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New Netherland I: Who were the Dutch?
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- čas přidán 15. 04. 2020
- In this episode we step away from the Iroquois Confederacy for awhile and begin our exploration of the colony of New Netherland, allies of the Haudenosaunee. We must understand Old Netherland if we are to understand the new, and so this episode attempts to answer all of your questions about the Dutch and describe the Dutch world as it was during their Golden Age.
Judging from the very low view count here on YT on anything to do with the founding of New Amsterdam and the Dutch in America in general, the English did a splendid job on erasing the Dutch from the US history books. New York City would never have become what it is today without the Dutch founding fathers of New Amsterdam. Adriaan van der Donk should have featured on US dollar bills imho.
Many History Pods do not cover the Dutch, Netherland, Franks, French & German connection. Shows how connected people can be. Maps showing land base claims would have helped this presentation. Thanks.
I should have put in maps... the podcast is primarily audio only, for the youtube uploads i put in random collections of related photos, perhaps i should put more thought into them. Probably wont though to be honest, i hate video editing.
@@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 OK - Tons of Info. I love looking at maps during the lecture.
You just named all the ethnicities I inherited from my mom.
@@lindakay9552Recent Gnome Project (Male) was crossed with concepts of Linguistics and some interesting connections were made. We are probably closer than we believe and never know where our roots deeply go into antiquity. Thanks for the comment.
Good stuff. My hometown is Dannemora NY. I think I'm getting closer to what I'm looking for. For history that is. Thanks. .👊
Star Trek references and Dutch history! You da man.
15 minutes in. You're up there with Dan Carlin so far. I'm sure you know who that is. Thank you good sir.
High Praise, I've been smoking a carton a day trying to get that Carlin grit in my voice.
Love this podcast. One minor thing, oregano is native to the Mediterranean haha
It's not Liechtenstein it is Luxembourg they call it now letzleburg! Thanks for you and your work ! Peeter
Marcus beat you to it but I'm sure you can find another error
Charles V grew up in the Netherlands - William the Silent was a member of his court and new Philip and such.
I forgot - the Dutch were actually irritated that Charles, their Duke, would leave to go to Spain. They also didn't like all those Spanish advisers coming in after their other Duke, Charles dad, Philip, died in Spain.
All these Europeans in my blood. Interesting.
Dutch, French, Spanish and German Calvinists, especially those of the more conservative variety moved to Cape of Good Hope. The Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa was extremely conservative, as the Brits took over, the more conservative Boers fled into the interior during the Great Trek. *sigh* Cape Town has a history of being more cosmopolitain, so of the 3 Dutch Reformed Churches, the one situated in Capetown is far more liberal than the other two.
Haudenosaunee... How many ways can i possibly mispronounce this word
Well done! Two constructive remarks. 1. Why not show pictures of maps for example? 2. The Old Frisians largely left Frisia after the demise of the Roman Empire. Nobody knows where they went. Some say Belgium/France, some say Scotland, some say northern England. They were replaced by the current Frisians, they came from southern Denmark and northern Germany. So if you say the Frisian language of the original Frisians influenced English, that is probably incorrect. Probably, because we don't know where they went to nor do we not know what their language sounded like. And you mix up Liechtenstein and Luxembourg. Lastly, the VOC was in its first instance a military undertaking to deprive Spain and Portugal of their resources. To give them room to maneuver, they could declare war themselves and mint coins overseas.
Great podcast, but I've got a few corrections and additions. They are so minor it's more of a testament to your accuracy.
- 14.25 During the statue storm there wasn't actually pillaging. If I remember correctly there were two cases of a protestant who got caught taking some church gold and both were convicted and punished by courts consisting of protestants. Stealing was seen undermining the much more important act of destruction to make a statement, send a message. Also in later civil unrest a lot of furniture and valuable stuff ended up in the canals, but not in people's homes. Maybe here is lesson in there for today's protestors.
- There's still debate when the Dutch Golden Age started and ended, but because of translation from Dutch it has to be a 100 year period. Some say it was about finished in the disaster year 1672 and therefore had to start in the 1570's like Simon Schama does. 1588 could also be a good option since the Dutch invasion of England (the Glorious Revolution) resulting in the constitutional monarchy with religious tolerance and other freedoms like the Dutch had was the start of Great Britain taking over. Some simply take the 17th century, but that's just lazy. 1609 is very late for a start and based on the kind of admitted misconception that war was bad for progress. War and trade were related in a very different way back then. There's quite a dip in the Dutch GDP per capita around the 1570's but in the 1590's it's already something like 4 times that of England.
- The VOC was part of the war effort from it's foundation. Just like the WIC an important part of it's mission was to not have Spain and Portugal make those profits to finance the war against the Dutch Republic.
- The VOC was actually not that big from a Dutch perspective. It captured the imagination and certainly some of it's early dividends did, but it always remained significantly smaller than the Dutch herring trade. Even with the VOC doing most of the inter Asian trade it was dwarfed by the Baltic Sea trade and the North Sea and Mediterranean were much bigger moneymakers too. This was a country where butchers had their house full of paintings, it was very, very rich. It did make Amsterdam into the hub of the global trade where one could buy anything from anywhere, not just spices but also Persian carpets and Japanese art for example.
- The VOC was huge and a stock company because the journeys to Asia were much riskier and longer than those around Europe. The necessity to spread the risk over more ships and shareholders was there. Records of the first shareholders show that there are also maids and bakers buying shares. So there already was a lot of cash going around the middle and lower classes in the 1590's. Stocks were also used for land reclamation projects only a few years later. The tulip crisis ruined a few individuals but had no significant effect on the economy.
- Probably much more important than any other invention was the fluyt and the windpowered sawmill. The fluyt could carry more load with less crew and was cheap to build, while the sawmill allowed the Dutch to build ships faster and cheaper than anybody.
- The WIC got the Dutch into the slavetrade but not rightaway. It was founded by mainly calvinist idealists who saw large overseas agricultural settlements of good christians as the way to fight spain and calvinists were opposed to slavery because we were all god's children. Others were more like let's just rob Spanish and Portuguese ships and if there are slaves on them we just set them free. But the preachers lost out to the merchants (still a metaphore in Dutch foreign policy) in the late 1630's after a Portuguese plantation colony was conquered and couldn't be run without slaves.
Im going to chew on this for a long time thank you
Maps would be really helpful ....
@@katherinedote2324 you're going to like the newer episodes. I put up season 1 before I had any video editing experience, originally this was just an audio podcast. Now I use lots of maps, sometimes a little off period, it's amazing how few maps have survived the ages.
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Nederlanders had Civil Code which has forced heirship built into the laws regarding inheritance. Dutchies and Scots have Roman Law.
I'm literally half Dutch based on my DNA and I still barely understand who the Dutch are. 😂 I'm inside every single circle inside the circle.
One thing after rewatching , i think you mean luxembourgh instead of liechtenstein,
Yep. Good catch 👍
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If you are interested there is a great on going documentary , on the Defragged History channel . about the 80 years war.
As dutchie my self iam still suprised about some details i never heard about .
Only resently i learend that the salian franks have their origin near the river Ysel ,
The old name was the Isala. river . and Salland. what is now the province of overysel .
During the great movement of people they migrated and got permision of the romans to move to the area of the Batavii. and settle .
Its incredible that map and nations of western europe started in that region .
And the spliting in to in to west franconia , lotheringia , and eastern franconia . would become the same areas that turned in to the Benelux , France Italy and germany
The 6 nations that formed the EEC what is now the EU. almost a 1000 years after the frankish empire.
Ja ja Nederlandse spreken een Germanische taal. Ek is lief vir die Nederdutchies.
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