Paul Davids, This is NOT the Jimi Hendrix Monterey Strat, Sadly
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- čas přidán 11. 12. 2021
- I don't like to see people deceived, especially with something so valuable and so meaningful to many. This guitar is not Jimi's Monterey Pop Festival strat. Neither neck nor body are what they claim to be. No disrespect meant to Paul Davids. His channel is awesome, and I really don't think he would have featured this guitar if he had any doubt about its authenticity.
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*Important: Sixty Sixty Sounds does not own this guitar!* They only hosted the location for the guitar’s owner and Paul Davids’ video at their shop, and they did some repair work to the guitar’s selector switch. They appear to be another unsuspecting victim in this guitar's travels, so please keep this in mind when watching the video.
*All of the original source imagery plus additional evidence including neck grain is direct-linked below in this comment.*
CGS just made a very thorough video about this too with a *lot* more info. I gave him the ok to use anything he wanted from my clips. Give it a watch here; it’s great: czcams.com/video/1RSRrpKc0Bw/video.html (Update: CGS made his video private after Paul Davids updated his own video title to suggest the guitar may be fake, but you can find newer videos on the topic on CGS' channel.)
*Source materials for anyone who wants to evaluate the guitar themselves:*
-High-res pics of the purported guitar (scroll to bottom): www.snapgalleries.com/portfolio-items/jimi-hendrix-the-monterey-stratocaster/
-Jimi at Monterey, showing the back of the real guitar: media.gettyimages.com/photos/jimi-hendrix-performs-on-stage-at-the-monterey-pop-festival-on-june-picture-id74218528?s=2048x2048
-A higher-res version of the same above image, but with fingerprints/debris on the scan: media.gettyimages.com/photos/jimi-hendrix-performs-onstage-at-the-monterey-pop-festival-on-june-18-picture-id74274864?s=2048x2048
-Jimi at Monterey, where the headstock logo positioning and the presence of its "tremolo"/patent text can be seen: media.gettyimages.com/photos/jimi-hendrix-performs-onstage-at-the-monterey-pop-festival-on-june-18-picture-id74275413?s=2048x2048
-Another image showing the headstock logo positioning and the presence of the logo sub-text: media.gettyimages.com/photos/jimi-hendrix-performs-onstage-at-the-monterey-pop-festival-on-june-18-picture-id74275414?s=2048x2048
-An image of the same guitar at Golden Gate Park just 1 week later, clearly showing a sharp gouge in the arm carve on the front of the guitar, also missing from the purported guitar: 1.bp.blogspot.com/-iMLHMrFS5AE/VvsXNQzpMMI/AAAAAAAAIYY/QaGFlyaDvA85s20WdwI1RRNSstCYhjWdw/s1600/Hendrix%252C%2BJimi%252C%2BPanhandle%2BPark%2B%25282%2529.jpg
-Another image from Golden Gate Park, showing the same gouge: 2.bp.blogspot.com/-s8VO95uWkcI/VvsXOiz8u8I/AAAAAAAAIYc/shHrwoqFX6ouOdtnh4K4oHOPwdDfex41g/s1600/Hendrix%252C%2BJimi%252C%2BPanhandle%2BPark%2B%25281%2529.jpg
-An image taken by Jim Marshall from Golden Gate Park, showing the wood grain on the back of the neck, with lengthwise striping which appears to differ from the purported guitar: 2.bp.blogspot.com/-wr4H_Z0_d4U/WK5SmUDwnDI/AAAAAAAAQHw/4Kiau00oSRkqPmkLl_9l-m8An2w0E_ZYQCLcB/s1600/Hendrix%252C%2BJimi%2B-%2BPanhandle%2BPark%252C%2B6-25-67%2B%25283%2529.jpg
-The claimed neck grain matching image (linked to me by someone connected to the guitar, on the left of the image), compared to a clearer version of that image and the grain line detail, showing discrepancies: ibb.co/BrcKTzR
-A photo from Forest Hills with the real Monterey strat, showing a clear difference in position of a distinctive chip on the lower edge of both guitars: imgbb.com/6Wn7SZP
-The side-by-side headstock decal comparison, with and without the decal overlay: ibb.co/K2vrNJC
-The AP article about the guitar going up for auction in 2017: apnews.com/article/cf85475363bb4082aee02703990ae450
-The AP article about the guitar being withdrawn from the auction because it could not be authenticated: apnews.com/article/e8a7e0b2cec249319b52ce8e5f792265
2:51 well the wear on Jimi's guitar does not match because that photo of Jimi playing it is obviously older than the present photo of the guitar and the guitar probably got all bashed up after Jimi's performance. The small chip on the guitar probably got bigger overtime from Jimi playing it and other people playing it.
@@IsaacRossMusic1 I think you need to look closer. Sure, wear and chips might get bigger over time, but they don't disappear or move to new locations. Any place that had wear or chipping on the guitar in 1967 should still have it now. On this purported guitar, it doesn't. The straight line of chips is absent, and the larger circular chip is the same size but in a different location.
I believe Al Kooper has Jimi's black strat. I cite Gary Rossington mentioning it in, Sept. 18th, 2018 Lynyrd Skynyrd documentary- If I Leave Here Tomorrow.
Ed King, Skynyrd's first '3rd guitarist' passed four days after this Showtime documentary aired. An excellent documentary. Only complaint is zero AV footage or audio clips of founding guitarist, crash survivor , Allen Collins. Collins was so responsible for Skynyrd's _sound_ .
Sixty Sixty Sounds are just as guilty. They showed basic ignorance, hadn't veryfied the owner's claims of authenticity and basically hosted the show for a scam. Don't be naive. People there are knowledgeable, they've been selling, servicing and repairing guitars for decades.
It just goes to show how crazy the hype can be. Guitar players will often eat up any marketing BS to fit their own confirmation bias. In the Paul Davids video they talked about plugging it in and hearing exactly the sounds that Jimi made with it. Just goes to show you can get that sound out of any good stratocaster and it's much more about the player than the guitar. Paul's a great player, he loves Hendrix, so he made this guitar sound like Hendrix.
Very true i also was kind of disapointed with the tone he had in that video. Thats probably because the real tone comes from the amp and especially the speakers.
@@lukas6610 Yeah definitely. And the guitar didn't sound bad at all! But when we as guitar players go in expecting a certain guitar to sound a certain way, we tend to believe it regardless of what it actually sounds like
@@falcongunner33 true it probably also has to do with the bad recording of that video. but you should look at a video from music is win where he tries out a prs amp that is modeled after hendrix his amp he used at woodstock. To me that video replicates hendrix tone the best ive heard
@@falcongunner33 czcams.com/video/c1GYa1_fPs0/video.html heres the link
@@lukas6610 I've seen this! Yeah that's a killer amp. Would love to add it to my collection someday
It's kind of beautiful that most of the guitars were smashed up by Hendrix and lost forever. They were destroyed by the artist while fulfilling an amazing purpose.
Agreed, including the real Monterey strat, which was very likely the one smashed and burned at the Ambassador Theatre in August ‘67. They were tools to him, and just a disposable part of the show. I don’t think it was necessarily his intention, but in a roundabout way he was also preventing people from making more money off of his name by selling them in the future, because so many of them were broken to bits and tossed to the audience. Castles made of sand… ;)
It's like Triggers broom off Only Fools and Horses. He had the same broom for 30yrs, but had 9 new handles and 6 new brushes. Haha
Haha, yeah. Or another favorite of mine, "Gibson made around 1,500 sunburst Les Pauls between 1958 and 1960, but today, only 2,000 survive." :D
Haha, that's exactly like it haha
Lol, Ronnie Barker does that same joke in Open all Hours.
this is crazy! it's become like a true crime for guitars
i remember in the video paul held the guitar up like he was playing it with his teeth, and he says, 'you would see exactly these markings' witha photo from monterey to the left of him. i remember thinking, 'you literally can't see any of those markings on the original.' i put that down to it being half a century later and it may have faded naturally since then
Good job! I noticed the difference in the circular scratch mark by the belly cut, between the purported instrument and the original.. but thought maybe my eyes were deceiving me. The decal too is a dead giveaway that they aren't the same guitar.
Hi, thanks for your comment! Yes, that large circular chip is a bit deceptive, because it was reflecting a lot of the stage lights and shows up as a bright, blob-shaped highlight in much of the video from that night. Also, there was an up-res’d Hey Joe video in 4k on CZcams which had used some AI tools to clean it up and enhance it, which caused that highlight to get even larger and lag behind the movement of the guitar in that particular video. But, those few black and white still photos I referenced are sharp and clear, and show the truth beyond a doubt, without any reliance on blurry video interpretation.
@400billionsuns do we know where the actual strat is?
@@veco5731 it was stolen
@@veco5731 Jimi burned and smashed it at a show in Washington D.C.
Correct. The scars never matched up to start with. It was. Lear it was a ringer.
100% right….you should do a video on how there are more vintage strats nowadays then we’re produced between 54-65
Haha, yeah, that’s the beauty of vintage guitars! They just keep multiplying like rabbits, somehow! In another decade or two, there will be enough authentic Hendrix guitars for everyone to add one to their collection.
That was more than obvious when Paul showed the backside of the guitar and compared it side by side with the image from the Monterey video. Especially when you add a detail mentioned in that video claiming that the guitar wasn't played for 50+ years. If that was the truth, then the scratches and wear would be the same, and they weren't. Not even close. Paul was warned by many, and he chose to look away from the obvious.
He's commented on his video and even changed the title in regards to the uncertainty, seems like he hasn't ignored anything, he's just unsure himself (read his comment).
I was first a bit suspicious of the extensive scuffing on the back. It doesn't look right for belt buckle scuffing - looks more like it's been chiselled with a scraper or something (the widths of the 3 scuffs are weirdly similar to each other) - and the wood seems suspiciously fresh underneath. The trem springs look closer together on the "fake" too, but of course they could have been moved.
Oh and the neck decal is a slam dunk. That isn't the same neck.
Jimi played on a poly finish guitar
@@angelbautista5098 The real guitar from Monterey was likely finished in nitrocellulose lacquer. It had the smaller headstock but the transition-era logo, so it would've been produced before the bigger changes that came from CBS' acquisition of Fender. It wasn't til the late 60s that Fender started using poly finishes. Any vintage strats with the smaller, original headstock should be nitro (with the exception of some custom colors, which were actually acrylic lacquer).
In Paul David's video they also said the guitar wasn't plugged in 53 years, until just a few months ago. So where did all the extra wear marks come from?
Yeah that was pretty ridiculous for them to say when the additional wear is so obvious.
I was very curious where all the right handed forearm wear came from...
In the video they said jimi played the guitar in later year like ‘68 and ‘69 and guitars were painted with very thin lacquer then so it’s very possible that much wear could’ve been added in two years especially with the way jimi handled and played his guitars. But that’s just an observation. I also heard that jimi set the real Monterey black Strat on fire later on in ‘68 but idk
@@Soupslusher_68 Most sources say he had moved on from the black monterey strat by July of 67. Haven't heard/read/seen anything about him burning this one either.
Lots of people have called the authenticity of this one into question for quite a few years, as evidenced by a quick google search.
This ain't the monterey strat.
Right handed player wear, by the way.
Great job! I told Paul Davids that same day it was a fake, a friend reached out to him with my warning, instead he acted as if I was "the silly guy" and claimed he's been shown "autheticity papers". Pathetic what people would do for money, the owners of the guitar used Paul's popularity and Jimi's name to fool a potential buyer.
Hi, thanks for the comment, I appreciate it! I’m trying to give Paul the benefit of the doubt since I don’t know him myself, and he seems like a decent and honest fellow in his videos. If he acted rudely toward you, that’s definitely disappointing to hear. If he was deceived by the owner and found himself in the embarrassing position of having to discover it and admit it, I can certainly imagine how uncomfortable/difficult that would be, especially on a video with over a million views. He’d also have to be very careful about what he says and how he says it, if the guitar shop didn’t know it was fake either (another commenter said the shop didn’t actually own the guitar, and was selling it for the owner). I don’t envy him in this position at all… he might have walked into a trap with the best of intentions, but unfortunately he’s also the only one with such a large platform who can correct the record. Above all, if this isn’t Jimi’s Monterey guitar, and I’m convinced it isn’t… it needs to be stated so that nobody falls victim to the scam again in the future.
@@400_billion_suns I’m sure he will make things right, but it’s sad to see he’s been blind in front of the evidence. He’s been clearly used here but he’s millions followers and the power of that communication is scary if used to claim a normal guitar was JIMI’S. I hope he will rectify that thing, that should have never been posted in first place
@@400_billion_suns he surely was used and caught in trap! I also had my friend explain him the shop is not the owner and told him who is behind it, and his answer it’s been very sad to say the least. That’s a fake guitar and I’m sorry Jimis name has been used like that. You don’t need to be a vintage guitsr expert to see it’s not the same, as you beautiful video shows to anybody
@@CescoscornerGuitars Very much agreed. I too think it’s frightening how quickly one person can influence so many others, and that’s probably exactly the reason Paul was chosen to demonstrate this guitar.
@@400_billion_suns we’ve to see the bright side, Paul Davids has the power to make things right. Hope he will do it
topic aside but the backsound really gave me a goosebump
I always thought the font and the stuff written on the headstock was a bit off but I can't deny that guitar sounds fantastic
I agree that it did sound every bit the part. As just a vintage strat and nothing more, it might be a very good one. It’s just not Jimi’s, and that’s important since it makes the real value 1000x less than the claim of 10 million dollars.
Finally someone who knows what they are talking about 🙌
I do appreciate your work, you really remind me of me and the others who love the information behind these guitars. I'd say this is a case of either A. It's a similar 64-65 with a really oddball case of part of the decal missing. It's a Type 1 style CBS Era decal but missing quite a bit of it. Could've been redecaled but who would flat just cut off the "With Synchronized Tremolo" section? I've seen cases of that. B. Refinned or touched up C. A completely different guitar that Jimi used. It could've very well have been your next door neighbors cock guitar you never know people make fraudulent guitars. It's like John Frusciantes 1968 Stratocaster during the Mothers Milk/BSSM days where had several of them they just interchanged usage.
Hi there, thank you, and I agree with your conclusions. The one sticking point that makes me question its authenticity as even a backup Hendrix guitar is the lacquer chipping on the back. It’s just similar enough to the real one that it looks a lot like an attempt to fake it, and if that really is the case it makes me doubt everything about the guitar. The headstock decal is of course a red flag (even if it was just a typical vintage strat with no special ownership). The placement of the decal is so low that the other text wouldn’t have fit below it, so it’s either the original decal for that neck, or a strange choice for a replacement.
@@400_billion_suns Have you heard of the Tokais that were Fenderized? Could be a possibility but the narrow 12th fret inlays is a key characteristics and so are the large dots. I don't believe this guitar has any connection to Jimi.
@@400_billion_suns My guess is it's a 1965-66 "Small head" Stratocaster that was refinned black and redecaled way early on and someone realized it looked like Jimis sometime in the past 40 years.
@@400_billion_suns The white primer also doesn't necessitate it being an original finish because Fender was changing finishing methods all the time. First it was flash-coated then stained then flash coated. Or dipped in fullerplast then flashcoated.
This just goes to show...nervousness is in our head. Paul truly thought he was playing the real deal, can't fault him. I remember he said, my hands are shaking and I don't think I can play ii at the moment. So what to we learn here? First, who cares who played any instrument. Their playing doesn't make the instrument any better, the one playing does. Second, trust no one and do your own research. Thirdly, please....for the love of pete...EVERYONE stop over paying for an instrument that should only cost around $2,000 - $3,000 at the most ever. The old adage that the value of something is what ever someone else is willing to pay for it is insanely short sighted and passes my understanding. One's opinion does not create value. Sorry this happened to such a great guy.
It’s not an adage that something is worth what someone will pay for it… That’s how our monetary system actually works. It’s based on the economic principle of Supply and Demand… The seller raises the price of an item to the highest amount someone will pay for it (because if they make itvany higher, they’ll never sell it). Economics is a huge branch of study. It’s taught in colleges, people have PhD’s in it… People are paid millions of dollars to figure out how to manipulate sales, etc… It’s basically the study of monetary exchange
@@nsc217 I failed to communicate my point. I should have used the word lie instead of adage. Sheep don’t usually realize they are being led.
I mean yeah ! the instrument doesn’t get better when some super star plays it, it gets much worse in my opinion, and there will always be people paying millions for such instruments, most of them never even play guitar but they just have so much money don’t know what to do with it
@@jasonkadhim especially since these were off the shelf (or assembly line) instruments in most cases. I'm fairly confident that ANY Fender American made model would blow most of that era out of the water. Technology isn't bad, but there is something to be said for a guitar being played for 40+ years too. The tone does improve if the guitar was killer then, it will probably be killer now too. There are just waaaaay more killer guitars out there these days. Spend your money how you like and buy beware. Peace.
meh don't agree at all.
Three different stories for the provenance...The first one saying Jeffery sent it to Bob Levine...The next has it at the ANIM office (which was in London) where Tappy is the first to get it...And the last has Bob getting it directly from Jimi...
Music Radar 2016:
"Back home in London again, the Monterey Strat took pride of place in an exhibition on rock revolutionaries. Before it disappeared behind glass once more, we were offered the chance to examine this iconic Strat up close at the Groucho Club by its British owner - a lifelong Hendrix buff and guitar collector who wishes to be identified only by his first name, Justin. Justin bought the guitar from Jimi’s US manager Bob Levine, who had had it in his keeping for many years after it was sent to him by Mike Jeffrey, Hendrix’s manager, following Jimi’s death. Levine later sold it to a private collector and provided a notarised affidavit attesting to the guitar’s identity.It was from this collector that Justin eventually bought the Strat after years of storage out of the public eye. EMP’s curators also conducted a thorough survey of the instrument before it went on show in Seattle and Fender’s own experts have also forensically examined the guitar."
Ground Guitar website 2020:
"According to the official info, the Strat was given to Jimi’s record company Anim Limited at some point, where it fell into the hands of James ‘Tappy’ Wright (Hendrix road manager). The guitar remained in Tappy’s hands until 2012."
Guitar.com 2021:
“Signed affidavits from Hendrix’s manager (Bob Levine, who got the guitar from him) and the roadie/UK manager (James Tappy Wright who transported the guitar) with matching serial numbers. A letter from Fender to the auction house saying they have no doubt this guitar is the Monterey Strat (concluded after an extensive inspection by Master Builders George Flanda, Scott Buehl and Custom Shop Vice President Mike Lewis). "
Brian Doyle (myself):
In November 2012 I returned from a research trip to New York where I met and video-ed Dr Bannister...I told Tappy I intended to stop at Bob Levine's on the drive back to Florida and low and behold when I did so Tappy was there at Bob's...I was tired from driving all day and Bob invited me to stay over but Tappy intervened and told me to go...I was good friends with Tappy and that was the only time he ever treated me that way and I could never figure it out...And now I see late November 2012 was the exact time that guitar first went up for auction... - I wonder what Tappy was so worried about that he drove to Bob's to be there?...What was he worried that Bob might tell me?...
very suspicious and hopeful woeful affidavits The guitar was sold by Fame Bureau as the Monterey guitar in 2012 for £120,000. Woodstock Strat sold in 1990 for £180,0000 at Sotheby's before the market for famous guitars hit its stride. So the 2012 sale suggests that no one took it seriously, except for someone taking a hopeful punt to make a million.
I think there's a more basic thing at stake here. Years ago I visited a lecture about authenticity, that changed my view on the subject. You may wonder, why is it so important, this authenticity, it being 'the real thing'? There are some more or less subconscious phenomena at work here, as the Paul Davids' video shows. Yes, a good guitar or a guitar having specific qualities will contribute to someone's playing, but that's only some necessary conditions (that may even be necessary combined with his/her style). But don't we believe that this real guitar will have something supernatural that will affect us, a soul that make us play better, maybe even a little like him? And yes, didn't feel and sound Paul Davids special, playing that guitar? Didn't the shop suddenly breath Jimi's ghost? But did it come from the wood, the material, the craftmanship? Or did it come from the mind, Paul's and ours, the sheer idea, the sheer respect? Didn't we witness a placebo effect, or should I say Playcebo-effect? Wasn't it only the belief that affected his playing (and our perception and experience)? For years now I realize when I see famous guitars in a museum (like John Lennon's or Bruce Springsteen's), they are legendary but dead pieces of wood, hanging there like mummies. A guitar should be played to be a guitar, it's the player and the fingers that make it legendary, not the wood. It's our admiration, our awe, our respect. Whether this guitar is real or not doesn't matter, it's all in our minds.
There seems to be emerging details that the guitar was last played then deliberate damaged by its owner in Ambassador Theatre, Washington, DC, USA on August 13, 1967. If this is true then the disputed guitar has been knowingly faked up to match the wear and tear of the Monterey machine which is really bad.
I’ve been holding off on commenting on this angle because I wanted to be really sure, but I agree this seems almost certain. In every photo of the Monterey strat, it has a distinctive red strap attached with a silver buckle. This strap used to be on the strat that Jimi hand-painted and smashed at the Saville Theatre show in London (the one where the Beatles were present, and the first time he painted a guitar before sacrificing it). After that, the red strap was moved to the Monterey strat, and remains on it in numerous photos: the Monterey Pop festival, the Panhandle Park show, Whiskey A Go Go, Fillmore, and Forest Hills, where he opened for the Monkees. By the time of the Forest Hills show, he’d already started to use a newer white strat in addition to the black Monterey. Only a few weeks after Forest Hills, he played at the Ambassador Theatre in Washington, DC. There are two photos from that event which show a black strat with that exact same red leather strap: in one photo, it’s on the ground behind Jimi while he plays the white strat. In another photo, it’s lit on fire and being swung through the air. In addition to this, I have spoken to a *very credible* (heavy emphasis) person who was in attendance for all of the Ambassador shows, who confirmed that the strat Jimi burned and destroyed at the Ambassador was a black strat. That person provided additional details that explain something else about the guitar in those photos, and they also confirmed that the body of the guitar was broken in half and the neck tossed to the crowd. I have a few other smaller details about that guitar that I might make a video about.
If the black strat burned and smashed at the Ambassador was the Monterey strat, then the purported strat in Paul Davids’ video is definitely not it. Even without extra evidence, it already doesn’t match numerous details of the real Monterey strat (wrong headstock decal, neck grain mismatch, lacquer chips missing or in the wrong places, factory-bent tremolo arm instead of Jimi’s which he bent straight, missing volume and tone knobs and selector switch tip on the real one…)
I think it’s highly likely the real one was the one burned at the Ambassador, due to the unique strap, the timeframe, and the fact that we see Jimi playing the Monterey strat with a newer white strat at Forest Hills less than a month earlier. At the Ambassador, we also see him with two strats of the same colors, making it likely that they are the same guitars from Forest Hills. And if it really was the guitar smashed at the Ambassador, it was in no condition to be played again, because it was split in half.
I did suspect this when the back was shown side by side in his video. Some of the wear appeared to have mysteriously moved from where it was when Jimi had played it.
this is real journalism, was unconvinced at first but you showed all the evidence thoroughly and took every step necessary instead of just saying stuff like many others. props dude keep it up.
So much fraud and value placed on mystique in the guitar community that lately I'm of the mind that people who pay these insane prices get what they deserve
Paul Davis wrote a comment after a while of posting his video. Here's the comment: "...I'm simply not sure anymore that I did play the Hendrix Monterey Strat..."!
Interestingly, Paul Davis also wrote: "A letter from Fender saying they have no doubt this guitar is the Monterey Strat (concluded after an extensive inspection".
My opinion and I speak in a very humble way: "I don't believe that the guitar in the store really belonged to Jimi Hendrix"!
Success to all! and take care
Damn, I'm hooked on this now! For anyone who's interested, 400billionsuns has already covered this but this is for anyone who wants to look into it in further detail. Regarding the decal, I happened upon this interesting video from Robert Baker. At the 10 minute mark, he shows the different Fender decals used from the '50s to 1966. He appears to have done his research and from this we can see that Hendrix's Strat neck would be from Autumn '64 to late '65 as the writing underneath "Fender Stratocaster" extends from around halfway along "Fender" to approximately halfway along "Stratocaster". In late '65 another patent number was added (making a total of 5) and the writing extended to appx 2 thirds of the way along "Stratocaster". I'm viewing this on a 32" monitor, by the way. From this we can say that it is not some trick of the light or a dirty mark under the name. Here's Robert's video:
czcams.com/video/G9rNdVKF5Jc/video.html
Now, here's a very clear photo of the purported guitar's headstock which shows clearly that the missing "With synchronised tremolo" and patent numbers have not mereley been scratched off. I'm pretty sure that Fender just cut the tremolo words off the bottom for non trem guitars and thus the patent numbers too. I realise the uploader has already covered this but I think this photo shows the clearly cut decal in more detail. It's the second pic in the gallery:
www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/under-the-microscope-jimi-hendrixs-1967-monterey-strat-in-pictures-644617
Thanks, yeah, that musicradar link is one I’ve got in my long list of references too. It notes in the article that the neck date is Nov 64 and the pots are Dec 65, which makes the F-stamp neck plate all the more unlikely to be original to the guitar. If this were a random vintage guitar being sold on Reverb, all the details we have would make most knowledgeable people assume it was a partscaster, assembled from parts of multiple instruments.
If you haven’t already gone through my pinned comment, I do recommend it. Aside from the headstock decal shown in this video, I also added a neck grain comparison image a few weeks ago. It includes the purported “grain match” image circulated by people connected to the guitar, which used such a low quality version of the image with Jimi that I’m shocked anyone accepted it as conclusive. Looking at the higher quality version of that image, included in the pinned comment, it’s clear that the real neck had straight-grain running down the length of its entire headstock, while the purported guitar does not. Mike at CGS made a nice video recently comparing these grain details too, and he independently came to the same conclusions as I did on the same mismatches-it’s worth watching.
To me, in my view, it’s not even a question anymore of whether or not this is the real guitar. Taking all of the mismatches: headstock decal, neck grain, strap button angle, numerous missing and re-positioned chips and damage (I added another at Forest Hills in the pinned comment), trem springs, knobs and switch tips missing vs present; combined with the very high likelihood that the real Monterey strat is the same guitar with its distinct red strap that was burned and broken at the Ambassador Theatre… it would take the ghost of Hendrix himself to persuade me that the purported guitar had anything to do with the real Monterey strat.
Was it a guitar that Jimi once touched/played? Who knows… if it really came from his offices, maybe. But I’ve seen nothing in the photographic record of any of his performances that match this purported guitar. The only all-black strat with a rosewood fretboard and the smaller pre-CBS headstock I’ve ever seen him photographed with was the Monterey guitar, and based on all the evidence, I would never conclude that the purported strat is the same guitar. The fact that it appears to have been an attempt by someone to make it look like the real one damages its credibility as a Hendrix guitar even further, in my opinion. To be clear, I’m not saying the current owner is the person responsible. They might have purchased this guitar fully believing it was real, and if they did, they should be going after the people they bought it from, instead of threatening CZcamsrs pointing out the problems.
@@400_billion_suns Oh sorry about that! I didn't want to parrot you, just wanted to add weight to what you're saying. Brilliant work! I've spent the last couple of days enthralled by this ongoing saga and I think the best thing to do with this so-called "Hendrix Strat" is to burn the fucker!
@@nickhirst999 Ah, no worries, I didn't mean to imply you were parroting either! I appreciate the comments. Was just adding more info. I'll be curious to see if Paul addresses this any further, or if he just moves on with the video now removed. I certainly wouldn't blame him if he did. Some of the comments on his video (and elsewhere) started to get unnecessarily harsh and nasty toward him. Personally I think he was just enthralled by the opportunity, trusted the documentation provided by the people involved, and found himself in a difficult and uncomfortable position when the issues were pointed out later.
I also wonder if he hasn't considered his own legal action toward the people involved. If they weren't forthcoming with him about the full history of the guitar (i.e. being removed by a major auction house for authenticity concerns), and it damaged his brand/reputation, he might have his own angle to pursue against them. I don't have any knowledge of this -- just speculating.
P.S. I think Jimi would agree with your suggested course of action, lol :D
Also, the backplate is an "F" plate on this strat, (late '65-'71). Jimis was an "L" series plate. There's many more clear photos @ Monterey to clearly verify.
Hi, do you have a link/source for those photos? I haven't found any with enough contrast and resolution to prove the F on the neck plate definitively. There was an up-res'd Hey Joe video (taken from the Jimi at Monterey DVD) on CZcams that looked detailed enough at a glance, but it actually wasn't. It just looked so clean and crisp from the AI-based upscaling and de-noising processes, but the original video didn't have enough resolution+sharpness to capture the neck plate etching, as far as I can tell. This is one of the big problems with newer video processing software, because it can give a false impression of details that are or are not present in the original source, and is why I used only still photographs to prove the headstock decal and lacquer chipping differences.
I'm no expert but wouldn't setting it up to play righty again make it lose value ? They also mentioned it was going to be going to into museum/storage which makes sense as to why they are putting a high price tag on it , it's the same thing as art I buy a painting for x amount get it appraised for x amount and then donate it to art galleries or museums for the appraised price
If they replaced the nut to make it a righty again, that would definitely make it lose some value. If the original nut had simply had its unwound slots filed larger to fit the reversed strings, you could re-string to its original righty config without any changes.
also on the headstock the ball tip is sharply squared off on the original but clearly rounded on the imposter
So that's basically a tribute guitar, not the real deal.
Thank you all for the spotted information so i can make a real JM Monterey guitar without the problems that this one has.Im gona sell it for 20 millions.
Nice work! Even if the angles are a bit off, it's clearly not the same thing that was in the hands of Jimi during the photos. Has Paul contacted you? I bet he would be a perfect gentleman and thank you for your deducing this interesting bit of news. I expect a retraction video from him in the new year. 😉 Cheers!
The seller was using Paul to try to give his fraud some cred..I hope he a little pissed.
Sincerely I doubted about it when the back marks were mentioned and showed.
Watch at 1/4 speed if you want to read what's on the screen
Makes the music more ominous. 😂
most of Jimi's guitars had burns near the F logo as he put his siggy there as he played, being a righty the distance was a lot further than a lefty so it burned much quicker like before it go to the butt, look how long it takes till you get to the strings that hold the ciggy in place,specially ona large CBs headstock, like half a smoke.. I used to keep the G string clipped with about a half inch long and I'd skewer the butt on the string so if it burned down it wouldn't burn the headstock, my cousin however wouldn't so if you have a late 70's lyle strat burnt up prolly mine.. jimi put his right by the F under the low E string (strung backwards)
this was really great!!!!! excellent job,,,,,,great work.....thanks.
Thanks! Glad you found it interesting!
This kind of story will hopefully lead to a partial return to reason eventually. Guitars should not be investments for the super rich, especially guitars that are industrially produced. These forgeries are an outgrowth of greed similar to what's happening in the art market. The value of paintings and other art objects is being completely removed from the artists' inspiration and intention. This is happening because there are people who literally don't know what to do with their money. (Hint for the Bezos' of the world: There is still poverty on the planet. You could make a difference. But I get it, you need a dick shaped space rocket first.) In this story here, the distance between the object of desire and the original reason for its attractiveness is even bigger: Jimi didn't invent or build that guitar, he just played it - allegedly.
Buy a 500$ instrument and try to make exciting music with it, spend $3000 if you want to.
Anything beyond that is sheer madness.
For the playaz
Whether or not it is Jimi's guitar, it is not worth 1,000,000. No guitar is. Jimi must have played dozens of strats. He even set fire to them occasionally. He didn't care much. At best it could be "a strat that Jimi played a few times". Whoever pays 1,000,000 for it is a fool who shouldn't even have that much money to begin with, as far as I'm concerned.
The only ones who dictate value are the ones who spend their money. You can't state what it may or may not be worth in the comment section of youtube.
That's right, a Picasso is $5 worth of paint on a canvas, but if enough people want to own it... $20,000,000
@@hughjarrse My point exactly. "Everything is worth what a fool is willing to pay for it", as my mother used to say. 🙂
Whoever pays 1,000,000 is most likely not a fool but a more successful than the most of us and have passion to collect unique things. What's wrong in spending the money you have earned for things you enjoy to have or collect ? only because it's unaffordable to you does not mean the person who pays is a fool. Most likely you are a poor fool who simply can't imagine that someone has earned much more money than yourself.
@@MartijnHover Buy for 20 mil. Sell for 25 mil. Who is the fool now?
It looked to me like there was some writing in white on the back of the actual strat, where they were saying it’s a line of chipping. Did anyone else see that?
The original photos I used in the video are all linked in the pinned comment. If you want to take a closer look, you can get a better view from them.
@@400_billion_suns thanks!
@@cougar2013 sure thing!
How has no one else noticed that Jimi's strat has four springs in the back and the guitar in the guys video has three springs in the back?
Many have, but it’s a detail that would not invalidate the guitar by itself. Trem springs on strats are very easy to add or remove, and they frequently are to change the feel of the trem or to give it more stiffness if decking it flat against the body. Of course, it would be a little odd for someone to want to change the way Jimi had the guitar set-up, but if it was played by someone after Jimi, a story about then modifying the setup could be believable. There are many other details like the trem springs which also don’t match, but by themselves do not provide airtight proof that it isn’t the same guitar: e.g. strap button mounting angle is wrong, Jimi’s guitar was missing the volume and lowest tone knobs, and his was also missing the tip from the selector switch.
The things I focused on in this video are things that more concretely prove the guitar isn’t the same, because they are details that require extensive work such as refinishing the body to change.
Nice eye
Damon's turned off the comments...It's all you need to know about him and his objectivity...He's obviously not interested in the truth...It is obvious to me that Jimi probably only brought one black Strat with Rosewood neck over from England on that first return to America and that was the Monterey guitar...Jimi placed the red strap in the case for that guitar, as guitar players do to make sure they are never without a strap when they need one...He obviously took the Monterey guitar out at the Ambassador and played it and then decided to sacrifice it...The joke is on all of us because whoever stole the shattered remnants probably ended up throwing it in to the dust bin later in life...
Hi there, thanks again for your comments. I know you’re already aware of this, but I’ll elaborate for others who might be reading along: I agree that this seems the most likely outcome of what happened to the real Monterey Strat. I’m considering making a new video showing how that strap started out on his red strat that he painted and destroyed at Saville, and then the strap was moved immediately to the Monterey strat, where it remained for the Monterey Pop Festival, Panhandle Park, Whiskey A Go Go, and Forest Hills shows. There are photographs proving all of these. It was only a few weeks later that he played at the Ambassador in DC, where he had switched to his white strat as primary, and in a photo from those shows we can clearly see a black strat lying flat on the stage behind him, with that same red strap attached. There is also one more photo from that same show, with that same guitar in Jimi’s hands, being flung through the air on fire.
We can only see the black sides of the guitar in those photos, but I have personally communicated with a *very credible* person who was in attendance for every show at the Ambassador, and that person confirmed to me that the guitar was indeed black, not sunburst. This person also had further info about the guitar, including that Jimi has used it every night at the Ambassador, and that it was broken in half and held together by strips of wood nailed to the back of it. After the person told me this, I had a closer look at the photo with the flaming guitar at the Ambassador, and sure enough, you can see the wood attached to the back of the guitar in that photo.
This person shared more details about what came of this guitar, which I think may be best to keep secret in case someone decides to make a fake of it, too. But suffice to say, it was broken in half, and the neck was lost to the crowd at the Ambassador. And it was indeed stolen many years later, but not quite all of it.
I feel like we’re watching a murder mystery unfold
So you’re saying I should get a classic vibe instead?
Haha! In all seriousness, yes -- they're great guitars :)
Lmao yes.
Seriously tho, I briefly owned one when they first came out and hands down one of the best Strats I've ever played. I kick myself so damn much for ever trading it... I don't even remember what I traded it for and it's long gone too.
why’s this music so damn scary
Interesting. If this is the case, I don't see any disrespect to Paul Davids at all, but a friendly service in good faith. He was truly amazed and convinced (by others) that he was playing the legendary guitar. If that was a fake, I'm convinced that he was led to a mistake. And I also appreciate the fact that you mention that the store does not own the guitar. They were probably convinced as well.
Yes!
Watched the video few weeks ago and noticed the differences in headstock detailing & markings on back of guitar also. ( And I'm not even an expert) makes you wonder!!!!!!
What make and model of owl can I hear?
That's a 1973 Fjord Fowlcon. ;)
what is it with the horror soundtrack?
Another point is the "F" stamp on the neck plate. I know these are not stamped deep into the metal but I would have thought that the 4K footage of Monterey would have shown at least a hint of an F stamp yet it appears to be blank. At one point you can see the curly guitar cable reflected in the plate and the row of figures of the serial number but as the guitar moves and is in different light, there is never a hint of an F stamp. What with this and the "Woodstock" wah which appears to have been made after Hendrix died, it's all a bit of a minefield!
I was on the fence about the F stamp on the neck plate, because that 4K video has been up-res’d from an earlier video which is waaay lower resolution. If the original resolution wasn’t enough to see it, upscaling just gives the illusion of having more image data, but you can’t create details that were already missing from the original. However, all of that said, I do agree that there are a number of times in the video where the light does catch the edges of the serial number stamp, and while you can’t read it, you can definitely see it-but you can’t see the edges of an F-stamp in any of those. So at this point I’m inclined to agree with that discrepancy, too.
Totally agree about it being a minefield. There is so much fake stuff in the vintage and collectible guitar market that I would be hesitant to go anywhere near it. At this point if I see something claiming to have belonged to Hendrix, I assume it’s fake until proven otherwise 😂 There was another guitar sold around the time this one first was, claiming to be Hendrix’s burned Astoria strat, which also seems very questionable and lacking solid proof.
FWIW, I’m 98% convinced that all of this is moot regarding the Monterey Strat, because after all the digging I’ve done including talking to someone who saw it all, the real Monterey was very likely the black strat Jimi burned and smashed at the Ambassador Theatre in Washington DC in Aug 67. We can see Jimi using the Monterey strat in photos up to the Forest Hills show where he opened for the Monkees, where he’d already started using a white strat as his primary but the black Monterey was still in the lineup. Only a few weeks after that was the DC shows, and in two photos we see a black strat with the same distinctive red strap that the Monterey always had attached: in one photo it’s on the floor behind him, waiting for its fate, and in another photo it’s being swung through the air on fire. The person I spoke to was present for all of the DC shows and had firsthand knowledge of that particular guitar, and confirmed that it was a black strat that ended up broken in half, with the neck tossed to the crowd.
@@400_billion_suns Thanks that's interesting. Before I saw your video, the first thing I did was to compare the line of chips on the back of the purported Strat with the Monterey footage and concluded it was in a different place. Also the circular mark on the purported one appears to show marks of an abrasive!
@@nickhirst999 Yeah, I noticed that too! It looks like it’s been rubbed with sandpaper around that chip. There’s also a bunch of fine, straight-line scratching on the sides of the other chipped out area on the back that looks a lot like sandpaper scratches. Most of the wear just looks very weird and artificial on that guitar, and I think that’s the first thing that looks “off” to people without even comparing it to the real photos. I’d be very curious to know what its true history is, and who was tasked with trying to make it look like it does. It looks like a relic job done by a rank amateur, but that’s just my opinion 😅
@@400_billion_suns That's my opinion too!
I believe Al Kooper has Jimi's black strat. I cite Gary Rossington mentioning it in, Sept. 18th, 2018 Lynyrd Skynyrd documentary- *If I Leave Here Tomorrow.*
Jimi gave Al the strat for his work on his third album electric ladyland. well after 67. He sold it to a japanese speculator and it finally came back to a dealer in the usa named albert molinaro. Buy the time al sold it, It was pretty marked up visually
Maybe it is the guitar he played. But someone replaced the neck and then later replaced the body. That's all :P
Good work! I spotted all the same stuff you have and have been sending the evidence to someone in personal contact with Paul Davids. I hope he does a follow up video to show it's a fake.
Some other things I spotted:
1. The button strap is placed in the wrong place. Look at photos of Jimi shot by Jim Marshall. The real Monterey strat has the button angling towards the neck, but on the fake, if you drew a line out from the strap button it would shoot past the headstock.
2. Look up photos of Jimi at Golden Gate Park. He uses the same Monterey strat and you can see a deep indentation right next to the arm contour on the front of the guitar, that mark can't be found on the guitar in Paul's video.
P.S. One thing I should mention is that Sixty Sixty don't have the guitar, they only set it up/repaired it and let the owner use their place to show it off. They've been fooled too!
I think they were chosen because they have a good media following but aren't a vintage shop, so they wouldn't spot these things. Someone pointed out the decal to the repairer almost a year ago and the repairer said "It looks period correct".
@@WarriorOfGhengisKhan Thanks for that info! Good to know. I'm glad to hear they aren't the actual sellers of the guitar. It's not my intention to drag anyone's name through the mud with this. I just don't like to see fake things getting passed off as real ones, especially something as important (and potentially as valuable) as this. My worry is that Paul Davids got stuck in the middle of what was really a scheme to give this guitar visibility and help it sell, which is quite sad given how excited he was to see it and play it. I hope he uses his massive following to set the record straight on this guitar so that nobody gets schemed by it in the future.
P.S. I looked up those images from Golden Gate Park and you are absolutely correct. Thanks! There's a big sharp divot right near the front arm carve which is definitely not there on the phony. Agreed on the strap button as well. Also, at Monterey it was missing the volume knob and selector switch tip; by the time he had it at Golden Gate Park the lower tone knob is also missing. Of course, those are easily replaced and by themselves wouldn't invalidate this guitar, but the sum of everything taken together -- it's hard to understand how this was ever thought to be Jimi's strat. Did nobody check any of these obvious details? Is it really this easy to create a shoddy fake of something and get it into the eyes of thousands of people?!
@@400_billion_suns Yes! I spotted those too but as you said they are easily interchangeable parts. From my research he could have lost the tone knob at the Fillmore East on the 20th 21st or 24th as he played a total of six shows there, 2 shows each day. This is possibly where the dent came from that is seen at Golden Gate.
I did the same via a friend, he brought to his attention what I knew about the guitar but he didn't believe us, shame because it was the very same day the video was posted.
Ah, but maybe Jimi's not using the Strat used at Monteray and THIS is the real one? No hold on..
So where is the actual one now?
Maybe Hendrix changed the neck afterwards because in the song 'bleeding heart' the very same guitar was played in the video and that neck did not have the synchronized tremolo printing and Hendrix did play this guitar for further 2 years before he switched to gibson guitars so maybe in that amount of time Hendrix may have changed the neck, but some evidences in this video are still appropriate.
Hi, if you're referring to this video: czcams.com/video/COsVgbAJ8B8/video.html , that is a different guitar altogether. That one has a maple fretboard (notice it's a lighter color, unlike the dark rosewood fretboard of his Monterey guitar), and it's a later model from the CBS era of Fender. It has a larger headstock than the pre-CBS guitars, which was enlarged during the CBS era of ownership to make the Fender and Stratocaster brands more visible on TV. One thing that's important to know about Jimi is he went through quite a few guitars, particularly Stratocasters. He had multiple black, white, and red strats over the years.
I instantly had my doubts when i watched the video, kept quiet and alot of the things i thought are being shown as evidence haha
great detective work!
That owl was really upset.
Great detective work on the neck decal!
Thanks, I appreciate it! I did it hoping to prove to myself that it was real (because things already looked a little off in Paul's video), but when I found that bit it ended up going the other way. I really wanted it to be Hendrix's Monterey strat!
I knew both Tappy Wright and Bob Levine intimately before their deaths and can say it would not shock me if they were involved in the false signing-off on the provenance of a guitar...While they did have some very credible information about Jimi's death, if interviewed correctly, from what I knew about both those gentlemen from intimate association, it would not be a shock to me if they were connected to the hustling of a falsely-provenanced Hendrix guitar...Other valid Hendrix items did originate from those two because they were employees who had direct access to Jimi's management offices and Jimi's living quarters...Tappy told me he got the white Gibson SG from the Manhattan Hendrix office and someone challenged its authenticity...Tappy said professional examination showed it had only been played by a left handed guitarist due to ring damage on the neck and was the Dick Cavett guitar...So not everything that came from them was fake - including information about Jimi's death...As for this guitar...Enough public sale has been offered over this obvious fake that an attempted criminal fraud investigation is probably due because 10 million is high stakes crookery and those who attempted it should probably be held accountable...This fake was first offered for $750,000 but then went up to 10 million probably because the frauds read on the internet that someone offered that for the Black Beauty guitar...Yet another sign of clumsy calculated fraud deserving of prosecution...The police stay away from holding crooks responsible for false claims over Jimi because they don't want to be held accountable to the same over his death...
Hi, thanks for your comment! How did you get involved in meeting/interviewing them? You must have some interesting stories! Regarding the guitar, I could certainly believe there might be documentation claiming it's his Monterey strat from one of those men. And they might have even made those claims believing them to be true. But, no provenance counts more than the photographs of Jimi playing the actual guitar at the Monterey Pop Festival, where we can all clearly see the "tremolo" and patent number text on the headstock, as well as the chips in the lacquer which do not match the imposter guitar. No matter what kind of provenance documentation they have, the claims start and stop at the material discrepancies. I actually have another photo that shows the woodgrain on the real guitar's neck in Jimi's hands, which doesn't match the imposter guitar either.
It is very possible that the real Monterey strat was burned at the Ambassador Theatre in DC in Aug 1967. There are photos showing Jimi with the Monterey strat in San Francisco a week after his Monterey show, and in all of them it has the same distinctive red leather strap attached to it. In photos from his last show at the Ambassador (only a couple months after Monterey), there is a guitar that is black on the sides with that same red strap. One photo shows the guitar on the floor behind him, and then a later photo shows him swinging that guitar with flames coming from it. Unfortunately I haven't seen any photos clear enough to prove beyond any doubt that it was the Monterey strat, but it was definitely a strat with rosewood fretboard, black sides, the same strap used at Monterey, and a reasonably short timeframe after the Monterey show. If that really was the one, the people who ran the Ambassador stated that Jimi signed the body, and it was left on display there for some time (the neck was broken off when he burned it and was no longer with the body). One of their workers ended up with the body when the Ambassador closed, and it was stolen from him a decade later. I've been trying to get in touch with that person who had that guitar's body, but no luck yet. If that really was the Monterey strat, it's out there, somewhere... but it'd show signs of burning, damage from the neck being broken off, and should have a signature from Jimi on it... and of course, those telltale chips on the back of it would match up, unlike the imposter guitar in this video. :)
@@400_billion_suns This is a real epic tale Jimi-wise because, if you think about it, the real Monterey Strat ended up flowing in to the Jimi super-nova at the time in shattered pieces after being subjected to the cosmic storm of the master himself kinetically...It is painfully tantalizing to think that the neck was out there at some fan's house as nominal 60's chattel with no particular association...So it may have just ended up in a dust bin after someone moved out before it obtained its precious status as a relic of the king...The joke is really on the person who stole it from the Ambassador employee's residence because his theft kept him from revealing its identity and therefore claiming its worth - even as broken pieces...This current fraud can be exposed by simple common sense...If Michael Jeffery really sent one of Jimi's most famous guitars to Bob Levine there would be some mention of it in Bob's history...Wise persons will realize the fact there is no mention of this famous guitar from Bob prior to this later-year fantastic claim shows it is a fraud that was probably cooked-up by Tappy who then enlisted Bob in order to establish provenance outside himself...It is pretty obvious that once famous guitars like the Woodstock Stratocaster started selling for hundreds of thousands it burned on Tappy how much access he had to Jimi's guitars back then and how he missed the opportunity to score one of them...Tappy was most-likely informed that the Monterey guitar was still unlocated by collectors who came to him and asked him if he knew anything about it so he knew what to look for...With what we know about the current guitar's proven mis-identity, we can therefore assume a correct period black Strat with rosewood neck was sought in order to perpetrate the fraud and all it needed was sincere validation by Bob & Tappy and it was good to go...The reason you won't find any mention of this guitar prior to the 2000's is because that was when it first appeared - which tells you all you need to know...The real Monterey guitar suffered an unknown fate as it flowed out the garbage stream of time, room cleaning, and forgotten memories...
I am not bragging but I immediately thought it was clearly not the same guitar from the back of the guitar. Not even close, it looks like a Hendrix guitar you would find at a Pawn Shop in Itta Bena Mississippi
I have Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Casio electric organ which he used to write many master piece compositions on, starting bid at 10 million Naira (nigerian currency)
Psssh, c’mon now, everyone knows Mozart mainly used a Yamaha DX7!
@@400_billion_suns Not true cause DX7 came out many years later
Yo what’s up with the dark ass music and ominous vibe 😂
The energy of this video is so dramatic 😂
😂 It's to put people's senses on high alert as they examine the evidence for themselves! 😉
Good work, kudos to you and #CescoscornerGuitars for exposing the truth.
Yup, you've nailed it. Great detective work.
I and a few others noted the apparent contradiction in the ''wear' on the back when Paul posted his vid, but I guess we weren't certain, so stopped short of concluding anything too accusatory. But now we know.
It is quite possible that it IS Jimi Hendrix strat put together out of parts, a partscaster if you will...I do feel you are right it is not the guitar played at Monterey, BUT a guitar put together by a guitar tech on his crew
Hi, thanks for the comment! I agree that it's *possible,* but I'm also of the mindset "fool me once..." An attempt to deceive once means any other claims of originality must be heavily scrutinized, in my opinion.
There is no evidence to support that whatsoever. Bob Vila may have built it but probably not.
Has the guitar shop been contacted for comment?
When I watched Paul Davids video I was instantly skeptical. The wear on the back was nowhere near the original. Of course that can change over time, but it just seemed off. I left a comment on his video to that effect as well. Nice research, I never noticed the neck.
What impact does this have on my guitar playing? Or any of ours…..I like my Strat.
If you were looking for lesson videos, I’m afraid you’ve come to the wrong channel, sir. The lessons are thataway ->
Wow! Paul Tell us someting
U are a really real musician,not ok they mess w. You n Jimis legacy..
I thought something about it looked strange when I first saw the video
This I some uncomfortable music but thanks for the good info
I really enjoyed the spooky music
The words come and go too fast I gave up halfway through looks like it would’ve been very interesting if it was narrated
I wonder what happens when something like this is brought to light. I imagine a cascade of people, starting with the current owner, going to whoever they bought it from to get their money back. Then that person does the same, and so on and so forth, ideally all the way back to the original liar/fool.
I don't have questions about the points you make, but the first half only proves that the decal is not original, but nothing about the neck.
Also at 3:53, the round chip seems almost inside the contour area.
Hi, regarding the decal, yes that is true. However, the likelihood of Jimi replacing a headstock decal on one of his guitars is slim to none. They were tools to him, which got banged up, beat up, and sometimes lit on fire. If the decal had been replaced, that's something that would have to be explained beyond the slightest doubt in the provenance documentation. Based on Paul's latest comment on the video, where he is now questioning the authenticity of the guitar too, and he has also seen all the provenance documentation, it's pretty safe to assume that nothing in it explains the decal mismatch.
On the round chip at 3:53, yes it does, and this is why the video from that night is an unreliable reference. If you watch it and pay close attention to the chips on the back, they appear to move around slightly on some shots, which is a combination of over-exposed highlights making the chips appear larger than they are, combined with the video interlacing making things in motion appear to shift around a bit. If you look at the white tied fabric at his waist, you can see the same thing, where the edges are indistinct and appear to be in two places at once. This is why I relied on the photographs to make the key points, which are sharper and show the true edges of the details. Edit: to clarify, the color shots are all captures from the video. The black and white images are photographs taken with a film camera.
Good catch
any mention of what the present owner thinks about all this?
Hi, I have no knowledge of that myself, but if he has information that somehow explains all of these problems with the guitar, I’d sure be interested to see it. I suspect nothing exists that explains it though, since it was already pulled from a major auction in 2017 due to validity concerns.
@@400_billion_suns to me looks like the owner is still claiming this is original because of the shop and Paul being invited to play it?
should have added even after it was pulled from that auction
The vintage guitar market is becoming like the art market. Theres enough money in it now where people will start faking things.
Cool.
good due diligence
Thanks! I appreciate it!
The part when he plugs into the orange amp just makes me cringe a little
Yeah man, that seemed like an odd choice to demo a guitar (supposedly) from someone whose legendary tones came from Fenders and Marshalls. I guess it kinda matched the authenticity of the guitar itself, though 😂
I have Jimi hendrux strat here if you want to play Paul davis.
wasn't expecting that... but sounds reasonable. what a shame
wow, I knew it. The scratches on the back didn't match
It wasn't that long ago, someone had a marshall head on reverb they claimed was hendrix with his name painted on it and stuff, you could clearly tell it was a fake, well it's what I thought anyway....
Hi, I remember that one too, and I thought the same. It had the name stenciled in a different location than any of the amps in the photos that were posted with it, and it didn't appear to have any remnants of old paint in other locations. Maybe it was real, but none of the amps in the photos seemed to match it.
@@400_billion_suns that's exactly what I thought, I sit there for a while comparing the two .....
Yeah wouldn’t it all “backwards” lol I don’t know
Spacca Bob down the Dog & Duck’s got Jimi’s guitar.
Paul Davids has just taken his video down!
great video, but the spooky backround sound was a bit much
A friend of mine is a top luthier/repairer.Parts are often swapped out,fake aged ones added, "bitsa" guitars,fake results are worth literally thousands..I have played a good number of vintage guitars in my time including a les paul slash played at wembley.Some are magical sounding musical instruments that with the benefit of a studio and plate reverb sound at another level.Some are old dogs and some are simply old guitars that sound no better or worse than a good quality modern or secondhand one.Think about it.Thanks
Why have these ominous sounds doe
I will say, the shifting of the logo could be down to the focal length of the camera lens. It can really change proportions of things closer to the edge of the photo. That being said, I don't think the guitar is genuine.
It's true that perspective and focal length differences can be deceptive, but it's not the case here. Just compare the two side by side without overlaying them, and note the proportional distance from the edge of the headstock to the bottom of the "Fender Stratocaster" text. The decal without the tremolo and patent number labeling is placed closer to the edge of the headstock, which was typical with the headstocks that were labeled this way for hardtail strats.
No. That's not how that works.
Good work ...............most casual observers would accept that it's real. I would think serious collectors throwing down 3/4 of a million bucks would do some research. Anyways, I highly doubt Jimi even owned that guitar much less played it.
Sixty sixty sounds is a great shop, as the guy said they just hosted the owner to show Paul’s vid. Great expose piece though man, I thought it was real to begin with but found it to good to be true. In my opinion if it was I thought no one should have the right to play that thing, put it on display behind glass so only the God has touched it and no one else.
From The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance: "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.”
Not.
Good research and all but, what's with the horror movie soundtrack? It's just someone trying to bank 10 million, it's not like a cult or a murderer case. We all need to chill.
This is the drama I was looking for. Poor Paul though, he just wanted to do a cool video for us.
Yeah. I think his intentions were good, but he got in over his head on this one, sadly. Cesco's Corner Guitars warned him the same day he posted it that it was a possible fake, but he didn't take down the video to look into it further. Although I feel bad for him, he has made a good chunk of cash from keeping the video up. The Myles guy in that video is a marketer whose business is using social media influencers (e.g. Paul) to market things. It seems possible that Myles' role was to use Paul to help provide visibility to that guitar, and also help plant the idea among Paul's huge audience that it was worth a crazy sum of money, so that the owner could sell it and make a fortune. I am wondering if Paul also received payment from Myles for doing the video. If he did, he might have himself in a sticky situation with a video that was contractually obligated that he can't take down, but this is purely speculation on my part. P.S. please check out CGS's video for more info if you're interested. He actually contacted Myles Poulton and tried to get answers from him: czcams.com/video/1RSRrpKc0Bw/video.html
It did sound f#cking amazing though!
Agreed 100%. On sound alone, it was absolutely convincing. I think it probably says as much about Paul and his abilities as the actual guitar. He could spin this into a positive angle by using it as a case-study of how much our attitudes and expectations influence not only what we hear, but also how connected we are with what we're playing. So many of our experiences and outcomes in life are mostly products of the mind!
.. so where's THE Jimi Hendrix Monterey strat? .. anyone know?
.. there are many great strats, sounds as great, plays as great .. but there can be one Jimi and one Jimi Monterey strat.
.. the mystery deepens, the romance, the search continues
A great question, right? Some people (including some who put a lot of past effort into researching all of Hendrix's history) firmly believe it was burned later that year in Washington, DC at the Ambassador Theatre. In 2017 some photos surfaced taken at that event from a woman who attended it in her youth (she had the original negatives), and there is one that does show Jimi with a flaming guitar that appears to be black on the sides of the body. Maybe it was a sunburst strat, or maybe it was the Monterey strat... we might never know, but there's no record of it being seen again after that summer.