Manchester United relegated to the second division, Tommy Docherty and Dave Sexton
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- čas přidán 2. 02. 2010
- United were relegated in 73-74, but in the second division were still attracting huge crowds at Old Trafford of over 50.000 , in some cases almost 60.000 (remember when OT was a stadium for just over 57.000). Also in this video you can see the two consecutive FA Cup finals, one lost against soton', one won against liverpool.
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Although not a Utd fan in those days, I will always remember the stunning goals scored by the likes of Macari, Hill, Pearson etc Man Utd were part of this lad's childhood!
My dad said that season in the second division was brilliant, the atmosphere at old Trafford and away games was something else he went to every game for about 5 seasons in the 70's but he still says that 74/75 season was the best
He's not wrong .
Doc,s Red Army ..the best atmosphere Old Trafford has ever had . The football was great too ..those were the days . Never won much but what an atmosphere to watch football in !
This was Old Trafford at its best.!!!!!The support for Utd then was incredible will never be bettered..!!!!!
Nobody has ever seen crowds like Uniteds in the 70s and no body ever will again..
Debatable but Tommy Dochertys team were very exciting to watch.
Atmosphere was amazing and I believe if the Doc had kept his job we would of been serious challengers. Fabulous attacking football and the players played for the shirt!
I agree 100%. The closest thing to following Manchester United were Old Firm games which I attended regularly, but week in week out there was nothing like following Doc's Red Army. Cities and towns all over the country braced themselves for the annual visit. Trains, cafes, pubs were all overflowing with fans thousands, of whom couldn't get in because the stadiums were full!! I can remember queuing outside the Stretford End many a time and not getting in because it was filled to capacity with thousands locked outside and still arriving hours before kick off.
My Uncle used to take me to Old Trafford in this era when I was a kid.. Always thought Stuart Pearson was a great player but you hear so little about him now.
Tell young fans that United were in the second division and they look at you as if you are a crank.
That season in the 2nd Div was amazing,Breaking attendance records at all the clubs we visited,Doc's Red Army on the march
The Gordon Hill goal in the 1976 Semi-Final against Graham Moseley is very similar to the Ray Wilkins goal against the same Goalkeeper in the 1983 FA Cup Final.
Seventies football was so much better than the predictable stuff played now. The atmosphere everywhere round the country was brilliant.
I miss that era good days
Didnt need any announcers telling fans when they should cheer and make a noise!
Dear 1990: Classic comment: Classic football in the days of yore. The atmosphere was brimming and buzzing. Excitement ruled. All competition was salient, important, unlike the triaging of certain events today, where the line-ups, subs, and -- even effort are adulterated.
Yep, agreed. I quite frankly hate the game nowadays - it's a sanitised atmosphere, and I'm sure that all-seater stadiums have a lot to do with this. OK, they might be safer, which is a good thing, but let's be honest, the atmosphere is lacking. Nothing like the 1970s/80s.
@@SMSJSC And of course, I agree with you. I still think the same, despite the fact my side have had 7 seasons out of the last 8 in the top flight. We could well be going down this time, though.
Even with all the trophies and successes of recent years in the prem, this 70's era of supporting United is still my favourite time. The whole place was buzzing and it makes old trafford look like a cemetary nowadays. The team had wonderful characters, unlike todays bland, boring people. Its all about money and advertising now im afraid.
11 years on and it's only got worse! Bland and boring. Supporters and team!
It’s the same all over. The terraces were the place where the most vociferous fans gathered and created a hell of an atmosphere. Today’s characterless, no-atmosphere all-seaters have killed it
Best supporters football has ever seen and I can proudly say I was one of them. YES I'd been brought up on Old Firm games in Glasgow but nothing came close to following United, and I mean nothing !!!
well said!
Agree was at a few games at Old Trafford in the Docs time and went to Villa Park for an away game ...
I smell bullshit. Nothing better than the atmosphere at parkhead
@@mrk6105 All opinions mate, and on special occasions Ibrox, Parkhead and Hampden were amazing. I went to Celtic Park from Jinky's testimonial onwards, but back then Celtic averaged under 30k in quite a few seasons. In fact in the greatest season Celtic ever had, they averaged just 31,082.....Fact 👍
The best time ever to follow United. Old Trafford was a cauldron back then and the football was fantastic. None of the tippy yappy possession stuff you get today. So lucky to have been a part of it.
i to started supporting united in the 70's
Huh? You got relegated 🤣
Relegation is part of the game my own Boro got relegated in modern era with flare players having a go, late 90s, it happens even to great teams like United who went down with grace. Respect to Tommy D and some brilliant players it's just the mix that was wrong it happens RIP TD good innings .
It doesn't happen to Arsenal.
First game I went to was v Leeds early '77, United won 1-0 and I still remember the crowd that day, 60,612
I am from Italy but always loved English football: the kind of play, the atmosphere, the stadiums, the crowds etc...but the past was better!!! Now it became a sort of circus, with the players wearing shirts n. 90 or 55 and some teams do not have an english player either in the line-up. A shame. In fact, see how England is reduced, they do not have a good forward either, in the '70s you could just choose among Mariner, Pearson, Latchford, Francis, Bowles...bring back the '70s and '80s, please!
Sad to go down but the United support was something special, they got behind the team even more in the 2nd div. Some of the teams were just not prepared for the invading Red Army which could be 20000 strong and they were fanatical, Manchester United was a religion
Eugene Garvey The support was great, I remember some of the away grounds were tiny... especially Burnley?
SIR Dennis Law brilliant back heel
I remember the last game of the season against blackpool we was lock out couldnt get in the ground about 20,000 was outside going mad memorys brilliant.
I'm no manure fan but the Docs team of the mid 70s was the most exciting club football team I've seen.Played really attractive football.
Looking back now, 1977 was the end of an era. It became clear Leeds were a spent force; United sacked the Doc; Liverpool won the European Cup to show finally that someone else (as well as United) could do it; Keegan left England; and Clough got back to the First Division.
I remember running out on the streets when the second goal for united was scored i went mental
Lol u must be like 50 something
@@unitedkingdom4643 55 so what so funny
L'Danza maria STILE Nah I’m just saying
proper weathered pitch,the best days,football has been controlled by sky,money,ego for years.
That mid to late 70s era of United fans were incredible, like a tidal wave of pure fanaticism not seen since, the only thing that came close was the 70s Tartan Army that descended on Wembley every two years.
Denis Has Done It Priceless..!!!
Loved that team.
Martin Buchan.... what would he be worth now? the man was a legend
dirty prick ended colin bells career
I hated Martin Buchan for breaking City legend knee, even never say sorry or visit him at hospital.
@@swaldron5558are you talking about the tackle on Colin Bell?
Man United going down the same season my beloved Leeds won the title. For a lifelong Leeds fan like me things never really got much better than this. Although the year we nicked the title off them right at the end was pretty special too in 1992. Thank God i was around to enjoy and revel in these times. Of course things are so very different now but i will take these extra special memories with me to my grave
Liverpool winning the F.A. Cup and the Charity Shield, and the mancshite relegated. What a good year that was.
John C shut up virgin look where you’re now championship bottling promotion every season
@@siralexferguson1721 Touched a nerve have we? LEEDS were the first SUPER TEAM Fact!!
Mick super team with no European glory united and Liverpool are the best teams IN
England you melt
@@siralexferguson1721 Learn some history when footballers were footballers Leeds were top for 10 years its wildly acknowledged they were the first Super Team ask any historian of a certain age.
Absolutely fantastic result and outcome.
Pearson, un remarquable joueur.
That kit was superb the one they wore that year
Sacking the doc was the biggest mistake busby made at utd ,it was not a quick leg over, Christ sake the doc is still with her!!!!! We would have won the league under him I'm 100% sure
Totally agree
Won the league? There was not a hope of United toppling Liverpool. Clough did it briefly but he was a top manager. The golfer was a joke. Sir Bob reigned supreme. He was the best end of.
The mentality in those days was really old fashioned when you think of the other affairs within clubs like john terry and wayne bridges, wife ryan giggs and his brothers wife, Branislav Ivanović and the chelsea team doctor eva carniero
Yes but it just happened to be the wife of a colleague. Had it been the wife of someone at any other club, then fine. But TD and Laurie B were colleagues. One had to go. And they could hardly sack Laurie Brown. Losing his wife AND job?? How heartless would that have been? But I do agree that Tommy Doc was the right man for man United. I really felt they were going places. the FA Cup in '77 was just the start.
Thats right. The club should allow clandestine adulterers at the club.
Eight of the team relegated in 1973-74 were still in the team when United were Double contenders until the last few games in 1975-76. In those seasons the defence conceded 48 and 42 goals respectively. United went down in 1974 cos they couldn't score in a proverbial.
Great times to follow united home and away for pennies! Martin Buchan and Sammy Mcilroy knew what’s what and both summed it up well, along with Alex Stepney they were maybe the only ones to survive the clear out and become part of the new rejuvenated ( “Doc’s red army”) United.
Stepney survived because our board (specifically Sir Matt) wasn't willing to pay Shilton's salary. Shilton honestly could be the difference between winning the title in 1976 and not winning it. Alex was a good keeper, but he was not Shilton.
I'm a Liverpool fan, and that Southampton goal was offside.
Just shows that sometimes a big club getting relegated isn't necessarily as bad as it first seems. Man. U. now had the opportunity to rebuild and start again because if truth be told the great Busby teams had aged and were ready to be reborn. We also saw this with a Spurs relegation in 1977 and their subsequent successes in the early 80s.
No you didn't Denis, but it was a big fuckin nail in the rags coffin , loved it.
what is this dvd/documentary called?
David Moyes is the new Dave Sexton
Mou.
Docherty's United were great to watch, and went from strength to strength in 1974-77. They weren't the best side in the old Second Division in 74-75 however, even though they won the title. Aston Villa under their new manager Ron Saunders had a very indifferent first half to their season (won 9, lost 8), but from the New Year onwards they were unstoppable, losing just once more and winning the old Football League Cup at Wembley. They also beat United 2-0 at Villa Park in that spell. Had they got their act together a couple of months earlier, they'd have run away with the title.
I saw Man Utd lose 1-0 at Oldham at the end of December '74. After the game, the Doc was furious at what he saw as the over-competitive approach of the Oldham players, and described them as 'Fourth Division animals', LOL. Good manager at that time though, and always entertaining to listen to.
The atmosphere of United matches during mid 1970's was amazingly frenzy and horny. Compare it to "Theater Of Dreams" boredom.
'Theatre of dreams'? typical pretentious twaddle from the scumcunts. Spunkbucket more like.
DokktorDeth ?? That's the name of the stadium you bellend.
my god the buzz inside old trafford them was never beat come on you reeeeeeeeeds
Terrible decision. What a team that was. They would have gone on to be world beaters.
Tommy Doc bought Gordon Hill. Dave Sexton sold Gordon Hill. That says it all. RIP Tommy!
Spot on! Loved Merlin
The doc the legend
We went from such exciting football under the doc to the boredom of Dave sextons football thank goodness big Ron took over after sexton. I'm not saying Dave was a bad manager just not the right one for us at United
problem was the relationship with doc was at it peak with the fans when he got sscked. had we started to fade away an had poor form it would of been easier for sexton to replce him.
@@redflag8970 that’s true. Very good point. I still think that if the Doc had stayed at United, we would have won the league at some point.
Big Ron was another good manager in the Doc mould - flamboyant with good, exciting teams. Won two FA Cups but couldn't overcome Liverpool in the league.
I can tell it will happen this year how we’re playing
It's going to happen mate
What was score
Jimmy ( head ) Case! What a powerful shot that guy had!
Season 1974-75 must have been a bit of a culture shock for all connected with Manchester United. Just a few years previous, they'd achieved the ultimate club honour, yet in 1974-75, they were league equals with the likes of Bristol Rovers, Cardiff, Orient, Oxford & even York (no disrespect intended to those clubs of course). Still, perhaps a drop in status was what was maybe needed, after several years of decline/the loss of the likes of Best, Charlton & Law, & a chance to re-build. But its fair to say that there was never much doubt that United would make an instant return "upstairs", for they won Div. 2 pretty comfortably, backed by an average home gate of 48,000, while at the same time providing most other Div. 2 clubs in the 74-75 campaign, with their season's best attendance. And in all truth, save for a few mediocre campaigns, United have never really looked back since ....
They should create a documentary about their terrible season, i am one huge fan I just want to know their history
Doubt the doc would have won the league, forest were fantastic in the 77/78 season and Liverpool's 78/79 were one of the best in league history.
a great team
Utd had some corking players in the post Charlton/Law/Best mid 70's - McIlroy,Buchan,Macari,Daly,Pearson,Coppell, Hill and the Greenhoff brothers.
Gordon Hill was not a United player when they were in division 2
Stephen Prince never said he was
Gerry Daly was another really good player that United Let go too soon. can't remember if it was The Doc or Dave Sexton who transferred him.
I think the Doc was right,..Stokes was a fraction offside.
Nice video, many thanks. I am not a United fan, but just fascinated by this part of their history. Do you have the next part covering Dave Sexton's time please?
The Doc did not deserve that...those 1970´s old fashioned ideas lost Man Utd maybe 10 years
Loved watching Dochertys team. 10 times more exiting than Ferguson’s .
In a way I will agree I followed United from Sept 1975 and been a supporter since, it's now 2020, Doc's Reds were something special, the difference between that team and Fergie's team is Sir Alex's teams had a dominant midfield, that's one of the reasons we WON Championships........
Totally agree! Dont get the credit they deserve! Gordon Hill still my favourite to this day! UTID
@@acook6691 : Snap. Gordon Hill was magical to watch 💥
@@pisceansith6915 we? What position did you play?
@@steveluckhurst2350 When I said WE, I meant the team and the amazing fan base United had.....and still do......
Wow, Listen to the atmosphere the crowd etc.... And look at football now 🤮☹️🤬🦐
6:38 Dave Sexton seemed like a good choice - very successful at Chelsea and QPR - but it didn't work. Maybe, with those other teams, he was lucky to have an array of talent: Peter Osgood, Alan Hudson, Charlie Cooke, Stan Bowles, Gerry Francis etc.
What! You don't think late 70s United had good players???
United United division two
United division two
A huge mistake from Man Utd....trapped them in years of oblivion
Oxford beat you 1-0 at the Manor ground that year and I was there - Dereck Clark scored and it was shown on Match of the day nut i cant find any footage !1 COYY
Funny they don't mention Bristol City did the double over them that season.
So what? It didn't put Bristol City into the First Division did it?
No one really cares that Derby did the double over Arsenal in 1988-89 either.
They just beat Unites loool
Dennis Law undid all the good he did for us by relegating us - hence his petulance at the start of this video
Glory Glory MU
He didn't-Birmingham beat Norwich on the same day which meant that even if United had won that game and their last of the season against Stoke, they'd still have gone down. What a pro Law was, he probably didn't want to play in the game in the first place and scoring that goal would have eaten him up inside, but he still did his job. Respect.
well said Couzens-Lake Media. Don't be taken in by the post by poutsa 1974 though.He's not a Manchester United fan, he's a WUM. Probably a scouser or scummer.
That goal really hurt Denis you could see that by his reaction
@@mrkipling2201 didn't celebrate and never kicked a ball again! IMO will always be a Utd legend
@@acook6691 absolutely!! Born is the king of the Stretford end!!
Lou Macari was the type of poison dwarf that the Sots seems to do so well
+MrAlwaysBlue Sots? Keep talking about the Reds, it's flattering! ;)
+BertAtkin Sorry - Scots
+mcbrando Very eloquent. Billy Bremner, Lou Macari, Archie Gemmel, Gerry Gow, Gordon Strachan. I rest my case..
I will apologize for the Profanity if you accept that Franny Lee was the King of all Poison Dwarfs! He Was Diving for Penalties long before any foreigner brought that shite to our game......
Agreed. Colin Bell doesn't speak to him any more after his behaviour as chairman of City.
Trust Tyldesley to narrate it...
You helped though
RIP dave sexton
No Man City's and Leeds was every bit as many. To the size of the ground. If they was that good why was they down in the first place. THEY HAD BIG SYMPATHY FROM MUNICH OTHERWISE IT BE DIFFERENT.
What a shame that those lads didn't get the financial rewards lavished on today's walking tattoo exhibitions. Today's players aren't fit to clean the boots of those who came before.
stepney moved more like albert steptoe
Stokes was a mile offside!!!
Not sure, it looked like that at first glance but he's about level with Buchan when he hit his shot.
@@SMSJSC I cannot agree with you buddy as I'm a man u fan..lol 🤣
MANCHESTER IS BLUE
Manchester United were great to watch the same as Alex Ferguson days now Jose Mourinho want's to win by playing boring football.
5:52.
Who's up Mary Brown
Who's up Mary Brown
Tommy Tommy Docherty
Tommy Tommy Docherty
Who licks Mary out
Who licks Mary out
Tommy Tommy Docherty
Tommy Tommy Docherty
They needed Harry Maguire
When football was really good and im not a united fan !!!!
2019-20 they will be relegated again
Want to put some money on that ?
dick
united!! united!! united!!
Offside your balls the nearest player played him onside
Despite not winning the title at all in the 70s, getting relegated, going through 4 managers with a controversial sacking United remained the biggest club in the country.
that is false
The Southampton goal was not offside.
I remember them coming down to Pompey, never seen so many fans shit themselves as Man U did that day when Pompey ran them all over the place.
Sad to say those were the days of football violence, and I guess man U had trouble at every away game as fans wanted to prove how hard they were.
Aye, so you did....pmsl
Paul woolerton just like you lot did when you came to manc 657what a load of shit
I know..the Red Army got slaughtered at Millwall..they were sprinting up the ''down'' escalators at tube stations
to flee the fist and boot! Going off every where, sheer mayhem!
Went down in folklore!
Another jackanory
Hurry up mummy’s calling you
@@lennylaa1686
Another cockney bullshitter
The furthest you lot ever got was Luton
Another myth
Tinpot club
Imagine calling Manchester United a tinpot club wtf lmaoo. We can only laugh at this comment.😂