JUNGLE vs. DNB vs. BREAKCORE
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2023
- You have been asking, so for the next installment on my favorite genre in the world, I thought I’d talk about how we got to where we are today - with a quick scenic tour of the early days of rave and hardcore. 🖤🖤
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I like the drastic change from sewerslvt being the "breakcore"
Minutes algo i discovered her and now i am listening goreship - fine night
She's is the most famous i belive
@@ruanmorais5288 the issue with that is that sewerslvt doesn't make much, if any (haven't looked at their full catalogue), breakcore
All of these sound like jungle to me, but the last one definitely is NOT breakcore
sewerslvt is a dude and if you don’t think u-ziq is breakcore you need to delight yourself with Venetian snares and shitmat
"We can't accept Drum & Bass, we need Jungle, I'm afraid"
Just as a friendly critique: could be mentioned that breackore was also about being as crazy and brutal as possible in 2000s (thanks to producers like Rotator, Bong-Ra, FFF, Stazma and a lot more)
AKA Cringecore.
@@ForgedEggsit is subgenre of the metalcore
I actually love the direction 'breakcore' is going. The breakcore artists in the 2000s like Ebola and Sh**mat were a bit much for me and I had to take breaks in between listens, lol. Kid606 was the closest to achieving the breakcore that I was looking for, but I'm pretty picky, and like my breakcore to sit somewhere between ragga, jungle, and ambient dnb when I could find that. And we pretty much have that, except instead of the ragga we have anime lol. Somehow they have also settled on a wall of distortion that sits in the background with the ambient drones and it goes really well with the style.
venetian snares. nuff said
@@procerus3654 Decided to leave out since almost everyone knows him anyway
one thing for sure is that the breakbeats were what united all of us ♥️
Amen brother
Amen! 🙌
When you miss your exit at Autechre Street and you have to walk all the way home from the Venetian Snares.
Better than getting stuck in Winnipeg
Breakbeat hardcore + some jungle on the side is still the goat
Breakcore is what my earliest work from around 20 years ago focused on. But I have been recently getting back into writing this and breakbeat IDM / Drill and bass type stuff. A bit surprised Venetian Snares wasn't your breakcore reference. His song Hand Throw, is one of my favorites. Its pure insanity. U-ZIQ is a serious bad ass though. His album Lunatic Harness is an essential classic
all of the choclate wheelchair album is soi good
I still didn't quite understand the way you tried to distinguish jungle and drum and bass.
I simply say that jungle has more of a calm vibe, and earlier it had many soul, reggae and hip hop influences, then DNB is much more "futuristic", it has more synthesized drum breaks and has powerful bass lines (as the name suggets duh) i don't know, no one really knows the exact difference
I think an easy to distinguish is just how complex the drum patterns are. Jungle seems to way more emphasis on crazy drum loops where as dnb is usually more moody and focuses on the bass way more.
jungle has intricate chops at a somewhat moderate tempo, while DNB has only a consistent drum loops with little break splicing, while also focusing on the atmosphere, tone, and bass.
@@NewtinedThx for that explanation. Now it makes more sense.
Jungle is distinguished by the tribal beats...which is why i laughed that the "this is D n b" example was clearly jungle...LOL...but whatever...im not gonna be a dick about it
DnB is more focused on the melody, not the breakbeats. And ordinary DnB songs have a drum pattern that is easy to recognize
I'm so glad I was introduced to the wonderful genre/subgenre that is DnB... I've even been inspired to start making and uploading my own DnB!
Same bro, idk how to get started with mixing and stuff tho
Thank you so much for this- am looking to do some cross-genre exploration and this was really helpful :)
nice video
i enjoyed watching it, as i am a big fan of everything that's related to drum and bass
Best music recommendation channel even after the sin of mentioning sewerslvt alongside the genre of breakcore
Haha, I know. I did that to pander, not to platform. The Gen z kiddies on tiktok for years have been commenting “sewerslvt!!” any time I dip into dnb :)
@@ChrisMichael Jokes aside it's an understandable move
Shit like this is why I don't seek out new music anymore
Tell us about Aphex Twin. That'll be fun.
😁 Thank You
30 years later, I'm still Jungle, D'n'B fan ✌️
really loved that you included "torn" as an example of jungle. i love that track a lot!
Torn by who?
@@misanthrope5063 Omni Trio
@@laienmalowa4371 damn I didn't know about that track but I knew about Omni trio. Thanks for replying so fast.
@@misanthrope5063 yeah, no problem!
Ha, so much better than the other attempts to explain this. Thanks!
Someone finally managed to sum everything into a concise 2 min video
thank you!!!!
This was perfect
Breakcore has so much nostalgia to me because it was used in most ps2 games
Finally someone who actually knows their shit lol seen so many videos where people have no idea what they’re talking about 🤣
I love all 3 of them
omg im a huge OPUS III fan!!!!! Can't believe someone else is talking about them finally
Thanks
I NEED THAT JUNGLE WENDY’S SHIRT OMFG
Adding these songs to my music 🔥🔥🔥
This music used to be the soul of video games. I love this guy.
Big up big up. JUNGLE IS MASSIVE!!!
one you forgot to mention which is a more jungle-esque genre of jungle is "intelligent drum n bass", a more calm, spacey sounding version of drum n bass/jungle which was popularized by video games like street fighter: 3rd strike or games alike, it was very popular in videogames in the 90s and 00's
Nice video.
nice explanation, thanks, whats the song that plays when you start showing jungle?
Man, i still love Jungle yeah 🔥🔥🎧🎶
(JUNGLE WILL NEVER DIE)
this helps solves the whole breakcore and dnb argument
not really he included a dnb song for the breakcore example lmao
more vids bro ..do some about trap the edm version
subscribed
I WISH ALL GENRE LESSONS ARE LIKE THIS
Crazy comparison but Now I understand
Jungle and DnB are fire
Hardvapour is Alive! 🤘🏻🌅
What is the first tune called
OH HEY 👋 HELL NAW
To me, personally, DnB is the gateway, the most similar to any other "normal" song. It has the melody and probably some vocals; the drums are a big part, but they don't make the song on their own. Whereas in Jungle, the drums ARE the melody. There is some other stuff going on, but they're not the main thing.
Breakcore is like either, but faster and on drugs. At least the recent zoomer breakcore. I still enjoy it, though.
if jungle came first then I would Summerize like this...drum and bass is a sub genre of jungle and jungle is a subgenre of electronic music? 41 yrs old and been into electronic music of all kinds of genres since mid 90's (as a young mid-level teen 😂). as far as U-zic ....is that even what you said..... that reminds me so much of a particular pioneer of sorts from back in the day.... the one and only Aphex twin. I fell deep in love with his vibe back in early early 2000. that kind of ALL over the place breaks and as you say glitches
Drum and bass is a modernized version of jungle.
Mu ziq and aphex twin go way back and even released an album together called 'Mick and rich'. Total contemporaries. 😊
That first track is pretty pure jungle
Quite a bit of the stuff you called dnb I would say is jungle. Dnb generally has a more standardised beat
YES! RISE DRILL N BASS ENJOYERS
All I wanna know is where I can get that shirt
I am none the wiser.
100%
since youre pretty much a genius on this, what type of dnb is tokyopill etherial, because im into breackcore and thats what i think it is
Glitchbreak or chill breakcore, Tkyopill is very multigenre tbh
Atmospheric DnB
Old skoll dnb and jungle is where its at
FEEL THE GLITCH!
okay but what about the whole 90s Berlin breakcore/digital hardcore stuff?
Whats the last song?
"a few drum loops" laughs in amen break
We are returning to the matrix
You used a jungle track for your breakbeat hardcore reference. A jungle track for your jungle reference. A jungle track for your dnb reference and used a breakcore for your breakcore reference. A classic actual breakbeat hardcore track is “Awesome 3 - don’t go. And a classic dnb track would be Ram Trilogy - Human Future
Nah the breakbeat hardcore example was breakbeat hardcore. Dnb example was wrong though. He didnt use a breakcore song for his breakcore however. Sewerslvt - mr kill myself was Atmospheric Dnb.
you had me upset at sewerslvt for breakcore, but pulling out squarepusher AND µ-ziq redeemed yourself
Haha, thanks. I threw sewerslvt in there to appease the tiktok kiddies wanting breakcore representation, but my heart will always be squarepusher and µ-ziq :)
and u-ziq is drill n bass lmao
@@thegoofycoil id argue a couple his tracks nestle somewhere into breakcore
@@taggerung_ yeah true
I’d never refer to Squarepusher as breakcore, but he absolutely helped define what became breakcore so… yeah. I guess.
Nice Video! but What's IDM?
I made a video about just that a little while back!
@@ChrisMichael i found it xd
Is this david harbor ?
0:26 Nombre de la musica
PLLSSS, do one of new jazz and relatable music.
I think we've reached a stage where basically each individual track is it's own genre.
Waaaaay too many genres IMHO.
Kiljoy is massive
Sewersvlt is jungle tho
they all still sound almost the same to me
breakcore is a direct derivative from breakbeat hardcore. term was made by alec empire in early 90s.
I'm just getting into the world of DNB, jungle, and breakcore. Would you say jungle brings a more laid-back vibe compared to the energetic pace of DNB?
No, rather the other way around. It's about structure. A lot of DnB is very chill, dnb has some of the comfiest comatose subgenres, DnB has produced a monumental library of the most chill happy music in recent decades. Search youtube "Chill drum n bass" "Ambient drum n bass" "intelligent drum n bass" "liquid drum n bass" (liquid is often misused in the past decade, liquid funk can be very upbeat)
Some examples of chill dnb tracks from an old chill playlist I'm listening to now:
Calibre (is a legend Drum n bass artist, some of his tracks: past imperfect future tense, Don't Mind, Even If, Trying to Remember)
Tokyo Prose - All You Want
Bcee & Lomax - Changing Faces
Johnny L - I Let U
Mark System - The Diver's Dream
Adam Form - Down Inside (Subterra & Dekko Remix)
Bop - Blurred Memories
Greeley & Lomax - Can't Wait 4 U
Peyo & Cloud Nine - That's what you do to me
Redeyes - Behind Closed Doors
Mutt - Conversations
Mutt - Thinking
Sci Phi - Luxor Sands
Atlantic Connection - Rocksteady
Solar - Exploration
ATP - Be Mine
Laos - Hold On
Chris SU - Solaris
Alix Perez - All Alone
Alix Perez - Contradictions
Duo Infernale - Feeling Blue
Shapeshifter - One
Easy - After Dark
Hosta - I'm Losing You
Mutated Forms - Pessimist
Command Strange - Morning Noon and Night
BCee - Count the Stars (Hybrid Minds Remix)
Dekota - Never run away
Merce - Memories
Seba - Crockett (Seba another big dnb artist, look up some Seba mixes)
Seba - Snow
'Current Value - Stay Up' and 'Machine Code - Elephant' are also DnB
Truth be told that Drum n Bass is not a genre but is a broad term for a type of music originates from the UK. You can talk about Drum and Bass as a thing for talking about its development, but don't mind anyone talking about it as a genre, it's a type of music that's far more broad than even House. It's recognised by that it's very focused on a lot of drums and a lot of bass, and there is that similarity between any type of Drum n Bass of it's easy to like all sorts of Drum n Bass because what you like is those banging drums with those juicy basslines in any form and genre of dnb suits mood. When you're familiar with all sorts of Drum n Bass then when you listen to some type of House it's a very different thing and stands out very strongly in not being Drum and Bass. If DnB is a person they can be angry, sad, chill, happy, but it's them, and House is a different person.
Though subgenres of DnB mix into all sorts of things, like there's very trance type of DnB such as
John B - Remember Tonight
John B - Red Sky (Subsonik remix)
Subsonik - Staring at Infinity
It's still just distinctly Drum n Bass.
The thing about Jungle is that commonly in the 00s Jungle had simply become an old term for Drum n Bass. Drum n Bass to most people was just the 00s name for what was known as Jungle in the 90s, most people if they heard Jungle they'll just know it as Drum n Bass or Old Skool Drum n Bass. The real difference is that Jungle originated out of influences of Dancehall, Reggae, Dub etc, it had that west indian influence, and Drum n Bass was it orientating to having a focus on a Hip Hop, Funk, Jazz, Bass, Trance etc influence.
Jungle carried on focusing on those very 90s sounds and elements, and that leads into Jungle asserting itself as own thing with revival in it, so in recent years the distinction has become relevant. It's clearer today than it was for most of the past. If you look up scene from film 'Human Traffic' Jungle Record Store Scene, the Junglists come in and they ask for Jungle and the character working the record store puts on Aphrodite - Stalker, but today that's a seminal drum n bass track lol.
Drum n Bass in the late 00s and early 10s became very mainstream and produced a lot of poppy music and that killed it a bit, it changed it a lot, like a pressure that it seemed a differnet done thing and a lot of people were put off it, dnb heads getting older in the 10s and meanwhile kids listening to some crappy pop music 'drum n bass', dnb felt like a thing from the past a bit the whole thing gets mixed up where 'drum n bass' is suddenly a lot of really crap music.
But suddenly lots of people are interested in this stuff - from before the bad stuff - which had felt like it was done with. In my mind the book of dnb was closed in the 10s that it belonged to a generation and it sold out and became pop music, and it would be forgotten. But no. Like a resurrection people are interested in dnb again.
Not at all, both can be either. Jungle can be smooth and slick, or intense chaos. DnB too. The point is more the style of drums. Jungle uses changes in drum pattern and sampled real drum beats to make it's beats. DnB may use some of that too but there will be more of a focus on a regular beat and electronic drums or bassline. They're not mutually exclusive, something can be both.
@@wiremucurtis3891 agree. jungle usually has pretty long drum patterns whereas dnb quite often comes to simple 1 bar kick___snare_____kick_snare
Doormouse kind of made the genre “Breakcore” and people like Alec Empire made breakcore before it was recognized as breakcore. Breakcore became a genre in 1994 by doormouse and Alec Empire made breakcore songs a year before doormouse (1993) which was “Bass Terror” whoch would be the introduction to breakcore. Drill and bass came along in the mid-late 90’s a little after breakcore
the first ever breakcore song that i think fits the criteria is in Alec Empire's first single [Alec Empire - SuEcide (Pt.1)]. The third song on the B side named "Tötenposse Rides Out." Distortion on the amen break which was not normal at the time, plus some groovy bass and some chopping on the break too.
@@Newtined Yeah i didnt know about that song at the time
@@thegoofycoil also the term "breakcore" was first used by steve shit in 1994 with an ep of his containing a track called "the power of breakcore" which im not sure what he meant since the track is more dnb than anything
oh yeah i didnt knew that before this comment. btws breakcore at the time was fast jungle. @@Newtined
Drum and bass is "boots cats, bootscats"
Jungle is "bootsencats an bootsencats"
Breakcore is a cat wearing boots breakdancing
My ears are not made to distinguish dnb and jungle
But, we need jungle I'm afraid
To me JUNGLE derives from breaks (I.e. sped up chopped amen loop, I.e Ghost Snares and shakers) . DrumNBass is more fast 909 drum kit (boom, Kat.boom Kat) … Then however the Bass & other layers are thrown in , makes it whatever other sub DnB genres there are. 🤔
Breakcore has been around for years and years. Check Venetian Snares
I too enjoy stringing words together into unintelligible sentences
😂
I can't accept drum n' bass. We need jungle I'm afraid
i wouldnt call breakcore close to becoming a meme genre, there are plenty of innovators that i myself have been able to talk to firsthand, and the community is definitely growing in a much more forward thinking way than the 2019-2021 sewerslvt clone days, if you would like for me to elaborate, I can :)
Heavy disagree on your description of breakcore. You're describing drill n bass, which I also disagree is a synonym for breakcore. A lot of people use those terms interchangeably, but that's just a mistake due to the surface similarities between the two genres (namely the highly complex, chaotic breakbeats, as you can no doubt guess).
Breakcore requires at least some sort of hardcore techno element, like the heavy distorted kicks, in order to qualify as such. It's literally "break-core", "hardcore + breaks". It can be IDM-ish, but it can also be silly over-the-top heavy dance music with a more regular rithmic pulse.
Meanwhile drill n bass is, as you said, literally just the IDM version of drum n bass and/or jungle.
Lots of music obviously combines the two styles and qualifies as both, as is usually the case with similar genres, but they're by no means the exact same thing
Totally agree. For the sake of a 90-second video for the new generation of internet kiddies calling everything breakcore... I rounded up
@@ChrisMichael Fair enough mate, lmao. I don't usually bother correcting people, either
I'm still thinking they're the same thing
Mu zik
El ciego: ¿?
quite interesting ! nower days we have even more offshoots like crossbreed, my last liveset i uploaded is some experimental crossbreeddish thingy between breakcore and tribe.
inspiration came from partys around the 2000 area and artist like bong-ra , radiobomb , spiral tribe etc etc
music is unity
I don't think I saw the word liquid once in that entire video 😐
Try again
why is he mouthing everything lol
we never called anything IDM in the nineties lol
haha you and I might've lived in different '90s
@@ChrisMichael bro
wtf are you smoking?
you KNOW we didn't call anything that in the 90s
I recall "techno" "electronica" for unknown genres but I agree. Probably heard "IDM" after 2000.
I'm absolutely delighted to see Sewerslvt mentioned here. What do you think about the perception that so many Breakcore creators and fans are queer?
BreakCore is BreakCore.
we do not give a f since they don't listen to real breakcore
Breakcore got co-opted by suicidal teens who are on the spectrum and into anime, the same teens who end up queer.
Also Sewerslvt is not breakcore it's jungle mate ill tbh with you
The replies didn't disappoint
Sewerslvt is atmospheric DnB at best. Calling them breakcore is a sin.
what about getting into some phonk/drift phonkj? ;p
them annoying breakcore fans wont like the sewerslut one...
have you tried maybe actually learning what breakcore is? actual breakcore fans are so vocal about this because the mislabelling is literally killing off the genre.
@@zorfuccio i am not disagreeing with the breakcore fans on this one, what i'm saying is breakcore fans are annoying asf in general lmao, that's why i listen to a decent chunk of breakcore but on my life i will never consider myself to be a filthy breakcore fan lol
@@user-he8lc7iw4m how would you feel to see (and hear) your favorite genre of music being replaced and mislabelled by more people around the world than there has been fans of your favorite genre just because an artist is stupid ?
@@gregkerna7410 pissed. And does that change anything? have i ever said that they are wrong for being pissed?
@@gregkerna7410 Eh I'd say more expanding horizons, genre evolution, it ain't so black and white though course there's sometimes more black than white or vice versa. Breakcore is becoming a rather large encompassing genre mixing up all experimental aspects with breaks into new forms as it ought by it's history. Some like the breaks melodic, some like it crazy, some like it both but there's not much better classification but to call it breakcore. Being so strange people are going to get confused. The first kind was much different from the middle kind and the modern neither so samely, this is good imo, more music for the taste.
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Omni Trio - Torn
I love breakcore man idk
breakcore has been a meme genre for a while now lmao i can't imagine a dj playing it at a rave and me keeping a straight face
"meme genre" 😂 good video but you could've used a much better example for breakcore, this hardly distinguishes it from jungle
sewerslvt isnt breakcore its atmospheric jungle.
Brain Rot
See,... easy... /satire
Hey, your video doesnt have any breakcore in it
I think jungle focuses more on manipulating the breakbeat while dnb focuses more on the baseline. It’s like gender, the line between jungle and dnb is about as thin as paper. And that isn’t even getting into sub genres like breakcore, liquid, etc.
So breakcore isn't real???
Im fucking sick of people nowadays making dnb tracks and calling them breakcore