Analyzing the New York Giants' draft predicament at No. 6 | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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- Daniel Jones is unconcerned about the Giants drafting a QB at No. 6 overall, which leads Mike Florio and Chris Simms to weigh drafting a QB versus landing a difference maker. #NBCSports #ProFootballTalk #DanielJones
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My god.. I finally figured it out. The background music when they use graphics. It’s “My Best Theory” by Jimmy Eat World 😂😂
Lol the Giants have the 6th overall pick and yall think they are in a predicament?? No they aren’t. When you get the chance to select a player like Malik Nabers it’s a once in a career type of thing. Like a Randy Moss or a Megatron or a Jamar Chase or a Justin Jefferson.
Problem is, he's going 5th to LAC.
Pump your brakes. You're crowning him before he's taken a single snap against professionals.
Yea except drafting a QB top 10 comes down from the owner. If Mara wants a new guy they will draft a QB.
I think the giants need to follow Chicago who built their team up before going back to the Qb well in the draft. Use those high pics to build their skill positions or OL and then see how it goes.
Because Chicago made a trade that ended up netting them the future number one overall pick, which will probably never happen again in our lifetimes.
Theyd have had a better chance of doing that if they traded barkley last year instead of letting him walk. Someone might have overpaid for him. Outside that the giants dont have the resources to do what the bears did by fleecing Carolina. Id trade back in first round for more picks and grab pennix later on to sit a year
No team needs to be like the Bears
the giants are a receiver and oline away from competing
@ishabelv no, youre not. You need those things and a lot more
If Daniel Jones didn't get paid id feel bad for him. People tear him down so much. He didn't ask to be picked 6th overall lol.
Buuut he got paid
i agree but guy has no offensive help,no line and what 3 coaches and 3 offensive coordinators in his young career
He stinks, but your right it's not his fault. Blame Mara 100%
Trade back with Broncos for an extra first next year. There will still be good WR by pick 12
lol you gotta sign up the premium version and sign up for monetization
Why would the NY Football GIANTS draft a QB? They just Signed QB Drew Lock.
You’re joking. Lol
Drew lock does solve all there qb problems. 💯
He's not a long term solution
Ahhhh yes. The next Patrick Mahomes aka Drew Lock.
😂😂😂
Costanza quote was spot on and hilarious!
"it's not a lie if you believe it" George Costanza.
I thought Kramer said that
I totally agree with Simms…. Fans need to understand that they are a young team and need talent in a number of areas…. Get the best player available….Naders Or Harrison…
He’s not a good player why are we debating over keeping this guy. Draft a QB seriously.
not at 6
His eyes are SO wide open, but yet he cannot identify an open downfield route in under 3 seconds.
You know, like the elite QB's in the NFL can.
lol I was having Joey Harrington flashbacks! 'Deer in the headlights'.
Adam Gase with more hair.
He has the worst offensive line in THE WHOLE LEAGUE! Get real
Seriously! Dude looks like he’s rolling off the good ones.
Unless the first few teams in front of the Giants are having a FENTANYL laced party prior to their selections, and decide to make some wild choices… just take the best player available NY it’s not that complicated. Chances are you’ll be trash again and can choice your qb in next years draft class
I laugh at the Giants fans who claim that Daniel Jones has gotten no help. Like folks, any other organization he woulda been drafted on the second or third round and probably be a career backup somewhere on a contract in the high seven figures.
Ok, Ace, how many head coaches, offensive coordinators? Barkley was his only offensive weapon and a horrible offensive line! You are definitely not a Giants fan! Stick to commenting on the team you root for!
@@t-bone2019 You're proving my point, three coaching staffs, countless combinations of receivers and olineman and it's still not working consistently, there is a common denominator and that's Daniel Jones.
@@t-bone2019I'm a Giants fan. Daniel Jones stinks.
@@acegarcia3719 You're point being, good head coach? Good offensive lineman? A wr that could stretch the field? Fill in the blanks? Saquon and Thomas, that is it!
@@t-bone2019 Golden Tate, Kenny Golladay, and Darren Waller all got worse when they played with Daniel Jones, Evan Engram and Kadrius Toney all got better when they left Daniel Jones, even his favorite target Darius Slayton was more productive at the end of the season with Tyrod Taylor at Quarterback. You're really going to tell me that MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze is going to fix everything, all evidence points to Daniel Jones not taking advantage of them.
Florio not understanding how Twitter engagement works and then asking for a check is hilarious 😂
Florio is guilty of everything he accuses others of doing.
I want Joe Alt shoring up that line for the next 15 years, but that's just me.
"Giants type moves" have really worked out well for them the last decade.
Florio went off on Elon at the end lol
All I have to say about the people doing draft rating and overhyping is Josh Rosen. How long did they have him as #1 and then a drastic decline came closer to the draft? This years #1 is not Pat Mahomes, but gets raised due to the comparisons. Pat wasn’t even rated that high when coming out. The look is not always the reality and people aren’t looking close enough.
Giants should trade back and draft wr and o line and pick up an extra 1st next year, being stuck with jones at least for a year, why have no pieces around qb would you draft him into an 85+ sack situation with nobody to throw to
The reciever position is deeper than ever. Stop acting like you can’t address it anywhere but 6.
Neighbors isn’t going to be there in the second round
They live next door to eachother?
@@night_wolf6621 I understand. I love Odunze and I’m not opposed to a receiver at 6. But I just don’t like this type of narrative because the other picks matter and are where you build out your team.
An intelligent conversation about the Giants draft position. Thanks. So many places you click on the internet re this issue is dominated by seemingly immature fantasy footballers. Btw Chris - your dad was my favorite player of all time. He did it right. Enjoy the draft gentlemen.
Florio showing signs of becoming a grumpy old man yelling at the stars
Nothing new in the commentary. Surprised at Simms WR rankings
There are 9 teams picking between 3 and 14 (assume the Bears draft a QB) that should draft the 3rd QB taken if they truly believe their guy is a starter and not a Zack Wilson box maybe starter. The Giants are a team whose coach and GMs future probably be better with a 1st contract QB that becomes a starter or ends up being a consistent top half passer with a 90+ rating in 4 years. In 5 years Jones reached the low bar of that type of passer once and was probably 1 big game being normal to not reaching the low bar, he is not worth $30+M let alone $40M, and the injuries.
These pundits are like salmon swimming upstream on the idea of the Giants taking a QB. I've been saying this since the end of the season, the Giants will draft a QB with that sixth pick this year. Daboll and Schoen want their guy, and this might be the last time that they have this opportunity. Two things working against Jones: 1. When the Giants won that playoff game in Minnesota the first thing that Gettleman did was claim Saquan and Jones as his picks 2. Jones injury history and injury clause in his contract. Jones even had a broken clavicle in college. To me it would be draft malpractice not to get a QB in the first round of this draft. I would even suggest drafting two like San Fransico did a few years ago. Draft one in round one and another in round 6. You can get a WR in the second and a DB in the third. Also, just like they did for Josh Allen in Buffalo, bring in a proven WR 1 in free agency next year when Jones money is off the books. If they can let Barkley go to a rival for nothing, they damn sure can let Jones go and start their era. In a losing season last year, Daboll proved a lot to me about getting that team to six wins and if it wasn't for bad special teams play it could have easily been 8 wins. The Buffalo and Jets game came to mind. I believe that the Giants already have a trade in place before the draft.
If you’re a chess or poker thinking type person then you make them think you’re doing something your not. Never show your hand or strategies, and bluff others into mistakes.
Best scenario for the Jets in NY backpage tabloids is the Giants drafting a QB.
They were okay making fun of Tom Brady's appearance at press conferences when he was getting a divorce.
No way the Giants trade up for a QB as a couple draft mocks have suggested... Read today's Athletic article about draft value. Trading up produces busts a LOT... while trading down gives 150% value...unless you draft historically poorly (uhh.. like the Jets?). Either take the stud WR at #6 to start the process of getting more impact players... or better yet, trade down #11-13 to the team that wants a QB to get those 3+ extra high picks. So many holes in their roster they HAVE to get more picks...
Giants have drafted very poorly outside of RDS 1 & 2, where they've been mediocre, for at least a decade.
That's why they're picking 6.
No one in the podcast world has nice things to say about you and your sidekick
Giants need to draft one of the top Offensive Tackles.
Why?
The best player on the Giants is the left tackle Andrew Thomas who is arguably top 5 at his position in the NFL. Their right tackle Evan Neal (not very good at the moment) was drafted 7th overall just 2 years ago. I’ll say it again, 7TH OVERALL JUST 2 YEARS AGO. To take an another tackle in the top 10 for the 3rd time in just 6 years is not how you build a winning team. They need a franchise QB.
@@tonymaes88 4th time in 10 yrs too when you factor in flours. Just a gross misuse of assets atp
Simms is a Mara minion. He wont change his opinion on DJ being the guy until Mara does. What a 🤡
Dude LOVED Zach Wilson!! Hahaha 🤡🤡
Or…. Stay with me now…. Sims is friends with Daniel Jones 🤯🤯
@blackfinjrblackfinjr3555 Nothing wrong with that at the time - he wasn't alone on that.
@@blackfinjrblackfinjr3555And Kellen Mond.
@@JustinV96 nah I don't think DJ has any friends. Maybe Mara... But he is probably down on him at this point
Watch drew lock like Geno smith
He got crazy eyes 👀
I just wish if there are trades by Arizona or chargers they say who they wouldve got but got this guy cause our guy was gone
Daniel Jones is in year 3 of Brian Dabolls system. The media want to see the Giants draft a quarterback more than the Giants want to
In agree. That was mean to talk about Daniel’s eyes. Really!!?!
I’m not a Giants fan. If the Giants don’t think he’s the guy, why not get a good player this year or trade back and if they are right, then they’ll have a good draft pick next year as well.
I ain’t even watched this an know what Simms is going to say. Boy Daniel Jones needs to send you something every Christmas boy. You the only one on his side I’m sure in the whole tristate area.
Giants have done EXTENSIVE, more than normal work on the top QBs in this draft.
The Giants are in QB hell with an opportunity to land a good one.
WR is plan B.
You cannot have DJ after next season with his contract. The only out is after next season. Unless he somehow transforms into a top 10 QB there’s no value in keeping him
do u understand how much the too qbs make?
Simms called it
I would trade back to #9 with Chicago (or whatever team) and take Bowers or Odunze, either left, and add value at another position later with the picks I get back, a plan for losing Darren Waller soon.
0:52 Dazed and confused is the motto for Jones, right now.
Audio is annoying
Just lost Barkley, they need multiple play makers. Take Bowers and or best available WR. Trade your 2nd round pick for Brandon Aiyuk, do something!
Bro snorted 3 adderol before the presser 😳
Drew lock is the key if given solid consistent coaching
Throw him overboard with an anchor lol. Everybody rates QBs differently, so they’re not getting the fourth best in their eyes. They have a QB whisper let him work his guy.
Is Florio Bruce Jenners pre op doppelganger?
lol you can get out of the contract next year, this class is LOADED with WRs why can’t they get one in Round 2 and and a first rounder next year? These arguments are ridiculous
Florio is a Karen
At least use terms correctly.
They can't draft a qb in round 1 because it makes themselves look stupid. They just PAID their qb.
his eyes!!!1 WTF!!!!!!
Florio threatening to pull the plug on his X account is laughable. OR is Elon shaking in his boots with fear of losing this gem?
Elon's worried about Tesla stock tanking and having to fire half of his employees he's not so worried about the gossip site at the moment anyway
@@user-jf3zu6ni8l Pretty sure Elon will be just fine. Or are you one of those people praying for his downfall every night before you goto bed, because you're so concerned with the lives of billionaires? Not a very healthy way to live.
Florio looks like pre op Bruce Jenner
Why is it only a bad idea for the Giants to take a qb in the draft when their current qb room is mediocre? You arent winning anything with this current roster and Jones as the qb
Maybe Patriots don't love the QB who's left at #3, and go MHJ.
Maybe Drake Maye falls to #6.
So they shouldn't take 4th qb but they should take 3rd wr? Make it make sense
Less of a drop off between the positions after those tiers.
Jones looks perked out
Chris, I love your show with Mike, but I have to tell you I think the Giants are drafting a quarterback for the simple nature of if you draft a quarterback at reset the timetable on the coach and the GM
Giants and the media can say whatever they want. The Offensive line has been terrible and the wr room is full of wr3. Dont know what Jones is because they have never put anything around him other than a rb who ran behind a bad line as well. GM should have bee. Gone a long time ago. Lack of talent and bad, bad contracts for players that either dont play or play bad.
you can also say the team can’t develop either because of daniel jones
The scouting reports from the 2019 tell us exactly what he is, a likely backup that could maybe start in a pinch.
GM gone a long time ago it’s only his 3rd year
Jones doesn't make anyone better
Do you know what other freakish college athlete that was overhyped in the media due to slack evaluations? For the NBA, Zion Williamson. Hyped to be #1 based off none of the important requirements.
bo nix please , giants may have to trade up tho , because he will be gone by # 38 ,our 2nd pick
Yes he had one of the worst O-Lines and no No. 1 WR, but just watch the games he can´t read defenses (also blitzes), he doesn´t see wide open WR, so even when he had time there is just nothing happen with him. We might not get a good enough replacment at 6, so we shouldn´t pick a QB there, but it´s time to accept DJ ist not the answer and stop making excusses.
Week 1 against dallas. O line was horrendous opening day. Thats all i know.
Two years ago when the team made the playoffs, were you complaining about Jones then? All 3 qb's got hurt because this was the 2nd worst offensive line in the history of the league. Most sacks in a season since 1986. I'm sure you read defenses sitting in your living room. Surround him with some talent.
@@jftube3333 Yes I was. Two years ago there were even more WR open and he didn´t saw them. We only made it to the playoff because of Sequan, the defense and his Running Ability (which is second to only Lamar), but that isn´t enough if you just watch Lamar in the Playoffs, who is obviously a better QB in throwing and reading defenses too.
@@ceezy585 Both can be true.
How come nobody mentions all the drop balls? DJ had 6 picks last year. Four were thru the hands of receivers. Two perfect throws to Barkley & thru his hands, INT. Same with the tight end, Waller. Give him time to throw & he's fine. Close to 70% completion in '22. Draft a wide receiver at 6. There are 3 good ones. Can't miss out on that. If Bo Nix is available later, take a shot with him. This is DJ's last try to make it work.
Still think Daniel couldve been that guy if we got him blocking and receivers . They should've gave contract to Saquon yet he was injured too much so they didn't they gave it to Daniel. Niw we will probably move on from Daniel also unless he goes lights out this year . I say get best WR and get QB later with Michael Penix Jr
If that’s the case anyone could’ve been “the guy”.
Jonas is not the guy he shows it all the time. You paid him shouldn't have. Just admit it draft a QB
Look real close in what he had to deal with since he got here… very little around him…and 4-5 coaches….
If Jones can't play well unless he's surrounded by stars, then he's not a good QB.
They're not drafting a QB. Shoen may be playing a poker hand to trade down, getting a QB-hungry team to overpay.
is malik nabers gonna look like malik nabers with daniel jones playing QB…………….
From a broncos fan drew lock was never given a fair shot and could be great like he was in college under dabol
Take Nabers and draft a qb later.
I hope the Giants trade up for Maye. That would be hilarious.
The Giants have holes at both OG and RT. They have 0 playmakers at any skill position. Any qb they draft is going to fail in this offense as constructed.
The Patriots will either take a QB or trade down… Trading down is almost always the smarat move.
He was def on aderoll or something
Never has he had a number 1 receiver. He has had the 31-32nd RANKED OFFENSIVE LINE THROUGHOUT HIS CARREER. Coaching and coordinator changes....ppl are foolish and always enamored with getting a new toy. So JJ or Drake Maye can take away resources that this team desperately needs? We have multiple holes to fill. Get real. Football starts upfront. ALWAYS HAS!!!
They trade up to 4 and take a QB.
What drugs this dude on. 😂
Jones went to the twilight zone...and came back. It's so frightening when you got a glimpse of the near future as a QB 🤣😂
40m if playing
47m to cut
Idiots totally fooled by Schoen
Waller done!
Brock Bowers is the pick
Giants shud trade down then back up for WR...
QB!!!
Jones has not taken a snap in the 2024/25 season, and he already looks like he has a concussion.....
😭😭😭😳
Don’t be such a demobrat florio, u weren’t talking this way about twitter before it was sold
An I’m a huge fan
The Giants paid Jones without even testing the market because the owner butted in and wanted it. He would’ve signed Eli back also so his QB input is detrimental to the team’s success.
Yeah because another six win season with Jones under center is a sure fire ticket to getting rehired. 😂🤣
Why is it good for the Patriots to pass on a QB and build a TEAM but it’s taboo for the Giants to pass on a QB? RIDICULOUS!!
Pats roster is much worse than the Giants.
That showed when they played each other.
@@MrBruceWolf
👀 How much did it show? The Patriots have a better defense and Oline
People who think the Giants are drafting a Qb don’t have no IQ…. Why would we make the same mistake we made with Jones????? We ain’t drafting no QB the Gm is going to full up the holes and depth of the team and when it’s the right time we will draft one.
Exactly! Get the team to be decent, then at about pick 20 every year, use your pick to draft about the 5th best qb in that draft, who won’t even be able to beat out Daniel Jones. As not-a-Giants fan, I wholeheartedly endorse this strategy 😁
Should they trade back few spots pick up a extra third or fourth round , or trade with the Vikings and get two first round picks select a wr and o line
Continuing with DJ after it was EXTREMELY clear he wasn't the guy back in 2021 is a mistake.
The GM and head coach won’t survive another 6-11 season. They will over draft a QB just save their azz and buy more time.
Florio sounds like an old Dad who is still angry his kids have a cell phone that he doesn't yet know how to operate and spy on them...
Jones’ career can be summed up and described from two plays. When the goal was open in front of him he fell on his face.
Giants trade to 3 to take marv Harrison
Why… Naders is the guy… both are good… We stay at 6…
Why I dislike fans. Always looking for something to gain followers
There is no offensive difference maker when Jones is under center. Just ask Saquon.
Mike clickbait Florio and Sims.lol😂
If you remember last preseason Jones looked really good, especially throwing to Darren, Season started Dallas embarrassed them, and the season was over. Pick 6 = Nabers
Jones sucks.
The Giants are not going quarterback at the 6th Pick, period! They got Daniel locked up for next year at 40 million guaranteed. Listen I don't care what quarterback if they drafted one this year, is going to do any better than Daniel did with that trash O-Line, 85 sacks allowed, embarrassing blow outs, shutouts included. Who's going to succeed in back of that line? Nobody is? Off season aquasistions isn't going to be enough. You need to lock down the O-Line with mean, nasty, big, tough maulers to dominate defenses so when the Giants are getting ready to score a touchdown, the defense of the opposing team has their hands on their hips gasping for air and all tired out. If their pick isn't there at 6, trade back with a desperate quarterback needy team like the Vikings, Denver, Raiders and get draft capital #1 pick in 2025. 😊 Go Giants!!!!!
CHRIS SIMMS IS ON TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN IN EVALUATIONS, SPOT ON! ADVICE TO THE NYG, "KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID! DESPERATE TEAMS DO STUPID THINGS."
Worst OL in football with worst receiver group in football, what do you need then? To draft another QB after you killed Jones last year.
If I’m a top WR I am NOT going to NY to have people tell me I suck all because the QB sucks
what a tool. Marvin is tier two? Safe pick not explosive wr1? chris simms is dumb
Simms is a Giants fan. He's begging for the Chargers to not take Nabers so his team can take him. Keeps throwing this Harbaugh needs a RT narrative, lazy and false. Harbaugh has not drafted a "trench" player in the first 2 rounds ever as a HC. He can develop them or go elsewhere. He needs a WR1 for Herbert in his first year.