In My Honest Opinion - Trophies and Achievements Suck!
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2021
- Trophies and Achievements are something that I haven't been a fan of since their implementation. With Sony's internal clock possibly bricking future consoles it's time for me to talk about this.
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After getting 44 platinum trophies, I got back to play some games with my 3DS and also started playing more with my Switch, and I noticed I was enjoying the games much more without having to worry about missable external achievements. When I started playing with my PS5 again, I disabled trophies notifications and set my privacy preferences so no one can check my game activity and my trophies.
I’m a happy gamer again, and now I like replaying games I already 100% just for the sake of it, and I don’t spoil myself checking missable trophies.
So yeah, this “gamification of games” is really stupid.
I used to get trophies. Now I stopped getting them because they want you to do impossible things like beat a game in 1 sitting or beat the game with 1 life.. Things that are not possible. Now I'll just play a game and beat it. Whatever trophy pops up during my play through those are the ones I get. I don't try to platinum things anymore.
Is not impossible maybe you don’t have the patience or will to put it into the work and challenge yourself. Which is fine. Trophies are challenges not a cakewalk normally.
@@Drakevid I don't have time to get all the trophies or achievements. I work 5 days a week at Amazon. I start work at 6am to 12:30pm. So that means I have to be in bed by 9-10pm. I just don't have time to do all that. I just beat games once & move on.
@@tonyp9313huh? You work 6 hours a day. You have plenty of time for games.
@@user-ih9oh4rr4pBig Win
@@Drakevid It IS impossible
The fact that we live in this day and age, where you could easily google the solution to most things makes the achievement system a joke. You cant even tell if somebody actually earned those achievements by his/her own effort or just looked it up somewhere, which makes them pointless really.
Looking up something online doesn't make you achieve it on your console. You still have to play to get that trophy.
Not really, if a trophy asks you to beat the game a certain way on a certain difficulty you can go on the internet and you're not going to get good at the game on its own anyway. If you mean collectibles, well, you can search online and what does it matter? In the end, the lore of the game feeds you. You've probably never tried to platinum a difficult game that requires skills, not patience.
@@niemand7811 it makes your trophys more meaningless none the less.
@@DrakevidUh no it’s a yes really
@@DrakevidUh no. You don’t need to get good at a game. All you need to do is just have fun.
Achievements cause the mind to become addicted to taking pleasure in finishing something rather than doing it. That's why you feel burnout when playing games. You don't want to participate in the process, you just want to get to the end and get the reward. When I stopped worrying about getting achievements my ability to play games and enjoy it came back. It's like an addiction. If you don't believe it, try to stop.
I feel like that too and trying to snap out from being too obsessed with trophy hunting. Having OCD, it’s making it difficult but I am trying…
@@nickywan123 I'm right there with ya. I have adhd(the inattentive type) and ocd. My adhd meds make me be able to concentrate better, but one side effect is it can make me very one track minded. Combine that with ocd and trophies and the journey to getting trophies sometimes isn't even fun anymore. I think in the system settings of my ps5 that I can disable trophies popping up on my screen though so I may give that a shot.
I think I might sell my entire Playstation collection just to stop hunting
100% true. I've got 150 platinums now I've given up & I'm enjoying gaming so much more playing how I want to, I never look at the list now or check them when they pop. I'm loving gaming gain
You'll be able to enjoy games much more without the silly trophies.
I'm someone who likes getting trophies and platinums for games I really like. They have changed my perception on games for better or for worse. I almost always aim to get the platinum trophy as I beat the game which has lead me to have great experiences like with Gravity Rush 1 and 2 or Persona 5 Royal and not so great like Nier for PS3, the material grind to upgrade every single weapon definitely killed the momentum and the impact the endings had on me. And whenever I play on my PS2 I feel like I'm not getting much out of the games just because they don't have trophies.
On a second note I've been playing on my PS3 recently and it really sucks that I won't ever be able to get the platinum trophies for games with online components because the servers are all closed. I love F.E.A.R 2 for example, but it has online trophies and the servers were been shut down years ago 😢
@@Wolfnicshadow Trophies can be a bit of a double edged sword. I’m glad they make you happy. Maybe they shouldn’t include online trophies since the removal of the servers prevents you from getting them.
Trophies suck
@@firemonger5409 why, if you dont like them dont get them, no one is forcing you to beat a game on the hardest difficulty, just showing appreciation to the people that can
I started gaming again this year on PS5 and Steam after an almost 20-year break. My last console had been the PS1 and then I played something old on PC once in a while when gaming wasn't even called "gaming" in my country yet. I didn't even know trophies came to existence in the meanwhile, and I find them sooo stupid and pointless. I couldn't care less and totally ignore them because, YES, it feels like a manipulation to make you stick to the games longer than you'd like to. I'm not a completionist and often even have to force myself to complete the main story of a game, as I'm very sensitive to repetition and get bored quickly of the same gameplay, so my answer to achievements is a big middle finger. And my profiles are private on both PS Network and Steam. The advantages of being a bit older and a bit more respectful of my own time and priorities, I suppose. But I know a ton of younger folks fall in these traps and it makes me quite sad.
It’s a shame some people do fall for these traps. Here’s hoping they implement a feature to allow players the ability to shut off trophy notifications/viewing them and just let them enjoy the games they play.
@@SonicMTD yeah, I turned off the pop-up notifications but I'm still annoyed by having that screen saying "27%" after I got to the end credits... I used to think that end credits meant I just finished the game 😆 And I want to stick to that habit which I fin so much healthier.
They were dumb to begin with. My earliest feelings towards their inclusion was to create a form of obsessive compulsive disorder, distract you from playing other games until you achieved what you perceived to be something you could fear and miss out on. Never crossed my mind to be self conscious of my progress. But you are right, there will be those players.
You nailed the disturbing bit about the CMOS battery. It has transformed into some unholy beast. I am disappointed that the greater gaming community isn't ragging on Sony in particular to address and update their software to solve the CMOS issue with the DRM and eventual closing of servers. Anything digital becomes lost. As a fighting game fan that is very worrisome.
Years later and Evo is still run by Sony.
Me: HEY SONY! I LOVE FIGHTING GAMES. YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT TO PLAY? STREET FIGHTER V, TEKKEN 7, SOUL CALIBUR, DOA ETC. YOU TELLING ME 3/4 OF THE ROSTER IS UNPLAYABLE!? THIS A BAD LOOK FOR YOU!
A lot of great points in this post. I was trying to imply an OCD mindset in this video and I hope it rang through.
Honestly I almost didn’t talk about the CMOS battery. I was in the process of finishing the script when the news broke.
I’m actually in the process of making a video on the problems with the online marketplace; How games are being sold to us piece by piece and how all DLC should be given to players freely if a company is no longer going to give support to the game/taking away the ability to purchase it.
@@SonicMTD Games being sold piece by piece. I think an important point worth mentioning is how the gaming consumers have subtly okayed this practice. In those early days who didn't want to give the projects more time to become something better? Going back to my fighting game background, it is welcome because it means a refined product that I can enjoy across more years.
However, you are right. the lifespan of a game has increased so much that DLC has become perverted. No longer just mere optional add ons. They've become planned and devised ways of experiences that can be missed out on. Fighting games again but the average player plays 6 of the 30 characters at most. Digital action figures that people don't realize they're collecting like when they were younger.
FPS stages, weapons, skins is a whole other beast that requires online to fully enjoy. Each genre has some method of squeezing us out of our time and money. Back to the backburner of games I go.
@@Toomnyusernae using an example from fighting games (since I occasionally play Soul Calibur) locking characters behind DLC Paywalls in a competitive fighting game is pants on head insane to me.
There are times where DLC works (a la Witcher 3: Blood and Wine) but I’ve noticed a lot of features that would have been thrown in pre-online store are now paid. It feels like we’re paying more for less of a game.
@@SonicMTD I want to give fighting games a half pass but it's becoming increasingly difficult.
I'll use Mortal Kombat as an example. They churned out a lot of garbage characters in the past so you never really know who you're going to get. They make a story with a handful of characters and newcomers to make their story work. Can't possibly put in everybody. Their universe has characters that die and get brought back which is also distinctly NRS. No other fighting game has that luxury. But, Mileena? I dunno how to feel about that one. NRS is lucky that they've consistently released a Komplete version when they're done with a game. That is their saving grace.
Soul Calibur though. Wasn't Tira one of the ones who is DLC? I haven't seriously played a Soul Cal game since PS2 and I own all of them so far (sobs).
The only real way to combat the fighting game prices is to play off rhythm. Play the previous fighting game while everybody is doing their thing with the new one. The game will be cheap enough so that when you actually get everything it'll be worthwhile. Destroy that fear of missing out.
Thank Japan for still insisting on hard copy games as well as digital. That's changing though. Everything leaning towards digital to the point second hand shops / trading or Gamespot / EB games are gonna go out of business.
You want to hear a horror story, I came across a youtuber gamer whose Xbox 360 games (he has physical copies) were rendered useless and unplayable until he bought into Gamepass on the newer consoles. Absolutely diabolical.
What were we talking about again? Right. "It's just an empty cup." ~ Hudson Hornet
@@Toomnyusernae yup Tira is indeed DLC in the new game and so is that flag girl from SC4. I already don’t buy games at launch anymore. In fact a lot of the games I get are on loan from my local library. I make too little at my full time job to afford anything other than rent and food.
I just find it evil how games don’t have permanence anymore. I was around to see the changing of the guard and the people who stepped in are making everything worse.
Great video, I don’t like Trophies/Achievements either.
Thank you. Glad you liked it!
I totally agree, I usually ignore those, I just wanna enjoy the game man, I don't need achievements.
Easier said than done for me. I have to stop and ask why am I doing this? If the answer is to get a trophy I stop what I’m doing.
Achievement have make playing video games into a chore.
Right? That’s one of the points I tried making.
@@SonicMTD
Now days I try to play a game and ignore the achievements all together and after I'm done with the main story, I MIGHT try to unlock the easy ones, but sadly I can't help but feel I'm missing something for not unlocking them... what a horrible sensation that one.
Yeah, that is true that is one of the reasons what I do not like about achievements in video games since they can make them feel like a chore!
I didn’t know I needed this video, thank you.
Glad I could help! :3
I have been telling my short story with achievements to other youtubers, so I think I should share with you too, buddy :)
Well, I gave up on the platinum of the Retroachivements for God of War 1, for the PS2 (yes, people nowadays are making achievements for ps2 emulators, very interesting, no? And for some reason I tought for a moment that this would be a good idea...).
There is a trio of trophies there that require you to play the entire game on very hard difficulty with zero upgrades. Needless to say, literally only 1% of players got it.
It sounded fun to do at first, and it REALLY was a fun run. While hunting these achievements, I felt like I was on a whole new adventure, learning to fight the monsters the way the game intended the player to, learning the enemy's movements, instead of only Kratos's. Neat stuff. It was refreshing, imersive, and highlighted the game's strongest points, as a trophy hunt should be. But then.. right at the end, the Clones fight came on, and EVERYTHING started shattering.
I spent 15 in-game hours attempting this Clones fight without upgrades, through the course of 4 days, with every attempt costing around 5 to 6 minutes max (the whole fight has around 10-12 minutes). It ruined the challenge for me completely, because this part of the game alone was NOT EVEN close to the difficulty I had through the rest of the game, including the rest of the achievements. It was just unfair, and RNG based. All the strats I researched (and there's like, only one possible that everyone does, which is saying something, don't you think?), point to the RNG path, where everything MUST align perfectly, or else things falls apart.
On the fourth day of attempts, something strange hapenned: I stopped being angry, and started being Bored out of my mind. "Repetition made the process unbereable", this phrase describes my life with achievements.
So I felt free to just leave this platinum behind, and with that, my will to trophy hunt as a whole. Suddenly, all my negativity and tireness accumulated on those four days were gone, and I felt much better imediatly.
Throughout my gaming life, I think I never platinum not even 10 games, and at the end of every one of them I always felt the same: "I'm distancing myself from what the game means to me, it became a bunch of mechanics, and not a storytelling device anymore." So, I never had a good experience with trophy hunting, it always showed the worst side of games that I love to me.
This is my story with it, but I don't have any hate for it. Hell, I even love trophy hunting youtube channels, it's interesting to see people putting out content with their platinum journeys. It's something that's just not for me.
Let's just say that I play games for a different reason, and I decided to keep it that way. I do love challenging games, don't get me wrong. But the challenge needs to have something to do with the narrative somehow. For me, Games are about discovery, emotion, charm, music, narrative.
Loving trophies/achievements is one thing, being dependent on it is another.
You can still just enjoy a game for what it is and move on with your life.
If it becomes a social currency it is your fault if it makes you feel bad.
Well done. This is so accurate!!
Definitely a bad blow with a game structure, maybe the worst, and the fact that it looks sweet is the underlying factor of every poison...
The best practice that can be done as a solution can be as follows... all the reward registration system added to the person's account can be deleted and transferred to the playstation own store and used as an avatar and theme from that store with the scores collected in-game...
But let's be careful, it is definitely not a score system registered to the player's main account, it should be more like credits and expendable, it should not stay registered there forever and not cause obsessive compulsive disorder...
Wow, great video! That was super interesting, and I learned some thing I didn't know! Keep up the good work. :)
Thank you so much! I noticed your feedback on the Reddit thread so I’ll send you a response on my lunch break. :3
Yeah I definitely have to agree...hate to sound like an old man, but thanks to achievements in gaming it's becoming less about playing a game for fun and moreso playing a game to satisfy the urge to complete it. Never mind that some of these achievements can be really terrible (one of the more modern games has an achievement where you literally have to be the #1 player in the world including beating all people who play competitively in esports). It's honestly the reason why that I look at games today as more like a project to take on rather than playing it because I'm enjoying it.
Either way it's still a good video and hope you are doing well and staying safe. Hopefully we can catch up when the pandemic is over.
I’d love to catch up after the pandemic. For the time being I hope you’re keeping safe.
@@SonicMTD Yeah I'm keeping safe. I actually started a new job and my last day was today after working for the same company for 5 years. It's definitely going to be a big opportunity and I'm looking forward to starting the new one.
Hope things are doing well for you and I look forward to catching up once things have normalized since it's been more than a year since we hung out.
Great video! Thanks for the insights! :)
i tried to get a platinum for watchdogs 2, because it had tons of easy bronze and silver trophies. However after a while grinding in the world, i couldnt play anymore. It was just got so super exhausting.
I know that feel. I gave up on the 1st Deus Ex game. All I had left was to get all the data logs but it was just too monotonous.
Okay so apart from changing the the psychology of going for platinums I hate them for another reason.
Getting 100% in a game should be achieved in game, do all the side missions, get 3 stars on every mission etc. that stuff to me is completely fine and going for that should be a persons choice and maybe get a platinum for that.
What I hate is how plats are not consistent and they are seemingly random and to me are completely arbitrary. If I 100% a game and finish everything the creators intend but now I have to go to a random place and jump up and down 300 times just because, that's completely meaningless. Some plats require you to finish the game on the hardest difficulty, some don't... So dumb to me.
100% should be what a plat is, not whatever they are.
I'll never take plats seriously and it hurts that people strive so hard for them. Though I still have respect for people that have spent the time.
The only games I've platinumed are all Sony first party games. Both Horizon games, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and Day's Gone. They were all pretty fun to plat and not really too tedious. I tried to plat GOW 2018 but the map is horrible and I gave up.
That’s impressive. I didn’t bother trying to platinum GOW. It was too much for me.
Excellent video once again, and I definitely agree that they should be removed if they brick a system like that, that is bloody awful
Thank you Greg! Glad you liked it. :3
Trophies are a dumb feature , its force you to complete a game and not to enjoy the experience , i love crash tag team racing in PS2 era and enjoyed a lot , do 100% and get all caracters , or cheat in GTA San Andreas and dont care about the story missions thats FUN .
Today in PS4 era you have to force to get dumb collectables , grind and online tedious trophies im stuck in 84% in rdr 2 and i gave up the mvp and level 50 are just trash , i have just 3 plats and i dont want to get more its just sickning doing this stuff
If it’s manageable and fun to get then I go for trophy’s or steam achievements. If it’s play the game 5-6 times and get perfect scores then hell no. They’ve gotten so annoyingly tough that it takes the fun out of it.
Nintendo agrees with you. I remember years ago in the Wii gen they were asked in an interview why they wont have achievements like the Xbox 360 and they said they act of playing the game itself should be why someone is playing a game not trying to a gain a digital award.
I think they ruin games. The negative effect they have outweighs the positive in my opinion. For years I actively or subconsciously change my playstyle to cater to gathering achievements. Which makes me play less for fun and more for how the achievements require me to play.
I have a completionest mindset even if I don't 100% a game. I hate missing things or leaving loose ends. So its hard for me to ignore achievements even to this day when I'm fully aware that they are pointless. The point of games is to have fun, admire the world, enjoy the game mechanics, get immersed, etc. Playing for fun will skip a lot of achievements.
P.S. I'm playing dishonored 2 for the first time right now. And I'm not even thinking about achievements, I'm just playing casually even tho the story is lame and copies the first game but thats a topic of its own
@@Mote. sorry to hear Dishonored 2 isn’t as enjoyable but at least you’re playing to just enjoy the game.
@@Mote.. Turn off all notifications for achievements and stop visiting hunting websites like Xbox Achivements or subs like the Achievements sub. You can do this if I could. I learned that it was an addiction to me and it killed my love of gaming for a long time. Do this and also don't look at your list. You will enjoy gaming a lot more. You mentioned Dishonored 2. What if you could play it however you wanted to ? No "complete a level undetected" BS or whatever.
As a ps3, psvita, ps4, ps5 trophy hunter finally I found a video like this. I just got a gaming PC and I'm a lot happier not caring about trophies and just playing and finishing a game.
I’m glad you were able to escape. I sometimes get pulled back into hunting for trophies and I hate it.
@@SonicMTD not really my back logs still linger and im still bothered by it and not getting trophies on pc feels bad sometimes and there's this feeling of emptyness finishing a game not getting platinum
@@richardyamato The struggle is real. You have my sympathy.
exactly, no one talks about this enough.
1% phone about to die to make it quick, each their own, I think you should have the option to not have trophies but that’s also annoying since you know you don’t have them. Personally I have two accounts one, where I go for them another where I just play without much care.
Having the ability to shut Trophies off on your own personal account would be amazing. Thanks for the idea.
I am so sick achievment as well
I just miss fun cheats. San Andreas. Fkying cars. Peds riot. Everyone is Elvis
Yeah… it seems the only time you’ll get cheats is if it’s paid dlc.
I just dislike the frikin collectibles you always need a guide for but love the challenges
This sounds more like a "I have a addictive personality that forces me to obsess over things" problem rather than a "This is a thing that is ruining gaming problem".
I also feel like a lot of people only had a problem with this once someone else had a problem with it, or it is yet another case of overthinking.
It really isn't this deep psychology hold that has gamers in a twist.
It isn't that deep.
Feel like psychology has made us into a society that makes us look at even the simplest of things are predatory when they really. aren't.
That's more an issue with psychology, then anything else; but still.
I stopped trophy collecting when I realised you couldn't even view them offline. They are literally only social thingummybobs
Well as Nintendo player I always hate the thing why we don't got any trophies and achievements but now I really don't care I only focus on the game story than completation
This is the way.
I only 💯 games if they are good and fun. And if its manageable.
Good strategy. For me I have to remind myself of this. It’s easy to go on autopilot.
how to make achievements feel actually gratifying to get:
get rid of all the "progression" and "random obscure action" achievements, and only have ones that require you to do actual challenges to get
Getting rid of the “collect all the things” achievements goes a long way for my sanity.
When I started play games with trophies, I went for the random trophies; but now I just play the game as if I enjoy it and whatever trophies I get I get.
Mostly story related sure, but some side stuff like tournament stuff or a collection trophy that I naturally find all the stuff of.
Nier automata had better trophy system, I enjoyed it a lot actually developers said, wait you loved the game so you want the rest of the trophies??? If you don't have time we have an secret place to buy rest of the trophies, only 4 left, which i bought them at the end and finish the one more ending and got the trophy, this is how the trophies suppose to work
Not like gta 5, collect like 50 evidence
50 ridiculous annoying jump
Find 30 nuclear waste in slow ass submerine, fly sharp knife, or there's another stupid trophy which wants to earn 70 gold medals, fuck this trophy designs, i have a life to take care of
Huh, I’m going to have to look into that.
My only issue is when the system is broken and its impossible to get an achievement, its an achievement for money sinking or when its tied in some way to game progression, outside of it, achievements are 100% opt in and they have 0 impact on your game if you dont like them.
People that are jerks about their achievements are just as insuferable as people on the other side that are jerks to people that like them. It isnt an achievement issue, its a person issue.
If you like them, want to have a badge, prove your skill or whatever else, its ok, its also ok if you dont care at all about them.
One thing that i really hate about them is that you cant just delete them, tough.
I hate trophies now because of the gatekeeping and elitism in gamers who put down others on these tracking sites, it's not important to enjoying a game, took me a decade to realize it but as an older adult it makes it less fun.
Most definitely. I think one of the reasons why I still enjoy a lot of my favorite games is because I never cared about trophies.
I really hate achievements/trophies. We are already playing a videogame, there was no need to gamify it even further. One of the best things I have ever done was to turn off steam notifications when I get a new achievement.... this has improved my enjoyment SO much
Now if only we can do it for PlayStation and Xbox.
I remember when games were games and not things to do to achieve "something". Today people are mostly not even gamers. They are mere trophy hunters. Today I wish I could simply deactivate trophies or game scores and just play the games without any achievements running in the background.
I love High on Life. An awesome FPS adventure. The game tells me I still need to get 32%. 32% in terms of what? Some trophies are hidden or secrets the game won't even tell me until I achieved them.
Otherwise I do enjoy the game itself and did everything I could except I'm still missing some loot boxes as for me I can not figure out where they are located. Maybe I go and try to find them since I beat the game properly already.
But if I can not, I just replay the game itself.
How do you define “gamers”?
Legit curious, cause there are many different kinds of people who play games.
Also I’m in agreement on the whole deactivating trophies part. I find on the development side trophies are a quick and dirty way of not having to put in more content.
Even when there were no trophies, people still did random things and went as far to achieve things.
Think about it in terms of a game that came out when trophies weren't a thing getting a remake or remaster with trophies, people did the things in the original game that would've gotten them trophies.
Trophies are never implemented properly by developers because they are used as a substitute for game content. Make a puzzle then put the collectible inside a room you can access only afterwards. Don't just hide them so you need a guide. That ruins fulfilment.
(Nods)
I definitely have stopped playing certain games after trying for an achievement. I don’t think I’ll ever play them again.
how do you feel embarrassed about low trophies, that just doesn't make sense, who gets embarrassed by looking at someones trophy list. and you say "making you" get these ridiculously difficult achievements, but no one's making you. you get them if you want them, if you don't want them, don't get them, the point is you earn them, you might as well just get some software to insta give you all the achievements then, no one is forcing you, if you just want to play a game, just play the game. a lot of people love achievements, the exact point is its difficult or you have to do something you wouldn't normally do. the dark souls games, you have to grind attempts at bosses, but that's mandatory to progress unlike achievements, would you say that's worse then. some achievements can change the entire way you play a game. and you wanna know the best part, you don't got to do them if you don't want to. I can guarantee you, no one except yourself is looking at your trophy list like that.
Sorry but this seems like a you problem. No one forces you to go for all the trophies
Nice video I'm platinum hunter I like to collect platinum trof
Just go back to PS2 and enjoy games again. It will change the brain chemistry back again. Then you can play the newer titles without giving the trophies a thought.
I’ll give it a try. Most people on this channel want me to review new games.
I do think unlocking the armor in Halo 3 via achievements was fun. When you saw someone with a certain armor piece you knew what they've done to obtain it.
But Halo Reach's way of using credits made things more accessible for people who wanted to look a certain way without being gated behind a specific task.
If it wasn’t for trophies I’d probably only play fifa and cod lmao
If you dont like trophies, dont get them.
I disagree. Trophies are cool. The option is always there for you not to get them
Filtered.