Review: Broadway Limited Paragon 4 HO Scale PRR Pensylvania Railroad E6 4-4-2, 460 Lindbergh Special
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- Unboxing and Review: Broadway Limited Paragon 4 HO Scale PRR Pensylvania Railroad E6 4-4-2, 460 Lindbergh Special
WAIT… DID BLI misspell “Lindbergh” with “Lindbergh?” Ooops
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The color is Pennsy's DGLE (Dark Green Locomotive Enamel), they used it on nearly every steam locomotive ever built and even applied it to most of their diesel fleet.
Oh! Thank you so much for this information as it does clear up that question for me! Appreciate it tons!
Thanks for the review! Brunswick green is so close to black if you weather your engines you could just use black and no one would ever know. As for the keystone number plate on the front, Pennsy used the Keystone to denote passenger engines and the round "Brunswick" plates for freight engines.
Thanks for not only watching, but for that great info! If me father were still around, he’d have clued me in to these things, so I’m glad there are those who can fill in the gap he leaves in my life!
I always see the BLI smoke units as a space holder for boiler barker speakers. The smoke unit also won’t melt the boiler on this, it’s supposed to be diecast. If it does melt then dang that unit was hot!
Yup...I just wish it didn't happen so often!
What I do with my smoke units is that I don’t use them unless I’m filming something but when I’m playing with them they are all off
Though I think this is a beautiful locomotive, I definitely agree with you 100% on the smoke unit, speaker and pricing. Manufacturers across the board are trying their hardest to price most people out of the hobby. That will bite them in the long run.
I recently purchased this engine and I really didn’t have any problems with it. Even when I ran it over plastic frogs on my club layout, the lights never flickered or stuttered. What’s nice is that it has a built-in capacitor that keeps it running off the tracks for at least 4 seconds. The only issue I had was changing the address to the cab number. Other than that, the engine smokes like a chimney, runs great, has pretty decent sounds, pulls well, and has nice detail. If I had to rate it, I’d probably give it an 8/10.
My lights and smoke go off when I lose power to the locomotive.. maybe yours is a different revision or something
Nice consist. Hope your smoke unit behaves😉. I use a glue syringe, that Mike recommended. All is good with my steam engines. Happy rails.
The thing I don’t like about those syringes is the metal tip… just don’t like putting anything metal into something with voltage running through it
@@DoctorHobby I always make sure the power is off.
Pennsylvanian Railroad uses Steam Locomotive Black Enamel paint which in certain lighting does give out a Brunswick Green appearance
You are right Bli should use TCS WOWSOUND for sure but there cheap asses and would rather sell there crappy garbage sounds which is so so so DISAPPOINTING very sad to see Bli completely disregard DCC ready models what people want they want that CHOICE the choice of DCC ready or dcc sound that's it that's all I'm saying, but anyways good video as always stay frosty!!!!!!!!!
I TOTALLY agree with you! Broadway Limited Imports should DEFINITELY use TCS Wowsound!
Pretty nicely made engine I’d say it’s definitely something to look at great review, seems like there’s a lot of small issues with the model but I guess that’s what you get something like this.
Yeah… Nothing to make much of a fuss about… at least the smoke unit is still running! Lol
Great loco but if I were you I would put TCS Wowsound in that and also the smoke unit, I don't like BLI Paragon 4 sounds they are the same almost every loco the past 15 years and NOTHING has changed I would go TCS and put that in and trust me it will be AMAZING especially with the TCS High bass speakers!!!!!! Paragon 4 BLI promised us new sounds and they straight up lied to us it is very UNFORTUNATE!!!!!!!!!!
All Pennsy steam engines were Brunswick Green. Brunswick green was a combination of green and black so it appears black in photos and from a distance.
Brunswick Green is correct. "The next best thing to black".
Thank you so much!
This will most likely be my first HO loco from Broadway. Love this engine! The details are plenty good enough for me! I can't afford Brass or any brass series HO. Prices get so insane!
This will do better than brass in terms of its running quality, so you probably got a better deal here. Best wishes for when you finally pick it up!
Get one?
@@tonyromano6220 no
Going through divorce. 😞
That model looks awesome - Have to say, I'm very tempted! They do have them for an almost reasonable price on the BLI outlet. BUT 100% agree with you on the price these companies are charging. Its really gettign out of hand, esp still trying to push the Paragon stuff. Most I've ever spent was about $300 when they first released the K4. In the distant past, I've got some great deal from the outlet store. The PRR P70 4 pack for next to nothing and full set of SP morning daylight coaches, but even there great deals are becoming scarce.
Same with my main collecting interests UK loco's getting to over 200 pounds has just just stopped me cold! Just not going to spend that money on stuff that has a high chance of a QA issue! Really wanted a Hush Hush and the new full fat P2. Have too much anyway and no where to run it!
Best loco ever!
You should go through all the whistles using cv 224 to 1 and 2 and F22
Oh, that's Really good idea!
I’m relatively new to the DCC side of the hobby. I can program locomotives and I understand the concept of changing CV’s, but may I ask what changing 17, 18, and 29 is actually doing? Great video btw I recently revived my order for 2 E6’s and I agree with all your points. As a PRR fan I’d say they’re spot on otherwise
Thanks tons for the encouragement. I'm having a video come out in addressing really shortly that I hope will help.
In regard to the future of the hobby, it will thrive in places where railroads are still used on a daily basis by the vast majority of the public (Europe and East Asia). North America and Australia are less densely populated, spread out, and continental size countries where railroad travel is not convenient or worthwhile. Railroads (passenger service mainly) today only work in small, densely populated countries. Freight however works in the latter places because of the long distances traveled so it makes sense to pack a long string of freight cars when you have the right-of-way.
People only care about what they see in front of their faces. If it isn't there then they see no reason to get in to it.
Very nice. I may not have this model (I have models of three other Pennsy steam locomotives), though I have seen the real-life engine at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania.
I think I saw it a long time ago, too, since it was one of my father's favorites!
@@DoctorHobby Indeed. My grandmother lived out in Lancaster County, so we'd often pass by the museum and railroad on the way to visit her. When I was younger, #460 was in the yard outside the museum, but they've since cosmetically restored the engine and moved her inside.
I have been priced out for a few years now. When BLI first came out I had four different steam locomotives from their line. As much as I would like one of their new offerings, I cannot afford nor justify spending over four hundred dollars. I suspect those who deem it affordable do so from their income mindset. A doctor may think it's affordable, though he does not take into account, not all of us receive a doctors salary. It's very much like commercials for home equity loans which offer low rates. It comes down to "restrictions apply", meaning they are not advertising to all of us. As always, I enjoyed your thoughtful review. Jim.
Uuugh.. yes.. the pricing issue--it's only going to get worse from here. Either the prices are going to keep going up so that the profits come from only a small amount of reasonably well-off collectors or all of the companies are going to price themselves out of business. If the latter happens then the prices are going to go up on the used market.
Not gonna lie I fell in love with this when I first saw it…… then I saw the price😬 maybe there will be some kind of Black Friday sale 🤞
Maybe so! Keep checking the refurb outlet-some are bound to come up there.
That's my plan. I Have 6 B.L.I. locos, none of them run anymore. I don't want to send them in for repair, and get a big bill.
2:48 classic BLI quality control
Yup... When you can't even spell the name of the guy correctly...
What program is this you use to program BLI locos? Can you use it on MacBook Pro, or just PC?
I use a LokProgrammer on a PC for this work
Will you get the blue goose,or maybe the Cincinnation paint scheme on train world? I want the Cincinnation
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HI you say this is expensive, so which one do you suggest best to buy with smoke and good sound and good price? thanks
If you can pick one of these up on the used market or on sale around the $350 mark, you'll get a decent deal I think. Try TrainWorld as they put theirs on a deep discount now and again.
How do you power the track what brand do you use for the power track
I nominally run my track with a Marklin Central Station 3+, but for analog I have a Bachmann Spectrum controller. I do have another, older DCC controller for when I'm just testing things out.
Id like to see more british steam locomotives
Your wish is my command! Soon coming up!
@@DoctorHobby doesn't have to be from hornby tho, it can be bachmann or dapol
So I just got one and its a great locomotive but I have one issue when ever the tender is on the track it shorts. The misery just keeps marching on.
(Update) For some reason Bli put the tender truck wheels backwards
Ah.. Whoops... Well, I had that problem with the Cincinnatian set, too.. it's a "thing" I guess
What do you mean, 'truck wheels backwards'? I'm new to ho and don't know the difference
Push the front trip pin up and thr couple will clasp better
With Broadway Limited I always wait a few years when their prices are cut in half or wait for a refurbished one from their store. Never pay MSRP or regular street price when they come out because like you said for what they charge is outrageous. I would be more forgiving if they had TCS/LokSound/Tsunami decoders, better speakers, and smoke units that were functional. Of course we all know why they don't change anything and it is because $$$. Cheaper to recycle what they have in-house than to outsource to someone who does it better.
Definitely cheaper for them to produce their own sound DCC chips. I'm fairly certain the manufacturing price is less than $20, but the markup is more closer to $100, so if they're following that to its logical conclusion, they never ever offer DCC ready.
For their prices it should run flawlessly.
@@kents.2866
Yeap, a premium price would be okay if everything is top notch. I'm learning thats nearly never the case with BLI. But who? I'm from O guage and usually get what ya pay for.
The quality control on the 4-4-2 Atlantic's by Broadway Limited that I purchased was not good. For the kind of money they cost I would think quality would be better.
When you’ve misspelled “Lindbergh,” I suppose nothing should be surprising when it comes to lack of quality control… it’s a strange company sometimes..
Thanks ! My E6 should be on it's way. Are the traction tyres standard fitted or optional ? I hope for the latter because I don''t like traction tyres ! I also want to disable the smoke unit. Can I do that by F7 or also some other switch underneath the loco ? The price was just $25 less than my Athearn Genesis DDA40X which was $501 USD. Cheers Jan Australia
Thanks for writing! I should have actually covered that in the video--there are traction tires by default and there is no option for deleting them unless yolu want to try running on the wheels after you take them off.. probably not going to be a good deal overall...
BTW. You've got one of yours coming your way, I've got one of yours coming mine. My Auscision Aboriginal livery NR classes should be here within a week! Really looking forward to them!
@@DoctorHobby Thanks Dr. Hobby, Of course I will leave them. Are they just on two wheels or all four wheels ? A shame BLI does not give us the option because I have a BLI K4 Pacific that came without traction tyres and a set of extra wheels with traction tyres if you wanted to fit them ! Much better option !
I suppose it will be a nice loco anyway otherwise I would not have purchased it.
@@DoctorHobby That is great Dr. Hobby ! My Atlantic will cross your Auscision above the Pacific
Two wheels, only.
Paragon 4 chuffs sound like a hammer on wooden steps.
I saw someone describe the cuff as "two garbage cans being banged together"
Why is there 'lumber mill' ( really ? )sound on a steam locomotive?
They even have it on their passenger locomotives lol.. Bizarre, right?
Sound is pretty crappy for the prices they are asking. They should try the speakers they use in iPhones or laptops instead of the old $1 AM radio speaker they got in there.
Pretty much sums it all up really nicely there. So many little think they're the best they've ever heard, so, I dunno. Heck, I actually had a video where I helped improve the sound of a BLI locomotive drastically with minimal effort and some people disliked it, so who's to know what people expect anymore lol
Totally agree on the price. Several years ago I bought the Consolidation for
Did you see the drivers are reversed. The larger weight should be on the rear one not the front one.
Interesting…
The drivers are wrong. The bigger weight should be on the back one.
Did BLI really misspell "Lindbergh"????????????????
Is that quality control, once again….
@@DoctorHobby
It's incredibly disappointing considering the price that is paid
I gave this model a 6/10. Closer to a 7 than a 5, but average.
I think a lot of people have been putting it in that range. Would you care to share why you put it there?
@@DoctorHobby Good question. On the BLI FB I talked about it, and to be honest the details are pretty high up there, though the side deck plates are a little too thick. They could of used brass or plastic, but that can be a nitpick for some. The back of the headlight lamp for the 1927 model is not accurate, but I understand they were trying to hide the wires however, I believe they had the capability to hide those wires better. So the details make up a solid 3 for the Lindbergh version. 2.5 for the rest since the pilot wheels are not painted black for some reason. A nit pick, but I have seen they can do better, especially for the details for that ATSF Blue Goose review you have done. The mechanism is fairly sold after I opened up the model. The E6 is different than your typical BLI steam engine, rather you need to unscrew four holes instead of 3 to take off the shell. Gears look to be of higher quality. The engine ran very silently, so I am pleased that BLI has improved the gear plastic quality over the past few decades of their existence. With those traction tires the model is very solid also as a puller, so in terms of mechanics it is an overall 3. So we are 6 right now, so what happened to the 4 other points right? Well, like it seems to be with a lot of people, it really is those electronics. After seeing your review of the E6, I had to mention the possible failures of the smoke unit, and for me, I do not like models that are not really reliable. So, a "spin the wheel" smoke unit is a minus 1. The decoder is pretty much the same as P3, but with more capacitors on board. Sounds are rather unimpressive. Personally, I compare BLI's "QSI sounds" to early 2000's Lionel TMCC. The chuffing is unique, but does not sound like steam from ESU, or TCS. Again, a lot of the sound files are recycled from P3, so I am not really impressed with that either. For electronics it 1 point minus. The final nail is the outrageous price of close to 500$. That is close to 240$ away from their upcoming S2 Brass-Hybrid. I know people can get them from retailers for 480$, but we forget tax and shipping. I personally got mine from a small store for 380$ with 6$ shipping. I still think that is a little high, (Realistically between 325-340$ as is, is more acceptable), but I got it, because I wanted "the" E6s. So, we loose another 1-2 points.
We get 6/10 total, for an average model to close to slightly above average model. It is not bad, but it certainly is not great. So, I plan to do what I like to do and hard wire TCS WOW to my BLI steam. Once that is done, yes I lose smoke, but reliability goes up, and I have better electronics so the model is closer to a 7-8/10. Closer to a solid 8 than to a 7. That would make a big difference for BLI generally. If they also had the price 380$ average with TCS WOW from the factory, then that is one more point higher to be close to a 8-9/10. The last remaining would be minor details and nitpicks.
Thanks so much for sharing all of that detail! It helps me to understand what kinds of things people look for in their model trains. Apprecaite your viewership, too!
@@DoctorHobby You are welcome.
It is a real shame it really is
It definitely doesn’t make me happy, that’s for sure.
Coming from MTH O guage, I was hoping BLI would be something of the go-to brand for me. I'm finding it nearly unbearable to keep going with this hobby, especially overseas
I think the smoke looks like a toy, no thanks.
All you need to do is blow a quick, forceful puff of air down the stack after adding smoke fluid and it will come out of the stack. It's just a smoke fluid bubble that needs to be broken up.......pretty common.
Sometimes it's actually good to watch the video you're commenting on, which would be "pretty common". He says "as soon as I puffed..." and labels the times he puffs into it with "puff puff" a few times.
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How does one write "I didn't actually watch the chapter" without writing "I didn't watch the chapter" lol
9:23 Wow is that some awful looking crew !!!
I told them to shape up and look professional or they’ll be out of a job soon… we’ll see if they got the message or not…