This will be an ongoing series based on critiquing airports that are depicted in media. This video is about the famous Fort Zancudo in the game GTA V Parody of @CinemaSins
There’s plenty of bases next to mountains in fact there was an FOB in Afghanistan right in a valley, that everyone else in ISAF said was a bad idea but the Americans did anyway and they ended up getting attacked.
@@ripoutyourintestines7029 Difference is though, is that's an fob in a foreign nation, meant to establish peace and minds. Bases on American soil are to test train, and train more, so mountains don't make as much sense.
@@user-ob2rj4nt3j the Middle East sand box conflicts are canon in GTA. They’re happening there aswell. What better place to train and climatise your forces than a desert mountain where they’ll be going to a desert mountain. When I was with the Royal Marines we have a training camp called Garenlochhead, the mountains and hills that surround it are both public and military accessed for this reason. There’s nothing wrong with it having a mountain there. Even the highway, we had one close to ours for easy access. Bare in mind the UK stored the majority of their nuclear weaponry less than 3 miles away in Faslane which also has mountainous terrain around it and a publicly accessed Loch/River which their nuclear submarines are in. The most classified thing in Fort Zancudo would be the systems in the planes. If they can have all this stuff in very much public view the US Government can have a few F-16s, a Freedom Fighter training plane, 3 C-137s and a Little bird next to a mountain.
The whole military in GTA 5 is poorly designed. The ped models with full combat gear are listed as Combat Marines, but have Army patches on their sleeves. Every Officer in the base is a 4 star General. There are also Marine Officers who are somehow both 4 star Generals and Army Staff Sergeants at the same time given that they have both rank insignia present on their uniforms.
The police force also is. On the LS side it's mostly fine, but in Blaine County it gets messed up real fast. Since it's called Blaine County, I'm guessing the law enforcement agency should be called Blaine County Sheriff Dept, but for some reason it says Los Santos County Sheriff Dept on all their posted signs and vehicles (except in Paleto Bay, where there's a sign referencing the "Paleto Bay Sheriff's Office"). It would be fine if they could be spotted all around the map, alongside the LSPD in the city, but they don't (only in some parts of Vinewood, and on the beach for whatever reason). They also do traffic duties along the highways in parts of Blaine County, even though that would technically be the job of the San Andreas Highway Patrol. Which only seem to be present with officers wearing uniforms with a patch reading "Los Santos Highway Patrol" and using bikes boasting the LSPD logo and slogan.
@@adamdion7574 i think it's to avoid confusion with city cop and sheriffs, but tbh they could've just added components and texture variants for LSPD and Sheriffs, and maybe made combat marines spawn on 4+ on the military base, and NOOSE spawn more frequently on urban areas and replace it entirely on countryside Literally they didn't even need to add more units, just a couple of model variations could've done the trick but yet they couldn't even do that...
I have been on several military bases and they all have that, its to ensure that even if utilities in the surrounding area gets knocked down, the fort can still function and properly defend itself seperate from the outside.
In the Salvage yard robbery "The Podium Robbery" there is a setup mission where you release sewage inside the water and contaminate the water supply to the casino and you have to pretend to be a cleanup worker during the Heist and then sneak in and steal the car.
In real life, Fort Zancudo is supposed to be modeled after Vandenburg AFB and Naval Base Ventura County (Base layout from Vandenburg, environment around base is NBVC), by rockstar standards it's a Joint Forces Base, so in Reality, it should be named Joint Base Blaine County-Fort Zancudo. Also rockstar designed the vehicles to be in their own way, somethings dont make sense bc theyre just rockstar lore vehicles. The Titan, the Lazer, the Buzzard, are all lore vehicles that are combinations of some real life vehicles, made in their own way.
It's not just because of lore. It also has to do with licencing. If they just added a perfectly identical to real life, let's say the Lockheed Martin (Current manufacturer) F-16 without permission, they can get into trouble. Which is why you see pretty much every single flight sim/combat sim etc have all those lines in their manual or in credits or other saying something along the line of "Boeing licenced aircraft this Airbus licensed aircraft that".
That's what I always liked about R*, the way they handle vehicles designs is amazing, they combine vehicles while still making them look like the original vehicle they were going for allowing you to look at one at say "hey that looks like a ___" basically keeping the vehicle's design without having to deal with the vehicle's brand telling them what they can and can't do with the vehicle.
As a Marine Veteran, what stuck out for me was the lack of PPE worn by the soldiers/airmen carrying rifles. If they were going to the range, they would at least need to be wearing slings and some kind of cover on their heads. If they were on duty as part of the base security forces, they need to be wearing flak, battle belt, and Kevlar (and eye and ear protection). I guess whoever the SNCO or OIC is just doesn’t give a shit.
I will say, on the flightline, (any soft) Covers are a no-go since they can get blown away by wind and flung into aircraft, Kevlar n Kit would most definitely be the move in this case lol
@@andrewtaffinder I remember having the chance to visit Cherry Point a few times in my (short) military career. We did some training there, and learned a bit about how to work with the embarkers. Mostly is was when we flew out to places like Puerto Rico (or returning). During those periods, we would wear our “8-Point” covers when were on the flight deck.
Francis International Airport in GTA 4 is surprisingly detailed. However, it’s still flawed though. It’s Throwback Thursday, so here goes!! 1: The planes are taxiing around in an endless loop and never taking off or landing. 2: The airport cars (noted as “feroci2” and “perennial2” in the game’s files). I would forgive them on the grounds that real airports have a “follow me” car to assist planes with taxiing, and to guide other vehicles, such as construction vehicles, or limousines carrying celebrities to or from their private jets (Captain Joe has a whole video on that). However, Francis International is way too small to necessitate a “follow me” car. In addition to that, the airport cars in GTA 4 look nothing like a real “follow me” car. There are no “follow me” markings on them, only FlyUS logos. Plus the light bar on the roof of the airport car wouldn’t comply with FAA regulations. 3: The airport is well detailed, but it’s wasted on the fact that you can’t actually fly the planes without mods, as some of my videos show. Even then, you don’t get engine noise or propeller/jet animations, and the controls only pitch and roll. You don’t get yaw control, which necessitates steeper bank angles for tight turns while flying, and you can only taxi in a straight line. 4: Signs saying “CAUTION YOUR BLAST” next to the runway. What does that even mean? Is it a typo? Is it a crude joke, like the ones that are part of the furniture in all GTA games? In any case, it makes a good stunt jump, particularly on a motorcycle, but that serves no purpose other than one’s own enjoyment because, unlike previous GTA games, you don’t get any reward for stunt jumps. 5: Ray Bulgarin’s private jet. Not only does the door open so Luis can subdue the bodyguard and get in as the plane reaches V1, but also, it opens again in mid flight and Luis descends to safety with a parachute as the plane is destroyed in the air by a grenade. There is absolutely no way that would work because jet planes are pressurised, and the doors are held shut by the pressure because they are plug doors (Mentour Pilot has a whole video on that).
United States Marine Corps have aircraft squadrons and stations. Also with helicopters. Base can be a Joint Base. Air Force have security forces which gets combat training.
2:58 Usually airbases do have air force infantry that patrol around, however you'll see them with less gear than an army soldier on them 3:36 Military do also operate civilian vehicles painted with a livery that indicates it belongs for them, in my country they use Ford Rangers for example apart of Humvees 4:41 It's a water purification pool I think And the Cargobob and Rhino tank around it might indicate that this is a joint military base which means more than one military branch can operate from there
air force bases (stateside) will NOT have "infantry" patrolling around. the closest thing to that would be security forces driving around in a police car on base/manning gates.
@@_TAKticianformer Army guy here but, "Security forces" are a form of infantry. Similar to Army/MC MPs. They operate as a police element base side but, can be deployed for combat as regular infantry. This is basically like saying Marines aren't infantry because they're part of the Navy. However "Marine" is just another way of saying "Naval Infantry". However unlike Army/MC MPs. Air Force SF guys are pretty much purely for base security & will likely have an Army unit to deploy outside the wire. This doesn't mean SF can't be deployed outside the wire but, not likely for combat mission. Also, whenever you see those guys on missions calling in airstrikes. Those are most likely Air-Force guys attached to whatever element is on a combat mission. Be they Army, Marine or Navy.
@@RadeUeMasq yes i will say SF CAN do that stuff, but they usually don't. so in my mind they don't really register as infantry. also SF has nothing to do with airstrikes, that'll be done by TACPs or maybe CCTs
2:57 To answer your question, according to the Wikipedia Fort Zancudo is a Joint base, with the Amy, Airforce, and Marine corps, Stupidly enough there are no marines around.
The military got like no attention in this game lol. The military members that chase you are supposed to have military police vehicles or humvees and the gate guard is supposed to ask you for ID not point a gun at you😂
0:42 Smaller aircrafts are allowed to park in hangars that are "too big" for them, the main issue here is that, not only it doesnt alighn with parking lines again, but it also takes up a place for a bigger aircraft. (Bigger aircrafts cant become smaller with one clap, thats why hangar needs to have this place in case of emergency ( Smaller aircrafts are usually parked near walls of hangar)) 3:00 The "Fort" in "Fort Zancudo" probably means the fact that its both, if someone , for some reason, attacks Los Santos, Fort holds some potential from the get-go, however the Fort can always request additional power via air, and maybe even sea. Do note that im not expert (actually really far from being one) dont take my things with 100% confidence, correct me if i am wrong.
@@iFlorinARDE In the U.S, if a traffic light isn't working, you're taught in driver's Ed to treat the intersection as a 4-way stop. You'll never see a stop sign at an intersection with a light, as it gives conflicting signals
Interestingly enough, while A.I will turn left (in some games they don't, such as Watch Dogs 2) it clearly doesn't understand that left-turning traffic yields to oncoming and right-turning traffic, as the A.I will randomly cut people off when turning left. Also, they'res an implication of protected turns, but not of the traffic signals have arrows, so you can never tell what's supposed to be a protected turn, and what's just a green light
I absolutely agree that the US military using AKs makes me cringe. There is a perfectly good M4 in the vanilla game already and they also added a perfectly fine and modern AR15 design (Carbine Rifle Mk2), also a literal M16. I would adore a patch to fix this issue.
TBF, magazine was closer to an AKM than the AK12, and in game, the iron sights are nothing close to an AK12. I would say AKM or AK103 is the closest to the in game model
somewhat of a GTA 5 veteran here (playing since 2014). ive been to this base countless times and while ive never cared about most of the stuff youve mentioned, i have noticed the random runway and the buzzard/lazer parked randomly and ON the taxiway (you'd collide with them if you were in any plane). Something i would add to this is the fact the helipads are placed directly under the glideslope of Runway 30, along with the extremely tall runway lights which can be a hazard even for a medium sized aircraft. I like to land in first person and i always feel like im about to hit the runway lights, but i never do. However there was one time that a helicopter took off right in front of me as i was landing there, and i panicked because i ofc didnt expect it. So instead of going around for another attempt, i threw the joystick sideways which caused the plane to tilt to the right at a 90⁰, then the right wing hit one of the runway lights, tearing it off. Then i spun upside down and crashed. Honestly that was insane and i have had very few *actual* plane crashes in gta 5. That is definitely something they better have taken care of in gta 6
I’m stationed at joint base San Antonio (JBSA) but none of the bases including the actual listed “Army Base” had tanks rolling around lol. Also R* forgot to add the most important part of a base, the PX.
@TheRenegade. I went to JB-MDL for MEPS. It didn't have tanks, either. I was just saying that Joint Bases do exist and that's probably what Fort Zancudo is. But R* literally could've just saw Military Base and left it at that. Lol.
@@thatonewaspatyourpicnic7978 My bad I didn’t mean to make it look like I was disagreeing with you. I just wanted to add on myself but I totally agree.
Even the name is wrong, its an Airbase. A fort should be loaded with bunkers, barracks, vehicle storage hangars, armories, fuel depo, maybe a runway too or heli pads.
Sandy shores Airfield kind of reminds me of an old WW 2 base with the main runway being for heavy bombers to operate from with a shorter secondary runway for escorting fighters to use.
One thing to take into account is that Rockstar is a British company. They don't have the Military/Gun aspect of our culture, so it totally makes sense why they would get alot of that stuff wrong. I mean it could all be solved by having firearms consultants or armed forces veterans guiding you through the processes of making guns and military stuff, but I can forgive them for not putting a whole let of effort into that field all the way back in 2010-2013 when all of that stuff was being developed
So as someone in the Air Force, I have some things to say. The jet isn’t facing the wrong way in the hangar, we park the jets facing out towards the door. The Hangar also looks as if it could be a backshop or Phase hangar which are larger hangers where heavier maintenance is done. My base has tanks as the Army also has personnel here but on display, obviously not ones to drive around. You can find other service aircraft on base sometimes because they’ll stop to get gas or have a reason to be on base. Just some little info to add, liked the video
Didn't even mention Sargeant General. One of the NPCs is in a garrision uniform and either has an E-6 or E-7 patch (Staff or Sergeant first class) on his arms and five stars on his shoulder tabs. The last five star was Bradley back in the 80s.
The bit you said about soldiers in an Air Force base... i'm ex R.A.F. Regiment (🇬🇧), my job was Air Force Infantry... so i did march around Airbases.. not sure about U.S though
Active Air Force F-16 crew chief here. My guess about this base is that it’s a joint base of some sort, judging by all of the different vehicles around. I don’t work at a joint base, but in my base we don’t have Security Forces walking around on the line with AKs and no helmets lol. You are right about the outdoor parking - they seldom have aircraft outside of the overhangs, usually only for certain things like at a certain shop that doesn’t have a lot of indoor space, at EOR, troubleshooting certain things like GPS where you need to see the sky above the aircraft, trim pad runs, etc. Also we do just leave tow bars unattended like that on the ready line, we just take a coleman or bobtail over and pick them up when we need it. Fun fact; I went around to look at the different AGE (aerospace ground equipment) they have around the flightline and most things are actually pretty accurately modeled. I don’t have too much else to add, just wanted to throw a few things out there. I liked the video too btw :)
I’m just gonna say it’s an army aviation base since the base seems to revolve around its planes. Every base can have anyone from a different branch like at Camp Pendleton marine Corp base, if you hang around enough you’ll find airmen and soldiers. As for sailors it’s pretty normal to find sailors in MCBs and vice versa
I think the small runway might have been an original runway before the base was expanded sometime later. The water tank is probably a treatment plant so they can have a water supply if the power goes out or the main lines are disconnected
0:33 Most USAF bases do not have hangar storage for most planes on hand, usually either sitting out in the elements (they will survive most climates) for heavier and larger aircraft like Cargo and Bomber. Fighters usually just have shaded pavilion style parking spots mostly to shade the aircraft from the sun so the pilots don't burn themselves upon sitting in said jet, or damage avionics in the rain if the canopy is open. As these aircraft are usually in deserts or warmer climates.
The "Leopard 2A4" tank is in fact, not just, a German Leopard 2A4 tank. Its closer based on the South Afrikan TTD and takes elements from the Japanese Type 90 tank. its basically 3 tanks, mashed together.
To be fair I completely agree with the fire truck point. Such a massive game studio but they only made one fire truck. And that goes for all of the in game services, 1 ambulance, 1 fire trucks, 5 cop car models with reskins. On and the departments, 2 counties, but only one sheriff’s office and fire department, the fire department claims to be for the city but has county markings, i could be here all day listing things wrong but I won’t. Thank you for reading this rant. (If someone does)
The military personnel have army on their uniforms if you look close enough even though the camouflage does not match any type of camouflage the military wears
It feels like the military in general was a last minute addition to the game, only two military aircraft that shoot, the soldiers carry the wrong weapons and don't even have vests or helmets, that horrendous nightmare creature they call the Rhino existing, the list goes on. It seems so ridiculously unfinished and sloppy I can't imagine this was the original vision they wanted.
I was an F-16 tech in Ramon Air Force Base. We didn't have tanks inside but they would often train right outside the perimeter, Also whole bunch of spec ops would train on navigating inside and outside of the base in the desert, they're the types who would occasionally rock AK-47s
The numbers on the runway mean the direction it's facing, so since there's runway 30 (300 degrees) and 33 (330 degrees) it's impossible that they'd be facing the same directions
They probably altered the appearance of the f-16 and the chinook to avoid a lawsuit. Plus every vehicle in gta are fictional vehicles based on real life ones
TACAN is used by way more than fighter pilots. AGE (Aerospace Ground Equipment like towbars, power carts, A/C carts, etc.) are almost always left at a ready line by themselves, so the tug not being there for the bar is fine. Aircraft are often towed and positioned in spots that aren't marked parking spots for show and tell, ceremony backdrops, etc... Also, I hate to break it to you, but planes are almost always parked outside and uncovered. - Aircraft Avionics Technician
I love getting recommended airplane and airport videos 2 days before my flight. Almost like Google knows exactly what I'm doing at all times. Good video might subscribe :)
Yea youtube and google will listen to things you are saying, and if you have a camera it could even follow your eyes to see what you are looking at too i think.
Loved the video @Spida! Can't wait for the next video man! First video of yours that I'm watching and absolutely loving the content man! I have a Few things about Fort Zancudo (or "Fort Mosquito" for those who also look at the Wiki) that mostly agree with you. Yes, the Whole Base is basically too Small. If Anything, there should be Single Engine Turboprop Aircraft on the Facility. According to the Wiki, it's used by the Army, Marines and the Air Force so it technically should be called "Joint Base Zancudo". For the Vehicles, Rockstar likely did everything they did not just for the Lore of GTA, but also to avoid getting slapped with Copyright Infringement suits. Yes, Apparently anything after 1999 is Protected by Copyright Laws, meaning using actual American Military Equipment would have the Federal Government dogpiling on Rockstar worse than the ATF going on the Branch Dividian at Waco, Nevermind the Fact that it's actual F-16C "Viper" Fighting Falcon Fighters, F/A-18E Super Hornets, CH-53E Super Stallion and CH-47D Chinook Heavy Lift Cargo Helicopters or even M1A2 SEP V2 or V3 Main Battle Tanks, all of which would only serve to Legitimize the Federal government going after them, It's doing so without the Express Permission of either the Federal government or the Contractors who Manufactured these Vehicles like General Dynamics, Boeing, Sikorsky, etc. Although as far as the Rhino still looking like an Outdated Leopard 2A4 Main Battle Tank is Concerned, maybe Krauss-Maffei or even the Reichstag weren't all that Concerned about it to do the same. You've got a decent point with the Radar to be honest. Most, if not all, Radars are on the Top of the Air Traffic control towers. Back to the Matter on Size..... The whole Base is Too small. You can't even fit a Modded KC-135 Stratotanker Aerial Refueling Tanker or a C-5M Galaxy Strategic Heavy Lift Cargo Aircraft in there without knocking the Wingtips into some part of the Base! Let me know what you think about this and I'll catch you in your next video man!
2:18 Setting aside all the imperfections, I'd like to say this might be trying to replicated a carrier landing training runway. For example, MCAS Miramar's runway 24L in real life has a simulated carrier deck painted in the middle of the runway for this purpose.
The only thing I can suggest for the 'short runway' is irl the Navy have small painted sections on actual runways to use as carrier landing training instruments identical to this. Not sure of the names of the places but there are a few across the USA. However this would make no sense in GTA as this is not a Navy base and the Air Force don't land on carriers
4:15 I can say that you could find Marine or Army equipment on an Airforce base if the base is a joint-base and not an exclusive one, like Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Tacoma Washington which is home to I-Core, as well as the 62nd Airlift Wing. (I-Core being Army, 62nd being Airforce). As well as Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek-Fort Story in Virginia, home of some Army and Navy forces.
The Cargobob's fuselage is probably based on a CH-46 Sea Knight than a CH-47 Chinook. The CH-46 is a tandem-rotor helicopter like the Chinook, but smaller.
Maybe GTA V takes place in an alternate universe where the Leopard defeated some Abrams variant in some contest and got adopted to remplace the M1 Abrams as the US Army's MBT
It could be possible that Fort Zancudo could be a Joint Base (like Pearl Harbor or Andrews) between both the U.S. Army and the U.S. Air Force. Then again, if you fly into their air space, they call it "U.S. Army Air Space".
Hope you do the aircraft carrier next. The main problem is that real carriers never travel alone in the US Navy, always as part of carrier strike groups. There should be at least 2 destroyers and a submarine nearby, which arent in game. Also the design of the Hydra is absolutely horrible from an aviation standpoint
I don't think you'll find any Air Force bases named "Fort" and the ones that are typically take the name of a person, not a place. Conversely, you won't find a lot of fighter jets stationed on Army installations. Which leads me to the conclusion that Fort Zancudo is really Joint Base Los Santos/Zancudo AFB. They could benefit from a little outside expertise haha.
The base is to close to a mountain. One soldiers will say “I’m a f-king Marine,” while wearing an Army patch.
There’s plenty of bases next to mountains in fact there was an FOB in Afghanistan right in a valley, that everyone else in ISAF said was a bad idea but the Americans did anyway and they ended up getting attacked.
@@ripoutyourintestines7029 theres a movie about that base isnt there?
@@cruize55 Yeah, outpost is what the movie called, good watch
@@ripoutyourintestines7029 Difference is though, is that's an fob in a foreign nation, meant to establish peace and minds. Bases on American soil are to test train, and train more, so mountains don't make as much sense.
@@user-ob2rj4nt3j the Middle East sand box conflicts are canon in GTA. They’re happening there aswell.
What better place to train and climatise your forces than a desert mountain where they’ll be going to a desert mountain.
When I was with the Royal Marines we have a training camp called Garenlochhead, the mountains and hills that surround it are both public and military accessed for this reason. There’s nothing wrong with it having a mountain there.
Even the highway, we had one close to ours for easy access.
Bare in mind the UK stored the majority of their nuclear weaponry less than 3 miles away in Faslane which also has mountainous terrain around it and a publicly accessed Loch/River which their nuclear submarines are in.
The most classified thing in Fort Zancudo would be the systems in the planes.
If they can have all this stuff in very much public view the US Government can have a few F-16s, a Freedom Fighter training plane, 3 C-137s and a Little bird next to a mountain.
The whole military in GTA 5 is poorly designed. The ped models with full combat gear are listed as Combat Marines, but have Army patches on their sleeves. Every Officer in the base is a 4 star General. There are also Marine Officers who are somehow both 4 star Generals and Army Staff Sergeants at the same time given that they have both rank insignia present on their uniforms.
It's a video game about robbing banks. Cry yourself to sleep.
The police force also is. On the LS side it's mostly fine, but in Blaine County it gets messed up real fast. Since it's called Blaine County, I'm guessing the law enforcement agency should be called Blaine County Sheriff Dept, but for some reason it says Los Santos County Sheriff Dept on all their posted signs and vehicles (except in Paleto Bay, where there's a sign referencing the "Paleto Bay Sheriff's Office"). It would be fine if they could be spotted all around the map, alongside the LSPD in the city, but they don't (only in some parts of Vinewood, and on the beach for whatever reason). They also do traffic duties along the highways in parts of Blaine County, even though that would technically be the job of the San Andreas Highway Patrol. Which only seem to be present with officers wearing uniforms with a patch reading "Los Santos Highway Patrol" and using bikes boasting the LSPD logo and slogan.
@@adamdion7574 i think it's to avoid confusion with city cop and sheriffs, but tbh they could've just added components and texture variants for LSPD and Sheriffs, and maybe made combat marines spawn on 4+ on the military base, and NOOSE spawn more frequently on urban areas and replace it entirely on countryside
Literally they didn't even need to add more units, just a couple of model variations could've done the trick but yet they couldn't even do that...
@@jermainefed1612 rockstar have a bigger budget than hollywood films, it's not hard to get small details right.
@@l-x- So they're not allowed to make mistakes in stuff they don't even specialize in
4:42 is just a water purification plant
Or a sewage clarification pond.
I think it's to clean the Sewage water
I have been on several military bases and they all have that, its to ensure that even if utilities in the surrounding area gets knocked down, the fort can still function and properly defend itself seperate from the outside.
i didnt know that until they used it for a sanitation truck mission in gta online lol
In the Salvage yard robbery "The Podium Robbery" there is a setup mission where you release sewage inside the water and contaminate the water supply to the casino and you have to pretend to be a cleanup worker during the Heist and then sneak in and steal the car.
In real life, Fort Zancudo is supposed to be modeled after Vandenburg AFB and Naval Base Ventura County (Base layout from Vandenburg, environment around base is NBVC), by rockstar standards it's a Joint Forces Base, so in Reality, it should be named Joint Base Blaine County-Fort Zancudo.
Also rockstar designed the vehicles to be in their own way, somethings dont make sense bc theyre just rockstar lore vehicles. The Titan, the Lazer, the Buzzard, are all lore vehicles that are combinations of some real life vehicles, made in their own way.
Yeah he shouldnt add sins for the vehicles not being exactly the same as real ones as they are not supposed to be and probably not even allowed to be
Good point, but the Jeep is still a sin imo. They don't use Jeep Wranglers
It's not just because of lore. It also has to do with licencing.
If they just added a perfectly identical to real life, let's say the Lockheed Martin (Current manufacturer) F-16 without permission, they can get into trouble.
Which is why you see pretty much every single flight sim/combat sim etc have all those lines in their manual or in credits or other saying something along the line of "Boeing licenced aircraft this Airbus licensed aircraft that".
That's what I always liked about R*, the way they handle vehicles designs is amazing, they combine vehicles while still making them look like the original vehicle they were going for allowing you to look at one at say "hey that looks like a ___" basically keeping the vehicle's design without having to deal with the vehicle's brand telling them what they can and can't do with the vehicle.
If its modeled after Vandenberg another point should be removed.
Where the hell are the Vandenberg Launchpads?
As a Marine Veteran, what stuck out for me was the lack of PPE worn by the soldiers/airmen carrying rifles. If they were going to the range, they would at least need to be wearing slings and some kind of cover on their heads. If they were on duty as part of the base security forces, they need to be wearing flak, battle belt, and Kevlar (and eye and ear protection). I guess whoever the SNCO or OIC is just doesn’t give a shit.
I will say, on the flightline, (any soft) Covers are a no-go since they can get blown away by wind and flung into aircraft, Kevlar n Kit would most definitely be the move in this case lol
@@andrewtaffinder I remember having the chance to visit Cherry Point a few times in my (short) military career. We did some training there, and learned a bit about how to work with the embarkers. Mostly is was when we flew out to places like Puerto Rico (or returning). During those periods, we would wear our “8-Point” covers when were on the flight deck.
Not one PT belt in sight
No ur not
@@pot6577 Not what?
Need to do GTA 4's Airport
Francis International Airport in GTA 4 is surprisingly detailed. However, it’s still flawed though. It’s Throwback Thursday, so here goes!!
1: The planes are taxiing around in an endless loop and never taking off or landing.
2: The airport cars (noted as “feroci2” and “perennial2” in the game’s files). I would forgive them on the grounds that real airports have a “follow me” car to assist planes with taxiing, and to guide other vehicles, such as construction vehicles, or limousines carrying celebrities to or from their private jets (Captain Joe has a whole video on that). However, Francis International is way too small to necessitate a “follow me” car. In addition to that, the airport cars in GTA 4 look nothing like a real “follow me” car. There are no “follow me” markings on them, only FlyUS logos. Plus the light bar on the roof of the airport car wouldn’t comply with FAA regulations.
3: The airport is well detailed, but it’s wasted on the fact that you can’t actually fly the planes without mods, as some of my videos show. Even then, you don’t get engine noise or propeller/jet animations, and the controls only pitch and roll. You don’t get yaw control, which necessitates steeper bank angles for tight turns while flying, and you can only taxi in a straight line.
4: Signs saying “CAUTION YOUR BLAST” next to the runway. What does that even mean? Is it a typo? Is it a crude joke, like the ones that are part of the furniture in all GTA games? In any case, it makes a good stunt jump, particularly on a motorcycle, but that serves no purpose other than one’s own enjoyment because, unlike previous GTA games, you don’t get any reward for stunt jumps.
5: Ray Bulgarin’s private jet. Not only does the door open so Luis can subdue the bodyguard and get in as the plane reaches V1, but also, it opens again in mid flight and Luis descends to safety with a parachute as the plane is destroyed in the air by a grenade. There is absolutely no way that would work because jet planes are pressurised, and the doors are held shut by the pressure because they are plug doors (Mentour Pilot has a whole video on that).
@@MrSupercar55yeah but it's too way small
6: There's a plane flying around the map in an endless loop with endless fuel
Everything in GTA 4 is trash don't nothing in GTA 4 needs to come in GTA 5
@@kisamekinghoshigaki6116 GTA 4 APC is way better that GTA 5 except for it not being amphibious
No way this man said "no spoilers" in 2024 💀💀💀
Why? There isn't an expiration date for spoilers. Spoilers are still spoilers.
Exactly, I know some people who played the game for the first time a couple of months ago
With the gta6 trailer being out there’s been a influx of new players who never played the game
United States Marine Corps have aircraft squadrons and stations. Also with helicopters. Base can be a Joint Base. Air Force have security forces which gets combat training.
2:58 Usually airbases do have air force infantry that patrol around, however you'll see them with less gear than an army soldier on them
3:36 Military do also operate civilian vehicles painted with a livery that indicates it belongs for them, in my country they use Ford Rangers for example apart of Humvees
4:41 It's a water purification pool I think
And the Cargobob and Rhino tank around it might indicate that this is a joint military base which means more than one military branch can operate from there
"air force infantry"
literally doesn't exist
air force bases (stateside) will NOT have "infantry" patrolling around. the closest thing to that would be security forces driving around in a police car on base/manning gates.
I work on the flightline and I have never seen "infantry" roaming around
@@_TAKticianformer Army guy here but, "Security forces" are a form of infantry. Similar to Army/MC MPs. They operate as a police element base side but, can be deployed for combat as regular infantry.
This is basically like saying Marines aren't infantry because they're part of the Navy. However "Marine" is just another way of saying "Naval Infantry".
However unlike Army/MC MPs. Air Force SF guys are pretty much purely for base security & will likely have an Army unit to deploy outside the wire. This doesn't mean SF can't be deployed outside the wire but, not likely for combat mission.
Also, whenever you see those guys on missions calling in airstrikes. Those are most likely Air-Force guys attached to whatever element is on a combat mission. Be they Army, Marine or Navy.
@@RadeUeMasq yes i will say SF CAN do that stuff, but they usually don't. so in my mind they don't really register as infantry. also SF has nothing to do with airstrikes, that'll be done by TACPs or maybe CCTs
might as well be part of the GTA 6 development team to probably help them design the airports there BEFORE ITS ALL TOO LATE.
It's all too late, the game is already done, they're focusing on optimizing
@@SOSnonsense :(
2:57 To answer your question, according to the Wikipedia Fort Zancudo is a Joint base, with the Amy, Airforce, and Marine corps, Stupidly enough there are no marines around.
It was brought up that the Marine Corps complained/filed for action to have the uniforms removed. (Allegedly)
Now it's time for Grand Theft Auto IV's Francis International Airport (FIA). Hope we will see it before GTA VI comes out
The military got like no attention in this game lol. The military members that chase you are supposed to have military police vehicles or humvees and the gate guard is supposed to ask you for ID not point a gun at you😂
0:42 Smaller aircrafts are allowed to park in hangars that are "too big" for them, the main issue here is that, not only it doesnt alighn with parking lines again, but it also takes up a place for a bigger aircraft. (Bigger aircrafts cant become smaller with one clap, thats why hangar needs to have this place in case of emergency ( Smaller aircrafts are usually parked near walls of hangar))
3:00 The "Fort" in "Fort Zancudo" probably means the fact that its both, if someone , for some reason, attacks Los Santos, Fort holds some potential from the get-go, however the Fort can always request additional power via air, and maybe even sea.
Do note that im not expert (actually really far from being one) dont take my things with 100% confidence, correct me if i am wrong.
U wanna know a video thats gonna be annoying to do? “Everything wrong with gta's street signs” they have stop signs at stop lights 🤦🏾♂️
GTA IV and GTA V are both a MUTCD nightmare!
well, based by EU road law, the stop sign is there in case the traffic lights stop working. The US road law might be different so i don't know.
@@iFlorinARDE In the U.S, if a traffic light isn't working, you're taught in driver's Ed to treat the intersection as a 4-way stop. You'll never see a stop sign at an intersection with a light, as it gives conflicting signals
Interestingly enough, while A.I will turn left (in some games they don't, such as Watch Dogs 2) it clearly doesn't understand that left-turning traffic yields to oncoming and right-turning traffic, as the A.I will randomly cut people off when turning left.
Also, they'res an implication of protected turns, but not of the traffic signals have arrows, so you can never tell what's supposed to be a protected turn, and what's just a green light
cause it's satire mate
1:35 you get a sin because the Army doesn’t operate F-16s.
I’m pretty sure Fort Zancudo is a joint base run by the Marines, Air Force and Army
guarantee it was built by Marines considering how it looks
This
The props on the c130 aren’t feathered. That’s what they are supposed to be like. When a prop is feathered, they are facing parallel with the wind
Yeah im stupid af lmaoo
Yet still posted it 🤨@SpidaMez
thanks i thought i was the only one who noticed🤣
@@SpidaMez why post the video with bad info
I absolutely agree that the US military using AKs makes me cringe. There is a perfectly good M4 in the vanilla game already and they also added a perfectly fine and modern AR15 design (Carbine Rifle Mk2), also a literal M16. I would adore a patch to fix this issue.
Im kinda mad at the fact he saud ak-47 when they're AK-12s
@@Operator_bravo they could be like AK-103 for all I know
TBF, magazine was closer to an AKM than the AK12, and in game, the iron sights are nothing close to an AK12. I would say AKM or AK103 is the closest to the in game model
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@@SpidaMez i have an AK-12
1:54 CZECH REPUBLIC MENTIOOOONEEEEEEEEEEDD RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
that place sucks
@@Ezdine_G8261 WHAT⁉️ AVERAGE PENIS SIZE IN CZECHIA 10 TIMEEEES BIGER THAN AMERIKA‼️‼️
@@Ezdine_G8261BOO, JSME MISTRI SVETA, KDO NESKACE NENI CECH
@@Ezdine_G8261I won't be there again.
somewhat of a GTA 5 veteran here (playing since 2014). ive been to this base countless times and while ive never cared about most of the stuff youve mentioned, i have noticed the random runway and the buzzard/lazer parked randomly and ON the taxiway (you'd collide with them if you were in any plane). Something i would add to this is the fact the helipads are placed directly under the glideslope of Runway 30, along with the extremely tall runway lights which can be a hazard even for a medium sized aircraft. I like to land in first person and i always feel like im about to hit the runway lights, but i never do. However there was one time that a helicopter took off right in front of me as i was landing there, and i panicked because i ofc didnt expect it. So instead of going around for another attempt, i threw the joystick sideways which caused the plane to tilt to the right at a 90⁰, then the right wing hit one of the runway lights, tearing it off. Then i spun upside down and crashed. Honestly that was insane and i have had very few *actual* plane crashes in gta 5. That is definitely something they better have taken care of in gta 6
4:16 - 4:27 There are such a thing as Joint Bases. Ex. one from my state of New Jersey is Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst.
Fort Zancudo is only described as Military base.. never really seen it as just an air force base
@@williamhaynes7089 Exactly.
I’m stationed at joint base San Antonio (JBSA) but none of the bases including the actual listed “Army Base” had tanks rolling around lol. Also R* forgot to add the most important part of a base, the PX.
@TheRenegade. I went to JB-MDL for MEPS. It didn't have tanks, either. I was just saying that Joint Bases do exist and that's probably what Fort Zancudo is. But R* literally could've just saw Military Base and left it at that. Lol.
@@thatonewaspatyourpicnic7978 My bad I didn’t mean to make it look like I was disagreeing with you. I just wanted to add on myself but I totally agree.
The soldiers will spawn with the carabine rifle if you get inside the base with a wanted level.
I never thought in a decade someone would hate and say the Fort Zancudo statue designs's combination of an F18 and F16 are stupid, but here we are.
The centre line runway lights are bumpy and that makes me sad.
:(
Hi redsparrow gang
Even the name is wrong, its an Airbase. A fort should be loaded with bunkers, barracks, vehicle storage hangars, armories, fuel depo, maybe a runway too or heli pads.
Good Video!! do the Sandy Shores airfield next!
Sandy shores Airfield kind of reminds me of an old WW 2 base with the main runway being for heavy bombers to operate from with a shorter secondary runway for escorting fighters to use.
Billion dollar company tweaks models to avoid lawsuits. Shocking
The most anticipated video sequel I've ever seen in my life. I need more of this.
2:25 two parallel runways with the same heading and different runway designators 😂
One thing to take into account is that Rockstar is a British company. They don't have the Military/Gun aspect of our culture, so it totally makes sense why they would get alot of that stuff wrong. I mean it could all be solved by having firearms consultants or armed forces veterans guiding you through the processes of making guns and military stuff, but I can forgive them for not putting a whole let of effort into that field all the way back in 2010-2013 when all of that stuff was being developed
Im sure they have plenty of advisors in the us
Should look at some of the beta images representing the base. It was originally supposed to be much larger but Mount Joseiah took it's place.
So as someone in the Air Force, I have some things to say. The jet isn’t facing the wrong way in the hangar, we park the jets facing out towards the door. The Hangar also looks as if it could be a backshop or Phase hangar which are larger hangers where heavier maintenance is done. My base has tanks as the Army also has personnel here but on display, obviously not ones to drive around. You can find other service aircraft on base sometimes because they’ll stop to get gas or have a reason to be on base. Just some little info to add, liked the video
Didn't even mention Sargeant General. One of the NPCs is in a garrision uniform and either has an E-6 or E-7 patch (Staff or Sergeant first class) on his arms and five stars on his shoulder tabs. The last five star was Bradley back in the 80s.
0 views in 32 seconds? Bro fell off
Woah the trend has reached this far
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Every video containing this braindead comment ? Dude fell off hard
I hate this trend
Bot ahh comment
The bit you said about soldiers in an Air Force base... i'm ex R.A.F. Regiment (🇬🇧), my job was Air Force Infantry... so i did march around Airbases.. not sure about U.S though
good to know!
In the US Military we don't march again after training unless we're honor guard.
2 parellel runways
One is 30 other is 33
Appearently that base is only like a mile away from the magnetic north
You can never forget about the people jumping the ramp to steal Lazers while under Lester’s blind eye…especially before the Lazer cannon nerf
It seems unlikely that a secure military base would have a public highway tunnel directly underneath the runways.
153: the runway centreline lights sit too high, such that some aircraft will be bounced out of control by them.
Please don't stop with this series
This is a really awesome video idea, and a really good and funny video too. thank you for this : )
bro said the c-130 props are always feathered even tho they aren't 1:06
Oh wait im stupid
Active Air Force F-16 crew chief here. My guess about this base is that it’s a joint base of some sort, judging by all of the different vehicles around. I don’t work at a joint base, but in my base we don’t have Security Forces walking around on the line with AKs and no helmets lol. You are right about the outdoor parking - they seldom have aircraft outside of the overhangs, usually only for certain things like at a certain shop that doesn’t have a lot of indoor space, at EOR, troubleshooting certain things like GPS where you need to see the sky above the aircraft, trim pad runs, etc. Also we do just leave tow bars unattended like that on the ready line, we just take a coleman or bobtail over and pick them up when we need it. Fun fact; I went around to look at the different AGE (aerospace ground equipment) they have around the flightline and most things are actually pretty accurately modeled. I don’t have too much else to add, just wanted to throw a few things out there. I liked the video too btw :)
I’m just gonna say it’s an army aviation base since the base seems to revolve around its planes. Every base can have anyone from a different branch like at Camp Pendleton marine Corp base, if you hang around enough you’ll find airmen and soldiers. As for sailors it’s pretty normal to find sailors in MCBs and vice versa
The fact that this is the only area where you can fly a attack fighter or helicopter seconds before being shot down by everyone on the base.
Gta v fighter jet actually made that purpose to avoid copyright
I think the small runway might have been an original runway before the base was expanded sometime later.
The water tank is probably a treatment plant so they can have a water supply if the power goes out or the main lines are disconnected
The props on the cargo plane are in the low pitch setting, they will produce max thrust at that blade angle
5:10 without this the game wouldn't be playable guys!!!
correct
yes was waiting for this
0:33 Most USAF bases do not have hangar storage for most planes on hand, usually either sitting out in the elements (they will survive most climates) for heavier and larger aircraft like Cargo and Bomber. Fighters usually just have shaded pavilion style parking spots mostly to shade the aircraft from the sun so the pilots don't burn themselves upon sitting in said jet, or damage avionics in the rain if the canopy is open. As these aircraft are usually in deserts or warmer climates.
The "Leopard 2A4" tank is in fact, not just, a German Leopard 2A4 tank.
Its closer based on the South Afrikan TTD and takes elements from the Japanese Type 90 tank.
its basically 3 tanks, mashed together.
To be fair I completely agree with the fire truck point. Such a massive game studio but they only made one fire truck. And that goes for all of the in game services, 1 ambulance, 1 fire trucks, 5 cop car models with reskins. On and the departments, 2 counties, but only one sheriff’s office and fire department, the fire department claims to be for the city but has county markings, i could be here all day listing things wrong but I won’t. Thank you for reading this rant. (If someone does)
Um, Ambulance has 2 skins.
They play colors midday on the base as well.
4:32 if you enter the base in director mode and keep killing the tanks, they keep on coming- like… it’s an airbase.. not a whole ass tank factory.
there are alot of cursed things but there are these things called Joint Bases, where you can find 2 or more branches
1:05 is not feathered, but in a windmilling position, or just called unfeathered. So its only really optimized for take-off and landings
The military personnel have army on their uniforms if you look close enough even though the camouflage does not match any type of camouflage the military wears
It feels like the military in general was a last minute addition to the game, only two military aircraft that shoot, the soldiers carry the wrong weapons and don't even have vests or helmets, that horrendous nightmare creature they call the Rhino existing, the list goes on. It seems so ridiculously unfinished and sloppy I can't imagine this was the original vision they wanted.
Great vid, I always thought Fort Zancudo was so nonsensical
The radar on the base is missing the rectangular secondary radar that sits on top of the primary radar.
you cant forget the parallel runways with different runway numbers
Tow bars aren't connected to a tug unless an A/C is actively being pulled
The biggest sin is its an airbase named "Fort." It should be Zancudo Air Force base or Joint Base Zancudo depending on who owns it.
I was an F-16 tech in Ramon Air Force Base. We didn't have tanks inside but they would often train right outside the perimeter, Also whole bunch of spec ops would train on navigating inside and outside of the base in the desert, they're the types who would occasionally rock AK-47s
There’s supposedly a naval air station in GTA 6 would be cool to see what that’d look like
I love ur vids dude. So entertianing
The numbers on the runway mean the direction it's facing, so since there's runway 30 (300 degrees) and 33 (330 degrees) it's impossible that they'd be facing the same directions
Noticed that, but at this point, I dont even consider the small one as a runway lmao
They probably altered the appearance of the f-16 and the chinook to avoid a lawsuit.
Plus every vehicle in gta are fictional vehicles based on real life ones
TACAN is used by way more than fighter pilots. AGE (Aerospace Ground Equipment like towbars, power carts, A/C carts, etc.) are almost always left at a ready line by themselves, so the tug not being there for the bar is fine. Aircraft are often towed and positioned in spots that aren't marked parking spots for show and tell, ceremony backdrops, etc... Also, I hate to break it to you, but planes are almost always parked outside and uncovered. - Aircraft Avionics Technician
4:46 thats a clairifier it just processes sewerage water and such which would make sense on a 'isolated' base
I had a low approach into for zancudo flying the 747 and hit those palm trees . So yes they do effect the glidslope of bad pilots lol
I love getting recommended airplane and airport videos 2 days before my flight. Almost like Google knows exactly what I'm doing at all times. Good video might subscribe :)
That's happening because Google and CZcams are listening to your microphone and recomend things you are talking about
@@user-my7nd6rn3x yeah, might just destroy my phone to avoid that
Yea youtube and google will listen to things you are saying, and if you have a camera it could even follow your eyes to see what you are looking at too i think.
Loved the video @Spida! Can't wait for the next video man! First video of yours that I'm watching and absolutely loving the content man! I have a Few things about Fort Zancudo (or "Fort Mosquito" for those who also look at the Wiki) that mostly agree with you.
Yes, the Whole Base is basically too Small. If Anything, there should be Single Engine Turboprop Aircraft on the Facility. According to the Wiki, it's used by the Army, Marines and the Air Force so it technically should be called "Joint Base Zancudo".
For the Vehicles, Rockstar likely did everything they did not just for the Lore of GTA, but also to avoid getting slapped with Copyright Infringement suits. Yes, Apparently anything after 1999 is Protected by Copyright Laws, meaning using actual American Military Equipment would have the Federal Government dogpiling on Rockstar worse than the ATF going on the Branch Dividian at Waco, Nevermind the Fact that it's actual F-16C "Viper" Fighting Falcon Fighters, F/A-18E Super Hornets, CH-53E Super Stallion and CH-47D Chinook Heavy Lift Cargo Helicopters or even M1A2 SEP V2 or V3 Main Battle Tanks, all of which would only serve to Legitimize the Federal government going after them, It's doing so without the Express Permission of either the Federal government or the Contractors who Manufactured these Vehicles like General Dynamics, Boeing, Sikorsky, etc. Although as far as the Rhino still looking like an Outdated Leopard 2A4 Main Battle Tank is Concerned, maybe Krauss-Maffei or even the Reichstag weren't all that Concerned about it to do the same.
You've got a decent point with the Radar to be honest. Most, if not all, Radars are on the Top of the Air Traffic control towers.
Back to the Matter on Size..... The whole Base is Too small. You can't even fit a Modded KC-135 Stratotanker Aerial Refueling Tanker or a C-5M Galaxy Strategic Heavy Lift Cargo Aircraft in there without knocking the Wingtips into some part of the Base!
Let me know what you think about this and I'll catch you in your next video man!
thank you!
this is the content that we dont want, but what we need. finally something something's watchable with gta 5
I think it is a joint operations base. Several bases in the states are joint operations.
2:18 Setting aside all the imperfections, I'd like to say this might be trying to replicated a carrier landing training runway. For example, MCAS Miramar's runway 24L in real life has a simulated carrier deck painted in the middle of the runway for this purpose.
fun fact....the soldier ped model is labled as a marine in director mode
The only thing I can suggest for the 'short runway' is irl the Navy have small painted sections on actual runways to use as carrier landing training instruments identical to this. Not sure of the names of the places but there are a few across the USA. However this would make no sense in GTA as this is not a Navy base and the Air Force don't land on carriers
maybe someone after this video will make a mapping where he fixes all the problems
4:15 I can say that you could find Marine or Army equipment on an Airforce base if the base is a joint-base and not an exclusive one, like Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Tacoma Washington which is home to I-Core, as well as the 62nd Airlift Wing. (I-Core being Army, 62nd being Airforce). As well as Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek-Fort Story in Virginia, home of some Army and Navy forces.
It has taken me 10 years to realise the Titan is undersized compared to a real C130 Hercules
Should've taken a sin off for the UFO easter egg.
you get a sin because thats not an ak47 , looks like an ak-24 with an ak 74 barrel
Its an AK101
The Cargobob's fuselage is probably based on a CH-46 Sea Knight than a CH-47 Chinook. The CH-46 is a tandem-rotor helicopter like the Chinook, but smaller.
Keep it up dawg
Btw, for the "water thing", it's not part of the base: it's one of LS Water Services tanks
Maybe GTA V takes place in an alternate universe where the Leopard defeated some Abrams variant in some contest and got adopted to remplace the M1 Abrams as the US Army's MBT
It could be possible that Fort Zancudo could be a Joint Base (like Pearl Harbor or Andrews) between both the U.S. Army and the U.S. Air Force. Then again, if you fly into their air space, they call it "U.S. Army Air Space".
It’s completely normal to leave helicopters outside
The aircraft have to be slightly different then the actual thing so they cant get sued
Hope you do the aircraft carrier next. The main problem is that real carriers never travel alone in the US Navy, always as part of carrier strike groups. There should be at least 2 destroyers and a submarine nearby, which arent in game.
Also the design of the Hydra is absolutely horrible from an aviation standpoint
The carrier has protection from fort zancudo who’s c130’s could be equipped with ASW equipment
I wish that the respective branches would be represented in GTA 6, at least infantry only bases, and more than 1 base lol
Besides being built right on a motorway tunnel opened to public, this base doesn't make much sense indeed
4:42 this is a waste water treatment plant, some military bases has their own waste water treatment facility.
its a water treatment tank and i dont think its apart of the base if it was it would be blocked off 4:45
I don't think you'll find any Air Force bases named "Fort" and the ones that are typically take the name of a person, not a place. Conversely, you won't find a lot of fighter jets stationed on Army installations. Which leads me to the conclusion that Fort Zancudo is really Joint Base Los Santos/Zancudo AFB. They could benefit from a little outside expertise haha.
i might be misremembering, but i think i heard pavel mention on some cayo setup that fort zancudo wasnt run by the actual military.
3:11 achktually that's a type 56-2, a chinese clone of the AK 🥸☝