Retracing Allen Iverson’s Rollercoaster NBA Career | Bill Simmons’s Book of Basketball 2.0
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- Bill Simmons and J.A. Adande, who covered Allen Iverson when he was at Georgetown, go through the entirety of Iverson’s career to dissect his Hall of Fame resume, what’s aged the best about his career, what’s aged the worst, and determining where he ranks all time.
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Here is an example of how influence Iverson had,not just in the USA but world wide. I'm from Slovenia,a small country in the center of europe. And I still remember when my neighbour who never played basketball,never watched basketball went out and got himself an Iverson jersey and on top of that he rocked cornrows just like IA. That's how big this guy was. In a small village in a small european country,a white teenager wanted to be like Iverson.
From Slovenia eh? As a Dallas resident and a lifelong Mavericks diehard, I have to thank you guys for Luka Doncic!
@@thespiralgoeson thank also Serbs and the Spaniards
That’s dope
cringe
@@earam88Booo! What a loser thing to say. Save the cringe shit for The Office and TikTok.
Everybody wanted to Crossover when Iverson came in just like how kids today want to shoot the 3 like Curry he was Iconic!
I remember that
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The clip of AI crossing up MJ is easily a top 5 moment in my memory of being a young fan. “Michael says no, Allen says yes!!” Like everyone, I loved watching MJ mess guys up in highlights, so seeing a 6’0 (more like 5’10) young guy like Iverson go after MJ and get a highlight on the GOAT...still love watching it all these years later.
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Growing up when Iverson was in the NBA I don’t think there is a more iconic player. He made all sorts of things popular, headbands, sleeves, finger sleeves, jewellery, plus he was on almost every 2k cover it seemed.
There wasn't, he was the icon of the league at that time. He was bigger than Kobe, Shaq, Tim, tmac, whoever
@@thertisan3440 exactly, he changed the trajectory of the game. He made it okay for short guys to score. With no allen iverson the modern game would not be what it is.
@@pinkship completely agree. Not only did the style of play change forever. The culture has changed forever. And I love it
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The Answer rocking the Grey Hoyas uni with the Concord 11s was 🔥🔥🔥
That and the 97 Arizona with the original Foamposites
@@elbowgang9715 Bibby
This was a great interview. A lot of insights from JA, personal and a lot of human touch. Thanks Bill.
More content like this. This was a real treat,
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AI and Melo on the Nuggets was one of the most fun 2K teams I've ever played with. AI was just a show. Every night hed do something amazing.
A young JR and Kenyon Martin that was a squad
@@dbsuper2928Nene too I think
during MJ's bulls era, there were a few players that passed or almost passed MJ in "popularity" amongst the youth, one was AI, the other was Penny.
I am old enough that I watched Iverson in his prime and while I wasn't a big fan I have to defend him. Yes he was a volume guy, low efficiency but look at those Philly rosters. AI had to take those shots. He was their only scorer, shot creator, play maker for years. At their peak they had great defensive role players around Allen but no one with any substantial offensive skill. The fact that he was able to get the Sixers to the finals was a testament to his heart, toughness and skill. He was warrior.
@Xavier McDaniel not on that finals team. They did have Mutumbo who'd give you 12 a game but was never a guy you could give the ball to in the post and have him go one on one and score. And their other offensive option with Aaron McKie. Mind blowing.
@Xavier McDaniel 😂😂 yeah and jordan could have won 3-4 without pippen right?
In my opinion, Prime Iverson had no interest in sharing the offensive load with somebody else. He loved how it was setup for him similar to Harden in Houston. If they put another All Star scorer on his team they was going to clash.
J.A Adande is and always will be a must on podcast. And as a South Jersey native, A.I. was our 6ft' Jordan in this area.
Book of Basketball 2.0 is BACK! Great news. Looking forward to the next episodes.
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As a German its realy hard to ever see one of your favourite Players live at all...so i will never forget when Team USA played in Cologne against Italy in a pre Olympic Game.....Iverson dunked twice...USA we're horrible and lost but i will never forget this...
I was at this game too ! Only time i saw A.I in real life, couldn't take my eyes off from him. Wished i could have went to the other game against Germany where he hit the buzzer beater.
@@jeremymespoulede8074 i envy both of you guys;-)
As a munich resident, i missed those games. But i happened to meet Pippen, Sir Charles and the Admiral in 93`at the McDonalds Open in Munich. Since Pippen being my fav player, that was pretty nice aswell. And one year later MJ was in town, for promotion. But i would have loved to see A.I. live..
German here as well. From dirks town in Unterfranken. 😅 It is so disgraceful to see that basketball gods from back in the day going broke, as soon as basketball was over for them. AI is so lucky, that he has that 1Mio lifetime deal ...otherwise he would be on the streets.
I graduated high-school in 2001. Every 6' kid playing ball in the US at that time idolized AI.
That was amazing. Iverson is by far the most influential player for the culture the NBA has had even to this day. To see him play was incredible and amazing since he was only 5’10’’. On the re-draftables, I commented that I would take Iverson over Nash and everyone else not named Kobe. J.A. had it right by calling Iverson mesmerizing.
Dr. J is probably the only one I could maybe see over AI in terms of the culture, and that was in a time where ABA games werent even televised. When he came into the NBA he was immediately the face of the league, even though Kareem had dominated the entire decade, almost like with Iverson and MJ/Kobe
Unquestionably my favorite player growing up. There's none other like Chuck 👍
93’ Iverson and Peyton Manning were the top 2 Recruits in Country.
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Hell of a class.
Wattba
Peyton played football and allen did to are you talking about football because i read allen was also like top five in basketball one of the reason he ended up at is because most of the other schools backed off after they railroaded him some say if the whole bowling. Alley thing didn't happen he never would of went to Georgetown what do you think
@@phillipfrantone4506 for Footbal he was a top recruit along w/ Peyton Manning. He mentioned that he was going to commit to Norte Dame Fighting Irish. As for Basketball he was also a top 5 recruit
A.I immediately became my fav player when he entered the league. To see a little guy ripping players apart was a sight to behold. It took years for him to get respect from the media & old heads but he was a joy to watch. Still rock the Reebok Questions!
Are you 30-33 years old? Cause same.
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I was smiling from beginning to end. There will never be another Allen Iverson
As someone who grew up right by that bowling alley and ended up moving close to that jail, crazy stuff man. I'll always be an Iverson stan
As MJ said about Iverson: "I love that little guy"
This is probably the best podcast coming from the ringer I’ve heard in years
Great job pointing out Iverson's impact. Loved the pod. Wished you guys would've mentioned along with bringing in the tattoo's but also making the shooting sleeve popular.
Love the direction you are taking this Bill.
Iverson is in my top 3 favorite players all time. When I was a kid I simply loved watching this guy. I was basically the same size as him, so to watch what he was doing in the NBA was surreal. He was a force of nature that just HAD to be watched and appreciated.
One of the best episodes in a long time..Adande should be a regular guest..
ALLEN IVERSON WAS MY HERO GROWING UP. CULTURAL ICON. IT AINT ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT ITS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG.
Glad they pointed out those mid 00s yrs. Lots of attention is given to 01 but you look at 05-08 when he had some of the scoring burden lifted, he was shooting above league average on super high volume while maturing into a great playmaker
Had some great assist years too the problem is all that help showed up when he was starting to slow down. His body took a beating over the years.
I remember looking up some NBA Action Top 10 highlight reels.
I saw a few AI to AI passes “Iverson to Andre Iguodala”
Great pod. I'll listen to several hours of these dudes talking all things A.I
This was a great interview. A lot of insights from JA, personal and a lot of human touch. Thanks Bill.
Crossover was iconic......I love the commercial and the shoes ....the answer 🔥🔥🔥
AI’s impact is greater than his on court ability, same with Kobe. Both of those guys are top 5 as far as impact on fans and the following generations. Listen to how current players worship those guys. Those Jerseys are still everywhere.
Truth and Good Vibes. Can't beat it. Bill is going to come up with 10 reasons to have Adande on.
Always loved J.A.!! I could listen to Iverson content all day
AI was one of the most fun guys to watch of all-time and a great player. Incredible when he carried that Sixers team to the Finals
The podcast version is a bit better than this because of the edits they put in of some of the actual conversations (like Iverson to Lebron) that they're referencing. Book of Basketball 2.0 on Spotify. Great Listen.
I'm from philly and I'm 33 and boy do I tell you Allen iverson was our Michael Jordan!!! Corn rolls, tattoos, and baggy cloths, drags and headbands!!!
Loved AI. Didn't know a lot of this background. Makes me admire him more to be honest.
Great insight to AI’s career, and love the untold stories from Adande. Disappointed they made zero mention of the years he played with Melo
Hey what up mr Simmons? What's up with Jackie macmullan podcasts? We need more of that please 🙏🙏
Authentic ,candid and real .....iverson defies all odds at his size
Iverson was not finished when he was basically black balled out the league.
Just like they told us Melo was done, if he never got back in the league, everyone would have said the same.
Iverson was not done and simply nobody wanted him for whatever reason. If they found him the right home he could have easily carried on, despite losing a step or two.
💯💯💯💯 Been saying the same thing for years
I’d take prime playoff AI over harden and west brick anyday
AI overrated ass .
The
Facts
Russ had a better career than ai
I would like to watch them talk about basketball throughout the year. This needs to be a once a week show.
Damn what an amazing combo.
Iverson was a great player, but the NBA has had a lot of great players.
Not many players have changed the league and he did.
Allen Iverson is one of my favorite basketball players but I still wonder what kind of football player he could've been!
There’s a really good soccer counterpart to the “Practice” rant. Alvaro Recoba - extremely talented but equally lazy Uruguayan striker. Made his Inter debut in the same game as R9 and outshone him. “it’s like when you are at school and you like some classes more than others, the class I like the least is training”
He was truly the answer
AI was great because of his imperfection. He taught an entire generation of fans to just be themselves because it’s the best thing you can be.
Everyone was trying to do the Iverson crossover. He changed the whole culture of basketball with the cornrows and the tattoos.
Allen Iverson is my favorite NBA player of all time
The perfect player:
LeBron’s physical attributes and dedication to health and conditioning
Curry’s shooting stroke
Magic’s vision
Russell’s in-game intensity
Kyrie’s handles
Kobe’s training ethic
Iverson’s balls
22:13 agreed! 100% People really sleep on that season of AI✔🏀
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I have to say people shit on his 2001 supporting cast a lot but they were perfect for what he needed and they were depleted with injuries, the major issue was they weren't used to double teams and SHAQ ripped them to shreds. They just weren't used to doing it and it showed. Not saying they were great but they fit him perfectly and would have loved to see them 100 percent for that series
96' =
Iverson = ROY, MVP
Kobe = MVP, Champ 5x,
Nash = MVP 2x
Camby = DMVP
Ben Wallace = 4 DMVP, Champ, All Star
Pedrag = 3pt Champ, All Star
Ray Allen = 3pt Champ, All Star, Champ
A. Walker = All Star, Champ
Marbury = All Star
Shareef = 20-10, All Star
Big Z = All Star
Fisher = Champ 5x
Closest to that is 84'
03' Far 3rd
Agreed,
03 class wasn’t too far top 4 might take the top 4 of 96 class in talent but also wat bout peja? Jermaine O’neal? Kerry k? 03 class was deeper with solid careers as well
it was Camby on UMASS right?
The 2000-01 Sixers were a very good team. They were 41-14 at one point.
@phillyslasher They were, but they cooled off majorly after the Mutombo trade. Battling a shitload of injuries. They went 15-12 the last third of the season. They barely made it by the Bucks that playoff run.
As an Iverson SUPER FAN ima give this video 3 strikes of disrespect before I turn it off. If they don’t respect AI as one of the greatest 2 guards ever im turning it off for sure.
Wasn’t Marcus Camby on that 95 UMASS team?
Yes
great recommendation on AI + Steven A. AI called the Lebron Hate b4 it happened.
I think the case against him is his ego. The thing we love about him is also what held him back. He couldn't make himself part of something greater. The 04 Pistons could do that with Larry Brown. Jordan could do it with Phil Jackson but not with Doug Collins.
He is in my top 5
They mention Kobe and how people loved his older self, but maybe they aren’t aware that he was insanely popular when he was young Frobe too. Kobe outdid Shaq on jersey sales and was the top selling jersey for some years. Kobe had his own swagger.
I can vouch that he had a global impact because I went to his basketball camp as a young teen in 2015 and saw many people from around the world, especially from China.
Philly didn't overpay kyle korver. he played 2 years on a rookie contract (less than a million each year) then got 2 years 7.6 million that's a steal. he took 7 threes a game his second season too. lights out he deserved it, i heard him talking about AI and how since kyle was basically the only shooter on the team besides ai, he's the only guy ai gonna pass to so he started buddying up to kyle it was funny. He also talked about how he encouraged him to keep shooting and it gave him confidence in his shot and helped his longevity.
Wore out my Answer Vs in middle school
AI had the 6th man of the year and DPOY that season too!
Number one of all time for Charles Barkley
JA a Legend!!!
Iverson is no.1 in that draft at any and all times, no matter if a redraft, that isnt going to change
Naw Peak Stephen A is from 2013 to the Lamar Odom/Phil Jackson Knicks rant in 2016
Iverson said practice 15 and a half times actually
58:45 I dont know what to think but after hearing that Bill still doesn't think mj was suspended? Why?
Do you really think that David Stern would suspend his best player, the face of the league? That would be a giant pr nightmare. Stern wasn't a dummy.
why should anyone believe that nonsense.
Possible reasons? Gambling on nba games. Not paying mobsters back. Plenty of talks about all this since the 90s. Bill is lying for views or telling the truth and doesn't believe what Stern said (the way stern said it at least). And why would anyone believe that a Goat in a sport, in his prime, would quit when winning was the most important thing to him. Also another possibility of sterns reasoning....no punishment=issue getting leaked. Give punishment and camouflage it would keep the money rolling in. Mj scandal would've killed the league and *everyone's* money whether he was punished or not. Was Stern lying? Was Bill? I dont know but don't say never when you don't know shit
He was the 1st with the shooting sleeve
We have an Iverson Park where live. Best park in the city. Coincidence?
Iverson a GOAT
we're talking about practice
Peed in the plant story is true I was working in my dads store in Atlantic City and one time he comes into our store videoland with two guys that go in the porn section lol A.I. Just picked 3 movies one of them being the outsiders my dad didn’t even believe it was him until people ran in saying to u see iverson his Bentley right there crazy funny got to love dude just went hard always
Tiny Archibald may have been the first zero guard Bill when he led the NBA in scoring and assists. You could also argue Oscar too.
Iverson....is a Champion
Those prison games must have benn something
Ai Top 20 all time to me
Not even close
You can’t bring up sixers getting favorable calls in the bucks series without bringing up all the horrible officiating against him. Donaghy always discusses how him and his ref friends wouldn’t give him calls in order t influence games for gambling and because they didn’t like him. He was one of the players most negatively impacted by those crooked refs from that era.
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Yep that's why the Sixers were always bounced early in the postseason or missed the playoffs altogether because the league blackballed AI3
Ain’t take bill 15 min to compare whoever they talking about to a great Celtic
You caught that, 😆
Imagine if Allen was on the Celtics or Lakers? Even maybe the Spurs? His stubbornness lost him chances for rings. He could have been amazing player off the bench for a team but he just couldn’t do it. I do love how he stayed true to himself and that’s why I love the man! NBA did him dirty but I hope Allen has no regrets.
I'm an Iverson fan and I prefer him over Harden, but he did have Larry Brown who is a legendary hard ass tough coach so I dont think another franchise per se would have made a difference in that regard
Body broke down by that time
@Slick Talk that is some of the biggets bs i've ever heard. So you completely ignore the facts that melo was suspended when iverson got there, that key players like martin and camby just came back from injuries and in fact nene never really was healthy during iverson's time in denver? Iverson did help the nuggets to take the next step and when billups arrived he saw a stacked table in front of him. And guess what that was because of allen iverson!
@Slick Talk i dont know ball? I've played 15 years of organized ball at a semi pro level and i've been watching the nba for over 20 years now, what about you?
Really stackhouse is your reference? Lmfao that dude didnt even get along with mj so maybe it was stackhouse who was the problem...
What is this guy saying at this point, at the end there?
"I dont want iverson on my team i dont want Iverson if i need to win a game, i just want iverson in the league so that means he should be ranked higher than 46 to me ."
...what? What u talking about man?
In my Westbrook voice.
I thought the SAME thing! Haha. You hear emotional list critiques like that often. He said all those players deserve to be above but the number 46 is wrong when it gets more obvious from there haha.
Carmelo Travieso and Edgar Padilla!!!!
CARMELO TRAVIESO!! Blast from the past! lol
They made it like it was some kind of black fans loved iverson and white fans hated iverson thing, which is total BS
How was dennis rodman not himself
Simmons is exploiting Iverson and J.A. is a true fan. Simmons doesn't know basketball well enough to have a reliable eye test.
Chances are if iv3 shot 10,000 3s a day he wouldn't have that as refined of driving ability. Old heads keep that in mind when comparing players from different eras*
RW must be below AI
Simmons calling Bill Russel one of the most authentic players in basketball lol, dude always has to talk about the Celtics even if it makes no sense to the pod.
I'm surprised he didn't go with Larry Bird.
The fact that he didn’t mention Kareem was laughable.
@@RJ_873 obvious bias is obvious (and Bill literally mentioned Kobe 5 seconds earlier and didn't even bring him back even though if anything, he was one of the most honest and authentic people on and off the court).
Eh I honestly like the fact that he talks about Boston the way he does. Makes it feel like an honest conversation from a fan
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Wow woke up to dream pod A.I. Forever wont be never nobody like him
A.I 47 off all time? Cmmon,,. Thats the answer.
The problem with AI is he did more for the culture for the NBA than the actual game itself. His existence in the league is incredibly important, what he did for opening up the image of the NBA to more than what a white person would hope a player was like. But at the same time, if a clone of Iverson existed today and had the exact same style of play and career, just with no cultural significance, he wouldn't be anywhere near the same level of reverence.
So you can't really rank him in the same way as everyone else.
Putting up 27/4/6 over 14 seasons with 11 All Star appearances and a League MVP is more than pretty good obviously but no titles immediately drops you into Karl Malone territory and nobody is making podcasts about how the Mailman's career should be reassessed more positively.
U sound like a hater
Bill please hire J.A. Adande for The Ringer. He's such a great writer and fountain of knowledge and he's wasted on the mothership.
Bill don't try to show this fake love to Iverson now. You picked Ray Allen and Steve Nash over him in the '96 redraft
Everyone loved Iverson but he wasn't a team player. Look up hero ball in the dictionary and there's a picture of him. If you are a GM and you are trying to win a ring you're better off with Allen of Nash. AI was never going to be the best player on a championship team.
Not just that all my Celtics friends weren’t iverson fans at all. They had Pierce. There were 1-2 big sixers Celtics playoff series that caused animosity. so I think Bill is being a little disingenuous with his lack of iverson hate here
Picking Ray Allen and Steve Nash doesn't mean he doesn't love Iverson. I LOVED Iverson growing up, still do, and I would probably pick Nash and Allen. All of those loving quotes at the beginning of the pod? Those are from a book that Bill wrote over a decade ago. No "fake love," and certainly not "now."
I never heard someone go on so much about someone so irrationally. Bill loves Iverson even though he was a mediocre player.
Did u just say mediocre?
@@bodeezy78 He didn't win anything in his career. People mention 2001 but look at his stats, got buoyed by a great D. Bucks were better...
@@pointynobb5498 he was that team’s entire offense that year. Stats will tell a bad story. Just look at the minutes he played and know that he was going 110% the entire time. Just relentless.
You ve talked all that time and 47?Are you kiddin me.Where is Kevin O'connor.