🚨BREAKING: SHAQ SAYS KOBE BRYANT SHOULD BE IN THE "GOAT" DEBATE...
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- 🚨BREAKING: SHAQ SAYS KOBE BRYANT SHOULD BE IN THE "GOAT" DEBATE...
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Man, LeBron went beast mode in that Magic series. He averaged 38.5 points, 8.3 rebounds, and 8 assists, and even that wasn't enough for Cleveland to go through which shows how bad his supporting cast was. The man averaged almost 40-10-10 in the ECF. That's incredible!
Lard back is wild lmaooo
😂😂😂😂
Lamont shows himself to be a LOW fanboy and can't admit when he is wrong and to say role players doesn't have any impact on closing a game is one of the most craziest bad takes I've ever heard.
Lamont is not the type to say, as John Maynard Keynes once did, "When the facts change, I change my opinion, what do you do, sir"?
Lamont open his mouth wide for LeBron James to piss in it
To me… 😂😂😂
But the only guys who have a real argument for being the goat it’s Bron Mj n Kareem
Not true bro Wilt and MJ was the top 2 in 01 for a long time then in 2012 we all thought it was Kobe because he had 5 rings by 30 and then somehow the debate became Bron which I disagree with he ain’t on their level
I think Karen don't honestly because it should be magic he got Kareem 5 rings off of his back Kareem was still great before magic came but only had 1 ring in allot of years and magic was clearly the star of show time Lakers even made the finals when Kareem was gone and worthy was injured and magic went to and won 5 out of 9 finals in 12 years that's bat shit crazy good magic should be in goat debate if he played just 4 more years I honestly think he's at 6 or more easily
I think it's LeBron MJ and Kobe all got real arguments or magic because he's the reason for 5 of Kareem titles
Great players in their own time. Many goats thru the years.
Kobe don't have a career like lebron for him to be considered a better player. And you literally have clowns out here saying lebron ain't top 10 lol, the man were in some of the greatest playoff games and playoff series in nba history, and some of the greatest moments in nba history.
The victory he had over the 73-9 warriors for example, the man lead including his own team in every major statistical category in the finals, he statistically dominated everyone including his own team.
See, that's the thing: The haters don't care about the better CAREER. They only care about the SEXIER career. To the haters, SEXIER is BETTER. To the Objectivists, SEXIER is relative. The haters have created a solipsistic word with private connotations that has a secret meaning to their inner circle of dummkopfs and denizens inflicted by delusional parasitosis.
You right kobe is miles ahead of him
@@poody_Smoove994 Who? The bottom-of-the-barrel players? Or, maybe he's ahead of himself and his fanbase, which is full of itself? So, maybe he should get the award for being miles ahead of a pile of poo.
@@poody_Smoove994 😂😂😂 Kobe career don't come close to bron's sir, all you guys can do is speak narratives instead of talking the actual game. 🤣
This not breaking news, shaq been saying this
It's Like The Media Wants To Keep Us At Each Others Neck If Ya'll Think Kobe Is The Goat Then Great If Ya'll Think LeBron Is The Goat Then Great If Ya'll Think MJ Is The Goat Then Great #GOATJAMES Period
Funny how no one has come out and said Kobe is the GOAT. Its always that he belongs in the Convo.
He’s the goat
I agree
LeBron haters are so pressed that they have to bring up what the Bulls as a team did to try and discredit LeBron because WE ALL KNOW once you compare the two individuals LBJ is the better all around player and it’s not even close.
The haters redefine BETTER to mean "fancier ball handler" not better performance on the court and more efficient player with a higher Win% who makes their team BETTER. If it LOOKED sexier, IT was BETTER, regardless of the success of the outcome of the sexiness of the product on the court.
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, 5 league mvps, 10 scoring titles, 9 all defense teams, 3 steals titles, 1 defensive player of year in 13 seasons better player then LeBum 3.5 rings, 3.5 finals mvps, 4 league mvps, 1 scoring title, 5 all defensive first teams, 0 steals titles, 0 defensive player of year in 22 seasons 🥱
Jordan better all around player better scorer, better defensive player, better free throw shooter, better at steals, better at fitting into a system, better shot blocker, better 3point shooter in NBA finals, better leader then LeBron
@@StoneBen-nk4sl Everything you said, or mostly said, is complete garbage, made-up fiction of the second-rate type.
@@StoneBen-nk4sl LeBron has a higher FG% than Jordan and surpassed him in scoring in less shot attempts. No MJ isn’t the better scorer. You just made that up🤦🏿♂️
MJ punched Steve Kerr in the face no he is not a better leader. You also made that up🤦🏿♂️
Scottie was a better all around player than MJ
LBJ is a better shooter, 3pt shooter, passer, rebounder, shot blocker, playmaker, athlete, higher basketball I.Q
MJ couldn’t make it past 15 years despite retiring twice. LBJ played 21 years average 25+ all 21 years.
If LeBron has 3.5 rings then MJ has 2.
No one gives a shit about scoring titles. All time leading scorer beats 10 scoring titles.
MJ never led the league in assists so we can go ahead and throw out MJ’s irrelevant superficial accolades.
5 MVPs in a watered down league doesn’t hit like you’re trying to make it seem. 6 finals MVPs against teams that wouldn’t make the playoffs in today’s league isn’t that impressive.
LeBron can literally fit in any system. MJ couldn’t fit in any system outside Chicago..
LBJ number 1 all time, MJ lucky to be 2.
Kobe isn’t the goat but the most skilled player of all time . He stalled Kyrie / Jordan mixed wit overs
Weather people like it or not you damn right he does 🤫🐍🐐
How?
@dparks2856 He is the closest to Michael Jordan and plus he has 5 rings he had that Killer instinct to win consistently in the 2000s and in 2010 and no matter the outcome he was always passion about the game of basketball and didn't give af who's feelings he hurt unlike LeFraud who's pass his prime and doesn't have the hunger of having the killer instinct to win 5-2>4-6 Lebron ain't build like that Kobe got up 3 am or 4 am and bust his ass to get better meanwhile LeFraud ain't build like that
@@blaisereed-jenkins8362
Closest to MJ don't mean nothing. Has has 1 mvp so he is out
@@blaisereed-jenkins8362no he doesn't😅😅
@dparks2856 I see you gonna ignore the long paragraph I wrote but just like Lebron you ducking and hiding from the real truth
LeBron has the most all NBA team selection in NBA history he has the most all star selection the most mvp share in nba history the most buzz beaters in playoff history the most playoff wins and the most series wins in playoff history first player in nba history to led both teams in points rebounds steals blocks and asisst in the 2016 nba finals i can keep going goat James.
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 rings, 6 fmvp, 5 mvps, 10 scoring titles, 9 all defense first teams, 3x steals titles, 1 defensive player of year in 13 seasons with Bulls greater player then LeBron 3.5 rings, 3.5 finals mvps, 1 scoring title, 5 all defensive first teams, 0x steals titles, 0 defensive player of year awards in 22 seasons lol.
All you naming is longevity accolades lol
Jordan did more in less time that's why he's better player then LeBron
Only 5 all defensive first teams in 22 seasons LeBron lol
Goat 🐐 Jordan 9 all defensive first teams in 13 seasons with Bulls
@@StoneBen-nk4sl accolades/ popularity awards are voted on both Jordan and Lebron have accolades so it can't be deciding factor . Longevity alone isn't enough to be on LeBron's level. You need more than just longevity alone lol. You have to be elite for 21 seasons which nobody has been. Kevin Willis has longevity, but look his numbers in year 21 lol . Lebron is still averaging over 25 in year 21 which is impossible until Lebron made it possible .
@@StoneBen-nk4sloverrated
@@coreythomas3633
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 rings, 6 finals mvps better player then LeBron 6 finals losses and still doesn't have atleast 5 rings in 22 seasons 🤣🤡
@@coreythomas3633
Nikola Jokic better player then LeBum James 🤣
I actually agree i think he's better than Jordan honestly him and LeBron better than Jordan for me Jordan the one that should've been knocked out of the debate because he's number 3 in my eyes Kobe took what Jordan did and made it better but people hold on to 6 rings but to me pippen was the biggest winner on the bulls if you take away stats you'll realize that even tho pippen stats are insane for a second option on offense plus a all time top 3 defender he might be legit better than Jordan if we didn't value scoring so much honestly
What argument do you have for Kobe being better than Jordan?
How did Kobe take Jordan and make a better version of him without producing the same on-court production? It's not even close.
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, 5 league mvps, 10 scoring titles, 9 all defense teams, 3 steals titles, 1 defensive player of year in 13 seasons better player then LeBum 3.5 rings, 3.5 finals mvps, 4 league mvps, 1 scoring title, 5 all defensive first teams, 0 steals titles, 0 defensive player of year in 22 seasons 🥱
@@ScottRachelson777 Kobe played more team ball because Jordan had a bunch of rebounders and defensive guys so he got way more shots per game Kobe actually shared the ball with Shaq and pau and let Odom and Fisher run the offense at times also
@@countryrah How exactly was Kobe better on the court, performance-wise than Jordan?
Fam i been telling u I’ve never Hurd no one say Kobe being the goat till after he passed
Not that Kobe wasn't great but his unfortunatel death has a lot to do with it. You are right .
Well your probably young
And not 40 so yeah you wouldn’t hear it but it was a debate before Bron because Kobe had 5 rings by 30
Lebron definitely the goat
Shaq is HOF, he would know!!! Right reggie????
I guess lol
I’ve been asking this question for a couple years now and not one fanboy has answered.. When was anybody debating Kobe as the 2nd greatest all time when he was alive?? Kobe was hated when he played, Kobe magically loved after death.. You can hate Lebron all you want, at least his fans not waiting until he dies to call him the GOAT..
Its simple. Kobe didnt travel to 3 different teams and recruit 5+ HOF to win ALL 5 of his rings he stayed with the same Franchise. LeBron has failed more times in the playoffs than He has won and got to choose who he played with.
And kobe still not better than lebron
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps was best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings tho
So Kobe Bryant won't ever be in any goat convo when he wasn't even the main guy on most his championship teams
@@StackhouseJerry basically
@@yofresh723 Kobe was far better than Lebron. Especially with his influence on the game. Leflopingtons longevity allowed him to score more points that's it. People who can't play basketball at a high level put bron on that pedestal.
💯Before Kobe passed nobody had him in the 🐐conversation and now it’s become a thing that these content creators figured out how they can get paid. Bro Shaq is trolling because he doesn’t believe what he’s saying if so why didn’t he say it before now he is throwing gas on the fire like all the LeBron hater’s
KOBE is the GOATS 🐐
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe
Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Rings
Jordan 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 1
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 3
Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Steals leader
Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)
Kobe 0
All defensive first team selections
Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️
Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%
Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
Kobe 0
Career Steals
Jordan 2,514✔️
Kobe 1,944
Career blocks
Jordan 893✔️
Kobe 640
Seasons played
Kobe 20
Jordan 15
Points per game (regular season)
Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 24.99
Player efficiency rating
Jordan 1st all time ✔️
Kobe 24th all time
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career
Seasons average +30 ppg
Jordan 8✔️
Kobe 3
Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 0
3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
Kobe 31.4%
Playoff game winning buzzer beaters
Jordan 3✔️
Kobe 1
Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie
Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️
Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%
Jordan way better player then Kobe
Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
1991 NBA finals
Bulls 4 Lakers 1
First ring
Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
First ring
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option
Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times
2004 NBA finals
Pistons 4 Lakers 1
Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince
2004 NBA finals
Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
In your dreams
@@StoneBen-nk4sl I completely agree with this fact list. Thank you for using actual data rather than feelings.
@@yofresh723 God is good stay blessed
@@Franklin-yt3vu yes he is
Real Goats don't blow 3-1 Leads sorry Kobe fans
Real goats don’t go 4-6 in the biggest stage sorry lefanboys
Or, get swept by the Pistons with a Prime Shaq.
@@ScottRachelson777they didn’t get swept you’re r e t a r d e d
Greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
Goat 🐐 Jordan vs LeBron James
Rings
Jordan 6✔️
LeBron 4
Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (NBA record)
LeBron 4
League Mvps
Jordan 5 ✔️
LeBron 4
Total Mvps
Jordan 11✔️ (NBA record)
LeBron 8
Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (NBA record)
LeBron 1
Steals titles
Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)
LeBron 0
All Defensive First Teams
Jordan 9✔️ (tied most all time)
LeBron 5
Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
LeBron 0
Player Efficiency Rating
Jordan 1st all time✔️
LeBron 3rd all time
Points per game regular season
Jordan 30.12✔️ (1st all time)
LeBron 27.13
Points per game playoffs
Jordan 33.45✔️ (1st all time)
Lennox 28.24
3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
LeBron 35.2%
Seasons played
LeBron 21
Jordan 15
Jordan did more in less time and better player then LeBron anyday
Jordan better scorer, mid range shooter, free throw shooter, 3point shooter in playoffs and nba finals and better at steals and better defensive player then LeBron
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6-0 and 6 finals mvps only 1 all star teammate Scottie Pippen compare to LeBron 4-6 and 6 finals losses more all star teammates Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook
Jordan wins 17 rings with Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook
2011 NBA finals
Mavericks 4 Heat 2
LeBron 17 ppg
Outplayed by
J Terry 18 ppg
2011 NBA finals
Wade 26 ppg
Bosh 18 ppg
Jordan never CHOKED NBA finals like LeBron did 2011
Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo
2023 NBA playoffs
Nuggets 4 Lakers 0
LeBron got swept with Anthony Davis another top 75 player all time.
1 MJ 2 Kobe 3 Kareem 4 magic 5 duncan 6 steph 7 bird 8 bron 9 shaq 10 wilt
@@apthagreat28
Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday
Rings
Kareem 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 1
Finals Mvps
Kareem 2
Kobe 2
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Kareem 8✔️
Kobe 3
Points score
Kareem 38,387✔️
Kobe 33,643
Field goal%
Kareem 55.9%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol
Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol
Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂
Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps
Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
Duncan 3 finals mvps, 2 league mvps better player then Kobe 2 finals mvps and 1 league mvp
Greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
Please stop using MVP's look at Nash and jokic and you'll see it's just a who the media likes awards I'm not even gonna complain about your list but using media voted by bias media member awards is crazy
@@StackhouseJerry You know it’s bad when you have to bring up TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS😂. Compare the 2 players. You keep bringing up team accomplishments when we all know Scottie carried MJ in every stat category besides scoring in the finals.😂
LeBron surpassed MJ and Kobe in all time scoring in less shot attempts and has more game winning shots.
LBJ passed MJ in All-time scoring, assists, rebounds, blocks and all-time playoff stats.
LeBron has a higher FG%, 3pt%, better shooter, passer, rebounder, shot blocker, bigger, stronger, a BILLION times more athletic, longevity in a different universe, Higher basketball I.Q. Literally a better all around player according to the statistics.
Most All NBA selections, most all-star selections.
All time leading scorer will always be greater than 10 scoring titles touch grass.
MJ never won an assist title.
Larry Bird said LBJ is possibly the greatest player of all time and Bird owned MJ so his opinion is valid.
MJ couldn’t make it past 15 years despite retiring twice. LeBron played 21 years and averaged 25+ all 21 years and is still going.
LeBron is the youngest player to reach 10K, 20k, 30k, 40k points. Only player to reach 40k
LeBron is the only player to win finals MVP on 3 separate teams. Teams that were dead in the water before he got there.
Only player to lead both teams in all major stats in a finals series mean while Scottie lead MJ in every stat besides scoring.
98 Jazz scored 54 points in a finals game. MJ’s competition was straight ass. Any team LeBron faced in the finals would sweep MJ’s Bulls all 6 appearances.
MJ got swept in the 1st round at 23, LBJ won his conference at 23.
As many finals losses as MJ has wins and still has the 2nd most FMVPs in NBA history.
MJ didn’t have a winning season without Scottie, Never even made the finals without Scottie, Never won a championship without Scottie.
LBJ won without Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD.
Bulls won 55+ games without MJ and MJ came back and got bounced in the 2nd round which should tell you it’s a team sport.
MJ had a better championship run but LeBron James is the better overall player and those are facts.
Better year 21 stats than all year 21 players combined.
38yr old LBJ ranked 6th best player in the NBA. 38yr old MJ wasn’t top 10
39yr old LBJ was ranked the 9th best player in the NBA. 39yr old MJ wasn’t top 10.
1. LBJ
2.MJ
3.Kareem
4.Russell
5.Magic
Would you stop glazing for once and just go on he panel
Bron is better than both MJ and Kobe. It's not even close. Kobe shouldn't be in the GOAT conversation whatsoever.
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, 5 league mvps, 10 scoring titles, 9 all defense teams, 3 steals titles, 1 defensive player of year in 13 seasons better player then LeBum 3.5 rings, 3.5 finals mvps, 4 league mvps, 1 scoring title, 5 all defensive first teams, 0 steals titles, 0 defensive player of year in 22 seasons 🥱
I lean towards Bron as the GOAT, but I think it's close and boils down to splitting hairs. Why do you think it isn't even close?