JUNK Out Of The Box! Can We FIX The 383 Stroker Crankshaft?
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- čas přidán 2. 09. 2023
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We put the cleaning guy up to the challenge of making our 383 crankshaft better than new!
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You guys need a engine run stand. Good job cleaning guy!!!!!( Sponsor hint hint get in now)
What would it cost to build a chevy 4.3 v6 vortec with some high performance parts
BetterHelp is a scam though,
they're not licensed at all, and people have comitted self-unalives after talking to the people from that website/app.
Got a 96 2 bolt 5.7 lt1 block.
I want to convert to 4 bolt and .030 over bore. What is the cost for something like this?
The cleaning guy sure knows a lot about engines. We need more cleaning guys just like him. Love the precision work for sure.
I like the technique of faking an ego to stay humble. It takes two on board to do it but they pull it off. Assuming I'm reading them right to begin with.
Amen!!
@@InsideOfMyOwnMind Indeed.
He deserves a whole set of new brooms!! 😂
@@buddyhassell6989 I agree!
Really appreciate machinists more after discovering this channel
Thank you!
@@JAMSIONLINEI've said this on the CEE channel as well - most people have no idea the critical role machinists play in human activity. For instance, they play a huge role in science creating custom equipment used for experiments. My dad ran a major science lab once and there was a metal shop, a wood shop, plastics and glass. A lot of science depends on super high precision - who makes such custom equipment? Machinists.
Also, they operate on the boundary between engineering and artisanship because a lot of it is judgment born of experience and native skill.
They’ve been repairing instead of replacing for hundreds of years too, as can be seen here and on CEE
as an hvac guy for 28 years i’m proud to admit i know absolutely nothing about what you two are talking about but i love this channel.. it’s my new favorite,
thanks for what you guys do
Also an HVAC guy but at heart a car guy who loves building engines, and this is definitely one of my top 3 favorite channels
Best quote of the day, "There is enough needle movement to know I am actually measuring."
Attention to minute details and targeting extremely small tolerances is impressive for cheap help. :-)
Retired moldmaker/toolmaker here.. for over 50 years. So love your channel! Relate to all the procedures, checking, dialing in, grinding/maching and bringing it all together as you guys do.. great job as always!
As a mechanic and having my ol' man now just hit his 80's, seeing your dad have the wiggles but having machines with such fine control that it allows him to continue doing what he loves doing just gets me in the feels! Your dad is like an entire encyclopaedia set and the stuff he has forgotten is probably more than I'll ever learn. Love seeing you 2 work together.
As a CNC operator on a production crankshaft line in a major automotive production factory. What you are correcting here is moving this crank into specs and limits that I see at work. Amazing work gentleman.
I don't think the industrial and the damn CNC's can hold a damn reneshaw probe and get it back EXACTLY enough or be ridgid enough after 700+ cranks per monthsure at first. They they will be slappy pappy like this crank in no time. There is no comparison human can get WAY closer.
@bigboreracing356 I do not, I work for an auto manufacturer's powertrain facility.
I am always impressed by machinists……they are almost always humble like this too….I get lost in the numbers and math but I can tell he has it figured out properly……great video showing how it’s done
Being old enough to be the cleaning guy's father and having had a master machinist for MY father, I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see there are still people with a perfectionist's mentality and the skills and knowledge to apply them. Well done you two, well done!
And this is why I had no issue paying my local machine shop a bit extra to make sure my engine build was done right! Love the videos Gentlemen! Top notch 👍👍
this just shows how easy this job is when even the cleaning guy in a shop can do it.
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I honestly love the running cleaning guy gag. It's not over done and in your face or cringe. I think it works so well because he is so obviously skilled and knowledgeable.
The cleaning guy might just might turn into a good machinist someday. Lol
Goes to show that out of the box by a reputable company isnt always ready to install. This is why its so important to find the right machinist, because no two of those are the same either. We need more like you guys, experienced and always learning every single day.
I wish everyone took as much pride in there work as you two guys, the cleaning guy is doing a great job. Lol
The relationship between the two of you is what makes this channel! Enjoy seeing the projects as they progress through to completion.
The detail in getting this crank right from aspects is fascinating. Most of us just look at the journal and want the least material removed. Great video and full respect for your crank grinding skills.
It's very satisfying to witness the strict attention to detail and precision. After watching some of your videos, it's very easy to bring something in for a job and not have to worry about " do they know what they're doing?" kinda thoughts. Great job salvaging that crank..
Lol 😂 your Dad is a great sport. But he's a even greater machinist
Great to see someone who really cares about the details and finished product being as good as possible 👍👍👍🇦🇺
The amount of precision work is astounding. These guys are very skilled.
I really like how your channel has a mix of projects. It's not just one type. New stuff Old stuff and even Tractors. A nice mix, keep up the good work.
Educational and it’s equally interesting watching you two.
Thanks for watching!
I am totally impressed with how clean your shop is because every time I see your cleaning guy he's wasting his time grinding cranks and decking heads to perfection.😁
your cleaning crew will be schooling you all the way till the end .. absolutely love this channel, take care of one another 🙂
Oh, I really hope you guys get a lot more business coming your way because of this channel!
I'm in awe at the skill of you guys. The care and attention to detail is astounding 🇬🇧
Also, one thing I learned that was etched in my head from my old auto shop teacher in highschool, who actually looked alot like the cleaning guy here, same personality too. Amazing book of information. But he pushed that a crank is designed to be supported in the main bearings. And storing it laying down WILL bend it under its own weight And never ever ever ever store the crank laying down. The shop had crank slots like win glass holders under one of the long stainless steel tables, to slide the cranks in and they hang from the end. Always spread white lithium grease and wrap in a bag and store slotted hanging. Even laying down for a few hours, the crank can bend itself ever so slightly you probably could put back in and hold it and allow it to come down, but if it's bent when you torque everything down, you risk rolling a main bearing.
I loved soaking in knowledge and always wanted to do machine work, but I didn't know anyone to be able to learn under. But now I'm a senior lead IT security architect for a fortune 500 financial firm working in an Air conditioned office putting together reports, power points, presentations to the CISO, and building our the latest security platforms... Just doing the same clockwork activities day in day out .. My machinest dreams set sail long ago :(. Here I sit sad and possible talent wasted... if any kid shows interest in doing this, be sure to invite him in and spark that little machinest in them to follow. :). My grandson, he's 11 months and I'm going to push to spark his interest in electrical engineering, or mechanical or something. And be something other then this new generation of pansies lol. ...ouch, my feelers are hurt by your opinion on something that has nothing to do with me, but I'm going to complain until someone listens. Lol
Very controversial subject about crank storage positions and I've always had a disbelief that a forged crank or any crank could relax or move permanently under its own weight when it doesn't move in its intended application with all the forces, stresses, heat being applied. I haven't seen any proof from having cranks turned after being throwed around and laying every which of way. But I still like to stand them up or hang vertical. Which if you think about it, hanging or standing could distort it just the same because the main centerline is not a continuous straight line of material so its not really supported much better.
This is so awesome to watch, very precise! It's so neat to see someone still taking pride in their work!
Absolutely brilliant story so far on the 383. Not a machinist, but you need to increase your 'cleaning guys' wages. Explanations of the various processes are absolutely spot on, easily understood by a lay person. Thoroughly enjoying this series so far. PS How is the tractor rebuild going.
extremely excellent work on when you’re working on a crankshaft, that is something that you never, ever rush through, because the Main Journals and ConRod Journals have to be within thousandths of an inch , otherwise the engine will fail
Within 10ths of thousands (10ths).
Quality people doing Quality work! What a joy to watch! I had commented in the balancing video about checking the balance of the "replacement" crank before adding the weighted flywheel, with just the bobweights. Is that a possibility?? I know that some 383 kits are internally balanced and just wondering how this kit is set up. Thanks and keep up the great work!
This kit is intended to be used with the weighted flywheel. The weight on the flywheel is ~150 grams, at a larger radius, in a different position from where we removed weight. Without it the crank would be a mile off. This is how the kit is designed.
@@JAMSIONLINE Thank you for responding . It was a question that a couple of us had and now that you have answer it, I am greatful . Thank you for taking the time and keep on doing the great work you do! I just wish you were closer to Wisconsin.
I have heard that the internally balanced 383 stroker has longer counterweights. Those counterweights require 6 inch connecting rods instead of the 5.7 inch stock length rods. They would also need shorter pin height pistons which may weigh less that stock pin height pistons. Some of those pistons either have an oil ring that intersects the piston pin bore, and requires reinforcement. Others have a narrower than stock ring pack to avoid intersecting the piston pin bore. There may have also been some heavy metal pressed into the crank.
You 2 are fantastic! You guys really pay attention to detail where it counts and have very honest insights. I would love to have you guys do an engine for me one day.
I love the description of it being like grinding a wet noodle. I had worked with steel a lot as just a diy kinda welder, and knew it wasn't as hard and rigid as we like to think, fast forward a few years and I'm a hobby machinist with a little lathe, and it always amazes me how much metals will twist, bend, distort, wobble, ect. Would be mind blowing to teenage me.
I sometimes work with my sons, and they are often surprised by the number of tips and tricks I have collected over seven decades.
I really enjoy watching. Thank you for sharing your time and talents.
It's amazing out of all the shop videos I've seen many of the machines are older rather new. In that, it's the older machines that are making the difference for a better outcome! This includes the people who maintain and operate them! Their knowledge is invaluable and worthy of a timely periodic raise to keep their interests fresh.
This is truly an art that used to be more common place in the United States, but due to the exit of US manufacturing, has become more and more of a rarity. I look at the way that you have that crank rigged up, and I would love to see a video of what you have to do to set up a crank in that machine so that it spins so nicely around that throw. My great grandfather, John R. Saylor, founded the legendary Pottstown Machine Co…..and I grew up with chips in my shoes. It just warms my heart to see you doing what you’re doing.
Wow. For that quality of work, a week long pizza party would be cheap, even with beers. Got to love the clear connection and control of the crank grinder there. Well done. Hopefully you can get to show us the engine running at some stage.
For all of the great content you've produced, this one on Crank grinding is my new favorite. Watched it from beginning to end. So informative and the Cleaning Guy got to show case his talent.
I wish a had pursued a career as machinist but life didn't work out that way. You're channel has provided answers to so many questions I've had over the years. I really appreciate your decision making process and that you share it with us.
Keep up the great work.
Be prepared, I have a feeling you're going to be inundated with brooms and dust pans from your fans. God bless.
The amount of pride that the cleaning guy takes in getting things perfectly concentric and in spec is admirable and borderline nutty. I'd hope that my machinist would take as much pride in his work as he does!
/E: I'm in the process of rebuilding a motor for the first time, and it's been a lot of fun to get into the nitty-gritty of the details into an engine. I've seen one rebuilt a thousand times, but never gotten into this level of detail into the internal bits! Love it!
I am really enjoying the depth of discussion and detail you guys are sharing - all in easy to understand language ... I love the interaction too! THANK YOU for sharing!
The clean up guy definitely knows what he’s doing. I’m not good at some math and heard about grinding cranks 10-10 i didn’t realize that was 10 thousands of a inch. Took a out of rounds and cleaned it up this amazes me. I know nothing about machining. Your Dad is awesome.
Love the back anf forth between you two!!!
Makes it all worht while!!!
Thank You, Both😄😁😊
Amazing work! Even more amazing is the years of work and experience that goes into something like this. There is no substitute for experience!!!👍
This is what it looks to do it right, not because it’s completely necessary, but because you are a true craftsman. The world needs people who bring this capability and consciousness to their endeavors. Thank you for sharing these videos!
Absolutely love it when perfection is a given standard without drama or ego
It was a pleasure watching you show/demonstrate what it takes to grind a crank and make it true. Hats off to you.
Your Dad is tip of the top. And I'll bet he's pretty proud of you too. And your Mom, for putting up with all of you is a golden standard! I really appreciate all of you. Thanks for sharing.
Absolutely love the video
Show that father and son can work together so well
And showing what a professional machinist can do
And all the labor it went into it you better get some coffee and donuts in the morning
If I close by I would bring them myself
God bless and have a good day
Really interesting. I always wondered what the process was to regrind a crank shaft. As a heavy diesel mechanic of 35 plus years. I appreciate your precision work.
Your channel by far and this video in particular. Is without a doubt the best automotive machine shop channel on the internet. Your explanations of procedures and information provided to the viewer. Your strive towards the best possible outcome on your work. Plus the back and forth banter between father and son. Thank you for your great channel and for sharing such good videos. Wishing you the best in the future.
Wow... old school knowledge and skill. The old timers have so much to give and I thank you for showing his skill. I work in a machine shop and really appreciate the perfection.
A lifetime of experience and pride in workmanship, excellent video and not found in many shops anymore
As a guy that writes software to detect misfires (and flash that darned MIL), thank you for indexing the crank so accurately. I wish all of my customers had crankshafts machined so tightly. The indexing error makes the crankshaft velocity wobble just a tiny bit, maybe not enough to see on a dyno, but enough to make misfire detection just a bit more difficult.
Your knowledge and experience is absolutely superior to some othef engine maching shop I've known. Great workmanship and I trust you are passing on that knowledge to your offspring. Keep on smiling.
This was my favorite of all of your videos that I have watched so far. I love seeing things done as reasonably close to perfect as possible.
I hope my machinist is this good. Awesome attention to detail.
Your cleaning man is not just a machinist he is an artist.
I don't want to make him nervous but he has 54,000 pseudo experts looking over his shoulder as well as the "boss".
You guys always amaze me.
Hope he got the pizza party if not the broom.
This channel is awesome. All the technical talk brings me back to when I built my first motor and how much time I spent researching and trying to learn.
Brings a smile to this old dudes face. i know absolutely nothing about engines and processes but you guys really do make it interesting. Cheers from down under in Aussie.
It's great to see you both work together and love what you do you and your dad are a blast to watch
This was so interesting and truly shows how invaluable a good engine shop can be for special projects
Watching the cleaning guys hands operate the grinding machine without looking at anything else but the dial just shows how many hours he's done cleaning on that machine alone😆
G'day from Brisbane Australia gentlemen 🇦🇺
Great explainer video! Cleaning guy is a great teacher, and the boss does a great job putting it into video for us. Keep up the good work boys!
Your videos are always so informative. I appreciate the level of professionalism that you guys display in every job you do. That attention to detail is something that is hard to find these days. Keep up the great work.
This level of precision is mind boggling !! Amazing !!
Thanks for figuring out how much a degree of index represented in size. So much of crank grinding is thought and feel and honestly what kind of a day the operator is having. I enjoy the job but I need to be in a good mindset before I'll tackle the machine that day and it can be much more stressful to operate than the other machines in the shop. (boring bar, cylinder hone, rod hone, even the dyno)
I really like your guys' craftsmanship and attention to not only detail, but theory too. If I ever do another motor Job I hope you'll do the machine work!
Quality people doing quality work! Great content.
I always wondered about indexing and that was the best explanation I have heard and to think the cleaning guy did the math and had the receipts! Thank You.
Great video and full of little details all explained in a way the average guy can understand all the while showing what the extra time and money are paying for. You guys truly care about the customer, hold a high stand ward for quality, and do the extra things that may go unnoticed. Some may call that OCD but in my mind, it is not just the company name on the product, pride and going above what may be need brings the satisfaction of a great job done. All the details show in the end product. Start solid and square you end the same way. The Cleaning Guy is a bank of knowledge, awesome that you guys have this platform to pass on years of knowledge and shed light on all that goes into your work.
This is exactly what i need to do for the rest of my life. Awesome skill, and i love the perfection involved.
Impressive work. Thank you for explaining the grinding process.
It's so impressive to watch and listen to you both do all this machining and assembly work with such impressive accuracy and attention to the smallest detail! Even though I have a technical background, I learn quite a bit from each and every episode. Since I'm a German who has to look up certain terms from time to time, it's a bit more complicated, but I enjoy every video. Keep up the good work producing videos like this and celebrating true craftsmanship.
I asked for a crank indexing video and you delivered! Much thanks! Paid for indexing/equalizing quite a few times, never actually got to see the process in action. Those older Peterson grinders seem to be great machines from my perspective as a builder...helps to have a good machinist at the wheels. ;)
Really interesting stuff guys and I love the banter that you have between each other. 👍🇬🇧
Love this video series. Always cool to see troubleshooting in the shop, especially when it comes to "new in box" parts these days.
This is the best episode of y'all yet!!! Can't wait to see final assembly of this motor.
Absolutely fascinating content. 👍
Much appreciated
Lmao, "you want a new broom while I'm in town tonight???" I busted up laughing.
I love the work and the family.. Best channel on CZcams.. Keep it up, guys!
Dang man! Imagine what you could learn if the cleaning guy handed you a broom!
Full respect guys.
i would be like a kid in a candy store if i was in their shop, because that is what i enjoy doing and seeing all those amazing machines is awesome
Agreed! My cousin has his own machine shop and I am the same way when I am there.
That is years of experience shown in that indicator!!!! Absolutely true 0... amazing!!!
In my younger life I was a 19-year-old old Crewchief and lead mechanic on U.S. Navy ASW aircraft (P2 Neptune) that ran as their main engines (2) Wright R3350 twin row 18 cylinder air cooled radial engines. Each engine develops way in excess of 2500 shaft horsepower. Each cylinder had an individual capacity of 181 cubic inches. I occasionally would venture to the engine rebuild facility to see the labor of keeping these monster engines being rebuilt. I can only say WOW in how y'all can set up and grind and truing this "ruined" 383 crankshaft. These R3350 engines are the same as are currently operating in "Doc" a completely rebuilt flying example of the Boeing B29 Superfortress originally built in and rebuilt in Wichita Kansas. It flies around the country as a flying example of the hundreds of B29s that flew during WWII and the War in Korea. Your knowledge and expertise are a wonder to me. However, the roller bearings and oil would have absorbed the imperfections during the building of my R3350 engines. If y'all get a chance go to watch Doc roll out start up and fly off to see something interesting. In my mind, the R3350 was the most amazing engine to work on and witness operating. Just saying. You Guys Rock !!! Keep making gems out of junk !!!
I love that I found this channel besides watching racing on here I can learn how the engines are prepared to be a beast in these cars!
Thankyou for such an in-depth episode today !
I really appreciate it!
❤ I am so loving this channel…I manage a machine shop here in the Philippines and watching your dad with his experiences really makes me in awe…I hope we can develop more machinist like him as compared to kids here in this days enjoying most of their time with gaming activities instead of learning tips and tricks on this particular skill. Love it really.
Great videos guys.
Very educational and entertaining!
Thank you.
You guys are hilarious! Thank you for showing us how to do these things correctly.
I wish I could have had a job working with my dad and had the relationship still like you two have. Thanks for the education.
I ground crankshafts from 1985 till 2003 for a production engine rebuild shop. We worked 12 hours four days a week our goal was 35 shafts a day. But that was 35 chevys then 35 fords, dodges, etc. They had other crank grinders that cut one shaft at a time. I only did production. Watching y’all brings back a lot of memories.
I can’t get my head around just how time consuming a built like this is! Amazing.
Another great video, with humour too. Very interesting knowledge for those of us that build engines, but do not do the actual machining. Cannot wait for the block assembly.
I can remember doing SBC and ford Stroker crankshafts (400m to Windsor stroker) When doing the rod I was taught to leave 2 tenths on the first plunge and sweep after the second plunge. I don't remember the wheel width as it was over 35 years ago. But in a production setting one extra plunge on 4 journals per crank makes a difference at the end of day count. I love the relaxed pace and attention to detail on performance builds in your shop. Please continue the "Proving of Points" by the cleaning guy format.
I had no idea the work and time it takes for this process. Kudos!
I so happy to see your Shop. I'm in Sacramento and work in a Shop (Valley Ring and Rebore)like yours. We had a Berco crank grinder, Storm Vulcan and others. Your shop takes me back 40+ years. We were a fair size Shop. We had much the same equipment as you. There were 30 + people. We built about 20 short and long blocks a day.
I watched the whole video on the crank grind. All I can say is you are a Master Machinist. Everything was spot on.
The only Dimas we had a Storm polisher.
I glade to see you will pass it on. We as a group are fewer and fewer. The only the machine operator want to do now is " Push the Button".
We call these "machinist " PhD's"( for "Push here Dummy")
Keep teaching, it makes me proud of you and your commitment to the Trade!
Amazing watching an artist at work!
Nice explanation and demo.... that's one of the nicest/cleanest in use crank grinders I have ever seen.... Back when we still ran over the counter GM 350 Steel cranks, I often had to take them to 2.0" small journal rods to fix the stroke and index.... of course I could get them to 3.5" stroke that way as well.😂 I was taught the same thing about polishing and grinding directions.
very informative and enjoyable video. Great job!
Like the detail he put n to telling what needed to b done