JONATHAN PAGEAU | Community Leadership and Restoring Masculinity
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 31. 07. 2024
- Jonathan Pageau is the founder and host of the Symbolic World. He has played a central role in Maniphesto's mission of restoring masculinity and understanding the relationship with the feminine, hierarchy, and how to structure a community. Jonathan was the main speaker at the European Men's Gathering in 2021 and is inspiring and leading our understanding of these apocalyptic times.
Timestamps:
[0:00] - Intro
[2:01] - Community leadership basics - fractal levels
[8:45] - Examples of fractal embedded community
[11:42] - The limits to inclusive community
[14:40] - The creation of digital idols
[18:28] - Entering a new technological paradigm
[21:09] - Attention and celebration in fostering community
[25:28] - How to deal with distraction
[26:42] - Community venerating the masculine
[29:51] - Defining the masculine and feminine
[34:08] - Masculine leadership
[36:31] - Confusion resulting from postmodernism
[38:02] - Eros as the driving force towards unification
[41:34] - The paradox of God as a "He"
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I think of it as Peterson tilled the soil so that Pageau could sow the seeds
Same lol I need friends like this
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Jordan the Peterson making straight the mind for the coming of the Pageau.
Yes, it seems as if our cohesion as communities, as you are defing them, is being eroded by our out-sourcing to other 'interests' s though doing so would be a provision for or substitute for, losses or even to keep a lid on properly grieving or knowing a loss.
It doesn't feel real...as if then people grow to feel/believe that they were justified to have what they had in the first place- even if its only an inkling of what it was that they had. And maybe that thing the had was their sence of community that has failed them or they have failed.
It is so apparent when big land developers are able to work with city planners almost to the exclusion of the input of neighbourhood committees and their concerns about not being hemmed in or over-shadowed by their "inconvenience" to the developers.
âJordanâ, the river where the Forerunner baptized Christ. âPetersonâ; son of Peter. The Apostle who gets into trouble for being the first to speak, whoâs title means ârockâ-which can be either a solid foundation or can sink to the bottom of the ocean. Like Peter who was zealous enough to jump feet first into blessings and cursings, the one who denies Christ and yet feeds his lambsâŠ. Peterson hasnât made it across the Jordan. Hopefully, like Peter, he doesnât take his eyes of Christ lest the Rock sink.
That gangsta rap reference blew me away - being a young black man who listens to gangsta rap and was once living by the lyrics - it made me smile. I respect Pageau more than ever now đ„Č
So Iâve been going to Orthodox Church for a couple months and itâs been magical. Learning on CZcams doesnât compare to actually participating in the faith
Heaven/Earth, Male/Female, Yang/Yin; âEarthâ is the world of matter and âHeavenâ is the world of patterns. Reality is made by patterns shaping matter. Which is why "pattern" means "father" and "matter" means "mother." Hence "paternal/maternal". This is even true in our biology. The mother grows the child, provides virtually all the material from which the baby comes. The father provided only one single cell, but that cell contained a pattern of information that tells the mother's body how to grow the baby.
Interesting. Are you saying that paternal / pater has the same etymological root as pattern? Or just that those words by coincidence sound the same?
@@ManiphestoMen Yes, they are etymologically connected. âPatternâ comes from âpatronâ, which is shortened from the Latin âpatronusâ, which came from the Greek word for father. Matter is also derived from the Greek word for mother.
That's an extremely interesting piece of information, thanks a lot! It's always fascinating to learn of the origins of words that we use, and how they are connected to other words. I was baffled when I learned that the word 'symbol' comes from a Greek word which means something like 'that which brings together / unites multiple paths into one' while the idea of the devil / diablo comes from a Greek word meaning something like 'that which seperates one path into two/multiple'. The 'bol' / 'bolo' in the terms 'symbolo' and 'diabolos' has the same root and means something like path and 'sym' is to bring together while 'dia' means two (so to make two out of one). Lastly, the term religion then comes from the latin verb 'religere', which also means to bring things together. Thus religion and symbolism bring things into unity while the devil/diablo is something which seperates that which was in unity and splits it into multiple/many. I at least hope this is correct, it's something I heard somewhere but I am not 100% sure.
@@candaniel2 Yes, you are correct. The âboloâ part means âto throwâ. So a symbol is two things thrown together, while diabolo is to âthrow throughâ, meaning something thrown in between to cause a separation.
Yes, I mention all this in my videos last year for Mother's Day and Father's Day. You're really on it!
Thanks for sharing this, good convo
Yes, what we worship in each other . . when we come across it in its purest form we are moved to tears. Like what we see and feel in the Freedom Convoy. We are made in the image of God.
Wow, really great work all throughout, but I especially loved the discussion near the end about masculinity and femininity.
Glad you enjoyed it. We will be releasing another video later this week with an Orthodox Priest, Fr Michael Butler expanding on exactly that topic, so keep an eye out for it :)!
Go jon
If you're not aligned with yourself, you are not a good member of the community. Exactly. But what does it mean for you to be aligned in yourself?
To be aligned with yourself means that all the various parts of you are aligned under one central principle which resolves all internal paradox and is also aligned with reality. There are different ways of conceptualising that singular principle. Sub-optimal ones would be ideological principles such as "justice", "freedom", "equality" or "individual responsibility". Better would be something like "love" in the broadest understanding of the word. It is what Eastern religions refer to with ideas such as nirvana and Christians mean when they say "God". It enables the full integration of the whole without destroying any of the uniqeness of the parts. I recommend Matthieu Pageau's book "Language of Creation" to understand this better.
www.amazon.com/Language-Creation-Symbolism-Genesis-Commentary/dp/1981549331
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Iâm supposing Manifesto is not excludes gay men?
Hi Gregory, we do have men of different sexual persuasions and tendencies joining our events. We request that we maintain a "desexualized space" while at the event - especially no flirting or cruising. Feeling attraction to other men is not a problem. But acting on and expressing physical attraction is not allowed at our events as that would be a distraction from the work we are doing and detract from the intimacy we are creating.
@@ManiphestoMen fair enough. Thank you.
The symbolism of the ad for this video, is SO (đŻ) misleading.
Can you explain what you mean?
8:35 a glimpse of the wrath of Pageau đ kidding
Why canât it be called Father/Mother God ?
Using Jonathans terms, the father provides the seed, while the mother provides body - as is the case with human reproduction. Given that God the Father never has a physical body, he provides only the seed, or blueprint, or "revelation", he is always in the fatherly position relative to us. So it does not mean that God is male. It only means that we are always is a feminine, receptive position relative to God.