AI Is Coming For Photographers Next.
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Mid Journey has completely changed the way we think about AI generated images. But what does this mean when it gets so good that humans artists, photographers and everyone involved are no longer required??
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I find this subject so interesting and polarising, I would love to know your thoughts!
It’s impressive in its capabilities to create, however I also feel it’s got the potential to ruin a large number of content creators source of income. Why pay someone for a piece of art when you can type in what you want and download it for free (or considerably less)
Exactly, time will tell.
In my opinion it Will grow too high but The human art will have its own value 💯💯💯
I watched the PixImperfect run through and was gobsmacked. I of course lack that level of skill, but might even dip a toe in that water if I have a specific requirement. Stuff like Mid Journey is why I now shoot predominantly Analogue though.
Its also an opportunity for us to get good at using and understanding Ai. We cant just imagine those images. So if you get good at creating a certain style of AI images and say Nike likes your style then you going to be set!
For now, artists are able to embed the story behind the image. A photograph of the last polar bear on earth will have much more emotional impact than an approximation
Yet only artist with well established fan bases will benefit from that fact. The rest will suffer greatly
at the rate people are destroying the planet..an approximation might be all we have left.
ive been a photographer for 20 years...
being able to crate sometimes costs so much and sponsorship nor financing is available, as companies always want the cheapest for the best quality. this way .. i can create and utilize my imagination and my brain to prompt.. therefore.. reinventing myself.
ai will filter the real artists from those who 'get by' on luck. that's what i think.
ALSO...ai is allowing ALL of us to make some money vs just those who have the links and connections and get all the attention thanks to their ability to monopolize the industry.
I have a BA in Fine Art with a painting concentration. I spent several years at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago studying printmaking. I spent several years formally studying human anatomy for artists. I've been an art gallery director and have been involved in photography and photography exhibitions for the last twenty years. I also have an MAT in Education and taught art in public schools for many years. I mention this because it establishes that I have a background in the visual arts and not some dilettante.
When I first saw AI images I wasn't at all sure I wanted to go down that rabbit hole, but I tried it. I found that I absolutely loved it. It allowed me to blend all of my past training as a studio art student, all of my knowledge of art history (more useful that you might believe), all of my compositional sense, my understanding of color balance as a painter and a photographer to make interesting and inspirational images.
There are some people who do only type in words and click a button and an image is generated, but 99% of those images are inelegant, out of compositional balance, blandly colored, in need of contrast adjustment and in all other ways amateurish. I'm sure there are many workflows, but the one I use to create a finished image takes hours. It's much slower than post-processing a photograph and frankly much more satisfying for me as an artist. I use the image to image process, which you don't mention, which starts with a photo and uses words to manipulate the image. I blend and composite iterations and retouch and repaint by hand and color balance and add textures and adjust contrast and sharpen. In the end my work is more Photoshop than AI.
My son is a professional commercial artist, and when I asked him about it he said, "It's just another tool like Photoshop is a tool." The shop he works for has rolled it into their workflow. It has made them more creative, more productive. They still hire photographers. Still use models. It hasn't put anyone out of a job any more than Photoshop put people out of a job.
It's always the artist that makes the image. Not the camera, not the software. If this weren't true, then all AI images would look the same, and they don't. Of the artists I know I can tell their distinctive styles. AI is a new tool and requires new skills, but it's still just a tool.
I will NEVER see and accept AI-Users as "artists". Never.
AI-artists
Before long you won't notice the difference SMH
Everything practically already revolves around AI in one way or another music, movies, phone and etc
I feel like we will going to see "AI-free" labels everywhere in the photography scene
I produce fine art photography but I’m also a painter. I’ve tried this out to see how good it is. Nothing good can come of this for artists or any other creator for that matter. When digital came along I embraced it immediately, but I knew that it was going to democratise this medium forever and I knew very early that the barrier to entry would disappear and prices and value for what we do would be driven in a downwards spiral. When the iPhone came out that is when it deskilled is as pros to some extent. By that I mean the masses were now using digital cameras in their phones and so didn’t see the value we once had. This though, Ai will decimate the creative industry in a similar way. Actual creatives will become a very niche market for those customers who remain purists, just as film has made a comeback because of its organic nature, but it will always stay niche. As soon as I saw the sky replacements in PS, Luminar I knew what was coming. This will be a tragedy on a huge scale for the creative industry.
Yes, the will always some who love the real art. But the masses, want the best as cheap as possible. Which is at no cost. And they don't care what hidden "costs" they'll have to pay.
You need to create a konsept, I will try, maybe I succeed one day?
@@heinzhagenbucher4714 When everyone loses their job or sense of meaning is where I can say "fuck em, fuck all". Just like they don't care for others I too careless for anyone in whatever dire straits their in... as a society we failed ourselves and we will suffer for it.
My hope is that people come back around to real art because there is nothing better buying some piece of artwork that was created by a human being. The masses won’t think that way, but really is it them they we want to cater to anyway. I think though that collectors will always want an need authentic artwork. I don’t thin AI will change that. I came from the wedding industry where potential customers could only see a photograph I had taken as just a piece of paper. “Why so expensive for a 10x8 print”, some would say. They were not the customers for me. There were always those who got what I did and were willing to pay for my vision and creativity. That will never change.
@@heinzhagenbucher4714 that said the masses wont want total garbage from Ai either.
Good to see you posting again.
This is technically being used in photography already. Look at the tik tok filters to whiten your teeth, change your eye, hair and even skin color, adjust what you actually look like to the point you are unrecognizable. There are sky replacement tools to give you a beautiful sunset on a blown out mid day photo, focus correcting software, etc. Editing/stacking/composites used to require skills and practice to be good. Now you just click a few buttons.
Probably, for commercial use, photography/illustration are dying if not dead. Cheaper, easier has taken over.
As an art form maybe it becomes more rare and therefor more valuable.
Thank you, it's great to post again! you make a good point and it will likely be a seamless transition to this world.
I think this is going to help film photography where images will be seen as more authentic and organic. Currently Kodak can't keep up with film demand as it seeing an uptick in film sales. I enjoy shooting both film and digital photography.
Glad you made a video about this. I got invited to the discord server by a friend and it blew my mind and simultaneously freaked me out as a creative.
Yeah I agree! I'm fascinated and terrified :)
I am A professional Portrait and Figurative painter that uses photography for almost 20 years. I was a computer art major doing 3-D animation and it was fun. That said nothing ever replaces human emotion and human hands. That AI generated image at the end is very cold and lifeless and it can’t replace anything and that includes the new thing of music being done by robots. It’s sad that humans want to put humans that create out of business to save money. But that’s what business people do now isn’t it? In my opinion there will always be collectors of art and fine art photography, illustration etc that’s authentic art and not something cold and lifeless I don’t care how fast it takes to make it. Thank God I am not in the commercial business. My market is a niche for sure and of fine art oil paintings and drawings. They love human made art and will always want something hands-on not computer generated.
So we are all basically getting a tutorial of how to use this technology through tiktok. It's one of the "effects" or filters. You type in a short sentence and in under 60 seconds you get an image. I don't like it at all. Its creepy. Plus. It takes thw human authenticity out of it. No brush strokes, no photographer's expert eye that takes your request and elevates it like only a real artist can. I don't want a computer generated, generic, version of my needs. I want the real thing.
I'm terrified that one day there will be a fully AI generated TikTok but even more addictive.
@@ItsJonnyKeeley ohh it's only a matter of time until we'll all be plugged into these machines and won't be able to break away. It could be an AI generated tiktok or something that we can't even imagine today. The Matrix is becoming a reality 😳
Perhaps, I would like to offer a different perspective. I thinks Ai will democratise beautiful Aesthetic. At current moment in order to create something beautiful or perhaps appealing to mass. You have to spend alots money to obtain well studies design products that can deliver results. I see more as images rapid prototyping. Maybe it will free up alots creatives to kick start their project by generating some initial visual concept.
I feel we are losing grip on reality. And much like anything else artificial..it will make society sick. Mentally. Porn promotes fake intimacy. Models promote fake images of beauty to young people. Music artists promote fake lifestyle people have died trying to attain. What happens when someone steals your identity and shows up to a video conference as you with AI? How will you prove you're you?
@@vannymwamba You always have that one dude offering a "different perspective". Dude at the end of the day this is NOT good for creatives who are trying to earn a living. No other way to slice it.
Im a little street photography based in Jersey Channel Islands, trying to show the people and life here. I got only a few hundred followers, I really like what I'm doing but other day I came across an Instagram page with thousands of followers with only AI street photography, that person was presenting himself as a photographer, which piss me off so much.
It's a lot worse than art, I'm afraid. I work as a copywriter, and AI is making serious inroads there, too. In my experience, I've never been hired because a client values personal and human expression. Literally ever. I've been hired because a client needs their products to sound great, which leads to more sales, and they don't know how to do that themselves. (If they did, they'd love to not have to hire someone like me.) I'm probably going to be able to do a better job than AI for awhile. The problem, though, is that AI puts just enough capability into the hands of a business that they can easily justify not hiring an expert. Would you pay a lot for the best solution that takes awhile, or pay absolutely nothing for "pretty good and faster"? Everyone's going to go with "pretty good and faster." AI's not hard to figure out, and it's going to get even easier. Businesses are going to do it themselves, get more done, and save a ton of money.
It's not just artists, photographers, illustrators, designers and copywriters, either. This kind of technology will affect lawyers, accountants, financial managers, business analysts, executive assistants, diagnosticians, etc. very, very soon. We'll still have some people in all of these professions, but these professions are all going to shrink. Many, many people are very likely going to be out of work.
I'd love to be wrong about this. I'd love to read this back 5 or 10 years from now and laugh at it. But I very much doubt I will.
Thanks for the insight. I work with copywriters and I hate the idea that AI is going to be churning out copy, it's such a personal think. AI doing it just removes all the human intention behind the ideas.
Just realized this coment was made before chat gpt launched. So RIP to your career. Are you still employed as a copyrighter?
@@millenialmusings8451 Yes. Seems to be that while some companies are indeed cutting corners, others would rather take a middle road and have their professionals use AI rather than use the technology as a replacement. There are indeed a lot of jobs drying up, but most of them are entry-level.
It all boils down to using AI responsibly. Which is a big ask, I know. For example,, college students are using ChatGPT to write their papers for them. But another student I know writes the paper himself, then uploads it to ChatGPT to grade it for him and suggest changes or correct errors. That's the difference between using AI to cheat vs. using it as a tool to improve one's skills.
Hi, I believe in everything you said in your video, but I also believe that we 're in the renaissance of art where US as artist have to reinvent our craft , by moving from a static point to the more creative aspect of our craft, it's hard to explain it but I do believe if we take leap forward by rethinking our project, it can still BE, since the AI is based on our existing data...
Anyway thank you again for your contents that I always enjoy and learn from... cheers mate ✊🏾
Good to see you back on the tube. And a very interesting dilema in how we as photographers can continue to be needed or appreciated for our work.
AI is here to stay. But we somehow need to find a way to exist alongside it
The terifying part is that these AI keeps getting smarter because everyone training it now. And with more data they learn and the computing power which is more powerful each 2 years. Then yes we shoud scared! imagine all the client just ask computer to make an image. This ai capable of making a conceptual image. means making an editorial illustration for any article is piece a cake. Everyone will choose speed rather than art itself. illustrator and microstock will get hit first. I am a designer too and I am scared.
That's the thing, people don't see in the future. In 10 years the machine will be much more powerfull, so that you can get concept's, illustrations, 3D Rendering with a few clicks. We will be completly replaced, the only thing that we still have is traditional painting and I think the value of it will be much higher.
Why? Because I don't believe their will be alot of artist's in the future, young people will lose the motivation for it because of the machine.
The machine is our enemy, not friend.
I make mosaics and wood carvings thank god AI won’t replace those any time soon.
It is only one year passed after I post this comment, and now check Midjourney 6 on its realistically generated photographs.
The AI image you asked about is beautiful and compelling, but it definitely freaks me out how easily these things are created and it’s a sad turn for true art/ists 😕
True meaning human-created, by hand etc.
Eh I was worried as a musician when someone could push a button to create what took me decades to perfect, yet here I am. There's always going to be a desire for human made art of all forms. This WILL create a new wave of Artists but I don't think it's much to worry about. Yes people will use this instead of artists, same as they use samples of an instrument instead of a musician. But nothing will fully replace raw human creativity.
Perhaps I am way off on this tho, as I'm not much of an artist. I do see similarities between the two.
The only piece of AI music was created in 2018 and took as much time as a human did, while providing questionable results. Once AI figures out human speech - music will be overrun.
What your talking about is different. Current music tools are building blocks that require precise artistry to make it sound good. Ai art however is the final product not a building block. Soon ai will do that with music. Someone just hast to make the ai public like these current ai art companies have done.
If human artists and creators band together and support human art, it doesn't have to be that way.
Sorry but not in this world, companies just have one thing in mind
$$$$$$$$$$
Some year ago i saw a robot cameramen that could keep the speaker at a conference always on the center of the screen, even if both of them moved.
It probably was too expensive yet for being produced commercially, but one day i have no doubt that will be real.
AI is in it's infancy, human creativity will be put to the test, but i am optimistic that our livelihood will survive in some way.
Of course, jobs will perhaps made redundant, but others will be created. It has always been like that.
I wonder if one day we will all become the audience for a giant AI creator!
Really good to see your thumbnail pop up in my feed. I really enjoy your take on certain subjects, this one included. Welcome back to CZcams, we missed you.
This scary world you’re describing sounds pretty fantastic. The only scary thing about all this is how human artists will compete and earn a living in this new world. I think you’re right that it is inevitable. The world has already changed and now we need to adapt to that change or get left behind. How should human artists adapt? I’d love to hear your advice for human artists concerned about losing their source of income.
The times make me glad that I'm an amateur photographer. No AI can take the fun of photography away from me. I enjoy being in the field hunting for an image. I enjoy making decisions myself when post-processing. I enjoy sharing my images with friends and family. AI cannot take any of that away from me. But, I feel sorry for all the people making a living from photography.
I see it as let the businesses have this technology. We as artists are now free to be artists in its purest sense. There is value in human generated work whether it be craftsmanship or ingenuity. I just see this as a crossroads, free not dead.
You must not be a working artist. What you said is stupid.
Yeah *uck the industry, I will also start to move now more towards traditional painting. And this will be the last thing that we will have, it really is the second renaissance. The machine want's war it can have it.
I can understand the commercial application for this, but as a creator I am disgusted at this being called "Art" when it's based on art and images already created by others. READ THE TERMS OF SERVICE. What will be interesting is when a piece of Mid Journey generated "art" is similar enough to another artists' original piece that Mid Journey "borrowed" from, that a huge, successful lawsuit ends in favor of the original creator. It may be a good time to review the terms of service for all your social media accounts to see if in fact apps like IG and FB or even Unsplash, 500px are allowing Mid Journey to borrow imagery from them. I'm getting pretty close to deleting all my social accounts. But at this point it may be too late.
@Mark Zelinski Photography Interesting point of reflection, yes the apps should evaluate it ... because actually privacy and copyright go a bit 'to end up under the door
These programs even have several watermarks mixed into them. That’s proof that tenta re feeding copyrighted content without the author’s consent. I DO humanity as whole, back up common DECENCY for once
I'm a digital artist and I do use midjourney myself. I am scared and freaked out by alot by its potential but at the same time I do realize people value efficiency. I for one don't post images made by midjourney but I do use them as an inspiration of an idea or whenever I get art blocks. Also I feel (I hope I'm right) it can't replace artists or photographers as it needs information to be fed to it so it can improve itself. I do however think it'll hurt alot of individuals nonetheless as history has shown us.
I'm pretty sure your wrong on that my dude. It only needs new info in order understand new ideas that humans created on their on but the ting is humans also need new information in order to create "new" art or ideas. Humans for example cant think of new colors that haven't existed before because we too need fed novel information to build upon in order to create variations of that information (like the mixing of colors). So really the only difference between humans and ai is that ai can intake that new information WAY faster then a human can. So it will replace everyone and we cant really do anything about but advocate for ubi to allow us to continue doing what we love without it affecting our livelihoods.
If you want to understand what is going on then just realize that every new tech development, from 3D printing, self-driving cars, AI art to something as simple as ICU robots is about taking away physical labour. Removing the human body but keeping the mind. That's it.
The artist is a part of the creation. Without an artist the work lacks emotions
There's hope , Picture this, an F5 twister hits Nashville, a photographer captures it. He has a recording of reality in his hands. The computers generate a fake reality. Also holds true in still pictures. Sometimes you can't replace what really was with an imagined, dreamed up scenario. Lets not get to doom and gloom here. A computer generated rembrant of the Mona-Lisa will never bring in the 30 million the original can.
Also marriage photography
There will never ever be a substitution for taking a photograph that is historically accurate of the time in the place, no computer can replace that!
Upscaling old photos is where this tech that AI generators use begun. People have been moved by AI without even knowing it.
I feel that, within 20 years, it'll be so hard to know what we can trust on any kind of screen that there might be a rise out local outdoor activity - people simply wanting to see things with their own eyes. I wonder if a change in how we enjoy pictures will tap into that, with more interest in simple and authentic-feeling snaps. Although that still doesn't bode well for photographers.
That's already here.
@@Mark-vx5xm Outdoor activity is rising as a result of people not wanting to look at their screens already? Can you send me some stats if you have them, as that's not what I thought was the case.
@@mikefoster6018 Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear with my statement, I was referring to not be able to trust what's on the screen, meaning it's already hard to decipher what's real and what's not, only to get worse. I didn't read your statement thoroughly, again, my apologies.
Forget graphic art and photography. Today, May 29, 2023, people are already creating entire movie trailers with text prompts. Full movies are coming soon, too. Including script, camera, lighting, acting - all of it, generated.
Personally, computer generated "art" gives me the creeps. But society has already been conditioned to it by numerous (extremely ugly) computer-generated animation films, Instagram and TikTok filters, and so on. For the past decade we've been bombarded by ever-increasing amounts of uninspired, unoriginal "content" that reflects various silly trends. But if marketing says it's art, that doesn't actually make it art. Now we go one step further, to the point where AI starts simply regurgitating the existing content, spewing "new" stuff that's actually not new at all. But the public eats it up, the companies are happy, so (almost) everyone is satisfied.
I think that art created by indie filmmakers, photographers, painters, musicians, writers etc. will become like gourmet food. Only the most talented and most dedicated ones will be able to make a living from it, but their work will be highly valued and expensive. Everyone else will have to find something else to do for work.
I think you're correct in all your points. Actors and writers in the film industry already see it coming. It's going to happen to the music industry and the audience won't even notice it.
Even for personal photography (portraits, weddings and such) people have become so enamored of artificial online identities that many will be happy with AI images of their lives: Pictured in places they've never been, looking in ways they've never looked, doing things they never did. They'll create their wedding in Cancun even though it was at a Topeka justice of the peace, and be thrilled with it.
It will always be about the final image, commercial artists and photographers will feel the hit but true artists will always be valued.
This is EXACTLY why I entered this question on CZcams I've been doing photography and video since 09. Now I"m feeling the pain of AI. My car payment use to be $1135 per month and it was no problem.. Now I can barely pay rent.
I'm totally on your side. It's frightening. But what I more worry about, is, how we will be wrongly manipulated by false image, which are claimed as real. We will not be able to tell the difference between fake, or real.
A few years ago, we laught about, that a computer will rule us. But how things are progressing now, we will be slaves of a software, or the ones who own it.
It is no art, what AI produces, but in a way it's art, how this software was written. But that, I'll not hang up my wall.
How beautiful is a real flower in its detail, and how it grew to its beauty. But it's no art, when it's made out of zeros, and ones.
Soon we will not see the difference, and that's so scary.
I really cannot comprehend how quickly this has gone from a novelty technology that is completely unusable to photorealistic and in a lot of cases better than real artists. The rubicon has been crossed, Pandora's box has been opened. Growth from here will be exponential, but in our excitement to grow and build a shiny new toy the ethical impact on humanity is being tossed aside.
In order to be competitive and remain successful in just about any industry, you will NEED to integrate with AI technology in the near future. That is incredibly scary in so many ways. AI will become so integrated with society - AI will be writing our website copy, creating our images and stories so prolifically that it basically will be our society. It will be so built-in to everything that it will form the fabric of who we are.
And the control of that AI is in the hands of just a few wealthy individuals. We are, in my opinion, taking a running leap into a giant chasm for humanity
I know! My prediction in this video is years.. it’s been months since I made it an we’re nearly there.
happy you’re back! 🥳 crazy what technology is able to do. Let’s see how this will continue in the future 😬
Thanks buddy, I agree. It's going to be a wild ride!
As you said: Midjourney V5 now is already capable of creating wonderful "photos" that cannot be distinguished from a real photo by a normal user - including really stunning portraits. This progress is getting much faster than we all thought...
I know right! I made this video about 6 months ago and it’s so outdated already 😅
Midjouney has already fooled photography contest judges@@ItsJonnyKeeley
As someone with Cystic Fibrosis and limited capacity for work I finally found myself a job I could do working from home, just as I was starting to make some headway in stock photography, AI came along and killed it all 😢
I work in advertising for over 15 years. Heres a few points that make this more problematic:
- brands and consumers want to identify with the campaign, they want an ambassador and a human touch. In many advertising genres, it is literally illegal to picture a substitute instead of the real thing.
- many ads are very, very specific and need total control over the result. They also need to correspond with the TV campaign and other media. Its not good enough to have a vague approximation.
- AI art as a whole lacks human touch and feels very cold, calculated and the look of it is almost always recognizable. While it is pleasing now, it may become toxic very soon and brands might want to stay away from appearing cheap and crass in using a "generator" over unique artwork
- Ad agencies certainly DONT want to save money - it is in their interest to have big budgets, they live off the surplus margin of very expensive and complicated TV and print campaigns. What will happen once all that is generated in 50 seconds for the cost of a 50 dollar subscription? Agencies would shrink really, really fast, just like music industry did after peer2peer.
The future is no longer about what we CAN do, but about what do we WANT to do.
I’ve traveled the world and was going to sell my images as stock photography. This changed it. Now I’m traveling and just shooting for my own memories.
I’m glad I stopped working in the industry 12 years ago. Like you, I now shoot for memories and fun. AI can’t deprive me of that.
the image you provided is visually impressive, but has an AI "look". I would prefer an original work that was created by hand and has the texture and tangible qualities of a bespoke work. But then again, I am a photographer that works both in digital and film.
I don’t think there will be a such a mess. First of all photography will not find its end so soon. No AI can replicate MY imagies, can not take the shots of my child, my vacations, my socker team games and so on. People will be soon tired of plastic imagies as they are of auto tune in music. Of course we will see, like NFTs, an interest, but this is for the moment.
That picture at the end just looks like graphics to me, like all modern movies. It's kind of cool looking, but at the same time I feel nothing. I'd feel more watching real footage of someone falling off a skateboard, than graphics of a whole city on fire.
That's fair.
I think that even though AI artwork/illustration is novel and cool, the power of original ideas will remain with the individual creatives. Sure corporations and businesses will use it to make more money, but ideas always evolve from the thought processes that humans go through. AI is a shortcut to a final product but the idea where the real power is. Some people WILL DEFINITELY be forced to adapt, somehow.
Yeah, I think that's why it's so interesting. Most people are understanding both sides of the story.
@@ItsJonnyKeeley hopefully I'm not underestimating this though 🤔 we've all seen Terminator 😅
I've just heard about the Instagram contributor Jos Avery who has been presenting a number of 'portraits' that were actually AI simulations to great acclaim on the platform and although he stresses in his admission about the origin of the images that his input in the process is greater than the headline suggests, it is still a chilling reality that it's only going to get better and need less editorial overview.
But one thing I'm wondering is that if this becomes the norm and the need to take 'actual photos' diminishes, then where will the source of the raw material that the AI machine uses and adapt comes from, or maybe I've completely misunderstood and it already has everything it needs and any human contribution is now surplus.
Either way, progress is inevitable although we could have a conversation on what values define the word 'progress' itself.
Anyway, fascinating topic and a good video about it, thank you.
Signing your work will be more important than ever. And perhaps we will see a recognition of work made by people in contrast of AI work. In the middle ages, a lot of art was made anonymous. Then individualism started to become cool and artists started to sign their work. AI is like those anonymous artists. Perhaps we get designers starting to sign their H&M campaign, as to differentiate from AI work. Surely there will be a contra movement.
stock photo companies be sweating.
Sad days for art...
I agree that small companies will continue to support no AI art, however I think soon the art we as individuals make will no longer be profitable on a whole and will be for personal creative enjoyment.
What I have a problem with is people posing as a digital artists/photographers that are using AI to create photos or digital art without informing their audience or not being so transparent with the fact that whatever is on their profile isn't really made by them. Also whenever I confront them about their BS they just remove my posts and block me fearing they might loose stupid fucking likes they get from followers etc.
It will take a minute before the average audience will understand that fact.. I have nothing against using Ai but only with a fair rules in regard to the real hard working artist/photographers that actually have their own vision..
Great to see you posting. Karl Taylor did a great long dive video into how product photography is doomed with advances in 3D modeling and AI, so it's marketing departments now as well (and a lot for many of us to keep pace with). The 'uncanny valley' is going to finally be crossed soon, if Unreal Engine 5 is any indication. Even filmmaking and music production will be radically upended by AI soon. Invites a lot of existential questioning (and dread) for artists. Understanding people and bigger ideas, delivering value, etc. - irreplaceable human qualities - will become of larger importance over technical skillsets as tools advance. OTOH I really wonder how licensing is going to pan out. The Copyright Court in the U.S. refused to grant AI generated work rights earlier this year as it's still tied exclusively to creations of "the human mind." If companies can't hold exclusive license over their works it kind of throws a lot out of the window. Fair use comes into play with AI drawing from other works as IP law varies from country to country.
Thanks for the insight man. An interesting thing for me is how derivative AI work is. For example Create X in the style of and it looks a lot like their work but they don't own it.
@@ItsJonnyKeeley Absolutely, the new platform Stable Diffusion even advertises all of the specific artist styles it can duplicate. What a time to be alive.
In my opinion, it will only shine a light on unique/original artists. Let's consider this *hypothetical* sentence from 200 years ago: "Something pretty scary is happening to the creative world. All of the photorealistic artworks that you see were automatically generated by a lensed machine -- a camera... and it did it in under a second. Just so you understand how terrifyingly effortless this process is, it comes in the form of a mechanical box with a lens, and you simply click a button and it will create a realistic interpretation of whatever you're pointing it at..."
There are many things about AI that just simply scare me to hell. But what probably irritates me most about this Frankenstein "art", is that those who are producing it claim it as their own artistic creation - despite it being produced with a line of text by a computer, not them.
I'm even seeing watermarks on it - as if it's now theirs and, ironically (since it's made from referencing other artists copyrighted work), can't be taken and used without their approval.
This is just plain fraud.
It's time for the artistic community to come up with a certification process that guarantees that their art is NOT produced by AI, and encourage art buyers and commercial clients to shun AI in the same way publishers do with known plagiarizers.
There’s a moral issue… it’s deceit if images created by AI are used for marketing purposes
Interesting point.
@@ItsJonnyKeeley I just find the way this is heading is mind blowing on one hand but highly questionable on the other.
Interesting discussion. It's what you say about the images that serve only a commercial purpose, those are indeed the ones that will be replaced by AI the soonest. I can't imagine companies spending thousands of dollars on models and photographers when AI can do the same thing. Those companies don't care about the journey. They don't care about how images were created. They just want a fancy looking photo that makes people buy there stuff. But AI will never replace the capturing of memories, moments in our lives and the stories behind those moments. Nevertheless, us photographers will see major changes in the coming years. Great video Johnny.
The problem... AI is base input, so a copy the human work, the data collection made by big corps, is using us even more that we can grasp ... it's like a trap ... an incredible trap, not because of the technology, but because of the economic system that we live in...
I always hoped that Blade Runner and the Matrix were just warnings for an awful future, that we would wake up and smell the coffee - but as I get older these films are startlingly prescient. The human made arts as we have known them will be sidelined more and more to help people cope with their mental health in a world that is hurtling to a future that is driven digitally/through Ai, where profit and technology are the worshipped gods.
Even more reason why we need advocate for ubi. With one people's livelihoods wouldn't be at risk and they can do what they love even if ai can do it better and not have to worry. All we would need to do is tax the companies that are using ai instead of humans and do a vat tax and then we could fund a ubi. Both would be super easy to do.
@@DigitalCosmos555 I totally agree with properly taxing those companies, plus social media giants too!
@@DigitalCosmos555 ummm... look into the mouse utopia experiment...UBI will not work. Having things handed to you without having to work for it will not work.
@@rachel.isabelle were not mice. Yes if you trap an animal in the box that does not have the ability like humans to better things everything will go wrong even if they have everything. We can solve overpopulation the mice can't so they suffered.
@@DigitalCosmos555 You're giving humans too much credit lol
Very interesting video, I'm alarmed to hear AI generated images... This is the first time I've come across it. I can see how valued it is as a marketing tool but for me personally (and as you highlighted) it could never replace the meaning of real human made art.
Yeah, it’s pretty crazy, Looks like the worlds going to change again!
@@ItsJonnyKeeley NO Jonny, we can't give it leeway!
Probably going to hit illustration first. In photography, it’s more likely to impact the low to medium realm of projects, which has arguably been on the decline for a bit over a decade. I’ve worked with ad agencies, and I can see AI changing storyboarding, or being used for pitches, and maybe tight deadlines. As an advertising photographer, you don’t just bring gear and technical skills to a project, you also bring ideas and help make concepts into reality.
It can’t totally take over photography because think about it people want pictures of them selves wedding, sports, lifestyles, events and yes AI can make the process faster for editing but physically being there taking the image for the other person they need a actually robot doing that for them and that’ll be a lil while until that what y’all think?
Nice to see you back . For me if I know its AI I see it but don't appreciate it . Its the journey that creates beautiful art 🎨 nothing will ever change that for me .
If we look back 100 years, photography was much different. This is a new time for us... change is elevatable for sure that's why I really like this video. I personally feel it won't kill photography BUT it's time for blue ocean marketing ;)
It's definitely hard to predict and I think centres around the behaviour of those big companies proving the tools. It's amazing how far things have come even since this video.
If you don’t think it will kill SOME photography genres, you’re either overly optimistic or coping.
@@michaeltuffin8147 blue ocean is all I have to say BLUE OCEAN read the book
But photography did kill off fashion, magazine, and advertising illustration.
@@michaeltuffin8147 Just as photography killed fashion, magazine, and advertising illustration.
it makes me scared for the future of art and technology. I am about to start my career out of uni and this throws everything off and isnt something i could even adapt into my own work because it would not even be by me. it might up the value of manmade art though? as its more rare and pure in emotion and talent?
Well, I do mosaics and wood carving. Certainly, those won’t be replaced by ai any time soon.
This is a fascinating development, the results truly are beautiful. The best way for this technology not to be abused is to break up tech monopolies and collapse "investor classes" with high taxes and capital controls to restrict outflows, make sure no one can corner any market. The technology is free for the time being because computers are dumb, they only know what you tell them.
The worst part is, that this AI needs creators to create in order to feed of their content. Creators provide content online and those AI companies scrap their content for free and feed it to their models. In future creators will have to protect their art/content from this companies. Free internet as we konw it will disapear.
That won't happen. At least not for a very long time. No wedding can be photographed without a photographer. No product, with logos, extreme detail, etc., can be photographed,. They will either adapt or use it to their advantage. The industry that WILL be affected are models, especially fine art photographers. A fashion shoot showing off a particular dress can not (at least for now) duplicate a dress as it was designed. But why pay a model when one can create a beautiful image without paying a model? And yes, I agree. People who want to invest in a photograph will prefer one taken by a real photographer and not a bot. And maybe that won't even put photographers out of business. They want the interaction between his or herself with a living person.
maybe its even reliefing if some companies start using "human made design" in future maybe the others will be forced to keep up with them because otherwise they look bad to the public and thats the least they want every companie is flexing with how good they are from greenwashing to lgbtq etc
Great video. I'm staying with the past - Black and White Film...
I'm not convinced how many value humans when it comes to business. Consider how many move their manufacturing to countries like China, because they can offer cheap because their workers are very poorly paid. And that is large companies that could afford to hire locally but choose instead to focus is on their profits.
Lets face it the term 'its not personal, its business' is because business is about making money. Most people don't even like ads so doubt they will care one way or the other who made the artwork.
I'm sure galleries will stick with their named artists and not fill their walls with AI art, but that isn't a career. Same as I'm sure fashion designers will still hire models for fashion shows. Though that is only going to help the very elite high-end market. For the middle and low end market it is going to be whatever maximises their profits.
To be fair cameras didn't end the painters, so AI won't end art. Most create art for themselves. Most don't sell their work anyway, so that won't change. But I would be very surprised if there is going to suddenly be a move for everyone to become more ethical. You would need it to cover everyone, people won't pity artists anymore than they pity all the other people in history whose jobs were replaced with machinery and cheaper labour sources.
Think of back in the day when movies used teams of model builders now it’s mostly done with CGI
great analysis, and it doesn´t end there, did you see Americas Got Talent real time face replacements? Ai is now able to recreate real people faces and unique expressions in the fly, so actors, models... that is a profession that will get strange, we will suddenly have Marylin Monroe back in ads or famous 80s models and actors back into movies... feels really really rare... Will humans be replaced all along entertainment industry? What will our roles be in 200 years?
AI art is an incredible time saver. Less time to spend on the production, more time to spend using the imagination. There are several ways an artist can differentiate using this new tech. Putting more thought into it is one of them. As a photographer, I will be combining my shots in new ways to tell stories with AI generated images. Art is not about the how it is created, it is what you create that matters. The world is changing. We need to stop using fossil fuels. Better to change with it than reject change.
That's the answer of CHATGPT :
No, artificial intelligence (AI) is not going to kill photography and artists. While AI and machine learning have advanced to the point where they can create impressive and realistic images, they still lack the creativity, imagination, and emotional intelligence that is inherent in human artists.
AI may be able to generate images that are technically proficient, but it cannot replicate the unique perspective, interpretation, and style of individual artists. Additionally, AI-generated images are often produced with specific parameters and goals in mind, whereas human artists are free to create and express themselves without such constraints.
Furthermore, many photographers and artists have embraced AI as a tool to enhance their work and workflow. AI can help with tasks such as organizing and categorizing images, automating editing tasks, and even generating ideas and inspiration.
In conclusion, while AI may change the way we approach photography and art, it is unlikely to replace or "kill" the human element of creativity and expression that is essential to these fields."
For me it's all about the details and the intent behind them. If I look at a painting up close and I don't see intent in brush strokes and details, which AI obviously is lacking, I don't even consider it art, it's just an image.
Nice to hear from you.
My comparison has been the difference of when we view a piece of original art in a museum, let's say the Mona Lisa.
Do we get the same vibe standing in front of the original as we do when we stand in front of the poster we bought in the gift store on our way out.
Just sayin'...
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Extraordinary video. Thankyou.
Thanks buddy, was great to hang out the other eve.
That's what NFTs art flooding right now 😅🎨
Not only image work. There’s also a few of these that I’ve had advertised to me for written content as well. I haven’t tried one yet, but may do so to trial it and see how well it can write a post for the blog
Yeah that one doesn't sit well for me, the written word is such a personal thing. But if it can help people do more of what they love, then great!
@@ItsJonnyKeeley I’m beginning to think AI is going too far. It’s great in some areas, maybe helping with a title as an example, but doing all the work doesn’t feel right
100% correct
Thanks
After generating hundreds of portrait images using a.i. I quickly realized there is still a human skill involved in writing a specific script to get exactly what you want.
I think that I will hit my best in doing photography and everything But I don't know if I'm right or wrong This will be the problem for the next Generation I think we are safe 😅 Good luck everyone
You're right. It is scary... I personally will always value human's art, because I know how much work, time and sometimes luck it takes to create a valuable piece of art. If companies use the quick and cheap strategy, then I'm going to reward the once that don't. I can purchase the products from smaller brands that introduce their creators to the customers. The same like I buy most of my clothes that were handmade in my own country. We should appreciate the real art before it disappears.
I will say that couldn't you just program an ai as a way to improve cameras even further? It seems like it could just further improve and augment cameras.
The problem with AI is that there's no emotion! 👎
I can see AI generated images having issues in the legal field. Imagine a perfectly produced image as fabricated evidence in a court case.
At some point there would need to be some kind of program that allows people to know if a file was created by AI or humans.
I have seen software like CAD decimate whole classes of architectural professionals. Unless we, the consumer, embrace and support HUMAN efforts this battle against AI will be an uphill battle.
I think this will drive more people to get even better at there craft and maybe even using ai to learn to do things on a much more instinctively level. Think of it(AI) like the blue print to a bridge you have to build. This argument maybe a thing now but in the future when people can simply upload the skills they want then not so much.
3 months later and this AI is creating far superior works then was shown here. The development of it is just mind blowing.
Exactly, it's crazy how fast it's moving.
If you want to understand what is going on then just realize that every new tech development, from 3D printing, self-driving cars, AI art to something as simple as ICU robots is about taking away physical labour. Removing the human body but keeping the mind. That's it.
What Surprise me that AI can create model body wearing a brand which is not real at all so they don't even need to hire a model for this one haha! " A piece of artwork that took a human month to cream will always mean more to me than the identical piece if AI created it in 60 seconds" I loved this JONNY!
I guess you’re a creative person that respects artist. If you were a manager at a big corp. and needed a monthly set of photos for a monthly campaign during the year and had two options; 1. ~$2500 / session and 1-2 work days dealing with a photographer/crew. Or 2. A subscription for ~$10-20/month and just put in some images of the new clothes and write “women in industrial area”, and you get the results right away with a women in an industrial area with your new clothes. I guess 99,9% of all brands would’ve choosed the 2nd option
@@Gj_frames this is exactly what scares me. I've just started in product/ecommerce photography. And you are absolutely correct in that a business will want the cheapest and fastest option. I think fine art and the more creative end photographers are safe for a while but product photographers like me will be forced to learn to pivot or look for another line of work. The more that the AI generators are fed, the more powerful they will become and I feel it will infringe upon everyone's lives. It's a bit sad when you think of it. Humans are being pushed towards less and less human contact and that's exactly why we are here in the first place! :(
@@wearybard866 amen 🙏🫣
AI responds to the input it’s given. Some people are more imaginative, creative and articulate and all this will mean the art they create using AI will be more creative and meaningful than that made by people less skilled and imaginative. AI Will certainly affect some creators, as businesses will just want something quick, but creative people need to fear this less and get on board and see how they can use it with their developed creative imaginations. I think there will be many artists out there that will use AI in ways it wasn’t designed for and hasn’t been thought of. Creative tools have always been used in imaginative ways to create previously unseen or unheard works. The cat is out of the box, and artists are going to have to learn to use it or find ways to work alongside it. Humans have always used technology to understand the world more through art and science and that’s exactly what we should be using AI for.
The difference between being good at prompts and being a good enough artist to keep up with AI is incomparable.
@@ItsJonnyKeeley As a painter and photographer who has experimented with digital art, I have a strong preference for hand painting. It gives me more emotional satisfaction and enjoyment of the process. I also notice that many children’s books use digital illustrations, which I find less appealing than hand paintings. I acknowledge that AI will influence the production of art in this way, but I also hope that it will enable new kinds of art that were not possible before. I want to see artists who can use AI to create works that require more skill and imagination than just writing prompts. Having a camera in one’s pocket does not make one a good photographer. I still get hired because of my expertise and knowledge. I hope AI will be similar - a tool that enhances human creativity, not a threat that replaces it. I accept AI as a reality. Resistance is indeed, futile, but I agree that we should address its ethical and social implications before it becomes an intractable behemoth like social media!
As soon as the 3D printer came out i knew things were going to get....................dare i say worse?
Artificial will always be artificial and mimic reality. Intelligence will always be intelligence and discover ways to represent realistic experiences. They will always co-exist, yet always have a distinctly invaluable difference.
Reason for edit: I only changed “valuable” to “invaluable” AI would’ve cared much less.
Only three months and this vid hasn’t aged well, Ai photorealism is already here.
It’s aged perfectly, that was the literally the point of the video.
IMO people would not want "traditional" (pre-AI) art form to be vanished and swept away by the AI industrial revolution. Just like us, who want to preserve traditional craft and culture passed from ancestors , I believe that there will always be market for traditional art and hopefully a government supported organization that support these traditional artists and their craft.
is there a creative field that ai isnt coming for at this point? its getting too scary
I think the only safe place is being yourself, I will always go to people I trust before even the most powerful AI.
Mosaics, wood carving.
Human’s are so fing stupid. Let's make ourselves irrelevant! Yay! Who's going to buy the products when no one has money?!??
it's capitalism
Yep! We are not too far away from that movie "Idiocracy" !
Point Noted.
Let's wait and see how it goes.
I think it’s fascinating.