Best Toro EVER?! New 2022 Toro Super Recycler 21565 Unboxing and Initial Review
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- Toro's new 2022 Super Recycler models are now available! This is model 21565 that includes Smartstow, personal pace autodrive, vortex technology, flex handle, updated cast-aluminum deck, high traction wheels, and a 163cc Briggs & Stratton engine.
This is an unboxing and initial cutting review.
0:00 Intro
0:27 Toro Super Recycler Overview
1:34 Unboxing
2:18 Overview of Mower
2:38 Handlebar Setup
3:19 Toro Vortex Technology Overview
3:49 Wheel Redesign
4:14 Setting the Cutting Height
4:32 Briggs & Stratton Engine
4:54 Oil Filter, Oil Reservoir, Gas Tank
5:25 Important Spark Plug Notes
5:49 Mulching Plug and Bagging Door
6:23 Attaching the Grass Bag
6:38 How to Use Toro's Smartstow
7:00 Super Recycler Cutting System
7:24 Flex Handle Overview
8:05 Toro Super Recycler 2022 First Mow
8:31 Grass Cut Quality Quick Look
8:57 First Mow Initial Thoughts and Review
10:06 Wheel Height Adjustment Annoyance
10:34 Uneven Wheels
11:08 Grass Bagging Thoughts
11:42 Final Thoughts
You can purchase this mower here at Home Depot: www.homedepot.com/p/Toro-21-i...
You can view the PDF manual for Super Recycler model 21565 here: manuals.toro.com/203687/index...
I got a 21566 and totally love it, chops grass clipping extremely fine, best I've ever owned.
Glad you like yours! I'm gonna do a long term review here soon!
Just received a 21565 for an early Father's Day present. First Toro and excited to mow. Great video, thank you!
Congratulations on the new mower! Hope you enjoy it! Happy early Father's day to you!
How is it?
Fantastic! I couldn't find any real reviews on this model either so I ordered mine basically blind. I am supposed to get it tomorrow and after this review, I am glad I went with this model.
I hope you enjoy it as much as I do! It's a mulching machine! I'll do some other reviews on it with the discharge chute, changing blades etc.
A quick tip is save the premeasured oil container for future oil changes. Just refill the bottle and your ready to go.
You're a genius!
Love your voice, process, and detailed logical presentation.
Thank you! I really appreciate your feedback! Feel free to share with others!
Just picked a 2022 Super Recycler with the 190cc and elec start from local dealer for 700. Ordered the checkmate striper kit same day. Thing is a powerhouse of a mower. Awesome cut. Only complaint is the cheap skirt flap. But ill repurpose my previous striper flap for this mower. Great video and presentation.
Great overview video! We've been very happy with all our Toro products.
Thank you very much for watching! I test both Honda and Toro and am very happy with my purchase! Glad Toro has worked out for you too!
I had a older toro recycler and I had a problem of having to replace the gears a few time for the self propelled wheels they would skip and make a lot of noise …. Never did anything wrong but after replacing them 3 times in 6 years I decided to junk it and bought a brand new Honda … never been happier with the new Honda I bought
Third set here in a year & a half
Just bought one on 11/17/2023. Not that experience on lawn mowers. I do enjoy this one because I don't want to stop mower my yard. 👍🏼
Glad you are enjoying it! I plan on doing a 1 year review soon!
Toro brought back cast-aluminum decks son!!! If you know you know. great video thanks for sharing.
Nice mower. Looks easier to push & pull around trees/obstacles (off drive mode). Alum deck: nice. I like the guaranteed to start engine, and bag removal looks easy. (I bag almost exclusively, especially in the fall [leaves]). I also like the smart stow feature. Nice looking too. Thank you for making and posting this informative video.
Is there actually a way to just make this thing work as a free rolling push when youre going back and forth under trees and stuff 300 times? I’m not familiar at all with it and expected you’d have to hold down some safety bale and have to use the personal pace handle to keep the blades going anyway. Does it still push hard like you’re driving gearboxes yourself?
@@stirv6462 Hi. If your mower is brand new, hopefully, the drive belt will begin to loosen (length) a little (with use), (& its frictional surfaces change some) to provide a little easier push (in off drive mode). I have the same situation here with obstacles (trees, bushes) requiring manual pushing our mower. (Mine [orig owner] is an old '84 Honda 21", needing replacement, so am looking at these new Toros). I hope that your situation with your new mower improves. (Hopefully, it will). God[Bible] Bless.
@@stirv6462 bungie cord around the safety lever then hold onto the lower lever below the top one if that makes sense
@@stirv6462 So if you're talking about the personal pace and it feeling like the brakes are on when you're trying to pull it backwards. You can adjust the cable by pulling it towards the motor a little bit you have to find tune this thing and once you get it set you'll be good for a little bit. The belt will stretch and you'll have to do it all over again once the belt has stretch to its maximum amount it usually stays pretty good. But still it feels like the brakes are on sometimes It really needs a spring to help release it. But when I asked Toro about it online they told me there was nothing wrong and this is the first time they've heard of it, but there's at least 10 videos out there that complain about it apparently they don't watch CZcams have a good day.
Awesome Video
Thank you very much, I greatly appreciate that!
I just got one on Friday, have used it on for 3 days, I mow yards that have fairly steep banks. And today both back wheels split around the bearings
I ended up returning mine the day after delivery. One of the back wheels was not straight. Something was bent. I was bummed so I ended up buying a HONDA HRX217.
That's really unfortunate. What made you pick the Toro over the Honda in the first place?
Thank you : If you actually use this mower, You will discover how poorly it's made. Our 21565 looks like it was thrown off a truck .. The back axel has sheared off ! .. wheels are bent & split.
Really nice video. This video was the reason I went with the 24565 over the Honda HRX217
Thank you for this review! I recently ordered the Blade Stop model but I couldn’t find any video reviews. I was regretting the Toro Super Recycler and was thinking of going with the Honda but after watching this, you put me at ease. #1 reason I don’t want the Honda HRX is the plastic body. People have accidentally picked up rocks and put holes through the body. Honda wont stand behind their “lifetime” warranty. I’d rather have a solid aluminum body.
You'll have to let me know your thoughts when you get yours. I'm kind of wishing I spent the money for the blade stop
I bought one with the blade stop and the blade stop tensioner broke. I've been without it for a month and a half so I bought a Honda while waiting. I like the Honda better except the personal pace is more comfortable.
@@lawntechtravel The end of the cable for the blade stop is plastic and mine was broken while still in the box. H.D. ordered me a new cable as they could not tell me how long I would have to wait for them to do the repair so they ordered me a cable and am still waiting . I ordered one from Amazon for now and will have a spare when it breaks again as it no doubt will .
I work on them all the time every year they got that new plastic carburetor that gets plugged up so easy but they do have power. And cut pretty good
How long has Toro been using plastic carbs?
@@garybonacci2031 since 1976
No kidding I picked up one of those E series Briggs motors on a curbside throw away deal. Never been taken care of and used oil way too bad for me to resale after I got it running so I was like... What the hell I'll drain the oil and ziptie the engine brake and see how long it would run before blowing up. It ran a whole tank of gas out with 0 oil! I filled it up again and mowed my two dog pens (roughly 1/8 acre) before it locked up. Pretty jam up engines for the price point!
I have the Toro 21386 smart stow black with red Briggs Engine from 2020. It seems to compare very close to this machine from what i can see. I was very disappointed to see that Toro did not use letters or numbers to indicate the height of the cut. If you cut around trees often, the levers can be easily knocked and throw the height off. I’d love to know if anyone experiences difficulties when pulling the mower backwards at times? I have periodically encountered this issue, perhaps the forward drive sticks on the machine. Also worth watching is the gas cap does not secure very well! You would think these engines would have a way to click lock the cap once it is tightened fully. I have experienced my gas cap coming off completely when mowing simply by bumping into a hedge or other low objects. Other then that, I do enjoy my mower. The handles are the same and in my opinion the best on the market for collapsing and storing the machine away. Enjoy your new mower, thanks for sharing the experience.
I found that the small drive gears that drive the rear wheels if used on 1/4 acre or more need to be disassembled cleaned and re-greased about every 2-3 years for them to release properly so you can go backwards , also having the mower roll a few inches forward after you stop pushing on the drive handle helps the drive gears unlock to go backwards.
@@leekumiega4919 Yes, if you push the mower manually (don't push on the handle you would normally push on), the gears will usually unlock and you can move it backward easily.
Good review. The music takes away from the otherwise good editing.
I agree. The music was just a bit too loud. Thanks for the feedback
Thanks for this video! I literally just bought this mower! Can’t wait to use it! I’m short! Lol! How in the world do you adjust the handle height?
I removed the bumpers under the handle (part of the flex system) & this let it drop down
Thank you! That’s what I though but I couldn’t get it to drop down. I’ll try again with a bit more patience! Lol! I just wanted to get out in the yard & try it out! I bent the crank shaft on my 8 yr old Husqvarna with 190cc Honda engine.😭 I love this mower though! The only things: I wish it was 22”, had a washout port & push button start. But I got a hell of a deal at Tractor Supply for like $225 off, because they marked the price wrong. Kudos to them for honoring it! 😊 Also, first time in 20 yrs with a B&S engine.🤞
Do you have to completely remove your striper whem utilizing the Smart Stow feature?
Great review. I'm kinda in the market for a new mower. Mine is an 18 year old Toro GTS recycler with the 12" wheels. It runs great but I'd like to treat myself after all these years. I put a new carb on it about 4 years go - pug & play. This machine eats left rear wheels. At first a couple wheels cracked. Now the hubs loosen up and blow out. So i'm still replacing the left rear wheel every 3 years or so. I'll sell it as-is with a jury rigged hub.
Keep fixing your old one as many parts were metal instead of plastic like the carburetor the transmission the cam gear and lobes and the blower housing . just got a Toro 2163 to replace my 28 year old Lawnboy Gold series that had a 3 speed transmission still on it's original drive belt (all new mowers just slip the belt to vary the speed which wears them out unless you get the real expensive hydro-static drive). I replaced the wheels and pull cord once and clean and grease the small drive gears so they lock and unlock properly every 3-4 years cutting 1/4 acre. the blower housing just failed from metal fatigue where it bolts to the engine from so many pull starts , except for what I just mentioned it never had any kind of problems. My new one had a broken plastic end on the blade clutch/brake cable while still in the box
No new mower is "a treat", they're all flimsier and less hardy than they were 5, 10 and 20 years ago. I see lots of comments about folks giving up beloved older mower to get the latest n greatest only to be disappointed and wishing they had kept the older mower, warts and all. I am leaning towards buying a new mower, can't decide between Toro or Honda, but I know engine needs to be at least 160cc, those 140/150 cc engines are way underpowered for mulching AND self--propelled.
All that said, I am going to get a replacement engine for my 2011 Toro recycler (still has the mulch/bag lever, big deletion and terrible mulch plug now) and keep it. I loved it but stupidly overfilled the oil last year and it pushed out the intake valve seal and burned oil and went a bit low before I noticed it and wore some grooves in the cylinder. Going to get a 190cc replacement engine, hope it will be nearly as good as the flathead in 2011, but doubtful.
given ALL gas residential mowers will be phased out over next few years (Democrat side forcing massive EPA changes yearly), I wanted to fix up my 2011 Toro AND have a solid new mower. I figure a good gas mower might increase in price over the next few years as we ALL know the battery powered ones still don't come clsoe to matching the gas in performance and those batteries, nutz, cost half as much as a new mower (with a battery included). The operation cost of battery mower will be nearly double that of a gas mower if you try to keep it 10 years, the first 3 or 4 years maybe not, but that first replacement battery immediately jumps the battery powered operational costs way past some oil changes and $10 of gas per mowing season.
Excellent review! Not sure why Toro couldn’t have kept the excellent and very durable wheels from the previous generation (cost cutting?) but seems like a nice machine otherwise.
Thank you very much, I hope you found it helpful. I'm sure they had to cut costs due to covid, but I haven't had any problems with this machine so far. The cut quality is great!
Idk but 2 wheels cost $100. Ouch
Great video. What are the actual cutting heights? I'm confused as it says 1-4 inches, but there don't seem to actually be cutting heights at exactly 2 inches, or exactly 3, it only goes up by fractions
Hi Greg, I have the exact mower and I'm trying to figure out how to remove the engine cover. After I remove the 2 torx screws there is still something under the cover holding it on. Any ideas on how to take it off? Any help would be appreciated.
I purchase a similar mower new @ Home Depot in July of 2022. Use it 2-3 times monthly . Like all of the features on the Toro mower itself, but have a had problems with the Briggs & Stratton engine. Has been in the Toro repair center twice this year. Problem I'm having is after 15 mins of use, the engine stalls out like it is running out of gas. Have to wait 15 mins to cool off to get it restarted. Soon as I get in back this time from the service center, going to sell it and purchase the mower in the video.
Hope your new mower works out. I haven't had any issues with the engine so far on this model. I plan on giving a 1 year update soon. 👍
Toro was on my top list when purchasing my mower, but decided on the Honda GCV 170, starts in the first pull everytime, and comes with the dual blade self propelled system. Great machine.
Yep! I'll go with the Honda every time. The Honda will bag anything!
Good choice briggs makes some nice engines but this isn't one of them
Hey how does that mulch plug come out? Do you just pull it out?
Your review was so good I will keep using my Honda. It is 12 years old and other than oil and air filter changes the only thing that happened was one front wheel came loose and fell off last year. No big deal just put it back on no problem since. Never had a problem with thermowax auto choke actuator yet like many other people but have new one on hand. I have the roto stop blade model and like the Honda self propelled handle way better than personal pace on toro. Will be getting another Honda when time comes. And wheel height settings have no marks on my mower but that's not really that big of deal .
Yeah these mowers are overpriced. If you go briggs either get a timemaster or a snapper. The 8.50 and the 10.0 briggs professional series are pretty nice comparable to the GVX commercial engines a bit less build quality but way more torque and they aren't all plastic like the EX engines like the no oil change / upright storage/ cheap tiny foam filter crap on this one. Honda is nice but sucks they have plastic decks or the lower priced steel are FWD with smaller engines. The briggs really make better power even the cheaper one on the "super" recycler. Hard to get the perfect mower anymore maybe a Toro deck with a honda engine and a snapper self propelled setup. Used to be Toro had all of that when you bought them the old super recyclers are basically commercial units compared to these.
@@zack6892 That Honda "plastic" deck is bullet proof. It's some type of composite and it's indestructible. I've had my HRX 16 years and it gets *extremely* hard use. I even cleared three foot tall weeds and small saplings with rocks and sticks a few times. Steel decks flex and rust, and cast aluminum cracks under stress. Two years ago - at age 14 - the transmission went (partially) and I replaced that myself for $130, and four five years ago I had to replace a nut and bolt on the clip lever. I only use non-ethanol gas and have never had a carburetor issue. My HRX owes me nothing.
@@rla1000 I don't think the plastic is terrible but at 1200$ for the premiere hrx it should be steel or aluminum to be at least somewhat commercial grade. I'm sure the HRX could be a lifetime mower for a homeowner but I've seen the decks get holes punched in them in commercial work which don't total it on the spot but it ruins the structural integrity and will flex until the Crack spread. The newest engine gcv200 also is pretty nice it makes good torque and runs quietly but seems like a step in the wrong direction from the older gcv engines. Overall sure they are among the best mowers at the entry price point of 600-700$ but as you go up they are less and less worth it. You can get a lot more for your money from briggs snapper or timemaster I think but I guess it depends what your looking for. Also I expected the nexlite deck to be lighter it is actually heavier then my steel deck snapper commercial with the gxv160 engine kinda odd. The hrx is a nice all in one mower it mulches and bags well with no extra chutes or attachments but it lacks some quality for the price of the top model.
@@rla1000 just my opinion as somebody who owns a lot of different mowers. Love my hrx but I wouldn't use it daily for heavy work no way. My snapper I'll push into a field full of rocks without hesitation and it will be fine. If it hits something big may stall engine or worst case break sheer pin that holds blade adapter. If somehow it managed to have a hole put in it could be hammered out. If the drive system had issues it can be totally rebuilt under 100$ but very unlikely to need more then a drive wheel. The HRX if locked up could effect blade clutch and belts. If the drive system fails it is almost half the cost of the mower and ONLY on the commercial units does honda make them serviceable you can't even change the hydraulic fluid on the HRX217 they didn't make it accessible like the commercial unit which has the exact same layout. I think it's a great mower just not very well thought out or maybe made to be replaced not fixed. You will see them at small engine shops a lot because the owner sells it instead of buying a Trans. Honda also sells a ton of them so it's normal to see a lot of them at shops but take that for what is worth.
I am looking to replace my 2007 TroyBilt 21" Front drive propelled with a Honda 160cc motor, Still runs great, But the deck is splitting where the left rear wheel mount is, So it is a matter of time before it goes bad. I like this mower with the aluminum deck and the stowaway feature, However, I am very leary of stowing a mower with gas and oil verticality. That kinda goes against everything we learned growing up. I certainly don't need a gas or oil leakage in my nice little workshop. guess I will keep doing more research on mowers before I decide to buy one. But Thanks for this vid, It was good.
The gas and oil are well sealed with the caps closed and don't leak at all.
I have last years model with the toro engine with no issues at all. It is the ones with the red 190cc Briggs engine that had all the issues with the sputtering. I would live to have smart stow but storing it with the handle at 90 degrees is a space saver. I don't know if I would like the new design of the personal pace handle being 6ft tall.
I was hoping to purchase last year's model with a Toro engine or even a Honda engine but the Toro dealers said it'll be quite a while before we see those engines back in stock on their mowers. The Smart Stow is nice but I'll only use that for winter storage. I can guarantee the new person pace handles are not 6ft tall lol
I have a 21564 with 190cc engine and I have hills- will be a good test for sputtering- I hope its going to be ok. I have a 16 year old 190cc engine on my current super recycler that I'm giving my son. I was torn between the 21565 in the video and the 21564- got the latter because of a great deal. Fingers crossed.
Honda still the best mower for me in terms of cut, bagging ability, and mulching. I also like the new poly decks which are essentially indestructible.
I sure hope those Nexite decks stand the test of time, and stones, and curbs, and kids. Glad you like your Honda.
@@lawntechtravel actually right now I have the HRN series with the traditional deck. But I need a new mower to replace an older Toro at my rental. I want to get an HRX for my house and bring the HRN there. I feel confident that the Nexlite decks have a lifetime warranty. Plus I keep my lawn meticulously manicured so I'm never going over sticks or rocks. I however do get lazy and don't like to hose out my decks every time. I mow every 3 days at home and I already have some rust under the metal deck after two years of use on the HRN.
@@Dsaubt You're right, I have the 2022 Toro Super Recycler and the 2022 Honda HRX217. The Honda is noticeably better at cutting and mulching. Still some grass clipping, but overall better grass performance. The one thing I will say about the Toro has over the Honda. It's self propelled system does feel more comfortable and little easier to control. Now that I've made up my mind. I'm probably goes to sell the Toro to my brother in law soon since he needs a new mower.
The only bad thing about Honda is they dont offer a rear attachment discharge r I would say Honda. Being able to sling the grass if there is high grass is a most if that application is needed
@@4x4gear33 I have sort of grown to prefer Honda's smart select system, but personal pace is really good as well.
Great review I just got the 60V Super to use and have the regular recycler which I like. Those annoying things that Toro can easily fix are not being addressed and they could ultimately have the best mower in the market. Not sure why they are being so stubborn about it. Thanks
are u happy witht he 60v super recycler? im deciding between that or the dewalt RWD mower
Hello I havent used it yet I also purchased the Recycler 60v with the mulch/bag lever and I like that so far. Its so quiet and feels so light on its feet. but I had an issue with my grass and now its finally getting some steam. I used a fertilizer and killed it a bit so I had to dethatch it so its not growing yet. I am exited to use the Super Recycler as soon as I do I will let you know. It looks so mean but it doesnt have a on and off switch to turn off the LED's which to me its again a Toro thing that I cant understand why they do things backwards. You can get it without the LED but it was the same price so I thought it would be a good thing but now I cant return it so I am stuck with the LED one.
@@randomrazr the super recycler is a superior mower bar none
I purchased a Toro Super Recycler Last season. Its a nice cut, Suction is Sub par. Doesn't have enough to suck up leaves. Not worth $700 !
I’m looking just not sure about the Briggs motor, no availability right now for the Honda motor. Nice review thanks
My Toro dealers said it'll be a year or so before we start seeing these with Honda and Toro engines again which is disappointing. But so far this Briggs & Stratton has performed very well. No sputtering even when I cut well over the 1/3rd rule.
@@lawntechtravel I ordered it and received the mower in 5 days pretty impressive coming from Dallas Texas to N.J. It’s very nice compared to my 14 year old toro recycler. Haven’t used it yet due to much rain here in the north east mid Atlantic region. Buyers beware I paid $ 699 when I went to Home Depot website again to search for the owners manual etc, the price dropped back to $ 649 Home Depot made good on it but not at first. So I like it even better being fifty bucks cheaper. Thanks again for a thorough review. 👍🏻
@@RodeoRides I got this 2022 new super recycler 190cc for $250. Lucky me
Awesome review, was thinking about purchasing this model myself. But I did want to ask if the handle can be adjusted to different height/ position?
Yes, you can absolutely adjust the handle to different heights. In the video description is the Toro manual for this model and in figure 11 it shows how to adjust the handle height! This thing is a mulching machine! I absolutely love it
@@lawntechtravel oh man thank you so much I think this is my next mower for sure!
?? I saw nothing about handle hight adjustment - so I removed the bumpers & that let it drop down ..
@no-hndle I did the same with the bumpers but I am having issues with the handle moving up in the arrowed slot when pushed because there's nothing stopping it from moving
I enjoyed your review. I use a husqvarna and I noticed your leaves were not being pulled up. Is that because of the mulch system? I had a 163cc toro and it toasted in 3 months. Throttle cable dried up and broke the handle. The idle kept getting lower until it was so low it wouldn’t stay running. And the game changer was no gas valve to shut off the gas to the carb which my husqvarna has.
But I would give toro a chance if I can find a cheap one.
I will say it's biggest flaw is bagging. This is definitely a mulch first machine. Thankfully I only have to bag twice a year but it is pretty annoying doing so
What kind of mower did you have previously to compare it to? I have a 16 year Honda that is about done. I have only had to replace the cord for starting, which lasted until last year 15 years.Pretty amazing, but many items are warn out now. I wish it had more power as it has their smaller engine. I also have fairly large yard. Just now doing research...
I had a hand me down craftsman that did ok until the drive went out. Honestly, I'd look into another Honda but they are discontinuing them after this year. The thing about this mower is it's so light it bounces around a lot making it somewhat hard to steer in a straight line. It's a mulching machine but the bagging is not very good.
Just bought this mower from tractor supply. Setup was fairly easy. I put 15 oz of oil in as per specs. The first initial start up resulted in a second or two of smoke than cleared up. It never smoked again after repeated starts. Did yours happen to blow some smoke on first start?
Yes it did smoke the first time , I suspect that they test the motor and some oil remains behind when they drain it which causes it to be slightly overfilled when you put 15 OZ of oil into it.
The engine is boxed and shipped with a film of oil to prevent rusting
I have been a Toro owner for years. My local Mom and Pop Toro dealer cannot get this model. They are the nicest people and always happy to help. Meanwhile my local Tractor Supply has two of them, still in the box and not even on display... So, Toro isn't sending their small dealers the newest but the big box stores don't even know what the newest is.
You do realize that this could have nothing to do with big-box store vs Mom & Pop shops, right?
I highly doubt Toro is being selective over who gets what mower.
I just bought the '22 Super Recycler with the 190cc B&S at our local dealer and am very pleased with it so far. Thanks for the review! I was considering the Honda HRX vs this one. Personal Pace drive is great.
@@DIYTutorialGuy You must be drinking that Biden koolaid. There is no doubt in my mine Toro is moving towards Mass Merchant store and away from small dealers. We were a smaller Toro dealer since mid 1980's until about a month ago . Our dealership had trouble getting equipment last couple years, but the local Tractor Supply and Home Depot were getting the exact same model we could not. I know of several smaller dealers in our area who are fed up with Toro.
Recently saw a video where a Toro dealer said that some models are made specifically for big box stores.
Are you able to put it in the stow position with the lawn striper? I saw a video for the checkmate striper and that one is able to still use the stow position with it still connected. Thanks!
Yes you can! You just need to remove the roller and it stows perfectly!
Is there a height adjustment on the handle? I heard there were 2 settings. Thanks. I just bought this from Lowes today 04/21/24, started on first pull, ran great, recommend. Wanted the 21564 which has the electric start and slightly bigger engine but Home Depot ( disgrace of a company) after showing 430 in stock on 03/10/24 and saying I would have it by 03/16/24, well its obvious if I bought this one from Lowes on 04/21 that they are full of crap. At the time of my order Toro had them in stock. Home Depot was selling the 21564 for $799, same price that Lowes was selling the 21565. (wish I bought this when Greg did because I paid $150 more.)
I have to say Toro and Honda have the best rear self propel with that said if u r going to get a mower best to get Honda engine less trouble but I have owned a super recycler and the one I had was a beasr
Having a real hard time trying to choose between the 2022 Toro Super Recycler, the 2022 Toro Timemaster, and the 2022 Honda HRX217.
I live in Oklahoma and have Bermuda grass. My yard is 5,316 SF.
I have owned Toro recyclers in the past and am a huge fan, but the reviews on the 2022 super recyclers as well as the lack of a side discharge chute and clean out port have me wary.
My dream mower is a Timemaster, but I think my yard is probably too small.
All of this leads me to the Honda, which has great reviews, I’m just a Toro guy, and don’t really want to make the switch, lol.
I'm going to do a full review soon. This super recycler is a great mower, but you will probably get more for your money with the Honda.
@@lawntechtravel good to know, thanks for the advice!
The timemaster is the best of the 3. Steel deck, briggs professional series 10.0 which makes the briggs on the recycler look like a toy. With all the features offered in the HRX and 25% more torque then honda largest engine. If you don't have to transport it the weight won't be an issue although even the HRX is just about as heavy as a steel deck 21". I would avoid the recycler personally they have a very low quality engine and drive system. If you want a 21" you should maybe even consider snapper they use better briggs engines more power then the honda with steel deck. Snapper use a smaller version of the engine on the timemaster but built pretty much the same. The honda is nice I like mine but I kinda thought my snapper was built better and it was a lot easier to use just no roto stop. Really the timemaster is just better then all of them. Oh yeah no side discharge on the honda the snapper and timemaster both have it. You can actually get the commercial snapper Ninja for the price of this thing that's crazy the Ninja will be the last mower you ever buy.
Why is it that my super recycler lock up when I pull back to readjust? When lawnmower is on?
Hi Greg. I just purchased a new Toro model 21565 like yours today. It will replace my 12 year old model Super Recycler. I will mow with it for the first time sometime early next week. My question for you is about the mulching plug. At 5 minutes & 54 seconds into your video you grab the end of the plug & pull it out. I have pulled & tugged at the plug & tried to get it unclipped from the T slot it fits into, but I'm sure I'll break one of the tabs of or bust the plug if I tug on it any harder. What's the secret to getting it unclipped from the T slot in the mower? TIA!
Great question! The bottom of the plug has a clip that needs to be pushed in toward the blade which will release the plug. Then you should be able to pull it out. Not very obvious to most!
@@lawntechtravel Thanks for the quick reply. I'll check it out tomorrow. I assume you push the center of the plastic clip down. Did you use a screwdriver to push it in. I looked at that, but just tried pushing it with my Texas sized finger & it didn't work. When the plug releases does it stay with the clip or is it a push it down & discard it type of thing? Thanks again.
Do you have to empty the oil and gas before placing it in the smart stow position?
No you do not! That's the great part about this smart stove is you can simply tip it up and clean under the deck without worrying about leaking gas or oil
Got the 21566 in may this yr went to HD got extra performance blade so i alaways have on ready
Glad you're crushing your lawn game!
@greghumlicek3955 your right about the left front wheel I had forgot about that until you brought it up the mulch plug is a little awkward best to take it out once a awhile hard to get out sometimes
Can you push the mower freely when it's off? I noticed that the with the front wheel drive model you would have to tilt it back to make it roll as the front wheels are locked up when off
You can absolutely push it freely when it is off
I'm trying to decide between this model and the recycler. Would you say this model is worth the extra cash compared to the recycler?
Honestly, it depends on what your use cases are. This is an absolute mulching machine but I know others that are extremely pleased with their regular 22" recyclers. I don't bag much and wanted an aluminum deck to be sure it lasts a bit longer.
Wow, really awesome review and video. I think Toro should be giving you a free mower next time for reviews like this! I'm SOLD!
How does the mulch plug come out? mine seems to be stuck or constructed to stay. Thanks
Wheel spin issue set at highest setting affected my new $197.00 self propelled mower I received 4 days ago. A long with other issues I returned. Mowers are expensive junk now.
The similarly priced Honda already sounds like the better machine, and I don't have to restart
every time I have to empty the bag. Hondas will bag anything! Hedge trim before mowing and the Honda gets it all!
Is the blade accelerator standard on all super recycler models? I bought a 21563 and noticed it doesn’t have one.
That is very strange as I thought they were on all super recycler models.
@@lawntechtravel I thought so as well. I talked to the dealer I purchased the mower from and they said brake clutch models do not have them for clearance issues.
I would like to know how to get the blocking system out for mulching where the bag is. I can't seem to get that plastic piece out.
You have to press the bottom tab inward toward the blade. That will release the plug and you can then pull it out.
@@lawntechtravel thanks, Greg! I also didn't notice. You can reach in and grab it from the inside. Just brought it home today. Thank you so much!. Your video was helpful!!
I would assume the potential for oil starvation on steep hills is still an issue since it's a 4 cycle?
It is a 4 cycle but I haven't had any oil starvation issues with this model or on my previous mowers. This is specifically rated for inclines in the specs, but I only have gradual inclines at my property, so I guess the potential could be there.
Splash lubrication mowers like the TimeMaster suffer from that problem.
Decent mower. Looks like it cuts ok and sounds pretty healthy but think I will stick with Honda, Exmark, Stihl and Husqvarna.
Why?
@@lawntechtravel well I know those engines like the back of my hand and are pretty easy to work on . Have ran the heck out of them all and they keep going at the top of their game. I also love the Honda double blade system on all their mowers. I get a bag of half inch pieces of grass. Very clean cutting with lots of power. Oh and the rear wheel drive literally pulls me up hills. When I invest in equipment I'm looking for something I can run the heck out of all day every day and last a long time with proper maintenance like oil changes and greasing the gear boxes, spindles, wheels ect. This equipment has handled all I can put it through and just keeps rocking it as long as it has fuel. I mean outside of torturing it or beating on it. Can't have down time. I can honestly say I enjoy running every peice of equipment that I own. 👍 that mower in the video looks pretty good though and should be absolutely perfect for homeowner use. Maybe a backup mower for a lawn crew as long as it's taken care of. I guess it's just personal preference and different experiences. Didn't mean nothing bad towards it though. Easy to maintain and fix is a big thing with me because I am my own mechanic and welder.
I bought one and first cut was good. I had high grass. I need to remove the mulching plug. what is the secret?
That's a great point! Where the mulching plug "clips" into the little groove at the bottom, push that plastic piece in towards the mower blade. That should loosen it and allow you to then pull it up and out. Took me a minute to figure that out too. Hope that helps!
Nice mower man
Thanks!
You like the new round handle. I like the older version. Your thoughts
I had both styles. The advantage of the round handle is that it actuates forward rather than downward and you can place your hands in various positions. Disadvantage is that it’s slightly bulkier. Overall it’s an improvement
I didn't have a chance to use the old model but this new handle is pretty bulky. However, I find it drives the machine pretty well and haven't had any major issues. Overall I tend to enjoy it!
Just ordered this mower from Home Depot. The description says bag, Mulch and side discharge, you did not mention anything about side discharge which I assume they mean rear discharge, did I make a mistake.
No it s still a side discharge. It attaches where the bag goes and discharges to the left as you walk.
I just purchased the 21563 & have the left front wheel issue & mine exists at various lever settings (with all set at same position). Is there a fix for this you are aware of (as I don't mow at lowest position as typically mow around 2.75" or higher) or wondering if I should return to dealer.
I am not aware of a fix unfortunately. I haven't had many issues with it as it doesn't seem to affect my mowing very much. I would document it with pictures and then mow and see how it feels to you. May end up not being an issue
@@lawntechtravel Thanks for the reply as appreciate it. Called Dealer & said every Super Recycler they've sold has had same issue but no performance issue since grass is uneven so wheel makes contact with lawn fine when mowing.
any performance issues with the stripper kit installed?
It makes it pretty heavy but no real issues with performance. Turning can be a challenge sometimes
I put a 163 Briggs on an old 21" Craftsman push mower and it's on the faster side of slow in thick grass. With propel drive, it would be a dog.
was that a new engine? are you sure it was properly tuned? a 163cc engine should have more than enough power for a 21 inch blade and no wheel drive. that give you at least 4 1/2 horsepower.
I took my 16-year-old Honda HRX in for its annual spring tuneup but unfortunately got it in too late and and everything was backed up and my lawn was getting loooong. So I go to HD to rent. All they had was a Toro. Now I know Toro as a quality company based on its commercial golf course equipment. However, I was shocked at the poor quality of the consumer mower I got. The drive control was flimsy and uncomfortable, a wheel kept falling off - several times, in fact, fell off in my car when I went to return it, the height adjustment kept slipping, the bag was tiny, and a bunch of other things. Maybe because it was a rental but I've rented a million tools and they were at least functional. The mower was clean and looked almost new. On the other hand, maybe because it was a rental it showed realistically what to expect.
But just looking at the wheel height adjustment in this video makes me cringe - cheap sheet metal prongs, thin sheet metal lever that will definitely bend. Shame on Toro. And the mulching/bagging "plug" - gotta be kidding. And Toro wants the same money for this 21565 as a Honda HRX? My HRX is bullet proof - 16 hard years' use over a bumpy back yard, mowing and major leaf pickup/mulching in the fall, half acre lot and the machine gets used at least nine months out of the year from spring cleanup to final leaf pickup. Multiple changes between mulching and bagging, multiple changes in height adjustment depending on season. Today is November 29 and I know I'll mow/leaf pickup one or two more times in December before the snow arrives or after, lol.
This is my dream mower
Any grass build up under the deck,?
It does get quite a bit of build up but it's easy to clean out after a few mows.
Hey Greg do you know if you can get the Toro engine on this model.
Talking with the Toro dealers they said they didn't think we'd be getting a Toro engine for at least a year or so unfortunately
Ok thank you Greg
I bought this one and mowed 3 times now. Everytime I've needed to wash it out and it was completely clogged with clippings. My 15 yo super recycler never did this. The clippings on this new one are tiny so maybe that's why. Unless the grass is as dry as hay I guess I'll have to plan on washing it afterwards?
I have a recycler and have the same issue.
There is a rear attaching grass chute you can buy.
I’ll be picking up one this week and will do a CZcams video on it, so check my channel and see!
I removed the recycling spinner & orange triangle from underneath .. I disconnected one spring from rear door & works for me.
My super recycler bought in 2001 still runs great but it's 190cc
They're definitely downgrading the engines I assume as a cost saving measure.
@@lawntechtravel and EPA regulations, which is why honda is leaving mower business, they don't want to make mowers with kiddie engines. We'll be stuck with crappy battery powered ones. $$$$ batteries that will make gas powered mowers look like misers to operate and those plastic cooling fans where the blades attach under the deck on battery models, better buy a dozen of those, will be broke every year from rock/pebble being tossed around the underside.
@@lawntechtravelthe 190cc engine it’s just 100 dollars less than that model. The model 21462 come with the same engine that’s why I rather save those 300 dollars or going with the 190cc model
I see more and more people mentioning the issue of the wheel not touching on a level surface. I took my front wheels off and tried adjusting, but there's nothing really to adjust. This cannot be correct, has anyone found a solution to this!?
My solution was to move the cutting height down, but that might not work for everyone. It is annoying
As annoying as that is, my 1996 Super Recycler does the exact same thing. It must be some inherent design flaw. That being said, I love my mower despite a couple of weaknesses. It also has electric start and a blade brake clutch which isn't a combination Toro offers on this mower. I'm also pretty sure the new one isn't going to last 26 years.
@@lawntechtravel I just bought the 60 volt version of this mower and noticed that front wheel was off the ground too. I thought maybe there was just some imperfection on my slab but I guess not
can you.leave gas in the tank during smartstow?
Absolutely you can. Now I've only done it with about half a tank but the manual says it's designed to stow upright with gas in the tank and it won't leak.
There is a “lip” that the gas level must stay below or the excess will leak out
Does this mower have a rear discharge attachment unavailable
I meant to say available not unavailable
It does and you can order it at no cost!
Has anyone tried the 21564 red model sold at Home Depot and are there major differences. CZcamsr and subscribers can you provide insight on gas rwd toro? I went to Lowes and got a Craftsman m320 but later found out cut height is 3.75 inch. I noticed nowadays push toros rwd have 4.25 cut height. Getting to the sod I had ST Augustine Floratam sheets installed all throughout. I tried the craftsman once so far and while the quality of build I find great the cut height is definitely not to my liking. I’m also in SWFL Fort Myers area and only have a two garage for storage and we park both cars in by preference. I noticed toros have the folding storage capability and the cut height is higher however Toro uses several engine types on super recycler models. Home Depot reviews have trashed there mowers with engine, wheel, and quality issues. I also noticed right now you have to buy direct through toro because my Home Depot doesn’t offer Honda engine on toro which seems to have better reviews and feed by tradition. They have model number 21564 which is Briggs engine for order from store. However thinking about finding a way to get a Honda equipped version of super recycler 160s-190s cc. Can anyone provide good detailed feed on quality and engines as these mowers are in $700-$850 range and I’d rather not go through the mud on purchase and returns.
The Toro SS (21382) with the Honda GCV 160cc 6.9 lb-ft of torque is last year's model. Not sure if Toro is still making that mower. However, I do have the Toro SS (21564) 190cc with 8.75 ib-ft of torque and the Honda HRX 217 VKA 200cc with 9.4 ib-ft of torque I bought new this year. That Briggs & Stratton engine is very close to the Honda's power. I put both those mowers to the test, and I haven't been able to bog down either one. Many people have complained about the B&S 190 engine having sputtering problems. Since I've had this mower, I haven't experienced that issue at all, and my backyard is very bumpy. So maybe they fixed it.
A word of caution if you do buy 21564 from Home Depot. This mower will come from El Paso TX and if FedEx delivers it, there's a chance of it getting banged up. This happened to me twice, and both times I had to return it back to Home Depot. The same thing happened to another person in the Toro Facebook group. FedEx banged up his new mower. It might be best to see if there's a mom and pop lawn shop that sells that mower in your area if you want to avoid the frustration. That's what I did in the end.
@@4x4gear33 thanks for the reply. It’s so difficult to figure out which is quality. Not only supply holds…I mean shortages (yeah right!! lol) but also quality control. I read through those sputter comments on reviews and said jeez are you kidding me? I mean that could have been related to type of fuel also. I bought that cycle fuel and cut 8k worth of yard on one tank with the craftsman.
How about a good test on some good thick Saint Augustine grass
If I ever get the chance I will but where I live 99% is fescue and KBG
So what it that roller thingy behind the mower? 🤔
That is a lawn striper! It bends the grass blades to reflect light that then shows those "stripes" in the lawn. I highly recommend one!
I have a 2021 and it has been in the shop 3 times now. Wheels lock up when you attempt to back up from a object. EVEN the dealer cannot figure it out and people all over the internet complain about this common issue. I miss my HONDA HRX217
Yep, same. My older Super Recycler had the same issue. The new one also shares the older one's propensity for both throwing the (annoyingly difficult to replace/repair) belt.
I heard there were a lot of issues with the 2020 and 2021 models. I know many that had 2018 and 2019 and said they are amazing units. I haven't had any complains about my belt yet. Everything seems great to me on this 2022 unit.
@@lawntechtravel my old one was like a ‘12 or something, and it definitely had the reversing and belt issues. I was surprised they hadn’t fixed either problem in almost ten years.
I own the black super recycler and the Honda hrx 217 hydro with the plastic deck. The Toro is alright for the price and weighs 10-12 lbs less than the Honda. I like the drive system on the Toro. But I like everything else about the Honda except no oil drain plug. To me the Honda mows the lawn more even.
The mower has to move forward a few inches after the drive is released for the mechanism in the small drive gears to unlock and freewheel to go backwards .
4 year absence and your 1st video has this high quality?
Kind of taught myself a bit! Thanks for the feedback
Works better than you think it will
As the summer went on I became more and more impressed with it. Bagging is it's only real flaw.
Ok looking,but has that same Walmart lower in priced engine. No it's not the spark plug.
That's common for these engines. Positives, upright storage, personal pace drive. Another negative, 4 point wheel adjustment? I have a Husqvarna with one lever that adjusts all wheels at once with a Honda. engine.
why the hell would they remove the side discharge option? Some of us deal with super high grass from time to time and that is the only way to mow it!
They didn’t. You have to register your product on their website then you can get the piece needed for free. They just don’t want them all ending up in landfills because of how many people don’t use them.
This mower isn't meant to be used out doors ... For high grass - remove ALL the recycling BS ... even the belt cover , detach the discharge flap springs ... This will work till the wheel hub breaks, which they already have.
update 2024: The engine is done, something in the valve train broke.
It's my understanding that a lot of companies have gone to rear side discharge chutes to accommodate getting closer to walls and fences
This is the best mower, if only toro made a 30inch.. but the only thing i can say that fucking sucks is the mfer filter wont stay put.. and it dont matter the soze of any hole .. it get suck.. its pisses me off when it does it.. and just a thought ..swivel wheels.. high hp, self propelled not self pace, all wheel drive, with 2 blades. Becazue the time master is str8 garbage ..
Well I have the 2023 model and I can cut in bag 10 in of grass it'll also mulch 8 in of cut . They do sell a shoot that hooks on the back but if you register your product online and then you have to look for it a little bit there is a place for them to send you that new shoot for free. They just want you to register it first.
Dies it come in the 190cc?
Yes it does!
💯💪🏽
This thing is a BEAST!
@@lawntechtravel New sub!
So what mower is that in the background??
That was an old Craftsman that had the auto drive go out. It also didn't have a bag.
That was an old craftsman that had the auto drive system go out. It also didn't have a bag and wasn't cutting very well
Metal or plastic carb?
Plastic , just like the transmission and cam-gear and lobes.
No side discharge capabilities?
It comes with a chute that attaches to the rear bagging door for side discharge. The Honda HRX does rear discharge as well.
@@lawntechtravel Thank you Sir.
Idk to me a Toro should be Toro red. I have the previous model and never use the bag, superior mulching system.
The all black is definitely a different aesthetic but I think it looks pretty cool, but that's subjective. Honestly Tha bag isn't that impressive, but mulching is absolutely stunning.
Any thoughts about new plastic wheels? It’s look cheap
The wheel tread is actually rubber and they seem to be doing well. They don't feel cheap to me and now have ball bearings as well.
Probably cause they are. The older style had bearings also, and the rear ones have grease zerks on the last model design, not to mention better height adjusters that are more beefy. This years model looks like a step down in Quality overall.
@@jasonwb6884 look like he get paid for the review then
@@dattran6886 I don't know about that. I did notice Toro also changed the Transmission from Metal to Plastic. It looks like Toro is really cutting costs on this years Model. I know this mower isn't a Pro line, but this years Super Recycler looks more like a Recycler model with the cost cutting, I guess the new Super Recycler still has a cast Aluminum deck (Not sure if that Vortex gimmick does anything). Why pay more for a new Super Recycler is the question, when the last model design is better.
I still think the hrx217 eats that toro up
Do you a lawn striping video?
I haven't yet but I probably could. There are tons of videos on striping though but I could make one too if you'd like
The lack of a side discharge makes this mower a solid NO for me. Here in SW Florida you WILL be mowing damp/wet grass during rainy season and it will plug any residential walk behind mower.
It does have the option for rear discharge, just like all Honda mowers...
Not a fan of the new wheels (Upgrade, lol). The old style Super Recycler wheels were solid and proven...used for lots of years. I can tell by looking at these wheels that they are cheaper than the old ones and I would bet they won't last nearly as long (planned obsolescence). looks like Toro wants your money on replacing wheels every couple of years.
Should have said "updated" and not upgraded in the video as I can't tell if they are an upgrade or not. These wheels have been on the regular Recycler now for a couple of years, so check with them on how they've lasted.
I have last year's regular Recycler which has the new style wheels but they are not even ball bearing. I replaced them with last years Super Recycler wheels which are ball bearing and have slightly rounded edges which I think makes the machine easier to turn in tall grass when you are going around trees and keeping the front wheels on the ground.
No side discharge?
They do a rear discharge now with an attachment. I'll try to show that in another video but I never side discharge my lawn.
Looks to me that the more your pay, the less you get. Brings a new meaning to less is more. (on their end).
How much was it?
$650 at Home Depot
Almost exactly what I need. No side discharge = useless.
Toro offers the side discharge for free when you register the mower. I got mine today.
Where is it made? We make every effort to buy American made products when ever possible
I'll stick with my 15 year old snapper ninja with 190 cc 8.75 engine.
I have same one only battery mod
How has it been for you? I'd like to try a battery powered mower
@greghumliceklawncare small yard front and back combined little over 2500 sq ft cutting both I have 2 bars left on battery running at max because I have thick fescue lawn was nice this yr just putting battery in and wal la no problems start right up the mower is exactly like yours but it's battery got the side discharge when I registered the mower no charge