes sense. Thanks for the clarity!
Just a note, remember double scale length means four times material for hollow parts like the body and eight for solid components like strings
Thank you for uploading this video. It really helped me. That cello sounded great and I would be ok with buying a separate bow if it was needed.
Wonderful! Anytime
I bought this Cello($320) have some weeks. I'm 43, and I'm a beginner. The Cello is beautiful, it's a sparkling black( Metallic). I don't regret it. I read many reviews and videos comparison. Following the hints of the professionals, I ordered a new bow, the bow that came with was 92 grams. The new carbon fiber($75) bow is 79 grams and is black. Wow, that was a huge difference in practice... Much lighter, you can study for more time. Yes, the rosin was trash. I bought a Pirastro Oliv.Evah($17) solved the problem in 10 full applications. I bought a D’Addario tuner ($15) and I'm surprised! The instrument is keeping the tune every time I get it back. I don't have problems with the pegs. Looks like they changed the arm (2022). Mine is not painted, it's dark wood. I changed the strings. I bought a D'Addario Heliocore ($110) because I want to see the difference in the sound. It came to be better, but you can wait a bit more to change because is pretty expensive compared to the cello price. In general, I'm in love with my instrument because it is my first instrument and looks beautiful!!! Renting an instrument in my area was about ($200/month), for me it was better to have the instrument forever instead, with no future pressure to learn faster or pay the rent. I love to set up the new parts, the strings, and all. It makes me all more connected to Violoncello. Thank you for the video, Jonathan! 💙
And thank you Janiele for sharing your story! Inspiring to other we hope
Wow this inspires me. I'm going to learn violin from scratch but am also interested in Cello aswell. Tou sir have a sub 👍
Thanks for the sub, Luis. My advice, start with cello - it is physically easier.
A lot of people would’ve said this cello is a waste of money but you saying that putting more money into it would give you a playable cello gives the video a more real sense
These acoustics are amazing
I liked the suggestion of using the rosin for a doorstop! 🤣
And we can use any viol as a paper weight ;-)
Jonathan Humphries BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Never - I love my Gamba!!! 😝
This video helped me out a lot! Thank you!
You are welcome, Corrupted Playground. BTW, cool name! Would make a good metal band!
I like your ending comment! I will say I'm in that boat, I bought a cello "later in life" and yep; It was an amazon special. I will say watching reviews, I REALLY scored since I paid less than your $300 kit, but the cello was apparently of better quality. (pegs hold, finger board isn't painted wood, etc etc...bow maybe is the worst). What matters is that you play. not how much you pay!
"What matters is that you play. not how much you pay!" - (your name here) May aI quote you?
@@CelloCoach. Why not! Shawn Updegraff
Thanks for the impartial review.
Anytime, CRAZYCR1T1C
Beautiful vibrato thank you for the video.
Thank you, Dale!
My "cheap chinese no name beginner cello" (bought in Germany for 400€) had the exact same flaws. Horrible strings, wobbling pegs with the holes for the strings being drilled in the wrong place and the bow was of no use at all. After fixing these problems just by replacing trash parts with decent parts (soft Larsen strings and a nicely used bow from the luthier) and properly positioned holes in the pegs I had two years of fun with it until it startet to crack twice. First crack on the top, left of the neck. We fixed it, - second crack a few month later, this time on the back behind the endpin. We fixed that too. It nevertheless sounds ok and is easy to play. So I´m going to keep it anyways. But unless one is able to fix things like that via DIY I reckon it´s better to purchase a beginner instrument from a luthier even if it seems to be way more expensive in the first place.
Well said!
Excelent review, congratulations from México.
Por supuesto, Emmanuel Arce!
yes...thank you for your honesty ...my 50+ year old desire may finally come true
IT can! But one today from the Amazon link and you will be helping the channel too ;-)
I bought a white cello like this on Amazon for around 250 dollars and as soon as I got it I had to spend money getting better strings a better bow and it still sounds terrible. Not only do I have to retune it, but the sound quality is terribly scratchy and it kind of rings out in a horrible way. I play cello at my school and the one I use there is of better quality and sounds beautiful. Sadly my cello now sits in my room in its case hardly ever touched because try as I might, I cannot fix it anymore due to costs, and I also cannot stand the noise. If you are looking for a cello that is actually playable then I'd rather you save up because these cellis will just make you spend more.
You need to be patient to play your white knight, Natalie. New cellos, especially lacquered ones like yours, need to be "broken in". The cellos at your school have been played for years and years. Those cellos are like you most comfy pair of jeans or leather shoes. New cellos need to be thrashed, played and thrashed some more. You have to pull out those notes like pulling teeth at first, but it will be easier to play. This very cello sounded "scratchy" and metallic too, when my student first acquired it. I consoled her like I am doing so with you. That cello you have is not much different from this one, save for the fact this black cello was given a second chance at a musical life.
Thank you so much for that video because I've always wanted to learn cello and I was looking to by one but I was afraid to buy one that is cheap because I thought that it will not be that good!!! You liturgy save my!! 😅😅😅 thanks a lot!! 😍😍😍
Make the upgrades on strings and other matters and you will be happy, Anastasia.
That has a really awesome deep tone to the cello. I wouldn't mind having one but what I would really like to get is an electric cello have any comments on the electric cellos to get from amazon?
I have review on an Amazon Electric cello, so you can get one, if you like something that will be a proper cello, one you will play for ever and ever, buy NS Design : amzn.to/2DD8Xdv
Not a lot of soul to the timbre, but I have to say it didn't sound half bad with a decent cellist playing it. The low register was far better than I imagined: I predicted mud, and it was actually quite bright and clear.
Thanks! Yes, the top end is flat but the bottom end has evolved over the last 3 years. Better strings make a big difference.
Wow this can help a lot, my biggest fear when starting the cello was the cost. If I can get a luthier to make the changes to the cello that you mentioned I will be able to afford it.
hope you made you cello dream happen
@@CelloCoach I did, oh and the cello teacher that I learn from in person seems to really like your videos. She said you helped a lot with her learning about electric guitars.
Don't throw that rosin away. It is useful for soldering :D
Really?
@@CelloCoach Yes. There are rosin based products (called "flux") made specifically for soldering, but any piece of rosin will do.
I needed to hear those final words. I'm 36, never played an instrument. 2 years ago, after most internal turmoil, I decided I wanted to play an instrument. I chose the electric bass because I always preferred this part in music, and it's cheap, small, relatively easy with very little 'work' (because it's always a pleasure). But then I thought about the upright bass. The price is still a big problem. But I know this is my truest calling. ONE DAY... Today I talked to a violinist friend who mentioned the cello as an alternative. I never considered it, let alone knew which of the other two 'violins' the cello was. Now I've spent my evening researching prices and watching videos and this one. I was torn by the reality that you do have to put a bit more money to get a better instrument that will require less upkeep. But I'm in the same situation as your student. I can't afford a nice luthier-made work of art, I just want to learn and play and work and try stuff. If along the way I need a better instrument, then I'll start saving for a better instrument. I don't want to feel like I'm investing in something I might drop in two months. I need to make sure that I like all aspects of playing this instrument. The mental investment is much more important to me.
Thank you for sharing, EK X
paid $180 for mine its fine for beginners like me.The tuner pegs do slip.
Wow! I had no idea about the glue (guitar player😂🎸) great video thanks👍
You are welcome!
Hope that head injury isn’t too severe. Kidding, I’ve been wondering if these cheap cellos were playable. Sounds pretty good to me. Thanks for the bow tip!
Yes ,they are more than playable! This cello - re-stringed with D'Addario Preludes, a re-shaped bridge and Wittner tailpiece - is comfortable and very playable.
Jonathan Humphries didn’t expect a reply, awesome! I play guitar, drums a little piano etc.. I’m not the greatest but enjoy making music. Are cello strings gauged like guitar strings? If they are, what gauge is on that setup? I’ve also wondered if they make flat wounds. Surf cello lol
All cello strings are much more expensive than guitar strings. Just my A string costs more than a whole set of top quality acoustic guitar chords. Gauges are universal, though the "tension" is like guitar, with soft, medium, hard and "soloist".
Jonathan Humphries gotcha, thanks for the info. I appreciate the replies. Cool channel btw. You know, the head wound comment was just because it looks like an Ace bandage 🤕 I didn’t know there was an emoji for it until I typed!! 😂 joking anyway, thanks again and Happy New Year!!
No worries, monkfry. I wear headbands and wanted to have one one for a video but did not wan to look like a karate movie trope. IMHO, with all the seriousness in the world, self-deprecation is a reminder we nee to lighten up. Thanks for the joke and compliment.
Nice job Jon! thx. i wish i could find an electoacoustic cello that is more compact without the classic " t&A" lady shape lol