Maschine Plus vs MPC One /Live 2 | 20 Year MPC User Reacts to Maschine + Standalone
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- Native Instruments has shocked the producer world today by launching their first Maschine stand alone unit, Maschine Plus (Maschine +). As a long-time Akai MPC User I break down the advantages and disadvantages of this new piece of music production gear vs the Akai MPC One/Live 2!
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Im an NI and MPC user. One thing you didn't touch on unless I just missed it is NI introducing CLIPS. That changes the entire game. This is no longer a loop-based production system which means we can now place audio or patterns absolutely anywhere on the grid and record in free mode. This is something we've all waited a lifetime for out of "beat DAWs". That alone, to me at least, means MPC really has some catching up to do now.
Imagine Roland dropping a new MV with the new Fantom sound engine, and updated I/O and storage. That would be revolutionary. Or Yamaha finally releasing a RS7000 update with the Montage sound engine and better sampling. Those would be 🔥🔥🔥🔥. NI still has much work to do.
Awww man. There are so many ways they could take it to the next level! I think the software could be more beneficial than I am giving them credit for, but it's all about that hardware integration!
I mean isn't that kinda the MC-707... LOL
@@sixteenlevel Yes, kinda, almost.
Yeah ARX expandable that would kille'm too.That super natural shit would be to much fo sho.
William Oates oh I wish! Roland needs to drop the bangs! Mv8800 plus vsynth! Game over!
Great take. I’m a Maschine head, and I feel pretty similarly to you. I mostly just think the price point is too high for what it includes. It looks like a good device and I’d love to have one, but it feels like it should be more in the $900 range than $1400. I don’t personally care much about the touch screen (already very adept at Maschine’s controls from my Mk3), and I don’t personally use CV gate, but I agree those are both important features if you want MPC users to switch and/or dawless types to really love it. The lack of a battery is a pretty big disappointment to me. The included synths are huge, and I would expect NI to continue to port over all of their VSTs. And they have probably the single biggest library of sounds of any company, so that’s massive (forgive the pun). Overall, I want the thing - it looks great. But the price is just way too high.
Absolutely. I would love to have one as well, lol. I'm sure plenty of guys are gonna get it and crush it. I hope they do and make everyone overlook the shortcomings and show us what the strong points can really do!!! That's definitely happened before with lesser gear.
To me it is not expensive. An i pad costs that much.
@@castielvargastv7931 historically speaking it's not very expensive, and it could be used as a dope synth module as well so value-wise that's a good point. It should still have more I/O for that price though.
iamsight there is always room for improvement. At least the standalone version is a big step up and maybe the price comes down after a while.
with tax $1500/$1600
Imagine if CZcams actually had competition...
Speak on it!!! 💯💯💯💯
It’s crazy how it has less Features then the MPC one and cost more than the MPC Live 2.
@Nathaniel Walker FACTS
Bruh,MPCs the originator since 1988.......No speaker,No CV gates,no battery,no touch screen,no on board harddrive,only two midi ports,and probably no usb midi control for multiple instruments and The MPC has all of these features for less money you gotta be a dedicated Maschine Head,or just a dude with money to literally throw away or both.
We'll see man. I honestly love using synths when I can, and thats my one gripe with the Live 2, it needs more. With any luck this will push the envelope for us.
as a version 1 that's been in initial production since 2017 or so it's decent if a bit too expensive. I look forward to version 2
You’ve made some valid points. They definitely need to bring the price down to be more competitive
I agree with every point you brought up. 💯 But like I've been saying for years now, I think it's time Akai team up with Reason Studios and get the Rack functioning in the MPC environment because plenty of the Reason modules run very light and I have a gut feeling that The Rack extension format is better suited for more modest standalone gear than the VST format. I really hope this happens
OMG BRO! THAT WOULD BE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
YOOOO! that would be dopest shit ever
Dude. As a long time reason fanboy and mpc user I would love to see that
3 years ago when I first started making beats I was a big Maschine head but once I got an MPC I was hooked lol.
Dude. I love your channel. I've seen a few videos before but just now subscribed. I have no idea why you don't have more subscribers. And I have no idea why you've got even one dislike on this video. Every video I've seen you do boils down to real talk. Down-to-earth insight and thoughts. You know your info inside and out, and it's obvious your experience shows in all your videos.
That said, I totally agree with everything you said about the new Maschine+. It's way, way overpriced.
No battery. No XLR input or phantom power for a condenser mic. I've seen the CPU % skyrocket in that official NI video, and BoBeats' video, as well.
Maschine MK3 with a laptop has been used as a battery-powered standalone solution for the last few years. Short USB cable, you're good to go for 3-8 hours on your laptop's battery with the lid closed. For me, I get 4 hours, with a 9-year old powerful-as-fuck Dell Precision.
With the laptop... you get all the storage that's inside your laptop (for me, 1tb system drive and a second 1tb for additional storage).. and, the benefit of using a DAW or Maschine as a plugin inside a DAW. I have Reaper, Ableton, etc... it's all there. And it's portable and powerful.
I've never been much of an Akai guy... my whole life. I had an MPC60 years ago I should have held onto that my cousin sold me for just $50. Who'd have thought, pre-CZcams, it would become that much of a collector's item? DJ Shadow used one on his debut record.... and by then, I sold the MPC60. Just never dug the workflow much. Bought the MPC2000XL, liked it a little more but... then I bought a 1000. Sold them both as soon as Maschine 1.0 came out. Chopping samples was an absolute breeze. WAY faster than with the original MPCs.
Then, just a few months ago, Akai released MPC Beats. I was hooked, right away. Didn't think much of the software before, but now I'm like... ok. I get it. I bought a used MPC Studio black, got an MPC Touch used, and I'm considering an MPC One, for the dedicated buttons and the touchscreen, combined. And I couldn't agree more with the lack of good presets for those plugins. I tend to reach for the same 3 or 4 sounds. But I guess the strength of the MPC workflow is Keygroups... multisamples of all types of instruments, played chromatically, through 16 Level. That's how the MPC workflow was born. Also, I should say the factory content (especially the stuff that comes free with MPC Beats) is GOOD. What I don't like about Maschine is when you load a kit, it's just drum sounds and occasionally, useless weird electronic zaps and spacey sounds. When you load say, a hip-hop kit (Program) through Akai, you get good drum sounds and melodic hits/stabs all in the same key.. so you can immediately jam on all the pads, and make some music, without pressing record! Akai got it right with the software content.... that's what I wish NI would do more of. Instant drum sounds and melodic hits, so you can finger-drum and trigger stabs and jam on some golden-era shit, in seconds.
NI missed the mark, here. The main thing us Maschine users wanted for YEARS was a proper arranger/song mode, and the freedom to put anything anywhere on the timeline. Finally this is coming, which is great. But no way would that update ever make me consider selling my MK3. The arranger alone is what we've waited for, forever. Maschine+ is probably NI's way of winning Maschine users back, who bailed on Maschine since the arranger has sucked royally since day one. Too little, too late.
As a MIDI controller... Maschine Studio and MK3 (and even the MK2) are so, so dope.
$1400... nope. I'd buy an MPC Live 2 before Maschine+... (and I might, down the road... I really do like that Touch a lot... just wish the Live 2 had more useful dedicated buttons, especially Program Edit!! A glaring omission).
Anyway.. blah blah blah. Love the video and opinions, Sight. Thanks for the great content!!!
First of all, thank you for the fantastic feedback bro, it means a lot honestly man, I genuinely appreciate it 🙏
Secondly, thanks for the elaborate response on the video. After making this video I think it's past due that I break down my serious gripes with MPC, because it is far from perfect and has more than it's fair share of issues lol. You're spot on regarding it's weaknesses and strengths.
I honestly don't understand the dislikes either, other than obvious fanboyism, and possibly my lengthy preface before I got to Maschine. I just wanted to be clear that I have switched platforms before, and it's not below me to do it again for a superior product(at least for my needs). As a member of the producer community I am truly disappointed in the "Maschine guys" takes on this unit. It is some of the most either disingenuous, or inexperienced content I've seen in a while amd I honestly feel bad for a lot of their subs because they are not getting into what are, to me at least, glaring issues with it. With that said, I'm glad a lot of Maschine users in the community see my video for what it is. As honest a critique I could make with the information provided and with my experience using a standalone device for a few months now considered. I honestly hope this is the start of a real commitment from NI to push the market forward and I already see innovation in the software. I just hope the hardware choices don't choke it out before it gets to truly shine.
Thanks for the great reply! Yeah, totally agree about the "Maschine guys" and their take on it.
I've hated Akai for a long time (blocking comments on their videos, ignoring support, ignoring fixes for bugs, etc)... but, they're on a roll this year.
As far as gear I use... Maschine, Ableton, Reaper... MK3, Push2 / Launchpads, and random controllers for Reaper... and now, MPC Studio black / Touch... and inevitably, the One and Live 2 (as soon as my tax return comes)... sometimes you need all the gear, to get everything done that you want to. :)
Both companies are pushing forward, I think. And they have to, or they'll lose. No one's forgotten about Beatmaker 3 by Intua. :)
So what do you hate, about the MPC hardware and software?
Thanks again, Sight!
I was in the streets pre-virus. Right when mpc one dropped. Got me a job a place to live and ordered Mpc one right before quarantine. So I had to cancel the order when they closed down my job. Is taking me forever to save back that money to order mpc one again, now that my job re-open. For all of you guys who buy gear and then more and then more. I believe u have fallen in a materialistic trap/loop for the material. Well mpc one has all a man with nothing needs to make albums. And the price point is not beatable. To me it makes no sense. I sold my maschine studio on 2019 right before I went homeless and it hurt my soul in such a way. But I had some lessons I needed to learn. I feel such an enormous joy that mpc one exists. I believe it was created for people like me. Or exactly for me :)
Sorry for all your recent struggles bro, and I can relate... I had to sell all my gear (about 20k worth, which I built over 15 years) around 2012. I started from scratch in 2016/17 and now I have everything I need and more to enjoy my passion.
Long story short bro, this is just a phase you're going through. Keep focused on your goals and brighter visions of your future and keep working. All that experience is just making you better at surviving, and enjoying the simple things in life. Once you're in that mindstate of gratefulness, more blessings will come with less effort. Prayers up for you bro! 🙏
The one is dope. I don't have alot of money to spend on gear myself but it has been worth every penny. Also I felt like I wanted to move away from the daw and vst stuff and all its possibilitys I don't really need. Picking a central piece. Learning it in and out then expanding on that. I can recommend the mpc Bible. Great guide
I fell you brother I two had to sell my equipment that i built over the years we all go through choices in life but music is the soul and as long as you continue the journey brother your soul will always feel fule much love and respect
Sorry, Bro for your struggles ..keep your head up and pray to THE MOST HIGH. HE WILL TAKE YOU 100% IF YOU ASK HIM TO...1st chance you get, get a laptop and install FL STUDIO...that's all you need....trust me I have had everything don't waste your money on those boxes not worth it.
@@alansheppard6718 appreciate it brother but I also have computer phobia, I don’t want to have to deal with a lap top or computer
I was interviewed to help out being I'm an avid MPC X user and a vintage Mpc 3000 user. they absolutely could've done some things that would make them a real competitor in the standalone game, but Akai is leaps and bounds ahead of ALLLLLL the competition. good breakdown! waiting to see if they are going to send me one to do a side by side.
Bro I saw & liked this video before you hit me up about it & didn't realize the clip of the MV 8000 lol thank you for the shout-out & I wanna say all your videos are high quality. 10/10 content brother, keep it up!
🤣🤣🤣 That's hilarious bro. That means I rolled it in there mad smooth, lol. I appreciate that man, and looking forward to your future content as well. We gotta do a collab!
Agree with all of your points. As an MPC Live user for less than a year, and totally in love...workflow, sampling. Throwing those samples into the Quantum and GR-1 then back into the MPC is a blast. Making more beats/songs than ever and wish I got an MPC 20 years ago.
If NI were smart, they would release a box like this without the software, just the SYNTHS.
Give me lots of knobs to control parameters, filters, LFO's etc so we can sound design easier than on a pc. Doesn't need pads as it's designed for those with controllers/interfaces so lots of room.
Solid FX, min 3 active.On board control parameter (like the Octatrack slider) for distortion or lo-fi bit crushing etc
32 voices and 4 part multitimbral ideal, or 16 voices/2 part MT to get a lower price point. (I'd be sampling this thing for days either way!)
Arpeggiator, basic sequencer (possibly)
Upgradeable to new VSTs and patch downloads.
Brother, I'd easily pay $750-1K if they did it right. Would take advantage of the many people going dawless. Just the MPC user market alone would eat it up, as you said, the internal synths are lacking (I use 90% of my own samples).
This shouldn't be that hard to do and I think it would kill. What other sound module (or synth) would compete with this? I wonder how many others would be into this as much as myself...
Also wanted to say, your approach and delivery are so easily absorbed. Your experience shows, depth without fluff. Subscribed.
I agree, it us SUPER interesting as a sound module, but the I/O SUCKS! 4,6, or 8 outs would have made it a phenomenal sound design tool.
Ableton could give Akai some work if they came out with A Push that could be a standalone with a battery and a touch screen with all of the sounds and plug ins of there suite software.....
I think the Akai Force is kinda based on that concept.
Yeah - it would be expensive, but pretty much the ultimate instrument! Only had MPC ONE for a few weeks and loving it, but finding I end up doing the final tweaks and mix with Ableton... Maybe when I learn the ONE better that will be less.
1st! Congrats on ur Beyerdynamic DT770. I'm looking forward to a review on those from u hopefully soon. I love ur preface about the advantages of competition and how it helps the consumer. Then you go into the review in an honest fashion. U didn't bash but u did give ur opinion on NI and stated facts. Thank you. It really helps. I have a MPC Live 1 and love it. Sometimes we just want shiny and new, when we should master the tools we already have. (I will say it's exciting to check out new gear!) I look forward to ur next video bruh!!
Thanks for the great feedback! I love the 770s. They're so honest. I'm still putting them thru their paces, but so far they're a great pickup!
"Innovation and competition always leads to better things for us... the consumers" FACTS! I'm excited to see where both of these manufacturers go
I appreciate the comment bro, thanks for watching. I'm glad NI is in the arena now and it's going to be interesting to see how much value people end up placing on software features vs. hardware/interface. There's a major movement in the industry to "put down the mouse" and I think they could have done more to address that, but we'll see what the response is.
@@labandlegacy yea man. I started finding people who rarely touched the mouse and did so much in Maschine that it made me want to get better at that type of workflow. I mean, I been using Maschine for 10 years, I feel like I should be comfortable by now, but that's what the mouse has done to me. I've relied on it so much because it was just easier for me, so I feel like this iteration of maschine will force that out of people. Its a good thing!
also, you can put an SSD in the Live 2, which is huge. also the Live 2 has bluetooth (although i have no idea why Akai didn't support streaming audio so you can wirelessly sample from your phone).
I wanna know about functionality and immediacy of production, to intrigue the new users.
I crushed the 280 page Akai Force manual down to 25 pages. For quick reference purposes.
Enjoying the video, let me get back to watching it.
And the winner is... THE CONSUMER!!!!!!!!!
My man Sight, always fair and balanced. Dude in the video only touched on the editing, which there's more to it than what he showed. You can easily select groups of midi notes (not just 1 at a time). Also, the 8 knobs have things attached to them and the touch strip has a LOT of different functions. Like, a LOT depending on what you're doing. I'm gon share this though fo sho! Battery power would be VERY much welcomed!
I would love to see how the midi editing works. I have to do some more research on that! Thanks for tuning in bro!
@@labandlegacy you can do individual notes or a range of notes (move, pitch shift, length or velocity). Also, the 8 knobs are touch sensitive. Depending on what you're doing, when you touch them, a drop down appears. It's real dope when searching for sounds.
It needs to be the maschine studio model with all the standalone features plus 1/4 in outs and cv...
Great review, although I was hoping you'd do hands-on - although I don't think NI would lend you one after that review - OUCH! Best though... coming from someone with real knowledge. I've had an MPC ONE for just a few weeks and am just _loving_it_ so what you say makes a load of sense. One of the main reasons I got a ONE is for the CV/gate output to work with my analogue gear, so the Plus is not even in my field of interest. Despite all the floors, as you said, some competition will help us hopefully get more Akai MPC features...
Thanks for the feedback. I tried to pay attention to all the current standalone users in my community and I'm pretty keen on what motivates them. Getting away from the computer is a major movement in our community, and I just think they ignored some key ways to address and attract that user base. If they do a "Pro" version with better I/O it can really create a stir. I'm glad they're in the arena though.
I’m a Maschine head but this right here, is a waste if you ask me. Peeps want portable over standalone and the price, really ha ha NI push this out in desperation. I hope they release a new software update, my Mk3 is fine.
I got onto maschine this year, and I always felt it already had the means to be stand alone...and it is exactly what NI did. The hardware is pretty much the mk3. I always felt they should have made the mk3 stand alone somehow, and release something more live oriented instead for those who love the perform.
Gemini4D Music My mk2 is fine too!
@@gdupbeats6648 you think artists know or care what system you use? 😅 Are you in high school bro? Do you do everything in your life based on what other people are doing? This is a follower question my guy. You gotta level up your mindset.
@@gdupbeats6648 That's why you're arguing with me on MY channel (where I can make you disappear with the tap of my screen) with no subs or relevant content of your own 🤣🤣🤣 Gotchu.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 If you think CZcams isn't making people money, you're dumber than I thought you were. You really lost out here bro. Word from the wise: worry about your own shit. You'll get much further in life. If you spent as much time on your own craft as you do on relevant people's content, you might actually make some money yourself. Smfh
its going to sell to people that live and work in the native instrument world and want a pad controller / drum machine, it will have its upsides with extra synths but it won't make MPC owners go sell their units and relearn a new workflow for minimal advantages, if any, Im sticking with #MPCGANG
All the Maschine guys I've talked to are disappointed too. I hope it does well though, because it can really make things interesting. I just dont understand not having a battery or a touch screen. Really could have made it a "premium" contender, and they could have made a "Mikro" without it.
@iamsight I think Akai killed NI with the ONE. Let’s be honest, for 100 bucks more than Maschine Mk3 controller, you get a killer standalone groovebox. NI couldn’t compete with that. ONE is really a bargain.
@@LukezyM i disagree with iamsight because I think this device is running on a different platform.... say linux. And i think it may take time for them to port all your favorite maschine drumkits and synths to it... especially the complicated ones. Something tells people are gonna have to wait for stuff with this new device. When they get Komplete on it, I'll be impressed.
wutsup g Best thing is to wait with new products, at least a year. Let them fix bugs.
@@LukezyM You're absolutely right man. 1st gen products can be a headache. I think when it is all said and done, this will be an excellent addition to the Native Instruments family of products. There's a lot of good stuff packed within this box. It's well designed and thought out. But this thing would absolutely kill if it had a battery. I think that is a missed opportunity. Even if it didn't come with a battery, they should've added a battery compartment and give folks that want it the option to purchase a battery. Bottom line, i don't think the people who are already using a Maschine Mk3 will jump to the + immediately because there's no trick they can do on the + they can't do already.
I love your review. This was the most critical in I saw. I don’t see the need if it can’t replace the controller. If the price of the MK3 goes down. I will get that! I still want the mpc X
I may be thinking way out the box, tho the One has 2 main stereo outs, I’m thinking at some point with an update, the cv gates will be able to be used for tracking out which will bring the One to officially 6 outputs so u can track straight out into an audio face with enough outputs
🤔 Interesting theory
Good vid! Yo why is everyone looking at this Vintage king site when NI sent me an email with links to thier site with ALL the info on this....or was that just me? lol i looked at all of this stuff 3 days ago on Ni's site. you are spot on with the line about good for the consumer! Hopefully this pushes Akai to do more with the DAW upgrades! 8 of thier plugins on standalone and can choose some expansions of your own choosing to use in standalone too. will be interesting to see when it officially drops how it is in real world use.
Oh you're in the NI PIPELINE huh? 🤣 Nah it's just the only link I saw with the price and stuff. I don't have any NI products so I didn't get the VIP info 😅
Man thank you for pointing out the navigation on the screen on the notes. Im almost feeling like its better for me to keep producing on a pc or a laptop. The maschine ➕ is more suitable for producers on the go.
Yeah that's probably the most disappointing part. What good are a ton of great synth sounds if midi editing is a nightmare? 😓 They're gonna need a solution for that.
@@labandlegacy You forgot to mention automation which would be even worse in standalone on Maschine+. On the MPC you can see and edit automation on the screen in grid view, and then got to step view for more detailed editing. On Maschine the only way to "edit" automation is to delete it and start over again because you don't see any automation information on screen other than the numbers moving around. That's going to be a pretty clunky workflow imo. The MPC wins that hands down.
I think you done said every thing that NEEDED TO BE SAID! Appreciate the review. #SameGanG
The MPC Gang group on Facebook is yours? Wow! Subbed. I just purchased the one today.
Welcome to the channel, and the Gang!
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@@labandlegacy Thanks big bruh! I gotta find you on Twitter now. Just a few years ago I wanted a Maschine. One thing I do know about competition is there is nothing like the originators. These drums about to get real punchy from that MPC sound. It's LEGENDARY!
@@Sol_Keez I suck at Twitter, I gotta get myself back in the game lol
Great video! All though it’s not fair to compare what works best unless you’re going to actually compare (like grab a Maschine and compare the touch strip and you can also use the knob on Maschine). I’m in agreement the price is high! However, the cost of the Maschine studio was $1200 is this not better than the Studio 🤔? Looks like they’re competing with themselves and not Akia if you ask me. For the price I would have liked to see touchscreen and/or a battery. It all comes down to: is there something about the product that will enhance your music production? For me it’s a NO but I kinda still want one 😫
It's in itself a great piece of gear and people are gonna make some 🔥🔥🔥🔥 with it. This was more from a competition perspective, but honestly it has WAY more than enough tools to justify the price for a lot of people.
Hello Mate,
Thank you for your as usually very informative video.
One question, I was waiting until this time. Maschine + or Roland MC 707, what would you choose as the center of someone’s outside DAW production?
Thank’s in advance
Thanks for watching! I'm actually not very familiar with the MC 707, but I'm pretty sure the Maschine + is going to be more of a full-featured workstation with "modern amenities" so to speak but strangely the Plus has less I/O than even the 707 🤦♂️ I think the 707 is more of a "live performance instrument" and the Maschine will likely more of a centerpiece for the studio but will probably be good for live performances as well.
iamsight thank you Bro! Good luck.
I really hope for competition to Akai, but i don't see this being that competition. Not with the hardware limitations and price.
If i've got to be connected to a wall, i could get an mpc one + korg minilogue XD module (or many many many many other capable synths) for less than the machine+. Wouldn't take up much more space. Wouldn't be any less tethered to a wall.
I'm sure the soft synths will sound great, but even in a daw i bounce my soft synths to audio. I just don't see the plugins pulling me away from mpc for this price.
Now when the Standalone Push 3 comes out....... that's another story.
Dope video! You made some really good points that brought me back to earth.
🤣🤣🤣 I don't know if you heard the energy leaving my voice the more I got into the details, lol. I'm hoping rhe "cool kids" who use Maschine show us something we didnt expect! 🤞
iamsight no doubt. I want to see what people do on it before I make a decision on it. Like I said, you made some real good points. I’m not sure they synths are enough to “sell” it. Aaaand that small screen. I love my mpc live man.
love your approach and how you handle this I own Maschine 2 and also have a MPC 2500 I love them both and use them both
You kinda have the best of both worlds bro. It's hard to say because between those 2 you can pretty much accomplish anything you need to, plus you have a standalone unit and a controller. You've got the bases covered as far as drums and samples. I think if you're looking for something that's gonna be a different experience I would look into the Live 2. The battery and speaker enable you to get away from the studio and just create anywhere. Even if it's just another area of your home, lol. Going on my back porch or to my garage and banging out beats is just a really fun option, not to mention bringing it on family trips.
@@labandlegacy I actually been looking into the MPC Live 2 and pulled the trigger a couple of days ago your videos definitely helped me decided and how you put it and your approach made a lot of sense I cant wait to use it and take it anywhere in the house and back yard or just treat like a Basket ball love that approach you said also TY
Have you noticed static/clipping when working on songs in the MPC One? Seems like it might struggle with certain processed sounds. Is this something you’ve experienced also?
No, I haven't experienced anything like that unless sometimes using certain effects, but it was actual clipping from having the levels too hot.
@@labandlegacy ok. Thanks. Might have to exchange my MPC one for another one. I’m hearing static/distortion on all of my beats.
If you can, jump in the MPC Gang group on FB and make a video post with the problem and your setup. A lot of guys in the group that can help u troubleshoot it.
Fan boy or not… lol.. I have been a user of Akai since the mpc2000xl. Switched over to the Maschine Studio to get more into software based gear along with presonus 1. It has been good but always felt something missing from the flow, creativity, etc… fast forward to today and the battle of maschine vs. mpc for the last several years, I came across you vid looking for some help in making the change back to mpc. With so many vs. videos out there your short chat about pros and cons have brought up so many good points. I just added to cart and checked out expecting delivery!!! Thank you! I feel so good with the purchase and buyers regret is non existent! I guess I am now in the small percentile of users that can say they have both and utilize either based upon the project. Keep making great material and see you on the next video! Like, share and subscribe… yes please! Peace ✌️!
Congrats on the pick up! It’s great to have both options that you can switch between to stay inspired. Thanks for watching and for the dope feedback!
We will wait till the price drops ;)
Yo my guy, love the videos, just had a few questions if you see this, I use an arturia keystep, would you recommend upgrading from that, so far it does me good but I don't love the ribbon strips for pitch bends and the mod wheel, and do you have any recommendations for that. Also what are you propping up your live with, is that just a 2x4 underneath it on your desk? and lastly, where should I start looking for good samples, I follow the facebook group, copped your upgrade and warchest, and frequent freesound, but are there any lowkey fire resources for samples you know about? Keep up the great work, appreciate you brother
I appreciate the feedback bro! I did a video about MPC stands a few weeks back that shows all the devices I chose to prop them up, check that out when u get a minute it has the pros & cons and links in the description. I have a really basic midi controller so it's hard to say. Your Arturia is definitely better than mine, but if you hate the ergonomics definitely sell it and get something better. Life's too short to stay with tools that are uncomfortable, lol.
As far as samples, what types of producers do you like most? I can tell you which types of kits to check out.
@@labandlegacy yoooooo thanks for the reply, I'm a big fan dude, this is dope I'm stoked, and just off the top of my head clams casino, metro, Kenny beats, flying lotus, you know shit like that.
but also weird shit like Joni Void, Blithe Field, kinda ambient shit like Ricky Eat Acid, Evenings is amazing and his sample game is ridiculous, the song friends(lovers) is crazy, just shit like that I guess. The avalanches are crazy, and not trying to think too hard so the last thing that comes to mind is The Books, especially the song "enjoy your worries now you may never have them again", Though I imagine they either make their own samples or crate dig.
I'll def look into a new keyboard, the yamaha reface series apparently has an incredible action and keybed, and are also themselves really great replications of classic sounds.
Thanks for the advice and your time my dude, and thanks for making this channel the quality and breadth of content about the MPC and producing are ridiculous, you're the goat
Also shit like the alchemist, quelle chris, EL-P, you know that kind of noise
@@dangcity1061 Gotcha! So it sounds like you like a lot of unorthodox style producers with one commonality: Slappin ass drums 🤣🤣🤣 As far as drum kits I think Beat Butcha is putting out some of the dopest packs for Boom-Bap/Lo-Fi and kinda like soulful beats. I also like the first 5 or 6 BLAP kits from ILLMind for that kind of stuff.
Great information, Thank you for sharing 🙏🏾
I appreciate you tuning in once again! 💯
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when the Isla S2400 drops it will get both Akai and Native Instruments users attention
🤣🤣🤣 I don't think so bro. Thats a very niche product. Doesn't really do the same things.
It’s gone wind up like the Open Labs drum machine😂😂😂
Great overview, Mr. Sight. Maschine is not for me but I'd just like to say Vintage King is def a legit joint. I've ordered from them for years (mostly modular synth stuff) and their LA showroom is a seriously impressive collection of premium high end gear.
I gotta check them out next time I'm out there! Thanks for watching and for the feedback 💯💯💯🤜💥🤛
Behringer is speaking about a sampler standalone but they should come with something fast as people are going to Akai MPc one, really at least they should give us an estimation date...I’m waiting but how long can I wait until I get a MPc one...
Behringer Jam will not happen in the near future I think. But I'm waiting for that box, too.
Christian Steifen at the end, I bought a MPC 500 in second hand and I’m really happy...now the only company could make me buy more music gear is TE
@@jimijouk Nice. Have fun with it. I have an MPC One and I like it, but all the bugs and Freezes that happen to frequently piss me off right now. I think about buying an MPC 1000 or 2500.
Right and exact my man....took the words out of my mouth!!
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The real question is if this will allow you to load 3rd party synths n vst’s via external sd card or usb storage without a pc
I highly doubt it, but there will likely be some great 3rd party "partners" who make stuff for it. That alone could make it a game changer.
You hit the nail on the head
I couldn’t use the Maschine on a gig because there are only two outs. If I wanna run a track, I need to be able to send my drummer a click on its own output, in addition to the stereo pair I’d send to FOH.
Don't really know who this is targeted to: Not enough outs for live or sound design as a module, existing NI users have most of the synths, so they would be paying extra to own them twice... the price is too high for someone just getting started, and with no battery it's not gonna appeal to mobile beatmakers. I really don't get it.. at all
At this point I wouldn't change anything I have maschine 1 and i probably wouldn't buy the maschine + and I always keep my MPC live 2. All the viewpoints Point towards the three shots in the foot thank you for your input and thank you for your research you're awesome brother
Thanksnfor watching and for the dope feedback! 🤜💥🤛
@@labandlegacy it's time to get back and make your music the way it used to be along with the new tools that are available sorry bro I choose you as my mentor first Jesus God and Holy Spirit and then you I made mad music for 30 years
For 800 or 900 yea I would consider it but I rather give the mk3 together with komplete 13 a shot or so. Personally I believe this to be a expensive downgrade from the mk3/daw combo people are used to especially when you're making music in the studio most of the time anyway. It needs a lil more to justify the price imo. I know it's not out yet and I'm not hating. Actually I hope it is amazing and worth every penny
Respect to you for keeping a balanced and real discussion Sight. I think we need less petty polarized bashing and more unity around what we're actually using our tools for. Don't agree with everything you say, but then again Maschine lines up with everything I want and need personally and this is a luxurious extention of it. From one long time mpc user to another, I really think it goes beyond the specs and boils to the method of sequencing on them. AND you're one of few CZcamsrs that knows how to knock a real banger out.
I really appreciate that bro 🙏 It definitely addresses a good chunk of their core audience, I just think they could have made it a lot more interesting if they had a battery in it. I'm sure they will change the game with the on-board sounds though, so it will bring about some dope content and innovation from that standpoint. I'm looking forward to seeing it in action. It only takes a couple unique qualities to make it stand out from the pack. Hell, SP404s are alive today based on just those on board FX lol. I'm sure it will carve out a lane
@@labandlegacy Yeah the plugins are probably what stands out the most, hopefully it'll put some fire in Akai's ass when it comes to pushing out some more of their own! The current line is lightyears ahead in functionality from where we started but really the only gripe I have with it personally is having to manage samples. It's not a big deal compared to literally sampling everything and managing with 1 mb or so of memory and you can get pretty far with Tubesynth and Bassline alone but hey I'm spoilt at this point haha. Add a tag-based browse system on top of that and it bumps up to a whole other level for me.
@@BlezzBeats they have it on the software so they just need a way to get that browse system over to standalone.
@@labandlegacy Yeah!
I'm probably the only one thinking about selling my Live OG to pick this up, because the maschine is my original work flow. But I love having a built in battery.
I TOTALLY understand that. That "native" workflow is a major factor. If it wasn't, I would have been on Maschine a long time ago, lol
Curious to see more from this as it rolls out. I’m deep in the NI ecosystem. What I like so far is completion. When there’s competition the winner is always the consumer. Great videos, man.
Absolutely bro. If you're invested, this is a really cool piece to add to the environment 💯💯💯
iamsight I remember the Akai Force came out at 1500 and went down to 999. I hope I see this kinda happen 🤷♂️
Matthew Fiermonti that’s what I expect to happen. Though, I think it will stay above a grand. I think it’s $200-$400 over the price point it should sit at. Onboard VSTs are a big deal, but I expect the price drop to be more on the conservative side.
Great news for the producers. I am looking forward to seeing the Behringer Jam and I really hope Ableton will also release a standalone as well. Nicely put together 😁👍🏿
Ableton doesn't need a standalone in my opinion. They need to make an MPC like controller for it or an EPS/ASR keyboard controller for it
It doesn't even compete, at all, not for that asking price, no battery, few I/O, no touchscreen. However, as you stated, hopefully this stokes innovation on Akai's part and they get some better synths in their current standalone lineup. Tube synth is alright but NI's synths are on another level.
Great analysis of this new box from NI. I thought your points were spot on. I can tell you've been doing this for a couple of minutes. Points that I agree with include lack of battery power, dependance on functioning with no touch screen (even though I get that they couldn't just straight copy that to the unit----that could be construed as reverse engineering--LOL) and I thought the Ram could have been doubled and the storage---IMOP---could have been quadrupled, or just put a standard hard drive unit that could be upgraded. I also could sign off on another commenter's remark that this could have been a rush job to remain flexible in the market. I almost wish it were a rush job----that would give them a better excuse---but we all know they have had plenty of time to plan this out and think it through. Great Job, I am a new subscriber due to this review.
Great feedback and points bro! Thank you and welcome to the channel! 🙌🤜💥🤛
Thorough once again Sir ! Logical crtical think applied to both developers.
Endlessly better than MPC Live and One (which was just an attempt to fix Live) but why no condenser mic input and battery?
Better... how? Less EVERYthing (other than plugins), but more money. Please elaborate
I had pretty much the same reaction as iamsight. I would love to have NI software in an MPC Live ii unit. I also like having a mic input. But, versus the Live ii, I would miss the rechargeable battery, the speakers, the 2tb SSD expansion, and the touch screen. I do hope the Maschine+ motivates Akaipro to add a mic input and give us more RAM.
You can tho, it opens up in maschine as a plug in
Way overpriced for something I still have to have plugged into a wall. Especially when I can get a live mk1 for 600-800 or an mpc one and battery pack for 750. Hard pass for me.
Yeah man. It's making less and less sense the more I look at it, but we'll see how good the effects are. If it creates unique sounds and replaces the need for certain plugin purchases it could be valuable. It's definitely not the "killer" I would have expected.
Stand alone massive, reaktor, and kontakt? That is a game changer right there. Overnight it's the one of the most interesting sound modules ever built. (we still will have to see how it handles cpu etc) yeah, its pricey. But there is a reason the net is going mad today with this. Akai just got slumped
@@krakapoww The issue for me is the price point for what you're getting. I already own all of those vsts. Tbh if I can't take it anywhere I want to without having to be tethered to a wall it's not really standalone. Yea I know I can by a dc power pack, but why do I have to take the bunt of the cost to truly be standalone. At least with the mpc one its half the price with the same functionality. Let alone me being able to control outboard synths via cv or midi and be able to connect an ipad to get the hundreds of synths available on the app store.
Yah, no battery is a deal breaker for me. Good points about competition and innovation. Thanks for the analysis.
@@krakapoww fersure, massive, monark, reaktor, and kontact in stand alone is super strong! but some of the hardware limitations put it at a disadvantage. usually, people get standalone stuff to control multiple external analog gear. the lack of connectivity, touch screen, battery, and some other things definitely put it in a disadvantage. Like take a serious look at Akai MPC live.
Once that komplete ultimate hit when I’m standalone it will be checkmate for akai you can get around the midi import with usbmidi interfaces
Ok, so youre saying you have to connect another piece of gear to navigate quicker? Whats the point? Stand... alone lol. Who wants a standalone unit that needs to be connected other pieces to work right? Might as well have a MK3 at that point.
iamsight I was saying whenever native instruments implement the full komplete vst to store on the hard drive. and I use that midi work around with my Mpc one with the midi tech it’s class compliant no computer needed just plug it into the Mpc one and I have 4 midi ins and 4 midi outs. And I own a Mk3 learned it I like both units for different reasons. Mpc hands down best for sample editing. The Mk3 shines at file management stability great integration with there software and other devices such as komplete kontrol works flawlessly with the Mk3. One other thing I wish the Mpc had was a pitch slider like the Mk3 that minor thing makes the world of difference when doing a bassline on pads. My workflow sample based beat MPC ALL DAY, but if I’m making a beat with no samples mainly me playing MK3 all day navigating threw presets feel like hardware
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sight...good review bro .as always.
I appreciate it bro! It was more of a first thoughts since I haven't used one yet, but I was trying to break things down from the perspective of someone who uses standalone pretty often and knows the challenges and benefits. I'm glad the community has been appreciating that.
06:48 ...exactly. I noticed that playing my MPC One. Pretty sure Akai will soon come out with a bunch of new patches..lol. You are correct when you say Innovation and Competition always leads to better things for us...the consumers" dope video bro
Thanks for tuning in bro! If it drops in price a little bit, I may have to cop.... you know... "for the channel" 🤣🤣🤣
I’am a MV8800 user, I respect ✊ MV users, I subscribed because of this point. This new concept of standalone Maschine MK3 by Native Instruments is questioning me about the missing battery, the VGA output missing, the mouse input or touchscreen missing. Back from Roland MV8800 I think that is an unkomplete product. Maybe next Maschine plus Studio or MK3 plus version would resolve this, and Native Instruments will improve from his mistakes.
Man I miss my MV8800. I wish Live had the transport buttons as the one. Since I have the MK3 and a Push2 I’d probably get an MPD32 and use it with my IPad Pro.
It’s weird people claim they want to get away from the computer and go Dawless but they then gripe about a device not having all the conveniences of a DAW.
Very true! I think of standalone as somewhat of a minimalist approach, and simplifying your creative process, but some people are into the novelty of it. Midi editing is so crucial for a synth-based production style though, so I think the lack of a touch screen to edit notes is a big mistake. I could be wrong though.
iamsight I mean Pyramid, Engine, Carbon are all excellent hardware midi sequencers and none of those have a touch screen. I sort of equate it to people who want to get into modular synths but then complain they can’t save the patches they created. I think it really comes down to making the commitment. If you can’t handle working with a limited number of midi tracks or having a streamlined approach in general, maybe it’s best to stick with a computer.
@@EverettDudgeon138 You're so right. People will find something to complain about, no matter what they are given. Especially if they've never dealt with the older devices. I'm trying to learn to make the best of the gear I have. Even with the limitations. There was a time when I could only wish I had studio equipment. Man, I'm so thankful for progress 👀👍🏽😉
Thank you for telling the truth bro
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🤜🏾💥🤛🏽u don’t know how many producers and content creators sugarcoat shit, I’m a fan of NI but I’m jumpin’ ship for the MPC Live 2
I see it man, and honestly it's very disturbing. I pay for everything I own, so I don't care if these companies like me or not. My money, my opinion lol. I may never get any advance units, and that's fine, but nobody will be able to say I vouch for something that I don't personally like.
The messed up thing is most people already have those kits, and instruments. It's hard to justify paying $1,400 for people that have built up a library with previous Maschine hardware. It looks appealing, but the price is steep as an upgrade.
IMO NI missed the boat on this one. While it’s nice they finally joined the standalone market, it’s not portable and has no built in battery. This also doesn’t accept take third party vsts. You’re having to use their sounds. They got great sounds but I’d prefer to have the flexibility of adding more third party sounds. But I guess that’s where the sd slot comes in. And the price point is literally double the price of an mpc one. So I think I’m good with my mpc.
I’m new to this but what’s the big difference between machine and mpc? Do one do something the other don’t? Right now I’m debating weather to get the mk3 or the mpc one.
You can make the same quality of music in either. There really isn't a huge difference between the One and Maschine Plus, which is why the price tag is confusing. The difference is each company's philosphy. MPC is a sequencer built around a sampler, Maschine is a sequencer built around plugins. Both can sample, and use synths, but the focus is stronger for each respectively.
@@labandlegacy thanks, I think I'm going to go for the mpc one
Considering the new apple silicon and the imminent need for developers to migrate software to this new SOC, I keep thinking it would have been a better solution to simply make the Machine Software able to run on the iPad Pro. That would solve 1.- the storage, 2. processing power and 3. Portability. All the above needed of a “stand alone Maschine”. I mean everyone is saying how easy its gonna be to run apps crossplatform between MacOs an iPad OS...
That's true, but Apple is infamous for making developers pay hefty percentages of their earnings in perpetuity. I don't blame anyone for avoiding that type of slave agreement lol. Apple is falling into the "Walmart" category for me personally. As convenient as they have made themselves to be, they bully product developers with their terms and are bordering on a monopoly.
Woke up pretty excited but after trying SeratoStudio both Maschine and MPC is just overly complicated and the lack of key/pitch A.I. is just killing me. If you haven't tried SeratoStudio you really need to give it a go!
if u can use your 3rd party kontakt libraries and other vst in this its a wrap but i totally agree with u 1400 no touch screen and the edit function no zoom. Mpc software in my op is the best next to studio one.
Your comments on Maschine+ are totally legit. I like NI but as it comes to gear they often make strange decisions, and based on that people wave away to some other solutions.
Maybe they just count on hard core fans as you've said, but knowing recent NI problems why they do not open themselves to the new potential clients/switchers that is a mystery for me.
really good insight in a lot of angles my man. As a maschine mk3 user he got the cons right
I appreciate that bro! Thanks for watching! 🤜💥🤛
A good friend of mine that actually had input on what NI was doing with the M+ told me last November that they were working on the stand-alone maschine. He told me back THEN that they were ready to release it, but they got a lot of negative feedback from the producer insiders about it being stand-alone and yet still having to be plugged in. So they delayed it. It’s interesting that half a year later they dropped it and still didn’t add the battery!
I think they should have released the M+ as stand-alone with battery. And then released a cheaper stand-alone micro version to compete with the mpc one that needs to be plugged in.... or just have batteries for both units. They definitely have to drop that price. I’m a huge Maschine user. I have been considering the MPC Live for some time because of the ability to take it out of the studio, on a plane, on a beach... You know, places where you don’t have a power outlet. I can take my MK3 and my laptop anywhere I want. Plug the MK3 my laptop via usb only and drum away. With the M+, I can only use it wherever there’s a power source. And if I’m somewhere that has a power source, I might as well just plug in my laptop too! The M+ could have been $500 and that still would be a deal killer for me.
Great insights there. Yeah that makes it very disappointing. As a Live 2 owner, I absolutely love the ability to create anywhere unplugged. Prior to this I had the MPC Studio with a Macbook which has a very similar form factor to the MK3 and it was a sick setup. Very powerful, portable and could go unplugged for about 2 hours. Prior to the Live 2 it was probably the most fun I've had making music. Just can't see why someone would choose this over a MK3 and a laptop.
Yes I’m definitely re-considering the Live 2. I waited around because I know the stand alone maschine was coming. I’m not going to wait for them to come up with something else. It’s been long enough. I’ll probably be using Kit Maker to transfer all my Maschine kits to MPC. Pick up the Live 2 and call it a day. Great video!
That Kit maker is A1. I have a couple Maschine expansions and they are 🔥🔥🔥🔥
17:05 I would not count on Native releasing a + Touch anytime soon :) They released the MK3 three years ago and they just re-released the same exact product with a CPU inside. And if this is already 1400usd that would have to be like 2400usd. If they come up with a Maschine Studio + that would most likely be the next step for Maschine with a touch screen but then they should have released this for 800-900 usd and have the Studio + be 1400-1700usd. 5 years from now is when i see Native updating the + to true portability and a touch screen.
I think it can be surmised that NI had the M+ already in development ( some time back ) when Akai came out with the Mpc live. Taking into account all their recent troubles and pink slipping of numerous employees not long ago, I think their options were limited and the price point reflects them trying to recoup and recover. When their troubles and downsizing began, the M+ was probably put on the shelf and left in limbo. This is likely why it lacks a number of expected features, because it reflects the time period it was actually conceived. Lets not forget that the MK3 was released October 5, 2017, so it likely was conceived in 2016.
I think NI pulled the plug on the M+ when they saw what Akai had to offer. I believe the decision was made to resurrect the release of the M+ to see if it could help save the company and bring in revenue. They were doing too much with releasing DJ stuff, audio interfaces, the Jam and keyboard controllers. If this flops, who knows what NI's future holds.
slapopimp I personally don't think the + was in development for long. This looks like a quick fix. Akai has released 4 standalone MPC's already (5if you count Live I & II) making it a standard Native wasn't following and NI was hearing about it constantly and had to react.
@@epicon6 When the downsizing happened and more info started flowing from employees that were affected as posted in forums, I saw a comment about a Machine hardware that was being worked on by a team that was pink slipped. I'm a beta tester for the Maschine software and updates and features aren't swift and abundant. These things take time unless a massive team is working on it's development. With that in mind, you can't crank out an hardware device like this in a month or two especially a small company that had massive layoffs and restructuring. I think this device reflects it's time of development.
Akai MPC's and samplers have always been hardware. Maschine had knocked Akai off their square for a hot minute and they responded with their own software/ controller to compete. Akai simply returned to their roots and then some. NI already has a solid Maschine user base and I don't think they felt an urgency to compete with a company known for hardware all of a sudden.
BRUH!!!!!! "It's a little bit arrogant... a little bit arrogant"LOLOLMAO!! Bro? That comment alone made me subscribe LOL!!!!! Once again.... good content!!
🤣🤣🤣 Welcome to the channel bro! 💯💯💯
Great video as always. Me personally, I ain't giving up my beloved touch screen for love nor money lol
🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, I love the touch screen too. When this upgrade with the new XY hits, it's gonna be next level.
I don’t agree with your opinion about the touch screen, as an mk3 and mpc one owner, I have to say that the touch screen is sometimes really disappointing when it’s about moving notes. The nudge function on mk3 is pretty more strict forward.
I would have to see how you select chords or multiple notes on Maschine. I'll be honest, doesn't look like a lot of fun! 🤣🤣🤣
The companies competing is good for all of us users... good video.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching! 🤜💥🤛
iamsight I hope it means an upgrade or addition of plugins... my least favorite part of my Mpc live.
You can buy a mpc one and an mpk, make better music and have money left over. Sorry NI stick to my MPC. Good lookin out on the video! Peace.
Good point! Thanks for watching 🤜💥🤛
MPC Gang ALL DAY!!! 👌🤜🎧🎛👑🔥🎹
Hey iamsight, I would love to see how many audio tracks it can do? Can it do any linear audio? Mpc does 8 stereo, I would like to see at least 16-24 track of audio.
Me too. That's a great question
Same here man. I would like to know indeed.
if you didnt have a laptop, or any synths its great value, it includes massive, monark, fm8, its steep for someone lile me who already has those, but its a good bundle for those with nothing
I agree, it is very good in it's own right, but new producers with no laptop aren't gonna get a standalone device for $1400 when they can get one for $700 that has a touch screen from the market leader. A newb isn't going to understand the value in NI's library. Hell I've been making music for 20 years and I don't really understand it lol. I've never had someone say "yeah, I don't know man... that modeled piano could have sounded more authentic if it was multisampled with 2 to 3 more layers of velocity" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@labandlegacy this is true, and it is a failure on NI marketing team, they focused on so mamy things when they couldve emphasized the software inside youre getting and the value of it, so many fm8 and massive patches out there right now that are used in top tracks all in box
I’m not sure NI was thinking competitively. A battery would have almost made this a must have. If they make a Maschine Mikro plus with a battery at a decent price point, I think they would have a competitive piece. I’ll keep rocking the MPC Live and the Maschine Studio in the DAW for now but I’m watching.
Yo! when are you gonna have more Mpc gang hoodies in stock?
I bought it. Imo it's well worth the price to have something like this in my specific situation, which is it'll be a while till I can set my studio back up from moving across country. I have the money as well. Otherwise... I'd save your doe, plenty of other options out there.
good points
I already know I’m getting this bro. Lol I’m actually surprised that Vintage King has ventured into broadening horizons...their claim to fame was having vintage studio consoles (Neve’s, SSL’s, etc.) and other vintage gear for resale. I’m juiced to see what this Maschine+ can do fam.👊🏽
I'm excited too, lol. I hope it brings something truly unique to the table that makes it more valuable than we can see up front.
I also love my Live II (above all other toys in my collection) but I have to admit I often pull up Maschine Studio because I can create something slapping in less than ten minutes. It's just sooooo easy and there's so many easily accessible libraries immediately at your fingertips.
The primary advantage of Maschine+ over Live II is going to be the integration of the large instruments libraries. True, we can auto-record instruments for later use in the Live, but it's not the same as having instant access to all the instruments. The second advantage of Maschine+ is going to be marketability to previous Maschine users who don't want to learn MPC workflow. Obviously, in every other category MPC brings the smack down. Overall, just the addition of battery power would be enough to convince me to buy Maschine+. Not to replace my Live II but to augment it with all those instruments. The libraries are truly massive and I already own them.
I'm still interested as a sound design tool, especially if the price comes down!
Best part is that Akai will give us new features.
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Looks great overall. I do most of my chopping in Serato Sample so not being able to use it with this unit is a step back. I'll stick with the MK3 for now.
That makes sense, thanks for watching bro!
That display is extremely underwhelming. Gonna have to do better than that if they wanna pull mpc users.
1399$ that’s a Octatrack MK2 that kills in sampling and Time stretching
I got a used MPC One from Sweetwater for $599 .. great price for what this little beast does! :). Got a fast 170mg/s 64GB SD card (which I'll never fill) for $20.
You're set! I have a 128GB 95/MBs but only because I wanted a new 200/MBps for my camera 🤣 64Gigs is plenty for most of us. Plus it's a reminder to backup more often. 💯💯💯
As far as I can tell everything on the front panel is the same as the MK3 and the IOs are the same except the two usb ports a.d the SD slot. I like playing with the MK3 but I don't know if two USB ports and a SD card slot is worth double the price. I purchased the MK3 for $650 brand new. I think you would be better off buying the MK3 with the Ultimate package. Its close to the same price.
That makes sense. Maybe they'll make some type of unbelievable bundle for Plus users that makes that less of a factor.
If your using this to replace your mk3 i personally want to have the ability to make beats at work im not replacing my studio or mk2 so the price and battery are the real issues
Sontwisted I don’t think I’m going to get it just yet personally. I want to see what all can really be done with it as far as the plug-in and instruments first before I think about it. As far as on the go brat making my Live 2 has that in check although I would still like to see Hypesynth and these new standalone MPC instruments we been hearing about since last December.
Facts! I hope it's not just that punk ass drum synth, lol. IDGAF about making drums from scratch 🤣🤣🤣🤣
iamsight 😂😂😂😂😂 they got that pressure now so the next update might come out tomorrow!
Great video! The greatest usp of getting maschine+ is the software. I have mpc live mk1 and for sure miss some softsynth like massive. But if I wanna use it on the fly I simply can bring my laptop with me. First I got psyched when I Saw this product, but now I feel it’s not worth it since I have NI ultimate software and a mpc live. If I hadn’t got NI software nor mpc I perhaps would have got it... but I like to take my mpc out in the woods recording own drum samples
Bro, I think people don't understand how cool that battery power is until they use it, lol. Having your beat machine ANYWHERE with nothing anchoring it down is so fun. 💯💯💯
I’m a die hard Maschine user. 100% of my beats are sampled based. So I won’t use the added sounds at all. When I saw this last night I was hyped about it, but after watching this video.....I don’t know bro. I might have to grab a MPC. That MPC Live II does look nice. I just have to get use to the workflow. Thanks for the video bro.
It's definitely dope to have standalone capability, but without a battery.... bruh. Just takes the "cool" factor away. I was looking forward to seeing cordless beat battles, lol.
iamsight Absolutely. I was just telling my wife a few days ago that I wanted a standalone unit. I told her I was thinking of getting a Live or Live II. Then I see the Maschine+. She saw the price and looked at me crazy,lol. This is a woman that knows nothing about music equipment. At one point I told myself that I would pay extra for the MK3 workflow in standalone. But that is silly of me to do. Like you said “why pay more for less features”?
Great Topic! Though I have the MPC One, I've been holding on to my Maschine MK3 and I had a Maschine Studio...
I've been expecting Native Instruments to go Standalone.
But let's see what they do.
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i has the Maschine mk3, sold it for the MPCX. nothing like the MPC and i was all about the maschine when i had it
I don't think either is better than the other, I think it's all about which one makes it easier to do the style of music you enjoy. 💯💯💯