STOP! You're stopping wrong! (probably)
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- "Always make sure your front wheel is steered straight ahead when stopping." Why do you need to do this? And do you really? Why do so many people not know the correct way to stop their motorcycle? It's actually rare to see a competent rider who knows how to properly and safely come to a stop. In this video I demonstrate what many people do wrong, talk about stopping your motorcycle properly, and demonstrate the braking technique that will allow you to come to a gentle and safe stop - even with your front wheel turned!
0:00 Intro
0:53 How Not To Stop
2:23 What You Should Do?
3:11 The Role of Suspension
3:54 Steer Straight When Stopping?
5:43 The Secret Braking Technique
8:27 Oops!
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Hello Scott, thanks for the video. When at a stop, foot on brake, in first gear and clutch pulled in. I also skew my position to one side of the lane in case I have to get out of the way for vehicle behind not stopping. When you're at a stop be checking mirror for that F250 approaching from behind and doesn't appear to be stopping in time. For any vehicle approaching I always flash the rear brake light. I also put on a second LED light because it can be seen much better. Also old school method was to apply rear brake first then front brakes. The Texas motorcycle handbook says to apply both front and rear brakes at the same time. And that question is on the written exam. I still feel comfortable putting on the brakes to old way. And look at where your putting your foot down for debris, gravel, oil etc. Pick a safe spot. Also brake preventive maintenance is not to be overlooked. Have a great day!
For sure, I wasn't covering actually stopping where/how, more about the technique of applying brakes when coming to a stop.
I should have mentioned that stopping in this way allows you to gently put your left foot on the ground once you come to a stop, keeping your right foot on the brake, bike in first gear, and clutch pulled in. Then to leave, you just let out the clutch, pick up your foot and go. I actually demonstrate that a couple of times in this video, but I didn't mention it specifically.
And for most Goldwings, front/rear is a moot point, as applying your rear also applies the front as well. That said, I always use both, simply because that's how I've always done it.
I find it interesting that the two-foot-down-stop seems to be a classic trope of GW, Harley and other Cruiser riders.
Maybe it’s due to the low seat height leading to this tempting (mis)behaviour… but you are absolutely correct: Right foot should always stay on the rear brake lever, pressing it if possible while the clutch is pulled.
On one hand it’s the best setup to get away quickly if you spot danger coming your way from any side.
Additionally, if you’re accidentially “nudged” from behind due to a distracted follower, foot-on-the-brake marks the difference between simply dropping the bike - or being thrusted into the vehicle in front (resulting in more damage and more serious injury).
This is exactly what I do as well. I always leave a pretty good distance betwixt myself and the vehicle in front of me and I always stop at probably 30-45 degrees so that I'm already pointed toward my escape route if some idiot comes up behind me and is too busy texting to pay attention to me on my bike (yes, it's happened at least twice that I can recall). All I need to do is give it some throttle and I'm straight out into the breakdown lane or at least off to the side of the vehicle in front of me so I don't get rear ended. I don't have to turn the bars to re-orient the bike for escape. It's just that much more time saved. I also will squeeze off a few rounds of brake lights as I see a vehicle coming up behind me. I am as proactive as I can possibly be to keep myself and my beautiful wife safe as we ride.
I've taught that braking technique for years in the trucking industry. Good to see it being taught to motorcycle riders! Good video!
Another advise (only if rear and front brakes are not interlinked) -> as soon as you slow down to walking speed, gently shift to rear-brake-only.
In essence:
- Front brake = Power braking
- Rear brake = Maneuver braking
Instead of compressing suspension, it stretches the bike geometry, giving you a slightly longer wheelbase and lower center of mass.
Additional plus: If you’re starting off right away (e.g. just stopping for a split-second to oversee a tricky intersection), your hands are completely free to operate clutch + throttle without fiddling with the front brake at all.
We called it "feathering the brake", a technique we learned in bus driving school, enabling us to brake hard yet keep the standing passengers standing ! Works well on the bike too, as you demonstrated !! It helps to have a defined stopping point when practicing the perfect "zero brake pressure at zero mph" stop.
When in an emergency there is not always time to stop in your controlled way!!
Practice panic stops ✋️ too!! High and low speed!!
Emergency stops are not long planned stops without rebound. I stop all different ways to see how the bike reacts!! I have several bikes.....all bikes react differently. Good info Scott.....good after all these years your still thinking and care!! Most folks in a panic situation lock up the rear wheel......lots of riders are afraid of the front brake. I use the front most often! Rear rarely unless a long high speed stop and want a little extra!!
Ride On Brother!! Good Video!! 👌
Rick
You're 100% about front brake fear! I'm the opposite, I'm all over the front brake. I recall a panic stop I had to make at a rural intersection a few years ago when I realized that cross traffic was not slowing and was going to run a red light. At maximum braking I actually locked my front wheel for an instant (maybe from tar snake? I don't know) but I did release and recover without losing it, or getting T-boned. But excellent advice practicing panic stops. Nothing wrong with full brake to a stop, just as I demonstrated in this video - just make SURE you are steering straight when doing it!
@@GoldwingDocs I am 100% front brake also.....my bikes go through front brakes mostly....rear brakes last me forever!! I thought I made that clear! Other riders tend to go for rear brakes first or only!!
@@cycleguy666 I have an use almost 100% front brake. The exceptions at while cornering and when I need more than the front brake. On takeoff as soon as power reaches the drivetrain (before the bike moves) I pick up my feet. while waiting at a light I try to balance the bike with no feet. The longest on my 08 Wing is about 3 sec. on a bicycle 30 min,
Great video! What a timely video for me. I just got a 03 goldwing last week and I been having trouble stopping smoothly. Now I want to get on my bike and practice. Thank you.
Love this video you are 100% right. A lot of people need to practice this exercise. Thank you!
Nice info. I'm sure you helped a lot of folks with this VLOG. finesse braking is worth all the practice, especially with a passenger.
I try to practice those slow speed stops and slow speed turning so I'm comfortable with the weight of the bike and riding it slowly
Hello Scott, only problem with what your saying is people have a tendency to only the front brakes. At low speeds (anything below 15Mph) front brakes are a BIG no-no! A better way to do this is to apply both front and rear brakes at the same time when approaching a stop, as you approach 15 mph or 20 mph for that matter, you want to gradually release the front brake so that you have control of the handlebars and use only the rear brake to come to a complete stop. This is much smoother and requires less effort to control the bike! I also ride a GL 1500 and I've practice this many many times over the course of my rides. And let me tell you below 15 mph that rear brake is a lot more effective than using front brakes alone at holding the bike upright when coming to a stop.
yes! this is exactly what I was about to say. Finish off the regular, normal stop with the rear brake thereby lessening front fork rebound.
@@redwing2001 not only does is lessen the front for rebound the rear brake offers slow speed control of the bike. Front brake is a BIG no-no during slow speed manuvers, when your below 15 mph rear brake only. Both brakes down to that point. It's a lot easier to trail off the front brake if your already using both rather than trying to transition from one to the other. Remember your maximum stopping power comes from using both together.
I have been riding about 45 years, I probably did everything in your video at one time or another, I always stopped the bike in some matter, never had a problem stopping.
Thanks Scott... love your videos. It's good to know that I'm breaking correctly.
Great video. I own a Victory Vision Tour. Stopping and starting smoothly and other similar slow speed maneuvers is by far the most challenging on motorcycles of this genre'. The secret is technique and practice, practice, practice. You cannot do it with muscle no matter how strong you are. Approach a stop strategically and let the bike do the work. Finesse the controls! Keep up the great work.
Scott is a brilliant in Goldwing world. Thanks for your work!
Another great video, Scot! I've been riding for over 50 years, now at the tender age of 70. I acquired my 94 Wing two years ago and it has definitely made me a better rider. It's smooth as butter at speed and it's handling has amazed me. But, as you state, low speed with 900 lbs has to be taken seriously. I've developed the habit of only using two fingers on my front brake. I do this with all three of my bikes. When stopping I apply the front brake lightly pulling slightly harder and harder and then come to full stop with my rear brake to avoid front suspension compression. It's become brain and muscle memory to keep the front wheel straight. As you state, the weight of the Wing on rebound can possibly put it down. Again, many thanks for all the great videos and I am very pleased to be subscribed to Gold Wing docs. Please keep up the great work1
Just keep in mind that your rear brake pedal still actuates one of your front calipers, so even just using your back brake, you're going to get front suspension compression.
@@GoldwingDocs yes sir I do remember that. I've always applied the rear when I'm almost stopped. As a buyer of used bikes I've seen so many cases where the rear pads were almost gone while the front pads had twice as much life left. I do know some riders "trail brake" way too heavily and far to often. There are so many crash videos I've watched, especially in sharp curves, where I do believe that's what "got em". Again, thank you!
Not being able to stop and not caring about traffic laws should not be confused as the same thing. I can come to a full stop with me feet up, and I regularly California stop with my feet up. I'll not argue that a large portion of riders have stopping problems, but just because they don't stop at a stop sign doesn't mean they can't - it just means traffic laws don't matter much to them ( see also freedom). Thanks for your content, the information and technical analysis is always on point, keep it up!
Put enough time in the seat U will figure it out....weekend riders never will figure it out.....stay healthy Good Luck 👍
Always interesting and informative!
More practice for me, sometimes left comes down nice and easy, but not all the time. I just keep working on it 🙂
So cool. This is exactly how I ride and have for 40ish years and it bugs me everybody doesn't stop and start this way. Even long time riders. I think it makes riders look like newbies when they don't stop and start this way
As they say: some riders have 40 years experience, while others have one year of experience repeated 40 times. I'm working hard to be the former of the two.
Ive dirt biked all my life and have great clutch control. But when buying my new Africa Twin opted for DCT transmission. It makes these stop and go situations so easy and smooth it becomes redicously easy. I never expected a scooter tran to be so dominant in so many ways. Well done Honda!
Good stuff, Scott. What I've been doing for years when I stop is working on my slow speed skills at every stop sign (when possible). I come to a gradual stop and then use my throttle, brake, and friction zone to keep the bike upright without putting my feet down. I can typically keep my bike perfectly upright for a few seconds without ever having to put my feet down, which is long enough for me to check traffic and then proceed.
I just got my first Wing two weeks ago and my slow speed skills suck on it. The throttle and clutch are MUCH more sensitive than my 1500 Suzuki Boulevard C90T, and so I find myself feeling like a first day student at an MSF course. I'm getting better but I'm still struggling a bit. I must admit that I've had to drag my feet a few times as I'm getting a better feel for that big girl. The physics are the same, as are the mechanics. It's the finesse of the pilot that needs work! 😄
Good tips! It didn't take me too long to learn to keep the wheel straight. A few close calls and eventual lay-overs taught me real quick. Lately, I've learned to do this with my right foot only due to some left-side sciatica/lumbar issues I'm having and keeping the wheel straight is key. Of course, good balance helps too, which makes me wonder how I'm doing it! 😆
Nice job.
Great video… I happens be small guy, short legs… I do often practice to deal wit my Goldwing, i almost dump my bike on uneven grounds. So practice to balance the bike after stop. I’m pretty good at it and people impressed how handle big bikes. ( wait…. Let me go around the corner take a sign breath!!!!) okay… hey… I’m 67 and still riding !! We all need keep taking 101 practice regardless!! Time to time for safety sake.
Very good stuff, thank you!
Awesome Scott, thanks for your great tips, appreciate you!!!
Great explanation!
Came from your ABS video, I have an elite but it's all the same! 😂
I ride 2 up most of the time and the extra weight makes coming to a light one foot stop on a 900 lb bike difficult. I’ve found braking hard the last 3-5 mph and Planting both feet down keeps me more stable. If I’m on my Zuma or Burgman I can easily stop with one foot down and slow/steady braking. Now my spyder f3 is another story. I can tap my head, rub my belly blindfolded while stomping on the brakes and never drop the thing🤣
It's not that it's difficult - it's just that it's different. You have to adjust your internal calibration to account for the extra weight - but it can be done, consistently, with practice.
Good job buddy
Livng now as I do in America I have had the benefit of learning and experiancing my Bike test in both UK and USA. In the UK this is all taught or at least was by my teacher. In America one guy testing with me fell off twice during the test and still passed. I see motorcyclists in this country often put both feet down and drag their feet behind them when moving off. I saw one fella break his ankle doing that on a Voyager. He ran over his own foot with his rear crash bar. Passing your test simply means you are ready to practise alone but practise you must and after 40 years of riding I am still practising everyday. I think the best advice I've had in recent years is to postion yourself when stopping so you are far enough back and a little off to one side or the other and have an escape planned then watch your mirrors for the car driver on his phone behind you.. I fear being rear ended by anyone other than the wife.
Also that Joey Pallodino down in Florida rides a bike better than I've ever seen anyone ride. He's worth a watch.
Thank you
There is another point to make a was taught this by my motorcycle instructor before I passed my bike test.
That is when you come to a stop or when you are waiting waiting at a junction, remember to keep your foot on the footbrake .
This is because if someone rear ends you at speed its less likely that your motorcycle will be push up into the air and you fall off or worse push you forward past the junction into oncoming traffic!
You can't see it in this video, but that's exactly what I'm doing here. And, keep it in first gear, with clutch in, and watch your rearview mirrors. So if someone is coming up behind you and not stopping, you can jet out of there quickly and prevent the rear end collision in the first place.
I couldn't help but want to see if you knew about that which you speak.
Just so folks know, you DO.
Kudos!
well. I'd prefer to put my legs on the ground as soon as possible while stopping with the passenger on the backseat, because the passenger can move the way it breaks the balance, that I'm sufe of when riding solo.
Where can I find a left hand side wind deflector I just need the plastic peace with the top screw the mount bar is still on the bike
My problem with starting and stopping isn't so much generated by myself, but the cagers in front of me. I tend to look beyond them to keep an eye on the general traffic flow, but the clown in front of me may decide he wants 3 car lengths between himself and the car in front of him, hence, my braking distance is shortened. If they are the first car in line at an intersection, they may decide to go out 10 feet and stop to check for traffic again, while I see it's clear and roll onto the throttle. (That cost me $500 once to repair the paint chip in her rear bumper! Never mind the damaged front fender on my bike!) Damn cagers!
Did you disable your anti-dive valve to illustrate the point in this video? Cause I have the same bike as you and my front forks don’t sink at all no matter how hard I grab the front brakes.
Hi Scott, thank you for your awesome and helpful videos. I’ll be picking up my 1996 Goldwing SE in a couple of days. I noticed in the video that you can easily flat foot with your left leg as you come to a full stop. I know you’ve got the Corbin seat on your Goldwing and it lowers the seat. What is your height and inseam? I am 5’6” with a 29” inseam. The Goldwing I’m getting has the stock driver seat. Thank you.
I have a 34 inch inseam - long legs, but my knees are bent when my feet are flat on the ground on my bike.
Thank you for your prompt response! Do you think I can gain about two inches by shaving off the stock seat? I’m also thinking of getting a pair of thick soled boots.
You never specified front or foot brake or both for stopping. I see alot of videos on it and wondering what you think? 🤔
Always both! Also keep in mind that on most Goldwings, the rear foot brake also actuates the front brakes.
You trail brake.. Just to a complete stop vs into a corner...
Also what seat is that??
Trail braking on a Goldwing also actuates the front brake, so you still have front suspension compression even just using the rear brake pedal.
The seat is a Corbin. Best motorcycle seat I've ever had.
@@GoldwingDocs ive heard its a 60/40 split, so it should be mostly rear still? Why would it be such a bad idea (online says so) to install a normal rear master, and connect both fronts to the handlebar?
Getting a Rune and I ain't stopping anything hahaha OG SS gone.....
Anyone else notice what the unskilled riders had in common?
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I guess this is true if you're driving half a car instead of a bike.
Duck walking the bike is always wrong and dangerous with starting and stopping.
Don't do it!!
Ｐ𝐫Ｏ𝕞Ｏ𝓢ｍ 💋
Sometimes I stretch my leg out before it stops it's not the fear of the bike tipping over it's just the leg stretch
I have rode for many years without CZcams. Through those years I never put much thought in to stopping technique; I just stopped and never had an issue.
Lately I have seen several instruction videos on stopping, which now has me thinking technique almost every time I stop, which I’m not sure is helpful.
I’ve learned for me the best technique is the one that feels most comfortable, safe, and stable (for me). I usually stop by putting just my left foot down with the right on the back brake, but sometimes I stop however I want to if it feels safe and stable.