What's My Line? - Don Murray & Hope Lange; Martin Gabel [panel] (Mar 30, 1958)
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- MYSTERY GUEST: Husband & wife, Don Murray[film/TV actor] & Hope Lange [film/stage/TV actress]
PANEL: Arlene Francis, Martin Gabel, Dorothy Kilgallen, Bennett Cerf - Zábava
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Sad to note that The first guest jockey Thomas “Tommy” Lee died on Aug. 3, 2016. He stopped riding in 1977 after a serious accident, but had run up an impressive record. In Maryland he went on to become the top rider in the state in 1964 with some 169 victories.
The more I see these wonderful episodes, the more fascinating I find them, everyone is so gracious. The panel are thoughtful, beautifully attired, delightfully spoken, cultured, witty and fun. All ably marshalled by John Charles Daly, enough said, simply brilliant.
There was an episode where Bennett Cerf introduced John saying he was "poly syllabic." He proves that every time he gives one of those convoluted explanations to an answer. And, I, invariably, find myself asking, "What did he say?"
@tinwoods Damn, I screwed up. Thanks for pointing that out.
My third day in and yes, it's official; I'm addicted. I even fell asleep to these playing last night on my tablet. I love to hear the banter, the clever usage of the language which outside a university English department is almost lost, not to mention the visual treat of watching how exquisitely everyone dressed, panelists and contestants alike. Thanks again for this wonderful glimpse back into another time in our culture.
@ Cynthia Lyman - Amen to that. I am hooked too. What a concept, what a show, what a panel, moderator, and contestants. A total class show. Wish they made they like that today.
Do you, ever, find yourself asking, "What did he say," after one of John Daly's convoluted explanations of an answer? I do, all the time and I hope I'm not alone. I, also, find myself laughing myself silly after one of those.
Gary Miller I grew up with this show! Loved it then, love it now! I even remember some of the episodes!! TV was much better back then...
I grew up watching WML, along with I've Got a Secret, To Tell the Truth, GE College Bowl, Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, and so many others. Of course, that was over 50 years ago, so these seem brand-new to me again, and I'm watching them now with fresh eyes. A lot of fun and wonderful memories. (We were watching one of the original episodes of TTTT during its original broadcast, and three men all claimed to be Malcolm Forbes. While they were still up on the stage, my grandmother announced that it was the guy in the middle. But then, she worked in the subscription department of Forbes Magazine, and he regularly passed through and talked with the employees.)
I had the good fortune of growing up with _WML._ For a game show to survive 17 years with no appreciable change in format, host, or panelists, says a lot about the concept and also the players. John Daly _insisted_ on maintaining decorum and class while keeping it light and fun, and he and the panelists measured up. If there's anything we've lost in the ensuing 60-70 years it's been the grace, class, and decorum of this program and its participants.
This panel is really smart and the two ladies always look so pretty
Mr. Lee went on to be a jockey for about 20 years, accumulating over 1500 wins, and won the Maryland jockey championship in 1964. Retired in 1977 due to injury, became the Clerk of Scales for Maryland. (Which is basically making sure the weights for horse and jockey are reasonable and also fair.) I lose track of him at that point, but he doesn't seem to be dead.
Mr. Lee died just a few weeks before his 80th birthday, on 3 August, 2016.
Just looking at his size when he came on, I guessed Jockey, and then thought -- nah, too obvious. Maybe one of those page boys in uniform, like the one that cries "Call for Philip Morr-eiiiiiss!"
I don't care if Dorothy and Arlene are wearing sack dresses, gunny sacks, flour sacks, or Saks Fifth Avenue; they're charming whatever they've got on!
Amen to that.
Neil Midkiff - Agreed.
I wouldn't have ever considered Dorothy Kilgallen a "looker," but she and her hairdressers and cosmeticians made the most of what they had to work with.
Good God, Hope Lange was gorgeous. I watched her on tv on The Ghost and Mrs. Muir.
She was. She had such class and refinement.
OMGosh!! That is Ms. Muir. Thanks for that. I read this before I googled her
@@hizgrase I agree! I didn’t know!
"Well, that's what fish conservation is, Dorothy."
Hope Lange... The Ghost and Mrs. Muir. I thought that was a great T.V. show.
Wasn't it Edward Mulhare who played the ghost?
@@cherylschaeffer6268 ye he did and he was also on the panel as a guest panel member
Dorothy is so cute when she giggles.
Watching these videos helps me relax.
I love how the gentlemen stand when a female contestant walks by.
They do so with men, too.
I just looked at the clock and realized I've been watching these reruns for 4+ hours ...
I LUV them, thanks !! 😁👍🏻
K. G. - I know- I've done that myself. It's so soothing to watch these before going to bed. One needs these calming and fun videos in these pathologically stressful times.
I thought Dorothy looked quite good in her dress.
Sack
Martin Gabel is just so cool.. really like that guy's humor
@Lars Rye Jeppesen - I adore Martin. He was talented, funny, a good player, a gentleman, warm, generous, and had a fabulous speaking voice. He was a good fit here.
@@philippapay4352 He was a helluva stage actor and director in his day too. He didn't do too many motion pictures so I never had a chance to view his talent.
@@briane173 you can check out a good Martin Gabel performance in "The Rydecker Case" on Naked City.
He's highly intelligent, and has a wonderful sense of humor combined with impeccable manners. He certainly is a cool guy! 👏👏👏🥰
Like his accent
I loved John Daly's sneaky little "that's a lotta dam steps."
I agree, that was a good Dam joke :)
I'm sure the audiences of 1958 were shocked at first that anyone would say that on TV! This was only five years after I Love Lucy was forbidden to use the word pregnant.
@@sdacj Not shocked. Nore like, HaHa! Good! YES!
Arlene Francis was so cute and hilariously funny with her remarks in this episode...especially "Do you separate the bad fish from the well fish?"
Arlene gets the prize for "Back to your sack!" at 22:24.
Hilda the fish counter was having the time of her life. She was even making John Daly a little giggly. Fun segment.
I grew up near a dam on the Columbia and we loved visiting the fish ladders. It was all so novel to the panel but so normal to me.
@@debbigray1752 You could certainly tell where all the panelists were NOT from, because none of them had a clue about the dams or the fish ladders. I have the good fortune of living near the Columbia Gorge and so I get to feast on the scenery almost everyday. I'm also a geology nerd and I'm afraid these panelists had never seen mountains unless they'd been to the Cascades or the Sierra Nevada. All they knew about "mountains" where they were from were the Adirondacks and the Whites.
She was indeed having a wonderful time, laughing, joking, smiling. Such a joy to watch.
Looking back from 2022, I think the ladies look fantastic in those chemise outfits.
Don and Hope were acting like little kids playing this game. It was so endearing to watch them together.
It's was a shame she left him for Glen Ford.
I heart Martin : ) His twirl in the introductions was simply adorable. And Dorothy! My, she looked so confident and sassy when she walked out there with her chin right up. I'm getting to like her more and more, although very sadly I think some of the fun aspects of her personality are shining through perhaps due to her growing reliance on alcohol.
At any rate the sack dress is indeed an odd look but I suppose it did provide a bit of relief from those oft-mentioned corsets and girdles. If good ol' Bennett had to wear mostly wiggle dresses and all the accompanying pieces of "apparatus" I'd bet he would gladly slip into a formal chemise! And what a picture THAT would be...
Jenny Brown
Martin Gabel wasn't tall dark and handsome, but I think he must have been a very good husband. Arlene was always happy looking and they joked together.
Jenny Brown - Why do people keep bringing up alcohol with Dorothy? If she did overindulge her panel skills would be really hampered. She is obviously astute in the performance of her duties here.
Baskerville Bee - Smart women don't necessarily use looks as the major criterion when choosing a husband.
I don't believe that Dorothy had any problem with any substance. Where do these rumors start?
@@shirleyrombough8173 …because she was found dead in her bathtub, and her official cause of death was listed as “acute ethanol and barbiturate intoxication, circumstances undetermined” - from medical examiner's statement.
Don Murray and Hope Lange looked great together.
They did not last long as a married couple. She married again in 1963 and 1986. He married once more in 1962.
@@araymond1able and 59 years later he’s still married. But Don and Hope were a beautiful couple.
"SALMON AND SHUSTER !" Hahahahahaha . . . . I really laughed at that one !
Salmon and Schuster. How did I miss that?
@@shirleyrombough8173 Cerf used that clue when playing PASSWORD and wanted the contestant to identify the word "shyster"
Don Murray was at his best in "Bus Stop" with Marilyn Monroe.
I'd go for Advise and Consent. Don Murray is still with us.
@@murrayaronson3753 he is. He turned 92 on July 31st. He still looks great. You should see a film from 1975 he did called Deadly Hero. You can find it on CZcams.
@@dzanier Yes, he is. And he's just made a new movie, at age 92, unfortunately, a none too distinguished picture, but still. However, his and Monroe's performances in Bus Stop were just tremendous. He has had a wide-ranging career. Unfortunately, the marriage to Lange lasted only six years, but he has been married to his second wife for nearly 60. Bravo to both of them.
@@gnirolnamlerf593 yes I saw that’s it’s not very good at all. I really like him as a person and as an actor.
Sooo cute!! Love the beginning!!! Wish it was in color. Love to see the dresses.
One of my favorite shows! Those dresses are pretty snappy!
Hope Lange was a national treasure..unpretentiously stunning and incomparably vivacious.
Cute Arlene & Martin moments alert:
Cute moment #1: Martin's twirl upon entrance. (1:20)
Cute moment #2: The wordless communication between husband and wife: Martin merely needs to nod and Arlene knows it has something to do with horse racing. Because of that, the first challenger's occupation is quickly guessed. (5:29)
Cute moment #3: Arlene saying that the first challenger could probably run faster than her horse, Cuthbert. (6:13)
Cute moment #4: Arlene quipping that the second challenger teaches fish how to swim. (14:37)
Lois Simmons
Cuthbert? Oh dear! My hearing! I thought she said "Cut Purse."
@@baskervillebee6097
Mr/Mzz Bee! "Cut purse" haaaa!
@@baskervillebee6097 I also heard, “Cutpurse”, which makes a lot of sense considering the literary backgrounds of Martin & Arlene.
Anyone else notice how diverse their contestants were, long before it became fashionable?
I heard a local radio announcer mention that Don Murray turned 93, just a few days ago. And just today, I heard it said that it was sixty years (to the day) Marilyn Monroe passed on in 1962. Mr. Murray must be among the very last of Marilyn's co-stars ("Bus Stop") still with us. A very fine actor - good for him!
I love it when the mystery guests have recently won or were nominated for Academy Awards like Don Murray, Hope Lange, Myoshi Umeki etc
Arlene Francis had the most beautiful shoulders. Even on Match Game appearances in the mid-70s, she wore dresses that displayed them well. Can't say much for the bubble dress, though!
Arlene looks much too good for Gabel.
@@kenretherford1197
Hey Ken! Yes, Arlene is beautiful. (I'm no slouch myself :)) and Martin Gabel's attraction is his great energy, humour, dimples and that wonderful voice! So he can park his slippers under my bed anytime...
What a great show! Those dresses!
Great line:"Back to your sack!"
I remember Don Murray in "Knot's Landing". He is still alive and kicking in his 90s.
July 31, 2019 DonMurray is still alive on his birthday .
“Back in your sack”!!
I had to watch this one twice too many funny moments
Thank you so much, for posting What's My Line, far too young to have watched it as a kid, bet my parents loved it.Classy with a capital C..well done.
This episode's women's fashions are featured at Sacks Fifth Avenue!
Sack's 5th Avenue?
@@shirleyrombough8173 A take off on Saks Fifth Avenue because Arlene and Dorothy are wearing sack dresses.
When I go up, I want to count fish for a living! LOL Love this episode. : )
Where ya going ?
How cute was Martin's pirouette.
Ms Francis and Ms. Kilgallen did a models thrull at their introductions at the beginning ! I guess that is what models did a lot at those 1958 fashion shows .
Funny into with the SACKS on. I like Martin's twirl.
Loved my fellow Oregonian the fish counter, she was having a blast. Thought the Don and Hope section was a little awkward. But it was fun to see John having so much fun.
Dorothy and Arlene are wearing updated copies of the dresses that Lucy and Ethel wore in I Love Lucy two years earlier. The episode where the girls want Paris gowns and the boys have them made out of potato sacks.
thank YOU! What fun!
A Portland (OR) connection on this episode. In addition to the fish counter (2nd challenger), Miss Lange attended Reed College which is located in that city.
Lois Simmons - Reed College, one of the best liberal arts colleges in the US.
@@shirleyrombough8173 One of my best friends in grades 3-12 went there.
Just wanted to say thank you for posting these. I've become hopelessly addicted. lol Like others here, I enjoy the 'glimpse' back in time. I'm fairly well versed in history and such, but this sort of gives us a 'live' view that the old movies and such can't. This was before my time as well.
I'm quite well versed in old movies and such - but I don't reconize *MOST* of the mystery guests featured on this show. So its an education as well. I also love the way they play with the English language. :)
And, frankly, in this episode. .I SERIOUSLY have to agree with Bennett about those dresses. *coughs* I thought he was complaining - in earlier episodes - about the changing fashion. . .women wearing pants or some such thing. But when Dorothy and Arlene came out wearing. . .*coughs* I think his complaints are quite legit. lol
Elentarien It's a highly addictive show, all right. :) Thanks for the comment-- glad you're enjoying the shows.
Something I hadn't noted, or at least remembered, from previous viewings: this episode is a bit off-kilter. I don't mean the goofiness of much of the banter, which is notable and enjoyable. What I mean is technical: the kinescope camera was not properly aimed at the studio video monitor. The film frame shows the lower edge of the video image, and it's not level! There's a tapering black bar at the bottom of the film frame, which is the dark part of the face of the picture tube of the monitor that's not being "lit" by the electron gun. The kind of CRT used in this process had a round, flat face (shaped like an Erlenmeyer flask in chemistry, turned on its side) and the image was scanned onto a rectangle entirely within the circle (usually), with no frame as would be present in a home TV set. I say usually because sometimes these kinescope images have dark corners, indicating that the video image was a big enough rectangle that the corners didn't fit within the round face of the CRT. But since viewers at the time were watching on sets with rounded glass CRT screens too, they didn't see those dark corners. Today we watch on computer monitors or flat screen TV sets with full rectangle images and can see these artifacts of mid-century technology. I wonder if today's youth wonders why printed TV listings still sometimes use those channel-number symbols with a white numeral in a black rectangle with rounded left and right edges? Those were designed when TV screens were shaped like that.
Two Great souls and Beloved Actors!
"Do you separate the sick fish from the well wish?"
lmaoo. No wonder Mr. Daly laughed so hard.
One of the best episodes!
Don Murray is STILL ALIVE! As of 2/20/2020 he is 90 years old.
Been binging for two weeks. What gracious nice people. Fall asleep with them every night. Although I like them all, Bennet Cerf is my favorite. In love with Arlene.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who does 😂
I, too, fall asleep with them every night and watch them over and over. I learn so much and get a real kick out of their clever dialogue and word play. Also how they pick up clues along the way. The comments also are packed full of great info and sentiment 🙂
I guess we love these people ? You can't replace them.
What a job, counting fish!
Building my vocabulary: 'Life gets more parlous every day,' says John at 2:51. Parlous, meaning full of danger or uncertainty; perilous. (I'd seen it used, just never had occasion to need the actual definition.)
I, too, was wondering what he said. Thank you for sharing!
Second contestant nearly as giggly and as fun as that Norwegian lady barber from Boston. Fun and educational as well. I've seen The Dalles Dam and I would not want to be a fish navigating the steps. I would like to think the fish know!
The fish-counter guest episode was one of the best ... !
Bennett: "I rest my case." THEN SIT DOWN, BENNETT! LOL.
Hope Lange was terrific in that great so-called women picture;THE BEST OF EVERYTHING. She is even more cute here than she was in that movie. She died rather young darn it.
She was 70. Too young.
So those are the dresses Bennett's been harping on about for the last few weeks? I actually don't think they're that bad. Dorothy looked really good.
I'm glad they wore them so I have a visual reference. Alene's isn't quite as sack-like as Dorothy's. I think it's a bold fashion choice. Interesting is nothing else.
What was he harping on before? I've been watching these in order and I don't recall Bennett saying anything about potential dresses the girls would be wearing.
Merrida100 Bennett said he didn’t like sack dresses because they concealed the fact that the wearer was a woman. He was hinting that the female figure is hidden in the sack and he was right. He just phrased it delicately.
Dorothy's looked great, and fit her personality, however, snarky Arlene's looked ridiculous.
@@brkitdwn Hi Mr. Glitch, I also liked Dorothy's Sack Dress (I remember wearing them long ago!) But - why "snarky" Arlene?
Thank you so much for this game show featuring one of my favorites Hope Lange and her husband Don Murray whom I liked in a lot of films and television shows. 😃
Don Murray-Best Supporting Actor Oscar Nomination for BUS STOP in 1957, Hope Lange for Best Supporting Actress Nomination for PEYTON PLACE in 1958 that year.
You can't beat those dress designs.
For what? Using too much fabric to hide the splendid figures of these women? Arlene's at least displayed her lovely shoulders on camera, but the overdone cape drew attention away from her fine posture when seen full-length. Dorothy's dress would be cute as a maternity outfit for a woman expecting triplets; it doesn't do a thing for her.
Extremely handsome Don Murray is still alive(93)!
I kinda like Dorothy's dress. She pulled it off. Arlenes's would have been ok without the superman cape and stiff material.
Technically YES, the fish she counts ARE "domestic." But they are not "domesticated." So she was right and they scored this wrong.
Don Murray is still with us.
Beautiful couple
Interesting that Martin Gabel plugs Irwin Shaw during the mystery guest sequence. In 1963, Gabel starred in "Children at their Games" a play written by Shaw that flopped mightily.
Hope Lange is so beautiful here. They would be divorced only three years from then. Don Murray is still alive.🤓
I'm surprised Bennett didn't ask the first contestant if he ran a laundry or restaurant. LOL. Good 'ol Mr. Cerf.
What a great looking couple!
"As a picturesque description of its mode of locomotion that would not be untoward." Whoa! 🤭
Love this program!
Adore these people. Sad they are all long gone.
R.I.P & LONG LIVE DON MURRAY 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Totally addicted to this show.
I think I have been trimmed this before but Dorothy must have been the cutest baby ever
"Trimmed"?
Bennett, founder of Random House, makes a quip about a competitor, Simon &Schuster, calling them Salmon & Shuster. Now, 60+ years later, Random House is acquiring Simon & Schuster, made possible by relaxed anti-trust regulation
Don Murray was an best supporting oscar nominee for BUS STOP (1956) & Hope Lange was an best supporting actress oscar nominee for PEYTON PLACE (1957)-The 1958 oscars that year. :)
I never knew Hope Lange was a southpaw!
I noticed too but had Noticed in some episodes of the ghost and Mrs. Muir as well
Love Arlene and Dorothy
Back to your sack! 22:24 Lolololol gotta love Arlene.
John Daly was great & put up with alot, from the panel 😱😱😱
A chemise is an undergarment used by women during the late 18th and early 19th century, under their full length dress. I guess it became a dress in the 1950 .
While the garments are different,the word 'chemise' sounds extremely similar to the Indian word "kameez" which was in use since few centuries before the 18th.
What a delightful episode!
AS of this writing, Don Murray is still with us.
So Martin does the pirouette himself. Bravo!
I loved it.
many of the women contestants wear beautiful necklaces on this program
The fish counter seemed to have a great time.
Bennett DID say Salmon and Schuster. I just love this program. I couldn't imagine that any celebrity these days would be as witty, debonair and well-spoken as the panel and guests on this program.
I guess these dresses were so mocked back then but I think they look beautiful lol
Love these people…so witty and personable
Don Murray a treat to the eye
Just so funny that they (the women) were so inspirational in their fashion 🥰
One fish two fish red fish blue fish 😂❤
Those dresses were beautiful
Don Murray and Hope Lange look so in love here. Sad that they divorced in 1961.
RIP Don Murray...
John Daly... That's a lot of dam(n) steps....🤣 hilarious!!!