Define secrets, and who a secret is from. The secrets usually called out are anything but secret. Literally millions of members of the Church know all about them. As to people who are not members, it's none of their business. Just as your bank account or the things you do at home are not my business.
@@RichardChappell1 My bank account will not get me into Heaven, or what I do in my home. But having different levels of teaching with secrets in the Mormon religion isn't right. My friend's mother wasn't allowed to see her son's Temple wedding because she wasn't a Temple member. What kind of religion keeps parents from seeing their child get married because the marriage endowments were secrets?
The reason posting that secret sacred stuff is important is because former Mormons have said they knew nothing about the temple endowment, found it cultish in a frightening way and felt coerced to make promises to the church that they felt were inappropriate. These were faithful, lifelong young Mormon missionaries and couples preparing for their sealings. Maybe don’t keep it a secret and young Mormons won’t feel so betrayed and disappointed. THAT’S why they secretly record. Also, the underwear. Don’t get me started. 🙄
Totally flawed argument. My generation some 40+ years ago had very little instruction and there wasn't this mass fright and concern. We had to seek knowledge from study and prayer and going again and again to find meaning. We didn't go to the public and talk about the temple. It was about developing faith through personal revelation. They had Temple Preparation classes 20 years ago. Today the Church provides online information for anyone to access: Covenants: "During the endowment ordinance, you will be invited to make certain covenants with God. These covenants are: Law of Obedience, which includes striving to keep God’s commandments. Law of Sacrifice, which means doing all we can to support the Lord’s work and repenting with a broken heart and contrite spirit. Law of the Gospel, which is the higher law that He taught while He was on the earth. Law of Chastity, which means that we have sexual relations only with the person to whom we are legally and lawfully wedded according to God’s law. Law of Consecration, which means dedicating our time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed us to building up Jesus Christ’s Church on the earth." Garments: "Adult members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who receive the endowment enter into sacred promises, known as covenants, to follow the highest standards of moral integrity and dedication to God. As part of entering into these covenants in the temple, members receive a simple undergarment-often referred to as the “temple garment” or “garment of the Holy Priesthood.” Unlike other ceremonial clothing used during the endowment, the garment is worn underneath members’ normal clothing for the rest of their lives, serving as a daily physical reminder of their covenant relationship with God."
@@TN-rf7nt Please consider that those who are telling you about temple rites all have a negative take. Have you spoken with someone who felt the ordinance was noble and beautifully symbolic? You can read Exo 8:6-24 to see the same rites under the Law of Moses.
its because keeping these "sacred things" in secret goes directly against what God wants for us as humans. if your church is keeping secrets, then it is NOT following Gods word and his teachings. it is literally a Cult....
Please show us your reference for such a claim. The Bible actually teaches not to cast your pearls before swine. These aren't secrets, they are just none of your business unless you are a member.
@@orion7741 Didn't you read about casting pearls before swine? Ancient temples didn't let just anyone in either. Where can you reference scriptures about God not wanting secrets kept? The Bible says this: Proverbs 11:13 "He who goes about as a talebearer reveals secrets, but he who is trustworthy conceals a matter"
There are lots of things that people consider weird in religions they’re not a part of. Even as a member for 40+ years I can see how the temple could be viewed as weird. It’s not an attack on the members though. It may feel unjust and offensive, but it has nothing to do with you personally and choosing to take offence helps the adversary dig into your heart and harden it slowly. Too much built up anger and resentment can eventually make you miserable. Don’t fall into the trap sister!
This has little to do with my feelings or your perception of them. It has everything to do with social hypocrisy. And it has to do with religious propaganda that is creating religious intolerance. Are you truly so unaware of what is going on among former members who are openly attacking the Church using deception and making a lot of money at it? In the words of Martin Niemöller (German pastor during WWII): "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."
@@misssue1824 This isn’t going to change anyone’s mind though. Do you see that? Getting angry affects you more than the person you are angry towards. God doesn’t need you to become angry for him, he wants you at peace so he can use you for good. As members, we are the most influential when we are seen as a positive force in the world. This type of rant will only create more negativity towards the church. People who don’t see your perspective will laugh at this unfortunately. I’m sorry you’re feeling hurt, but this isn’t how you win this one.
@@suzieq5383 My goodness, you sure seem to know all about me- how I think, what I feel and the like. The Lord is the only one who can look upon the heart. You didn't comment before on what I said. How aware are you of the false interpretations based on unreliable sources that are being circulated online and the damage they have done?
@@suzieq5383 Let's stay on topic. Have you ever watched what goes on in these videos? Please watch the first 47 seconds of: czcams.com/video/-jdDV7QuVHc/video.html Note how James 1:5 is used, but not verse 6 and consider why it was excised. This tactic is called "cherry picking." Examine the comments and tally up the first twenty. What is the ratio of negative to the Church v. positive? How many were members and were swayed by this video? I would seriously like to hear what you think of this type of content, which is very mild.
People should be respectful, but I think religious secrets are strange. I'm Roman Catholic. We have lots of strange traditions that we follow simply because they are traditional. We don't hide them. If people are curious, they should ask about it, but should not be critical if they don't understand the tradition.
There's a reason why people use the word "secret." It's about demonizing it. The fact is that these "secrets" are contained in our scriptures, and are well known to millions of people. It we are keeping ti a secret, we're pretty bad at it. As to sharing ti with everyone, it's no one who's not a members business. WHy would you care?
Faith is decided on when one feels the Spirit of God testify of truth. Read about the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. When Peter explained to a large crowd about Jesus Christ and how they had helped condemn Him, these men were pricked in their hearts and asked what to do. The answer was repent, be baptized and join them. Note they were baptized first and then the law of consecration was mentioned after that. How many of these Jews had problems accepting Gentile members when that policy change was made, women being told to keep silent in church? When we join ourselves to Christ, we bear all things, believe all things, hope all things and endure all things. No pre-nups are signed.
Yeah, that's not really honest. We do tell them about the temple. We do give more detail to those interested in attending and taking on those additional covenants - we have temple preparation classes all the time.
@@RichardChappell1 Having been involved in many of those temple preparation class they as still very very slim on information. Why? Because you are NOT to talk about what really happens in full. Sure surface information is given but nothing more. Period.
Thank you for expressing yourself. I am not Mormon, but I am appalled when I see this. People who don’t understand and are without their own sacred “things” or connections in their own life don’t see how sharing the sacred secrets of a group is hurtful and disrespectful. Those same people might insist that others not judge them or whatever but then they go and put down something that others revere as sacred. That’s the world, though.
@@misssue1824 for sure -- everyone should accept every book -- regardless of what it says -- books about child SA, books about the joys of r@p3, books about the false religion of mormonism -- if you start banning one of those, you can ban any book.
Freedom of speech. People should think about being respectful but the idea that religious practices should be protected by law is ludicrous. On a side note, what part of the ceremony is “beautiful?”
@@misssue1824 not bad -- for a ritual tha was stolen from Masonic temple (you DO know that Joseph Smith was a Mason -- right? How about that when Jesus was crucified the veil in the temple was torn in two? Jesus came to remove the veil between God and man -- and the Mormons put a veil back up ?? Go figure ...
@@jayburris6252 I take it's been a while since you were in the temple, so if it doesn't make sense, who stands between us and the Father? It is Christ. When Christ died the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom, showing that His sacrifice was complete and had broken death and hell. He as our judge and advocate will judge whether we can pass into the place where God the Father dwells. The veil is also symbolic of Him as Creator, the Lord to whom all will bow, the God of covenants, and giver of the commandments that should guide our actions.
I agree with you. I'm still a member, though I don't hold the faith in my life. I love what the Church gave me in helping me see what better standards would lead to later in life. I wouldn't smear the Church because I have respect that dwells in me. I already knew I wouldn't be able to observe the rituals and so I didn't go there. I will admit that when I first left, I would trash the church to my fellow leavers. Then I grew up and realized I was probably talking myself into a different rationale, no different from the rationale I was leaving behind in a way. People talk themselves into and out of every belief, in my opinion. So I came to realize that Mormonism is a great way of life, a great faith. I am in Unity myself.
To answer your question--The temple is a rite that follows Lucifer. It comes from Freemasonry, where the 33d degree and above worship him.. In the temple ceremony Lucifer tells the patrons to put on the apron, the "symbol of my power and priesthoods". He also threatens that if they don't follow all his instructions that they will be in his power. Freemasonry goes all the way back to the ancient mystery religions. Here is a brief overview. Egyptians, Babylonians, Kinights Templars, Jesuits, Freemasonry. Solomon in his temple was a sorcerer. There was nothing Christian about it. Mormonism is actually Luciferian, with an overlay of Christianity. That is what is so sinister about it. Good everyday rank and file members have no idea what lurks behind the curtain.
O’ Yes … sacred and beautiful, All Cults have the same problem with those who are trying to expose their reality ! Praise be to the great Spaghetti monster from space !! And the golden boot 🥾 of planet Navoran !
I’ve been inactive for over a year now I do agree people should not take cameras into the temple and film it and then put it out for the public to see it is going to seem or weird to people because it takes a while to understand what goes on in the temple, it is a learning process it is a place of worship for those that go there
Yeah, the two finger greasy circles around my nipples and rubbed into my pubic hairs shouldn't be filmed only because the entire act was not consensual. Secrets surrounding the forced nudity and stroking of skin near sexual organs is assault. That's why the quarter of a trillion dollar Latter-day corporation demands full complacency, even when a religious representative touches your nude body against your consent or informed in advance. Butch got off on her power trip
@@jameseldridge4185 No, you are wrong. It is seclusion that is cultist. God tells us to not cast pearls (that which is precious in God's economy) before swine, and not give what is holy to dogs because they don't value nor understand. The temple is the house of God. Remember that in the Jewish temple the inner place was the holy of holies.
@@misssue1824how you know he/she will? You’re assuming. So why are you allowed to assume but get mad when others do so? After all I know about you’re religion I can say frankly: it’s a CULT.
@@misssue1824 Can't answer for the OP but for myself I steer the world to the true ONE AND ONLY GOD, consisting of 3 persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And the true Church has always been targeted. Don't pretend your imaginary persecution is something unique to Mormons.
@@Nick-wn1xw Did you miss that I mentioned other faiths as being persecuted online other than my own? If you have strong faith and belief, put it out here. Just don't go after the faith of other people.
@@misssue1824 what you did not mention is that Christians have been and are being persecuted (i.e. churches and businesses ruined, lives terminated) throughout the world even today. According to Open Doors’ World Watch List top 50 alone, 317m Christians face very high or extreme levels; last year 4,998 Christians were murdered and 14,766 Churches and Christian properties attacked. And you're worried about a leaked video? But -- oh my! -- let's not forget the awful persecution coming to Mormons as a result of those leaked temple videos -- oh dear, oh dear, oh DEARIE me!
I think you are 100% correct. It is a double standard and shouldn't be done. However, I think the Church needs more transparency about some of the things that are done. I can't understand why certain things aren't talked about as they aren't really part of what's sacred. And I have talked to so many people who went for their endowments and were also left feeling like they should have been given a heads up about some of the session.
I agree that things might not have been explained as well as they should in the past, but that isn't an excuse now. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/inside-temples?lang=eng and www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/what-is-temple-endowment?lang=eng are just two of the sites hosted by the Church and there other great resources like True Millennial, Stick of Joseph and other informational sites hosted by faithful LDS members. Whether someone is prepared for the temple or not is beside the point. Why does a person feel the need to go in with a video camera if they choose to leave? It's total disrespect.
@@misssue1824I have audio tapes of the 70's temple rituals: made by Ex Mormons who hadn't left the church yet. Those have nothing to do with authentic Christianity. This is why they are kept secret and they come from the secret rituals of Freemasonry.
@@misssue1824Because your church does not adequately describe to young Mormons what they’re getting into and what the temple ordinances are really all about. There’s no real picture of the green apron, no description of the handshakes straight out of Mason rituals, no cultish circles, no veils on women or between rooms, no promises to endow the church with the lifetime of labor and money. In short, it is not informed consent. Many Mormons do the temple work regularly but think they’re missing something deeply spiritual that they were promised and the church let them down. But they don’t leave the church for a while because their families are tied to it and there is a social penalty for leaving. Again, no informed consent. They go through the motions, literally, but think the whole thing is a big let down. They’re probably sitting right next to you in that room, wondering what they’re doing there and why people like you have a glazed look in your eye.
@@misssue1824 Exmo here, I had NO IDEA I would be promising to cut my throat or slice my stomach open, or promise to follow the law of consecration, all I wanted to do was to get married. ☹
@@Revbone450 This argument is off topic, but I will speak to your comment. I hear this shock and surprise mentioned by others about the seriousness of the covenants made in the temple. I just don't understand what is being missed here. When my generation went through the temple some 40+ years ago, we had very little instruction other than what we sought on our own. Why didn't that whole generation freak out even more? Believe me, I was a rebel and it took going to the Lord a lot to gain understanding of those covenants. I just don't understand why, with all the increased preparation and information online from the Church's website, this is now a problem. A person must be a member for a year before going to the temple and there are some rather direct questions about why a person is going through the temple. And it isn't just about getting married. Even if that person was only a member for a year, most would have read the Book of Mormon and seen the example of Abinadi, or the believers put to death in the time of Alma and Amulek. Even a viewing of "The Ten Commandments" at Easter shows the fate of Korah, Dathan, Abiram and their families for their unbelief and rebellion. There is the story of Ananias and Sapphira in the New Testament who sold some land but didn't want to give the full price in consecration. Do you know their fate? Look, I don't mean to sound rude, but I truly am shocked at your shock.
There are no "secrets" in the temple. Everything that occurs within the temple can be found in the scriptures. The idea has been that faithful members of the church would hold the things which they receive and learn there as "sacred". If a person holds something as sacred they would not wish to spread it randomly before people who do not understand, opening it up to ridicule. Since Cain killed Abel, God's teachings and his people have been mocked and persecuted. Every person has the right to choose for themselves, and if someone wishes to deny the truth, that is their right and privilege, and they will reap their reward. Those who do believe have a right to the same privilege and are comfortable in the knowledge that all will be right in the end.
@SR-zm2rp umm -- kinda disingenious ... there are many things to be found in the scriptures that are NOT (and SHOULD NOT be) done -- anywhere. And if they were done, you'd better believe that it would need to be kept a secret. The fact that some of those things ARE being done in the temple is probably better to be kept " ... unpublished ..." (yeah -- sorta kinda like kept secret ...)
@@sagesaith6354 That statement demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of the Bible (not to mention what is done in the temple). The Bible isn't a list of things to do and not do, but a narrative and allegory that provides examples of how to live. Obviously there are things portrayed in the Bible which should not be done. It's ridiculous to think that it would not have examples of that.
@@misssue1824 Right? I say Jesus was an enlightened man who was trying to teach people to forgive more, share what they have, and accept hurt in life, etc. because God is within. Others say Jesus was God incarnated in humanity to help people. Others say Jesus was telling people they must believe or they're damned.
Get over yourself and become a Javacrucian. Other people's opinions of your private religious beliefs are irrelevant. Tend your own Garden, said Rousseau.
@@ReneeJoan If you attend large gatherings of your faith, are there protesters with signs there? There are groups that come to Temple Square in Salt Lake City every six months to protest General Conference. Makes it kind of hard to "tend my garden." Please take your Rousseau quote where it is needed.
@@misssue1824 My reference to Rousseau was intended to DEFEND your LDS beliefs, not to disparage them. You have the right to worship whomsoever, or whatever you think is an appropriate expression of the Divine. For some, it's Yahweh. For some, it's Allah. For some, it's Shiva. For some, it's their ancestors. For some, it's the nature gods. One of God's attributes is that He is "unknowable" with our human minds. When Moses demanded to know God's "name"/identity, the only thing God would tell him was, "I am who I am." Who is that? Remember that parable told by Ghandi, about the six blind men examining an elephant? Some interpret the Divine as a single, Creator Being. Some interpret the Divine as a Trinity. Some interpret the Divine as a "Family." Some interpret the Divine as a "Dream of Brahma." As Pope Francis said, "Who am I to judge?" I certainly don't have the Secret Decoder Ring. If your Mormon beliefs lead you to lead a life of ethics, integrity, honor, and compassion toward others, then I certainly respect your beliefs, even if I have a different set of practices and beliefs as a Catholic. I will tell you one thing -- one of the finest Christian women I know is my sister-in-law, and she is Mormon. And her family, counting four generations now, is completely consistent with that assessment. I am humbled by her -- I think she is a far better Christian than I am, and there isn't anyone in our clan (a mixed bag of Evangelicals, Catholics, Jews, and "whatevers") who would disagree with me.
It’s because the Church was founded in America. Unfortunately it’s seen as trendy and okay to trash the USA… but foreign and native culture and religion are off limits.
There shouldn't be any secrets in any religion at any level.
That’s because it’s a cult. Cults hide info until you pay or get indoctrinated enough.
Define secrets, and who a secret is from. The secrets usually called out are anything but secret. Literally millions of members of the Church know all about them. As to people who are not members, it's none of their business. Just as your bank account or the things you do at home are not my business.
@@RichardChappell1 that’s literally one of the definitions of a cult
@@RichardChappell1 My bank account will not get me into Heaven, or what I do in my home. But having different levels of teaching with secrets in the Mormon religion isn't right. My friend's mother wasn't allowed to see her son's Temple wedding because she wasn't a Temple member. What kind of religion keeps parents from seeing their child get married because the marriage endowments were secrets?
@@michaelcroteau5919 See the biblical admonition from Matt 7:6 as noted above.
The reason posting that secret sacred stuff is important is because former Mormons have said they knew nothing about the temple endowment, found it cultish in a frightening way and felt coerced to make promises to the church that they felt were inappropriate. These were faithful, lifelong young Mormon missionaries and couples preparing for their sealings. Maybe don’t keep it a secret and young Mormons won’t feel so betrayed and disappointed. THAT’S why they secretly record.
Also, the underwear. Don’t get me started. 🙄
Totally flawed argument. My generation some 40+ years ago had very little instruction and there wasn't this mass fright and concern. We had to seek knowledge from study and prayer and going again and again to find meaning. We didn't go to the public and talk about the temple. It was about developing faith through personal revelation. They had Temple Preparation classes 20 years ago. Today the Church provides online information for anyone to access:
Covenants:
"During the endowment ordinance, you will be invited to make certain covenants with God. These covenants are:
Law of Obedience, which includes striving to keep God’s commandments.
Law of Sacrifice, which means doing all we can to support the Lord’s work and repenting with a broken heart and contrite spirit.
Law of the Gospel, which is the higher law that He taught while He was on the earth.
Law of Chastity, which means that we have sexual relations only with the person to whom we are legally and lawfully wedded according to God’s law.
Law of Consecration, which means dedicating our time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed us to building up Jesus Christ’s Church on the earth."
Garments: "Adult members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who receive the endowment enter into sacred promises, known as covenants, to follow the highest standards of moral integrity and dedication to God. As part of entering into these covenants in the temple, members receive a simple undergarment-often referred to as the “temple garment” or “garment of the Holy Priesthood.” Unlike other ceremonial clothing used during the endowment, the garment is worn underneath members’ normal clothing for the rest of their lives, serving as a daily physical reminder of their covenant relationship with God."
Yeah but that doesn't talk about the touching. The touching is not comfortable, especially if you were previously touched without your consent.
@@TN-rf7nt Please consider that those who are telling you about temple rites all have a negative take. Have you spoken with someone who felt the ordinance was noble and beautifully symbolic? You can read Exo 8:6-24 to see the same rites under the Law of Moses.
its because keeping these "sacred things" in secret goes directly against what God wants for us as humans. if your church is keeping secrets, then it is NOT following Gods word and his teachings. it is literally a Cult....
@@orion7741 Enjoy your trolling and judging. Very Christian of you.
Please show us your reference for such a claim. The Bible actually teaches not to cast your pearls before swine. These aren't secrets, they are just none of your business unless you are a member.
How do you know @orion7741 is Christian?
@@orion7741 Didn't you read about casting pearls before swine? Ancient temples didn't let just anyone in either. Where can you reference scriptures about God not wanting secrets kept? The Bible says this: Proverbs 11:13
"He who goes about as a talebearer reveals secrets, but he who is trustworthy conceals a matter"
@@marydlutes1792 He hasn't said yet...
There are lots of things that people consider weird in religions they’re not a part of. Even as a member for 40+ years I can see how the temple could be viewed as weird. It’s not an attack on the members though. It may feel unjust and offensive, but it has nothing to do with you personally and choosing to take offence helps the adversary dig into your heart and harden it slowly. Too much built up anger and resentment can eventually make you miserable. Don’t fall into the trap sister!
This has little to do with my feelings or your perception of them. It has everything to do with social hypocrisy. And it has to do with religious propaganda that is creating religious intolerance.
Are you truly so unaware of what is going on among former members who are openly attacking the Church using deception and making a lot of money at it?
In the words of Martin Niemöller (German pastor during WWII):
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."
@@misssue1824 This isn’t going to change anyone’s mind though. Do you see that? Getting angry affects you more than the person you are angry towards. God doesn’t need you to become angry for him, he wants you at peace so he can use you for good. As members, we are the most influential when we are seen as a positive force in the world. This type of rant will only create more negativity towards the church. People who don’t see your perspective will laugh at this unfortunately. I’m sorry you’re feeling hurt, but this isn’t how you win this one.
@@suzieq5383 My goodness, you sure seem to know all about me- how I think, what I feel and the like. The Lord is the only one who can look upon the heart.
You didn't comment before on what I said. How aware are you of the false interpretations based on unreliable sources that are being circulated online and the damage they have done?
@@misssue1824 Well, I knew exactly how this comment section was going to go, didn’t I? Read the room, this tactic doesn’t do what you want it to.
@@suzieq5383 Let's stay on topic. Have you ever watched what goes on in these videos? Please watch the first 47 seconds of: czcams.com/video/-jdDV7QuVHc/video.html
Note how James 1:5 is used, but not verse 6 and consider why it was excised. This tactic is called "cherry picking." Examine the comments and tally up the first twenty. What is the ratio of negative to the Church v. positive? How many were members and were swayed by this video?
I would seriously like to hear what you think of this type of content, which is very mild.
People should be respectful, but I think religious secrets are strange. I'm Roman Catholic. We have lots of strange traditions that we follow simply because they are traditional. We don't hide them. If people are curious, they should ask about it, but should not be critical if they don't understand the tradition.
@@markrichards6863 Are you respectful of atheists and agnostics?
There's a reason why people use the word "secret." It's about demonizing it. The fact is that these "secrets" are contained in our scriptures, and are well known to millions of people. It we are keeping ti a secret, we're pretty bad at it.
As to sharing ti with everyone, it's no one who's not a members business. WHy would you care?
@@kimhaas7586 Respect is earned not given.
Christ taught to Love but not evil.
@@kimhaas7586 Absolutely, some of the nicest, most helpful people I've known fit that description, and with no strings attached.
They do that to Native American ceremonies all the time
And it's unethical and fraudulent then as well.
You understand this better than most. Do you happen to be Lakota?
Name one other church that will send missionaries out to recruit people and NOT tell them what they are in for. What other church has this problem?
To an extent JW's but even they are more transparent than Mormons.
Faith is decided on when one feels the Spirit of God testify of truth. Read about the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. When Peter explained to a large crowd about Jesus Christ and how they had helped condemn Him, these men were pricked in their hearts and asked what to do. The answer was repent, be baptized and join them. Note they were baptized first and then the law of consecration was mentioned after that. How many of these Jews had problems accepting Gentile members when that policy change was made, women being told to keep silent in church? When we join ourselves to Christ, we bear all things, believe all things, hope all things and endure all things. No pre-nups are signed.
Yeah, that's not really honest. We do tell them about the temple. We do give more detail to those interested in attending and taking on those additional covenants - we have temple preparation classes all the time.
@@RichardChappell1 Having been involved in many of those temple preparation class they as still very very slim on information. Why? Because you are NOT to talk about what really happens in full. Sure surface information is given but nothing more. Period.
@@RichardChappell1 The temple prep classes are a joke.
Thank you for expressing yourself. I am not Mormon, but I am appalled when I see this.
People who don’t understand and are without their own sacred “things” or connections in their own life don’t see how sharing the sacred secrets of a group is hurtful and disrespectful.
Those same people might insist that others not judge them or whatever but then they go and put down something that others revere as sacred.
That’s the world, though.
@@idahardy4052 Thanks. Your comment is appreciated. It's like banning books. Ban just one and any can be banned.
@@misssue1824 for sure -- everyone should accept every book -- regardless of what it says -- books about child SA, books about the joys of r@p3, books about the false religion of mormonism -- if you start banning one of those, you can ban any book.
Freedom of speech. People should think about being respectful but the idea that religious practices should be protected by law is ludicrous.
On a side note, what part of the ceremony is “beautiful?”
How about the symbolism of the veil being the Savior, through whom we enter into God's presence?
@@misssue1824 not bad -- for a ritual tha was stolen from Masonic temple (you DO know that Joseph Smith was a Mason -- right?
How about that when Jesus was crucified the veil in the temple was torn in two?
Jesus came to remove the veil between God and man -- and the Mormons put a veil back up ?? Go figure ...
@@misssue1824 When has that EVER been used as a symbol of the veil!!???? That was never mentioned when I was there and doesn't make sense.
@@jayburris6252 I take it's been a while since you were in the temple, so if it doesn't make sense, who stands between us and the Father? It is Christ. When Christ died the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom, showing that His sacrifice was complete and had broken death and hell. He as our judge and advocate will judge whether we can pass into the place where God the Father dwells. The veil is also symbolic of Him as Creator, the Lord to whom all will bow, the God of covenants, and giver of the commandments that should guide our actions.
@@jayburris6252 See Heb 10:20 as well. Christ is the veil of the temple.
I agree with you. I'm still a member, though I don't hold the faith in my life. I love what the Church gave me in helping me see what better standards would lead to later in life. I wouldn't smear the Church because I have respect that dwells in me. I already knew I wouldn't be able to observe the rituals and so I didn't go there. I will admit that when I first left, I would trash the church to my fellow leavers. Then I grew up and realized I was probably talking myself into a different rationale, no different from the rationale I was leaving behind in a way. People talk themselves into and out of every belief, in my opinion. So I came to realize that Mormonism is a great way of life, a great faith. I am in Unity myself.
To answer your question--The temple is a rite that follows Lucifer. It comes from Freemasonry, where the 33d degree and above worship him.. In the temple ceremony Lucifer tells the patrons to put on the apron, the "symbol of my power and priesthoods". He also threatens that if they don't follow all his instructions that they will be in his power.
Freemasonry goes all the way back to the ancient mystery religions. Here is a brief overview. Egyptians, Babylonians, Kinights Templars, Jesuits, Freemasonry. Solomon in his temple was a sorcerer. There was nothing Christian about it. Mormonism is actually Luciferian, with an overlay of Christianity. That is what is so sinister about it. Good everyday rank and file members have no idea what lurks behind the curtain.
O’ Yes … sacred and beautiful,
All Cults have the same problem with those who are trying to expose their reality ! Praise be to the great Spaghetti monster from space !!
And the golden boot 🥾 of planet Navoran !
I’ve been inactive for over a year now I do agree people should not take cameras into the temple and film it and then put it out for the public to see it is going to seem or weird to people because it takes a while to understand what goes on in the temple, it is a learning process it is a place of worship for those that go there
Yeah, the two finger greasy circles around my nipples and rubbed into my pubic hairs shouldn't be filmed only because the entire act was not consensual.
Secrets surrounding the forced nudity and stroking of skin near sexual organs is assault. That's why the quarter of a trillion dollar Latter-day corporation demands full complacency, even when a religious representative touches your nude body against your consent or informed in advance. Butch got off on her power trip
Maybe your secret / magic underwear is on a little too tight ??
Making the world a better place to be. That's our Moonbatcrazy.
Secret = cult
@@jameseldridge4185 No, you are wrong. It is seclusion that is cultist. God tells us to not cast pearls (that which is precious in God's economy) before swine, and not give what is holy to dogs because they don't value nor understand. The temple is the house of God. Remember that in the Jewish temple the inner place was the holy of holies.
Well, you can see it right now in the comments. Imagine them saying that to an Islamic person or in a Islamic country. 😂
I lived in Saudi Arabia for four years- 1992 to 1996. Enough said.
@@misssue1824Interesting. My worked there for 22 years.
@@yukihirasouma4691 Salaam.
Who cares
You will when you are the one being targeted. Which way are you steering the world?
@@misssue1824how you know he/she will? You’re assuming. So why are you allowed to assume but get mad when others do so?
After all I know about you’re religion I can say frankly: it’s a CULT.
@@misssue1824 Can't answer for the OP but for myself I steer the world to the true ONE AND ONLY GOD, consisting of 3 persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And the true Church has always been targeted. Don't pretend your imaginary persecution is something unique to Mormons.
@@Nick-wn1xw Did you miss that I mentioned other faiths as being persecuted online other than my own? If you have strong faith and belief, put it out here. Just don't go after the faith of other people.
@@misssue1824 what you did not mention is that Christians have been and are being persecuted (i.e. churches and businesses ruined, lives terminated) throughout the world even today. According to Open Doors’ World Watch List top 50 alone, 317m Christians face very high or extreme levels; last year 4,998 Christians were murdered and 14,766 Churches and Christian properties attacked.
And you're worried about a leaked video?
But -- oh my! -- let's not forget the awful persecution coming to Mormons as a result of those leaked temple videos -- oh dear, oh dear, oh DEARIE me!
if you have to pay to play its a coult
If you have to lie about something to make a point, you are in more of a cult.
I take it you don't read the bible?
Please stay on topic.
I think you are 100% correct. It is a double standard and shouldn't be done. However, I think the Church needs more transparency about some of the things that are done. I can't understand why certain things aren't talked about as they aren't really part of what's sacred. And I have talked to so many people who went for their endowments and were also left feeling like they should have been given a heads up about some of the session.
I agree that things might not have been explained as well as they should in the past, but that isn't an excuse now. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/inside-temples?lang=eng and www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/what-is-temple-endowment?lang=eng are just two of the sites hosted by the Church and there other great resources like True Millennial, Stick of Joseph and other informational sites hosted by faithful LDS members.
Whether someone is prepared for the temple or not is beside the point. Why does a person feel the need to go in with a video camera if they choose to leave? It's total disrespect.
@@misssue1824I have audio tapes of the 70's temple rituals: made by Ex Mormons who hadn't left the church yet.
Those have nothing to do with authentic Christianity.
This is why they are kept secret and they come from the secret rituals of Freemasonry.
@@misssue1824Because your church does not adequately describe to young Mormons what they’re getting into and what the temple ordinances are really all about. There’s no real picture of the green apron, no description of the handshakes straight out of Mason rituals, no cultish circles, no veils on women or between rooms, no promises to endow the church with the lifetime of labor and money. In short, it is not informed consent. Many Mormons do the temple work regularly but think they’re missing something deeply spiritual that they were promised and the church let them down. But they don’t leave the church for a while because their families are tied to it and there is a social penalty for leaving. Again, no informed consent. They go through the motions, literally, but think the whole thing is a big let down. They’re probably sitting right next to you in that room, wondering what they’re doing there and why people like you have a glazed look in your eye.
@@misssue1824 Exmo here, I had NO IDEA I would be promising to cut my throat or slice my stomach open, or promise to follow the law of consecration, all I wanted to do was to get married. ☹
@@Revbone450 This argument is off topic, but I will speak to your comment. I hear this shock and surprise mentioned by others about the seriousness of the covenants made in the temple. I just don't understand what is being missed here. When my generation went through the temple some 40+ years ago, we had very little instruction other than what we sought on our own. Why didn't that whole generation freak out even more? Believe me, I was a rebel and it took going to the Lord a lot to gain understanding of those covenants. I just don't understand why, with all the increased preparation and information online from the Church's website, this is now a problem.
A person must be a member for a year before going to the temple and there are some rather direct questions about why a person is going through the temple. And it isn't just about getting married. Even if that person was only a member for a year, most would have read the Book of Mormon and seen the example of Abinadi, or the believers put to death in the time of Alma and Amulek. Even a viewing of "The Ten Commandments" at Easter shows the fate of Korah, Dathan, Abiram and their families for their unbelief and rebellion. There is the story of Ananias and Sapphira in the New Testament who sold some land but didn't want to give the full price in consecration. Do you know their fate?
Look, I don't mean to sound rude, but I truly am shocked at your shock.
There are no "secrets" in the temple. Everything that occurs within the temple can be found in the scriptures. The idea has been that faithful members of the church would hold the things which they receive and learn there as "sacred". If a person holds something as sacred they would not wish to spread it randomly before people who do not understand, opening it up to ridicule. Since Cain killed Abel, God's teachings and his people have been mocked and persecuted. Every person has the right to choose for themselves, and if someone wishes to deny the truth, that is their right and privilege, and they will reap their reward. Those who do believe have a right to the same privilege and are comfortable in the knowledge that all will be right in the end.
Thanks. You nailed it.
@SR-zm2rp umm -- kinda disingenious ... there are many things to be found in the scriptures that are NOT (and SHOULD NOT be) done -- anywhere. And if they were done, you'd better believe that it would need to be kept a secret. The fact that some of those things ARE being done in the temple is probably better to be kept " ... unpublished ..." (yeah -- sorta kinda like kept secret ...)
@@sagesaith6354 That statement demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of the Bible (not to mention what is done in the temple). The Bible isn't a list of things to do and not do, but a narrative and allegory that provides examples of how to live. Obviously there are things portrayed in the Bible which should not be done. It's ridiculous to think that it would not have examples of that.
BTW, you are following a fake Jesus. Not Jesus our God.
@@mikefranklin1253 Gee, more Christian love on a topic that the Bible doesn't resolve. So, how do you know who the "real" Jesus is?
@@misssue1824 Right? I say Jesus was an enlightened man who was trying to teach people to forgive more, share what they have, and accept hurt in life, etc. because God is within. Others say Jesus was God incarnated in humanity to help people. Others say Jesus was telling people they must believe or they're damned.
Get over yourself and become a Javacrucian. Other people's opinions of your private religious beliefs are irrelevant. Tend your own Garden, said Rousseau.
@@ReneeJoan If you attend large gatherings of your faith, are there protesters with signs there?
There are groups that come to Temple Square in Salt Lake City every six months to protest General Conference. Makes it kind of hard to "tend my garden." Please take your Rousseau quote where it is needed.
@@misssue1824 My reference to Rousseau was intended to DEFEND your LDS beliefs, not to disparage them. You have the right to worship whomsoever, or whatever you think is an appropriate expression of the Divine. For some, it's Yahweh. For some, it's Allah. For some, it's Shiva. For some, it's their ancestors. For some, it's the nature gods. One of God's attributes is that He is "unknowable" with our human minds. When Moses demanded to know God's "name"/identity, the only thing God would tell him was, "I am who I am." Who is that? Remember that parable told by Ghandi, about the six blind men examining an elephant? Some interpret the Divine as a single, Creator Being. Some interpret the Divine as a Trinity. Some interpret the Divine as a "Family." Some interpret the Divine as a "Dream of Brahma." As Pope Francis said, "Who am I to judge?" I certainly don't have the Secret Decoder Ring. If your Mormon beliefs lead you to lead a life of ethics, integrity, honor, and compassion toward others, then I certainly respect your beliefs, even if I have a different set of practices and beliefs as a Catholic. I will tell you one thing -- one of the finest Christian women I know is my sister-in-law, and she is Mormon. And her family, counting four generations now, is completely consistent with that assessment. I am humbled by her -- I think she is a far better Christian than I am, and there isn't anyone in our clan (a mixed bag of Evangelicals, Catholics, Jews, and "whatevers") who would disagree with me.
Cult ceremonies.
Where is them golden tablets. I know. Hiding in special under ware. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you.
Heretic.
LOL
It’s because the Church was founded in America. Unfortunately it’s seen as trendy and okay to trash the USA… but foreign and native culture and religion are off limits.