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Piano Tuning. How to tune your own piano to a professional standard. Quick & Easy.
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Learn how to tune a piano yourself.
This video tutorial shows how to tune a piano like it is tuned by ear. We use the piano tuning software: "Dirk's Piano Tuner". This tuning software records and analyzes the piano. It then calculates the optimal tuning with the right stretch specifically for your piano. No need to check intervals and listen to beat counts anymore. The software takes care of all these complex tuning tasks.
The current tuning software supports both Mac OS and Windows. Check out our website www.dirksprojects.com for a trial copy of Dirk’s Piano Tuner and further details on the supported operating systems.
I almost had a heart atack when I saw the price of the software.
1:13 My family when they're listening me playing
Why am I watching this? I don’t even have a piano.
I finished tuning my Grand Piano for the very first time yesterday...Very excited about what i did...it sounds perfect now..It took me about 4 hours and I think I did good for the first time...I thought it was going to be a guy job kind of thing but I did it easily( with a little bit of challenge on couple keys) ...I have another piano which I am going to tune tomorrow...Thanks for your help and advises /Mona
"sounds horrible."
* says emotionlessly *
This is exactly what i was looking for to give me the confidence to tackle tuning my own upright piano. You're the best Dirk! And i love the Mozart ending
Amazing demonstration. Among with many other things, I tuned professionally for 36 years after a college BTEC HND until my hearing deteriorated (we listen to the high frequencies, harmonics and beating between unisons). With this system, anyone can tune a piano, including grands. A lot of my work in this field was recording studios and live venues. In that situ, speed is paramount. But,especially in the tri-strings, you can just get the one sting in tune and then tune the other two to it. Just get rid of the “wowing “ for the pure sound. That would really speed the process up. Well done. I really enjoyed your presentation and I’m sure it will be of endless help out there. Thanks.
The piano sounded good overall, I'm currently doing a degree in tuning repairs and restoration and we are being taught to tune strictly by ear which I think is important and will save time in the long term if your goal is to become a piano tuner.
This software tunes your piano to the equal temperament fitted with the optimal stretch calculated specifically for your piano. Each individual tone's frequency is calculated so each interval will get the right amount of beat. Every piano is different and this way every piano will get its own optimal stretch.
Thanks a lot for this video!!
Our family has a old piano that was detuned for ages (15-20 years).
We bought it dirt cheap from a church that would rather buy a new one instead of tuning the old. So we always assumed it would be way over our budget to get it tuned.
As I like to fiddle with things myself (the more you know ;9) I finally looked up how to, and this makes it look quite feasible!
So now I'm set out to this new project :)
Tuning the treble:
Octaves will sound fairly clean.
Fifths will beat very slowly.
Fourths will have a slow beat.
Octave-fifths will sound fairly clean.
Tenths will beat faster going up the keyboard.
Tenths will beat a little faster than thirds.
Seventeenths will beat faster going up the keyboard.
Seventeenths will beat faster than tenths.
Double octaves will sound fairly clean.
You're right that during tuning the frequency of each string is compared with its desired frequency. The desired frequencies are different for each piano though. They are dependent on the type of strings, the length of the strings, the soundboard and many other things. Dirk's Piano Tuner records all keys (one string per key) so it can calculate the optimal frequency for each string. When tuning a piano manually (by ear) the human tuner does the same thing by checking and adjusting each interval.
Thanks Dirk..All I need to do is get software and tools, I look forward to seeing this video a few more times! I love CZcams University Lol!
I have not watched a single second of this video nor do I have any concrete knowledge about piano tuning but 'quick and easy' has me on edge lol
I'm a professional piano tuner, and I agree it should be done to your own preferences. Software measures at a given interpretation of a standard, which is nice to get the pitch in the right ballpark. However, there is a small amount of preference and opinion involved, so when I use a digital tuner, I make sure to personalize it afterwards.
What is the point of the recording and calculation phases? Each string should be at a particular frequency, so why not just skip to the part where you adjust each string in turn?
Every piano is different. There is no "set tuning" that works for every piano. Heck, this process should be done for every instrument, but since other instruments, like guitar for example, has much much fewer strings and the construction of the guitar itself is so small and does not as easily as a piano disturb the sound's quality, it is easier to have a set tuning for them. The bigger the instrument, the more "Individual" of a tuning is needed.
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Every piano is slightly different so it needs to get the feel of it first.
Mandolinic good question it is because of the rails back curve that varies on different pianos a stretch tuning will need to be calculated
because each piano has a certain character and tuning to concert pitch makes pianos sound artificial. that's what tuning by ear is for, or, software like this. I hope to tune my first piano soon :) but I only have an expensive powered mic and not sure how to connect that to a laptop yet
Inharmonicity and stretch are different for every instrument. The computer is setting the temperament over information gained from the entire keyboard
Many people seem to think that the hardest part of tuning a piano is hearing when it is in tune. In my opinion knowing the correct pitch, and hearing when the string gets to it, is one of the EASIEST parts of tuning a piano. One of things that is really most challenging about tuning a piano is getting the string to be at the pitch you want it to be. The pins are a tight fit in a mutli-ply block of wood. Tuning the string isn't just a matter of turning the pin until the string is in tune. Far from it. When you first start out to learn tuning you will find that you turn the tuning lever to the left, the string jumps down too low in pitch, lower in pitch than where you know it should be. Generally the way we tune a string is to pull the string up a little higher than our hearing tells us it should be, then gently coax it down until lands where we want it. Too often it is difficult to do that and the pitch ends up too low. You might think the method of coaxing the string down is turning the pin counterclockwise, but it's NOT, or at least, that is only one thing that may contribute to bringing the pitch sown. So the pitch goes too low, you try again, just gently nudging the lever hitting the string hard with the hammer, and hoping the string doesn't jump down too far. You can have all the most advanced information technology to help you know when the pitch of a string is correct, but that doesn't solve the problem of getting the string to go there, and stay there - stay there at least until you are finished tuning all the other strings - which by the way tends to cause the previous string to go out of tune. So you have to tune a previous string again. Then if you are a really skilled tuner, maybe the piano will stay in tune, or almost in tune for the length of a concert.
I must admit, you've done a great job. The other tune it yourself classes are a laugh and a half
I know this video is 5 years old...but THANKS very much for putting this together!
This is very thorough, thank you.
Damn it would have been prime if he actually said "one hour later"
Very cool. They say you learn something new every day. Well, this is my "something" today.
Very informative. Recently got my first piano and am looking forward to trying your software to assist me with the tuning. Thank you.
@192asso That's right. The piano tuner software calculates the optimal tuning for each chord. This way the piano gets tuned exactly right.
What I don't understand is: Why can't you just tune every string to a pre-determined frequency? Why does the software have to calculate anything at all?
Hi! What is the purpose of calculating the stretch? Does it affect tuning in any way? You're tuning each string to the proper standarized frequency value anyway...
I have to disagree on one point : piano technicians do more than tuning the piano, they check right working of the action and adjust it if necessary there is thousands of pieces in a piano who need care so this software can't replace the work of a technician/tuner.
Morover it take a lot of practice to tune a piano and manage that it keep tuned in the long run so yes I agree that this software help you tune your upright piano but the professional standards may be reached only after years of practice. Nowadays piano tuner use software like these but they still have to learn how tu use a tuning hammer and everything important about temperament, harmonization, adjustment of the action and stability of tuning. And if you are interested in comprehension of tuning there is lots of good book about it (Reblitz, Julien Wolfs...)
Wow, I'm going to try this one day. I'm going to buy an old piano for my children and I've always wondered about tuning.
you played Turkish march at the end beautiful piece I feel it's not ment for voices. And thanks for the lovely video
Does anyone know what this guy means when he say's "the software calculates the maximum stretch"? Would this be for notes that are way out of tune and might snap if you tried to tune them to concert pitch immediately?
Thanks a lot for spending your time to record this valuable tuning method. this help me to save money an learn how to tune my 6 years old daughters piano. Wish you best!!
This was an extremely helpful video. I did have a question if you don't mind. It was difficult to see how you dampered the 1st and 3rd strings with the red velvet cloth. Can you explain a little bit of how you did this? Great video, thanks! I now have the courage to tune my mother's piano (40 year old piano never tuned).
great video. love the swiss accent. thanks!
You are right. The theory is missing. I choose for that because the user should not need to know. The software handles all the complex tuning tasks.
For everybody that is interested, this is how the software tunes your piano:
Thanks for the video... I never discourage my clients from attempting to tune their own pianos. They appreciate me all the more afterwards or they pick up a useful skill. It's all good, but if you don't want to spend close to $500 (US dollars for program and equipment) finding a tuner is not an unreasonable option. Best of luck to all who give this a shot. If you live within a days drive of Cincinnati, OH and it doesn't go so well OR the work bores you, contact me and I'll get you squared away at a reasonable price and I won't be a jerk about it. One thing I should add, someone mentioned tuning a piano that hadn't been tuned for 40 years, I suggest raising the pitch close to standard pitch before you try to get a fine tuning out of it. As you increase the tension on different parts of the piano; the parts you have already tuned will go out of tune, so don't be extremely picky on the first couple of passes. The metal plate will flex slightly as you increase tension on the strings. So get it close first then fine tune it. You will also probably have to fine tune again it in a couple of weeks as the piano won't be stable for a while. For more interesting and fun stuff about arts and pianos follow @tickledkeys on Twitter...
Hi, I was wondering what it was you used to mute the strings when you were testing the middle one? i saw a red thing in amongst the strings but i didnt catch any mention on what it was or how to set it up
@cris001kay - I agree entirely. I normally tune the middle string, un-mute the left, tune that then un-mute the right and tune that. Although, the A3 he did here didn't sound bad at all.
This seems a little over complicated to me. Myself I don't even use a damper stick. I use a guitar pick and I pick each individual string so i can find out which one is out of tune. My pitch is perfect so i can tune the mid range keys with ease, I use a strobe tuner on the high and lower registers.
bink bink bink .. 'sounds horrible'
that made me smile. thanks for the video!
would love it if this was released as an app for ipad pleeeeeeeease.
that would be awesome
You're literally tuning a piano I don't think an iPad will be accurate.
Thanks for playing “Alla Turca” at the end, that just the piece I’m playing these days, but my piano needs to be tuned. Great tutorial!
How often do you have to tune your piano? And how long does it take on average?
That was great Dirk, Thankyou!
Great Video i Just watched it on 150% speed and forgot it after a while and only realized it at the end when you were playing the Song at the end
Tuning the bass:
Octaves will sound clean.
Fifths will sound almost clean.
Fourths will beat slowly.
Minor and major thirds will beat faster going up the keyboard.
Major thirds will beat slower than minor thirds (not always possible).
Minor thirds will beat equal to major sixths (not always possible).
Octave-minor sevenths will beat faster going up the keyboard.
Octave-augmented fourths will beat faster going up the keyboard.
So I'm supposed to tune all of the strings according to Equal Temperament…so easy, it'll only take 1-2 hours :)
Incredible! Thank you!
Dirk, I am interested in your software. Question - when I record each key - I need to mute double and triple strings, so I could record the single string, then I calibrate based on the recording of the single string, or do I make a separate recordings of the other two strings? Sorry, I am absolutely new to this...
You do not need to record the other strings. The recording needs one string per key. For more info check the website at dirksprojects.nl
so happy I found this comment. this is EXACTLY what I was wondering. thanks so much for posting this and thank you Dirk for replying back!
@@DirksProjects OK, but are you sure that the inharmonicity of the other two strings is the same???
Hi, when I start recording the lowest A note the software starts turning the lowest A# red, it thinks I am recording that one and will not record the low A.
how do you mute the 1st and 3rd string ? didn't quite catch it in the video
You use the red felt ribbon and place it between consecutive notes thus touching and muting the 1st and 3rd string of the desired note
You can also use two mutes and place them on the outer sides of the first and third string. See this explanation: www.dirksprojects.nl/index.php?Page=Tuner/ManualPianoTuning.php
Mostly star tips of new tuning hammers are not tightened, so you can do this in different ways: if you have an old tuning pin, you can clamb this into a wrench vise and tighten the startip on it. The second way is to buy a special tool, that is used for changing the tips and tighten the star tips with this.
1:02 That hurt to listen to...
I just bought my first piano and I have question. How do u know when to dampen the right 2 strings and the left?? Did I miss something? Lol thx for ur vid. I want to learn pisno soooooo bad.
why do you need this specific software? Can't I just do it with my chromatic tuner?
Sounds pretty good! You did a good job. Thanks
Really cool software :) I have one question. When you are recording each note, do you have to mute the strings of the notes that have multiple strings? Thanks
Excellent video thank you Dirk. 😊
Gracias por compartir con nosotros. Un saludo desde la Ciudad de México!
Dirk this is absolutely brilliant, my partner has just bought an upright double iron frame and it is a little out of tune (I haven't seen or heard it yet as she lives in York, England and I live in Scotland) After seeing this video upload I believe the "Estimated" £350 quote I was given for a full tune up will not be required. If you have the slightest idea how a stringed instrument is tuned then this must make the case for me doing the tuning myself a whole lot easier, brilliant stuff.
Thanks Dirk! I found a nice piano but it was really out of tune so I decided not to buy it. Watching this video has changed my mind! Going to buy tomorrow :) Appreciate you!
Really good work, my respect!!!
I also use this tuner since the beginning and I'm very happy with it!!
Thanks at Dirk...:)
How long does the whole process take? About 2 hours?
Thanks for the great video Dirk! I have a question about the recording part. When you are recording the keys with multi-strings, do you record each string? Or do you only record a single string? If it's only one string, does it matter which? Is there any further instruction about that we should know. Thanks again for the fab video, Dirk!
You answered my questions about how many strings per key. Great tutorial, thank you so much! Great playing of Mozart. I can't remember the name of the piece though. What is it?
Perhaps the answer is already late but here it is: Turkish March.
Rondo alla Turca
In the stretch screen you can set the desired A4 frequency prior to calculating the optimal stretch. The frequencies of all other tones will be adjusted accordingly.
After you tuned the first example string and unison, it sounded to me as if the unisons were NOT in tune--there was a slow roll. I personally have better success tuning the middle string to an ETD (or aurally) and then tuning the unisons by ear.
Thanks for this. It seems simple enough. Just tedious!
What mean "professional standard" in this case, please?
i don't know why do you need every key to be previously recorded, if finally while tuning you will just compare the strings to the frequency. any reason?
so you have to tune every single one of those three strings for every key?
Love the German accent ... and if you're Austrian ... I mean no insult. I'm going to give your software a try.
Hello Dirk. This is an awesome vid. But I have a question: why I just can't use a chromatic tuner (like those used to tune guitars)? Why do I need to perform such an optimisation instead? Thanks! : )
Tuning the temperament octave F3 - F4:
The octave F3 - F4 will sound clean.
Major thirds will beat faster going up the keyboard.
Major sixths will beat faster going up the keyboard.
Fifths will sound clean.
Fourths will beat slowly.
The three major thirds will beat close to 7, 9 and 11 bps.
Everyone is overlooking the fact that this cost $400 dollars? You can just call a professional for $150 or even less.
Wonderful information.
You are a wonderful pianist
I want to get the software
great video and software. I think using software for tuning is much accurate than using ears.
This was very informative and helpful to learn the process of tuning the piano. However, I'm wondering why the step of recording the piano in the middle is even necessary? It looks like you're just using a chromatic tuner at the end anyway to tune the strings, I don't see any correlation to the middle recording step. Is there? Or could you just do the last part of the process tuning A to 440, etc?
What microphone are you using to record to computer ?
I am apro, and I may admit the ergonomy looks good. and you seem to have worked long to have that.
For pro use some functions may be missing, and I may say that a regulation of the opening (or stretch) is the first thing that comes to mind, but may be you could avoid octaves width and use global level of consonance possible for that parameter, if you have the numbers at hand
(what misses is the theory !) . To tune one may train to manipulate lever and to build tone, which is the true work.
Wow! Thank you for sharing. Blessings.
how to bring it back to 0? you just keep pressing the key and push the string?
This is very useful, thanks a lot!
Beautiful video.
What is the song he played at the end of the video ?
@Stephen: This digital tuner uses the same tuning method as a human technician tuning by ear and it is easy to learn. The result is really impressive. Check out the website for detailed information. You can use the link below the video at the top of this webpage.
Extremely helpful ...Many many thanks
Your K for the half ton is 1.059515... WHY?
Brilliant. Thanks
I wish I could play Rondo alla Turca as good as you... :(
So each of the 3 strings per note has the same fundamental frequency, but presumably they have different harmonics to give a nice sound. Is that right?
Thank you very much for the sharing. For the initial recording, what string was recorded? Only the left one of each key?
Is there a trial version for Apple Macbook Pro? The web site only seems to allow a trial version for Windows.
Yes, the OS X (iMac and MacBook) version of the Piano Tuner is available now. Go to the website for the download: www.dirksprojects.nl/index.php?Page=Tuner/piano_tuner_40.php
I always assumed the 3 strings should split the difference. The 3 could equal the right note but individually be slightly different from each other.
Outstanding! Very Well Done!
For me is not clear, why i must record each piano key?
Gábor Gunity: Each piano is different. Specifically the harmonics produced by each tone determine how that particular piano needs to be tuned. Dirk's Piano Tuner records each key so it can calculate the optimal tuning for that particular piano. See the website for detailed information: www.dirksprojects.nl/index.php?Page=Tuner/piano_tuner_40.php
so the computer can tell you the right pitch to tune to
+Gábor Gunity because when you go to 'tunning' i'm guessing it will be more accurate to your pianos variable overall tone. using that curvature information you recorded when it tunes to a it does it regarding that tone line analyzed maybe.
Can you save different piano configurations, so you can go back and tune the same piano without having to record each key again??
@@DirksProjects But you use for that only one string! And you aren't sure that the other two strings are exactly the same....
If it listens only one string per note, how do you tune the other strings from the same note?
Very good work !
You re a freaking genius!!