WHICH SIM should you buy - MICROSOFT or XPLANE?
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2020
- Today I compare Microsoft Flight Simulator and XPlane 11 to help you decide which one is right for you? Which is best for VFR navigation, IFR procedural flying, emergency training, weather flying, and more? After my "Has MICROSOFT FLIGHT SIMULATOR killed XPLANE?" video, this looks at various flying scenarios and discusses which are better in which piece of software.
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Me: *looks at my Xbox*
My Xbox: Don't even think about it
bro what xbox do u have
@@Atmostyx xbox1x
Bruh it’s not even in Xbox -_-
@@ekam4411 It is coming to Xbox, it even said it on the trailer dofus
@@mbi9987 bruh your xbox will run it and so will box one lol
I use X-Plane 11 for IFR practice - that is all. It took me a bit of time and effort to get a plane set up with a Garmin GTN650 and 2 G5s to simulate my real world cockpit. As cool as MSFS looks, I'm sticking with my current setup, and that serves my purpose well.
What plane did you get with the 2 G5’s?
For now...
XPlane 11 = Serious :-)
MSFS2020 = Fun :-)
I actually only get angry every time i try fs2020. That's why i stick to xplane and p3d
@@israelfreitas2000 i was trying to switch to a better sim from fsx and flightgear. i tested fs2020 with the 1 dollar game pass and the game wouldn't even download. i got x plane and have enjoyed it since. at least i only paid one dollar to try it out.
You are right. Since i bought FS2020 i never touched Xp11 again. It just takes so long to get started and the game is so bad optimised in OpenGL (Vulcan doesnt work)
@@jansonb482 Xplane 11 is great and vulcan does work actually I gained 30 fps just from using vulcan.
@@mrhoonigan4093 sadly, it doesnt work for me. The game wont load up or crashes in the menu and switches back to OpenGL but OpenGLsucks
Flight Simulator = gamer feel / appeal to wider audience
X-Plane 11 = simulation focused / certified for actual flight training
DCS is simulator focused...Xplane is a game.
They all games if you don't want games go flying for real you would be surprised
@@laurenmarlatt2829 fuck that gave me a good laugh
@@laurenmarlatt2829 dcs is a great sim for fighter jets and i play it too, but xplane wins with simulation in GA and big jets
@planeloverpilot no.
Such a great video, Stefan! Thanks so much for your honest and uplifting advice. :)
01:52 - You know the scenery is darned realistic when you instantly recognize the site (Neuschwanstein castle) you've visited only once, over a quarter of a century ago.
Thanks for this comparison, really found interesting.
the modding community will 100% figure out how to make MSFS as realistic as possible. The devs only need a few smaller changes to allow for that, so i think it's okay for them to go the flying game route and focus on missions and things like that. They definitely did their job by creating a platform, but as with every sim it's the community content that really brings it to life
Stefan, as an avid Aviator, A&P, and Flight Sim Enthusiast, I really appreciate this video. I have flown mostly the Skyhawk but also the Archer II aircraft. I was confused because MSFS has been old reliable for me, as The first version I used was MSFS 5.0 where Meigs Field was the primary airport, however I also used XPLANE ever since the first version came out and I was confused on what to upgrade to next. Thank you so much for the useful tips and info buddy, and remember tailwinds to the sky.
Brilliant video!! Personally, I think we'll see much improved functionality during the coming months/updates in FS2020. I think that, in time, with the updates (as well as the addons that are sure to come out to fix any issues that arise) we could see something really special. The graphics are amazing and VFR flying can be done practically anywhere, something that I haven't really found in any other sim (the realistic live weather in FS2020 also helps massively - I cannot stress this enough!!). I agree with you that the controls feel slightly 'bouncy', but I guess the sensitivity can be adjusted. However, for me, its not really a big issue. It kinda makes it more lively, unlike older sims where flying along can almost feel boring and feel the same all the time. There are definitely improvements to be done in FS2020, especially with the onboard systems as you say - but when that is sorted, for me, I will 100% be going with FS2020. Keep up the good work!
like I said this flight sim is new a has a lot of development coming and when the payware planes come Xplane is dead no other sim just can't touch this one
X plane 11 can use real weather too.
Thanks mate very informative looking forward to seeing videos on both
Information is awesome to see, I disagree with the final statement though that MSFS should go down a good flying game route, I think the scenery generation for VFR, the weather engine and expansion to the add-on flight models for MSFS will expand the realism to never before seen levels of realism and I think that the space needs the competition between the sims that it lost for a good solid 10 years. It'll benefit enthusiast who will probably stick around longer anyways, and Xplane and other sims will only benefit from further competition in development of technologies.
Maybe Stef forgot the /sarc disclaimer? 🤔
I think Stef’s got a good point. I get requests from friends who started to fly in MSFS2020 (gamers mostly) that want to try it in real life now. I agree that MSFS2020 might get new blood into aviation, so yeah, keep the threshold low...
@@kleist5083 I think you have a point but I believe that MSFS doesn't have to play too hard that it actively curtails less to enthusiasts. I believe the microsoft flight sims in general always had a means to control realism and especially with this one there are sliders to dial things back, if they are able to improve the realistic ends I believe they'll be able to fine tune realism to entry level players. I believe that in general add-on development tends to curtail to the enthusiast base anyways too, so they should focus on bringing that realism in general stuff and fine tuning how they can reduce that realism through the methods that they already have so they can introduce new players and actively keep them in the ecosystem and give them a means to develop and raise those realism sliders and I believe by doing that they curtail to the hardcore and casual players actively bring in more hardcore players and the add-on market gains as well.
I don't think it has to be one or the other, they have pioneered this technology and it's better for everyone if they continue to push realism while having the things that are already present to help new comers cause if they stick to it they'll continue to stick to it and learn and seek more, and that will give studios like Laminar the market to potential get these bigger teams to implement the things MSFS has and we as consumers gain.
They can do both dude. It is meant to be the premier sim.
Another point. I fly from a field in England real life. The field is perfectly detailed on MFS20. It could be a great way of teaching students circuits, especially with non radio aircrafts.
I own X-Plane, FS2020, and have used P3D extensively but don't currently own it.
When I teach pattern work to students, I use a multi monitor 3 wide 1 touchscreen below (Air Manager). When the student is abeam the numbers he/she/it/whatever can look directly down the wing on left or right monitor. Multi monitor is essential for VFR training. FS2020 does not do multi monitor, might take awhile or maybe FS2020 just won't go there due to performance issues and X-Box being single monitor system. I am psychic, so before you say it, VR does not work well for instructor/student training, which also require IOS instructor operating station. An IOS is not implemented in FS2020. Yes, single monitor VFR with several views saved is ...OK just not ideal for training. A multi monitor system is essential for RWS and RW pilots enhancing skills/procedures, staying current, or adding ratings.
If you look closely at stock airports (as a RW pilot) you will notice that FS2020 STOCK airports are not built out. They have poor signage, bad taxiways, bad lighting. Yes, this will improve.
There are numerous other reasons that I do not recommend FS2020 (YET) for RWS. Perhaps in a year or two.
the plural of aircraft is aircraft not aircrafts.
right but a lot intructor in the U.K make fun of of us when you say that you just have had experience in FS! the laugh on us, not fun at all!
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@@ohwell2790 I’m so so sorry.
Would have to agree with your conclusion Stef as things stand currently. But still really impressed with what MSFS has achieved and excited about the potential for those of us looking for realistic flight modelling and study level avionics. Hoping that once the SDK is finalised and third party developers like A2A, PMDG (maybe even Torquesim) get their hands on it, we might be spoilt for choice.
Excellent video Stef!! Keep the great content coming.
I don’t know man. I hope MSFS2020 takes the more realistic path than arcade/games. It sure has a lot of potential without being potentially ruined by those not treating it as a sim.
Don't fooled by this youtubers attempt to convince you MFS won't become a serious sim platform. Have a look at this video for starters. czcams.com/video/8dTTK_zf7uA/video.html
this sim has a lot of development coming so in a year Xplane will have to build an X plane 12 or 13 just to catch up
Xplane is dead in a year or two if they don't build a new Xplane 12 or 13 just to compete
Xplane dont need to compete msfs 2020 and will not be dead
Please do not be misinformed. There are those who just can't switch since they've put hundreds into X-Plane 11 or others. But I don't blame them I would defend a simulator I have been using for a while and have invested in. I personally use MSFS2020 now for my VFR practice and IFR training when I can't fly IRL...
Finally, I search for this so long thanks
8:59 Doc's streaming of MSFS was the funniest take on a flight sim ever
Thanks Stefan. This is very helpful information, especially that you categorized the needs and flying experience of pilots who may use these two products. I’m just now looking into possibly using XPlane to help with instrument work.
Hey there Stef, just finished watching your series on your outback trip. I had been tempted to get my pilot’s license the past couple of weeks, and after that I 100% want to pursue it. It would also be amazing to own a plane someday, travelling through the American southwest
I can’t wait to see EchoYankeeZulu back on the tarmac, and Milkshake being your copilot on long flights! Despite now playing MSFS 2020, have you opted to retain your loyalty to the X-PLANE gang or have you decided to move on? It is great to see that private pilots like yourself and many others are keeping well despite having to leave your beloved aircraft in the dust of the hanger. I quite enjoy your comedic approach to everything, turning the most serious of things into comedy gigs with Milkshake (she is very adorable)!
Why choose? I'm a long time Xplane user, but i also like MSFS2020. I'll prob use Xplane for IFR, and MSFS for VFR.
5:00 Don't forget that XP11 doesn't have a default SR22 so the SR22 you're using in XP11 had everything working and is to a better quality than MSFS2020 default SR22 so the quality will improve when Carenado or whoever bring their addons to MSFS
Yeah, but you need to take a loan out to get the "default" SR22 in MSFS as it's only included in the "premium" edition. I opted for the deluxe and still they want me to pay another 85 bucks to upgrade from deluxe to premium. I'll wait until a 3rd party SR22 comes out.
Excellent narration and production quality.
Excellent comparison! Thanks!
After taking forever to make up my mind, I eventually bought XPlane 11 last week. MSFS looks a lot better...but when you get down to it, XPlane is just, well, the better simulator.
I've got to say with owning P3D, XPlane and now MSFS. I am really enjoying MSFS a lot more. I think because it has gotten me to think about flight sim a little different. I was a little shocked however when I attempted some VOR navigation that it wasn't really put in correctly yet (this might be a lack of knowledge however, not a real-world pilot). From what I have heard from many other real-world pilots is that MSFS is spot on with flight dynamics. I was honestly somewhat disappointed with the SR22 however. But other aircraft it feels very well done.
I love how clear and technologically advance MSFS is, and this has made it so much easier to do flights, especially group flights being able to follow a road on maps and it is in the simulator as well. At the moment the sim is more VFR GA, especially bush flying, and honestly, I am not complaining. But I am positive they will fix these issues, and 3rd party developers will start creating study level airliners and other GA planes again and this will become the sim of choice for most people.
in msfs you have to climb to like 300+ feet for the vor to come in
@@381delirius Yea I was above that, I got one VOR, but couldn't get on to the other ones... I was likely pilot error though
Corza Playz My guess is you were too far to track them, but I haven’t tried tracking VORs in msfs yet so I can’t say for sure
I don't know what this guy is thinking a simulator that I was waiting for ten years now has finally come and he is talking about Xplane is more he needs to put it in a sack
I can't decide which one to buy is x-plane 11s. Graphics worth it?
I have been looking at getting back into flight sym for a while and was over excited about MSFS 2020 but could not decide if I should leave it for a year for the bugs to be ironed out. Watching your video has helped me decide.
Just get DCS it’s free and the graphics are to an extent probably better than MSFS
I was looking for a video like this thanks for uploading it:)
No worries, glad you found it useful and thanks for watching.
An excellent summary Stefan. For me, I use the sim as I was unable to complete my PPL training and missed that buzz. I will be running both as I simply adore the visuals. The flight dynamics have improved to a point where they are close to X-plane, enough to increase my heart rate on finals. Something which FSX could never do. I find the refinement of X-plane however will make Laminar's software my preferred choice, for the time being at least.
Hy Stefan (X-Plane 11 with / without Addons?)
Great Video, i really apreciate your detailed informations.
Especially because i never flown in any X Plane or MS FS 2020.
But did you compare Xplane 11 without any Addons in this Video?
If no, which Addons did you use and whats the cost of those?
Hey, sorry I’m not Stef but I think I can help out a bit. In the video he is using the SR22 aircraft. In FS 2020 the SR22 comes with the premium deluxe version of the sim, the cost depends on where you live. In X-Plane 11 the SR22 is not included in the default simulator and has to be purchased with money. I don’t know how much it costs but I would imagine it’s around $20-$30. Because the SR22 in FS2020 is default the devs didn’t have a lot of time to work on it, so the SR22 in X-Plane is better but is made by deferent devs so it had more work done on it. I don’t know if he is using any other addons but I hope this helped!
There is an excellent freeware sr22 for x plane, however it does take a big hit on frames. Aside from the aircraft he used vanilla versions for both sims. And I can agree with his assessment. The flight model in msfs is good, but the planes feel more realistic in X-Plane. Microsoft has better scenery and weather. They both have their strengths and weaknesses and it’s a matter of what you’d prefer. Personally for me the aircraft are the star of a sim so I prefer X-Plane still but I’ve also really been enjoying msfs!
@@kalynstalinski8375 He did not use default vanilla! That is not true! He is comparing a single addon plane that costs you 55 usd and has obviously much more refined controls and handling to the default new sim version! That is not a fair comparison!
zombi111980 I did mention that the aircraft is an add on, however the scenery he used is vanilla x plane. And the default aircraft in X-Plane still handle more realistic than in msfs imho. Even with payware add ons, the core flight model of the sim is what makes the biggest difference. Also the fact that even in X-Plane’s default aircraft, the avionics actually work the way they should irl, and even the payware sr22 he’s using in this video, the g1000 is based on (and expanded upon) the X-Plane native g1000.
Excellent video 👍 Working on my IFR rating right now, so I'm considering a home sim
Great video as always Stef. I have the luxury of being able to use both and intend to do so. Have one of the new 27" Intel based iMacs with really good specs. So am running X-Plane 11 in Mac OS and will be running FS2020 using Win 10 Pro in a Bootcamp partition. In fact setting that up as I watched your video. Am looking forward to using FS2020 for daytime VFR mucking around, looking at the scenery type flying and then using X-Plane as an IFR and/or procedural trainer. I think your comments about being a really good simulator vs a really good game hit the nail on the head. There is room for both. Love the vids mate. Look forward to more. Stay safe..... Mike
Exactly my thoughts Stef, spot on!
Thanks Marcel 👍
8:35 - Bill Gates is no longer the CEO of Microsoft, he has been out of Microsoft for about a decade now, Satya Nadella is the current CEO. :-)
I think I need both! I am planning on restart lessons in 2021 (because you know , 2020) of a 20 year hiatus. I got MSF 2020 as a training tool (and for fun) to help me relearn some of the basics.
Congrats on 100k bro
That's like getting off a commercial flight you just safely landed in and yelling into the cockpit "nice game guys!" YEAH NO.
I feel it will be alot like how Forza is when it comes to simulation.
Yeah.
@@Bakus74 he never said it was
@@OnTheRailwayOfficial he was implying it as thats how the argument goes these days numbnuts. Xplane dweebs be making fake reddit accounts just to defend it when you can only fly a fucking handful of airports. Flight sim has them all.
Yep mfs is not realistic
@@BK-uy9nj buddy you can fly around the world in xplane too. There are free addons to download each continent. They even have more detail than mfs
Thanks for the video, helped a lot.
Love the video, as ever. Nothing to do with the content of the video, but what is the light that you use in the background which is rotating rainbow colours?
You cant compare default aircrafts to payware. Thats pretty much what this whole video was about
Exactly, completely pointless video. Why don’t they just wait a couple years then compare??but ohhh nooo we just have to compare years and years of work on a flight sim with addons to completely fresh out the box vanilla sim.
Tom Chavez Ik and he even said we don’t need fs2020 to be a flight sim and he thinks that it should just be a game instead. He even said there’s already good flight sims out there like x plane 11 or p3d. Those flight sims are complete Garbo compared to fs2020, I’m not even being bias either fs2020 is miles ahead of x plane. And I think it’s about time that we move from a shitty looking flight sim and actually move to a sim with up to par graphics and technoligy with this new era of gaming.
AveryAvery 100% agree
AveryAvery yeah I noticed a lot of the hardcore xplanes are biased as well lol i say enjoy both but between you and me MFS2020 is miles ahead
Some people just have superiority complexes. They have mastered this 'true to life' x plane and they don't like it when the hordes are coming along treating the genre like a piece of fun and worse still thinking they can also fly a plane.
First of all...Nice Video :) .
I fly X.plane 11 in VR every evening because of the realism ( Planes,Avionics ect. ) , with ORBX o Ortho scenery.
MSFS is new and a lot of it doesn't work properly yet, but it's nice to look at and fun. But for me as a SIM pilot, X-plane is still number one. X-Plane in VR runs so smoothly at the highest settings , thanks Vulkan engine. just have to wait and see what the future will bring in SIM Flying.
Good video! You’re so close to 100,000 subscribers, hope you get there soon!
Thanks Draavo, yeah I know every day I amazed by how the channel is growing. I appreciate that, thanks.
As a non-pilot who understands some basic terms, my summary of this would be- if the inside of the plane is more important to you, XPlane is the way to go. If outside the plane is more important to you, MFS is the way to go.
Thank you, thank you! You've confirmed what I suspected. I don't care about graphics as much. I'm trying to learn.
@@Bakus74 if x plane is a kids game then being a real pilot is for 14 year olds 😂😂 clown 🤡🤡🤡
@@Bakus74 what are you on about. I have both and yes the graphics are much better on mfs but from a flying aspect (the reason why we buy these games) is far superior on Xplane. Mfs is more of a kids game to me.
i only can agree to that
@@Bakus74 thats funny, but please come to the reallife
@@Bakus74 then why is xplane 11 officially licensed and certified for real life training, but fs2020 is not?
I've been an fsx/p3d guy for years, since fs95. I'd spent a fortune making fsx as realistic as possible so when I bought xplane 11 because of the pretty lights it still didn't visually beat my p3d at the time so I shelved it. Having played fs2020 since release I've found the flight model a bit arcade overall so I thought I'd dust off xplane and see if I was missing out. An overloaded cesena 172 on xplane 11 will not fly whereas an overloaded 172 on fs2020 will handle nearly the same as if it was empty. The looks go to fs2020 hands down, but the feeling that can't be described or quantified in a video are a win for xplane all day long.
I totally agree. X-plane was always about flight model and physics geekery. MS2020 is stunning eye-candy and definitely fun. I'm sticking with Xplane mainly due to physical simulator panel I've built and rewiring everything for different type of interface would set me back a couple of days of troubleshooting.
I love this guy. First time I've seen you. I love how you talk, you have a great personality, and it's no wonder you're successful on CZcams. I just subscribed, and I rarely do that. I'm insanely picky.
Thanks Philminator, welcome to the channel.
Person1: Microsoft flight simulator is better
Person2: X-Plane 11 is better
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I think MSFS still has potential to grow into a Simulator and should, by all means, continue to do so. Sometimes you just need one to kill them all. MSFS has a really powerful dev team and with some amends to flight model characteristics, I'm damn sure that it will be level or better than X Plane. Even if not, no default aircraft in any sim was ever a good aircraft. We still have to wait and see what the community can do for MSFS. After all we do have a ZIBO project for the A320 NEO now.
We're gonna need that for the 747 and 787 now.
It all boils down to 1) MSFS is a game and their programers only know games / 2) X-Plane is a real Flight Simulator and used for fun and commercial instructions, the only difference between the two is the price of the program. I am a real pilot and have both, started years ago with MSFS when they pulled the plug I had to find another flight sim to help me stay current, this took awhile but I stumbled on X-Plane 9. I purchased the program and found it performed to much like the real thing and I did not do go with it until I decided to treat it like a real flying situation, still with it today. I pre purchased MSFS before it came on the market, saw all the hype that the youtubers put on after their free visit to MS indocturation (smart move on MS) couldn't wait for it to come out.....most let down ever, it loads like a game and you have to learn how the game is played, in real flight sims you need to know how to fly, the flight simulator does the rest. I have gone back several times but just don't have the interest in having how to play a flying game when in X-Plane I load it, pick a plane in my hanger, set up real flying VFR or IFR. Real pilots will never use MSFS as their go to sim to practice, it's just not there, don't care how beautiful the ground or clouds are....you can get the 18 wheeler sim if that's what turns you on. Both sims have a place in the world but only one is as close to flying without leaving the ground as you will ever get. Enjoy what works for you.
@@charleswetterman4381 I think you're forgetting that MSFS still is not a finished product and there's a lot more fixes, features and tweaks that need to be added in future updates. What's important is that the devs understand this and listen to their community which has been proven that they are doing. They have already been supporting the 3rd party developer FlyByWire with their efforts to fully make the A320 study level as well as other companies have started putting their own planes in, the main one being Aerosoft with their CRJ which has gotten a lot of praise. Yes, stopping distances and other aircraft performance has a long way to go and I do think X plane has that nailed down, but X plane has always been sure to release a finished product with updates along the way. Even for FSX, PMDG managed to work around the engine and produce extremely high fidelity aircraft that the community heavily idolises because its just that damn realistic. I dont like X plane because Ive seen a lot of the aircraft addons just arent true to life and im sticking with MSFS because I know some time down the line, I will be getting fancy graphics, good aerodynamic simulation and realistic aircraft performances because it has the potential to bare more fruits than I think X plane can currently do. The community for X plane has never particularly been a very strong one but here there are tons of third party devs aiming to make aircraft FOR FREE that are study level. The KC10, A320, A380, B777, A330, B737, B747 and even the first helicopter in development before the main devs even got the chance to work on it. The fire and passion that goes into MSFS is unlike any other and I believe that has the potential to grow the "game" into something its meant to be.
x plane team developed realistic flight model in xp12
very helpful, thank you.
Nice videos Stefan! Address those suggestions to Asobo thought, Bill has long ago left the building as others have said! :)
Microsoft’s graphics can be as good as they like, the flying resembles grand theft auto
GTA doesnt have anything to do with flight sim 😐
@@acxgr6457 GTA has a ton of aircrafts.. They are saying the controls feel like it.
@@MrDubs ohhh ok
Funny you mention that. Microsoft is working on an extensive flight model update that will be out soon. They released a video about it too some hours ago.
nope both even close
Honestly I have known about Xplane but I was never too interested to try a flight sim until MSFS2020 came out. Really, I think a lot of people feel similar, and we can see from the previous shortages of various flight sim gear that a lot of people got into it. I do hope MS improves the instruments and flight systems and the whole realism aspect, because, while I do like "fun" flying, I also like the challenge/complexity of aviation and would love to perhaps one day get a PPL, therefore, the more accurate/realistic MSFS is the more I can learn about flying, or at least it feels like that. Heck, if one day I do not pass the medical for flying I would have to resort to simming only haha
Thx for the video. I have both XPlane 11 and MSFS though haven’t played much with MSFS. Definitely get the idea that MSFS is more “gamey.” Currently working on my instrument rating and love practicing with X-Plane 11. Seems like a spot on analysis.
I've flown an aircraft (well two) in real life. One thing I really liked about XPlane was you could put in your design and see how it would fly. I had several designs I came up with myself. I also had some, like the Voyager, that I put in from design specs I found in an encyclopedia.
My worst ever crash was on Mars. I went over 1.5KM just rolling across the landscape before my aircraft came to a halt. After I came to a halt, I set up another flight to see if
I haven't owned X-Plane to compare but I would really like to try, as the biggest thing that's bugging me about MSFS is the aircraft handling at the extremes of the flight envelope. Most of them (except so far the Extra, which may have had "extra" time spent on it due to its purpose as a stunter) are impossible to provoke into a stall and even less a spin, most just glide nose-up well below their stall speed with the stick hard back. So, for practising necessary flight skills at the moment it's a non-starter.
You can download XP11 for free and try it out. Check their website. Input is disabled after 15 minutes in demo mode
I very much disagree with your final statement please don’t speak for the whole flight simulator / aviation community I really want this sim to go down the path of being more realistic
Absolutely. I don't consider XP a game as I learn to start a plane cold, prepare the flight plan, maneuver through the airport, set controls, fly, deal with weather and land. A "game" is shooting people and playing soccer with cars. No comparison.
Absolutely, a realistic sim is much better. I love the feeling you get in msfs 2020 when you are flying along and things are smooth, but then you get close to a mountain side and the air turbulence kicks in same as going over the peaks. Icing, the fact that you really have to make calculating decisions to get out of a serious situation in a plane without de icing capabilities. That was a lot of fun.
@@4freebird69 man he is looking after his own interest... X plane . MSF2020 its hassle-free and more realistic, better design, better everything. X plane its like in beta level for a long time now so its growing but very slowly..
@@ze2004 Xplane to fly, MSFS to watch. The grapics are great but thats all MSFS has got. We all got preferences though so Im not gonna judge you for liking MSFS.
@@ambientcoot8715 ok no problem man, i judge for you clearly just one more time so that will help you out. MSFS is waaaaaay better.
Great video - balanced, informed, and rational. I am fortunate enough to have both XP11 and MSFS 2020 and I enjoy them both, for the kind of different reasons you've outlined in your video. I also still play Flight Sim World (RIP - I just can't let it go!). They all have their positives and minuses, but the fact is that as players, depending on what kind of experience we are looking to enjoy, we are very lucky to have a choice. This is a good thing!
Hey Stef, could you do more procedural flying, with your checklists and run through for either VFR or IFR flying, Currently flying the SR20 and would be great to watch some more serious flying that would help with my training
Thank you for this! I was introduced to aviation when my opa took me up in his Cessna 172g for my 5th birthday. I got fs95 in 8th grade, after opa and I crashed n3536l at 3w2 in ohio😜, and fs98 my sophomore year in high school. I loved both. But life progressed and shortly after my son died, I discovered x-plane mobile, and while the scenery was lacking, it was the flight model and systems depth, even in default planes, that really got me hooked, then I got a pc and the desktop version of X-Plane 11, and last year started my ppl training, before car trouble took a hit from my real world flying budget. Since then I’ve been getting the most out of X-Plane, and now msfs, and as brilliant as it is, for me the planes are the star of a flight simulator and that’s what keeps me coming back to X-Plane! I see the real world benefits of having both, and for me, rekindling my love of aviation and flying helped pull me out of a very dark depression as been the best therapy ever, thanks for your insight, and as always, keep the blue side up!
hope to hear that flight sim is helping with your life
My last flight simming days were in 2011 with FSX, and I highly recommend incorporating Air Hauler. I became absolutely addicted to flying and cash grabbing the best paying jobs while sight seeing where ever you want to base your HQ. After 6 months of crazy flying I then had a middle ear infection which resulted in an operation which left me with vertigo. I couldn't work with a computer for months without wanting to throw up from Vertigo, caused when I scroll screens . . .lol, So flight simming got canned after work and my Air Hauler company went bankrupt !! Once I got over the vertigo I was planning to came back to the hobby with a bigger and better machine and flight sim harware, but life and health got in the way. So here I am 9 years later thinking I'll avenge my flying passion with X-plane this time around. P3d was maybe my other choice, but I think X-plane will win out as I want to fly 727's with Air Hauler once the company progresses !!
I absolutely disagree with your final statement that the msfs is and should be a game.I think in next two years it will be the best flight sim on the market.
And the reason your statement is 100% correct is the amount of potential there is in this new platform. Its a completely re-written piece of modern software, with modern architecture, that has been future proofed for many years to come. DX12 hasn't even been implemented yet, so we have that to look forward too as well. The future is very bright.
The Earth won't be here in 2 years the way things are going
Guess you right
@@expat5587 Why? Where is it going?
@@galaxyboots It's flat and stationary
Good timing, was just bouta make a purchase
Great video!!! When I was participating in flight sims, it was strictly as a gamer.
I agree with your assessment 100% xplane might not be as glamours as FS2020 but if you want a better flight learning experience xplane hands down is the way to go.
Wait what? You are really comparing payware aircraft in xplane to default in MFS20? Are you serious? Look at the default planes in p3d and xplane and then come back! I cant believe this!
was that model he was showing payware??
There is a freeware sr22 in xplane that is almost the same as that
Also you have to buy the prenium version of msf 2020 to get the meh sr22, torque sim sr22 and xplane 11 is cheaper than get the prenium edition
Hi thank you for the video. How would you say FS has evolved since? Is it still more of a flying game than simulation?
I agree with this. I hope they add functions 100% and physics more realistic so it can be more enjoyable
you inspired me to become a pilot at such a young age thank you for all your amazing vids you are my idol and favorite CZcamsr.
Haven't played MSFS2020. XP11 definitely does "feel" realistic comparing to flying real planes, granted it is a more mature product. I'd imagine MSFS2020 will get updated and refined with updates.
I agree. Let's first wait for some good quality study-level add-ons from PMDG, A2A, FlightSimLabs, a.o. , that use their own flight models, and fully functional cockpits, and then do this comparison again. MSFS is still in its infancy. The default planes are rough examples, graphics-wise of what is possible, but are not representative of what the sim is capable of. Asobo did not make very detailed flight models or in-depth simulation of systems, but they did focus on the important part and that is making a very good base/platform, on which third-party devs can make very detailed, specific content, be it a planes (e.g. PMDG), avionics (e.g. RealityXP), scenery (e.g. ORBX)
Plus, the devs commented they’ll update the flight model as it goes on.
Also, the flight model while not X-Plane, is leaps and bounds better than FSX.
We'll just have to wait and see - I haven't played FS2020 yet so I cannot really compare XP11 vs FS2020. Can't wait to get it up and running on my system.
very fair comparison for the current state of both sims. As with all previous sims, they mature and get better over time. I have no doubt MSFS will improve over the next year and start to catch up to some of that realism side of things that xplane current wins on, and most likley overtake it. WIth regards to game vs sim, i think what asobo were aiming for was a good mix of both, having the realism for the die hard simmers and rl pilots wanting some practice. being able to set the difficulty of systems and effects allows it to accomplish both very well. Once more study level aircraft are released for MSFS, i think some of the things you would use xplane for now will be doable in MSFS. Hope you are well Stef, only a few weeks of lockdown to go mate! i cant wait to get outside too lol
Keep up the good work
I’ve literally been using flight sim since the 80’s...yes I’m that old. When I flew for the first time, my instructor thought I was far ahead of most students at that point in training. I credit that to many years of using MSFS. It’s more than a game. It’s disappointing they didn’t add the realism of the avionics, and I saw in another video how the flight director doesn’t work properly; but I think those things are fixable. MSFS is a simulator first with some gaming elements. I would hate for them to simply call it a game and rest on their laurels. With the graphics and world rendering it has soooo much more to offer. This could really be the sim to rule them all...until until FS30 comes in the next 10 years...
Name one flight simulator that is as good as MSFS with out mods?
@@Gamebreaker08 xplane 11 in terms if realism
@@Gamebreaker08 i ve been using FS since 2004, i m looking for a Simulator rather than a game, i will find out soon enough each one is better simulator, FS2020 or xplane11 i will let you know :)
I've been using X-Plane since 2013 and now I've started training IRL to be a pilot. I prefer MSFS2020 even though the systems aren't very accurate yet but I think we'll see a shift as third party developers come onboard.
Sandro I’d love to hear more on how the “crap dynamics “ are going to get me killed. Maybe you should write a book on it.
@@sandro4362 I know you mean well but when you make these claims you should have some evidence to back it up. No simulator is the same as real world flying especially flight dynamics and as far as I'm aware nobody has crashed from doing everything else correctly but crashing cause thier real plane dynamics didn't match a simulator they were using.
You are growing so fast congrats on 80k subs and keep up the good work and stay safe hope you fly soon
Thanks Rexi, yeah looking forward to getting out there again, appreciate it, stef
No problem!
I WOULD always go FS2020 , as it is going to be supported to the highest level , and as time progress in a short time at that it will improve its models so quickly,either by community or by addons
I'll never be a real pilot. I'm too old. So, give me EYE CANDY
How old are you?!
@@junaaaoo I'm 56 Years Old
@@campc1 it’s fine maybe after you retire in 1 year
It’s a simple fact that everything in aviation is going to cost you. Having said that, the cost of owning both X-Plane and MS Flight Sim, isn’t that expensive in relative terms. (Compare that to hiring an SR-20 for an hour in the ‘real’ world). I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a pilot to have both and use whatever tool fits the mission objective at the time. But I also agree that MSFS is a great introduction to anyone with an interest in flying to build on their passion and progress from the virtual to real world aviation. And I think it’s a great tool for VFR flying, even if some of the rendered buildings are a bit odd!
Xplane needs to grow and grow fast you have to advance to get ahead
True but it is best to pick one and support the devs of that one to improve on the weak points.
Can’t really compare the cost of playing a game to flying in real life. It’s not the same experience. “Ok family instead of going to Disneyland, gather around the computer and I’ll fly us there on that!”
Cheers Stefan :)! An honest opinion as always ;) warm regards from LMML :)
Thanks for the help
I definitely thought I was buying a sim, and I got more of a game, I hope in the future there will be more functionality with the IFR and GPS systems. Its just the graphics look so good!
It's all default, we have complete default game
Msfs 2020 at its current that is a full on sim. Just because some system are not fully implemented doesnt mean it is "only" a game. Even payware planes on X-Plane 11 offen have some missing buttons. The msfs X-Cub for example is basically fully functional apart from the G1000 not handling changes in the ifr flight plan well and stars and appraches activating when you just load them. Both things need to be fixed and are annoying, but not real dealbreakes, since in most cases you simply fly your planned route and just have to load stars and approaches a bit later then normally. According to Microsoft the G1000 issues are worked at right now so should soon be fixed. On the other hand I had trouble finding a small grass strip on the C152 yesterday because I was flying into the direction of the sun, which never made much of an impact on X-Plane for me. And on the X-Cub the fuel gauges in the rear are fully functional which is really nice. The default airplanes on Msfs blow anything any other sim has out of the water by far.
The system is in depth already which I can call it a sim. Not talking about airliners, but ga. Game would not implement a live weather, satellite imagery, real airport data, vector data etc. If this is your first sim then you can say that. If you owned fsx, p3d and xplane by default then you will appreciate msfs even more
this sim is new and has a lot of development coming so in a year Xplane will be dead if they don't build a new Xplane 12 or 13 just to catch up
@@holdensv2000 it won't be dead for a long time, a lot of people still use fsx
As an instructor I agree that FS2020 is good for aviation. We are still in the honeymoon phase. Time will tell. Competition is good.
I think the best might be MS doing the game part and third party developer focus on the simmer part as they can concentrate on study level aircraft for RL pilot practicing VFR,IFR. As a student pilot fly VFR the most, I am using FS2020 as a preflight tool to get familiar with flight plan
I totally agree with your review. I'm currently finalising my instrument training, the possibility to connect the iPad to XPlane (o connect foreflight for instance), and all the instruments functionality are miles away from MSFS. MSFS outside image are nicer, but under IFR you are not looking outside but at the instrument.
You can connect your tablets in mfs too... There are multiple already available options to do this. and some of them are free.
Of course default aircraft are not as detailed as 60 usd + addon aircraft.. If you want to make a fair comparison you have to look at the default Aircraft in xplane too!
Personally I think, give it 3 more years for Microsoft to release some updates to fix issues. And third party developers to get involved and bring their products to the sim. I think then we might be looking at a possible overtake with XPlane. But at the moment, its more of a "Hey, look what we can do sim" rather than a study level sim.
I've owned a flight simulator since 2004 with that being FS2004, then FSX and finally P3D which I still use as my main sim so I know how far flight sims have come, especially in the Microsoft world. And I have played on friends XPlanes to know the differences. I think we all should be thankful that our small community is getting the attention its been losing over the years and start looking forward to amazing things to come.
no, give it one year and Xplane is dead this flight sim has everything coming to it it also has a lot of development o the way so Xplane needs to build a new Xplane 12 or 13 to get ahead of die
@@holdensv2000 If I would be the manager of X-Plane I would switch my company goals and produce nice add-ons for the MSFS. A big market and lots to do :D
@@livapininfarina2164 so you would just abandon x-plane and make stuff for MSFS???
Bill gates isn't involved with Microsoft anymore
I think this tells you everything you need to know about how this guy has following the MFS platform. The conclusions on the face of it are reasonable but I think as a CZcams influancer he is going to anoy a load of people who opted for X-Plane as it was a sim and ignored MFS because it was an arcade game, like I said in my above comment an embarrising video.
David Jones totally agree with you man
agreed on the flight model xp better, but close. g8 if hq aircraft devs like a2a accu-sim port over study level GA. and atc improved. phaps x-plane/laminar cld do do a deal with google maps and completely do away with all that struggling with mesh with poor results.
And even if he was he would have nothing to do with game programming...
I heard Bill is having problems installing the flight sim on his computer and no one will help him.
For now... Yes i agree with your opinion..
But even so, as soon as those study level aircraft creeps to MSFS... The wind might change by a lot
MSFS as of now still lacks study level aircraft (that i personally want to fly)...
As soon as it starts rolling in.. ill give it beating to know how it performs
I think a large part of the bounciness of the planes come from the camera moving rather than the plane. If you turn the camera shake off in the settings, the planes feel much less bouncy. An added bonus is that the switches don't move around as the plane does manoeuvres!
Exactly my thoughts, I love XP11 so much. Being a pilot myself, XP11 is the most realistic by far in aerodynamics and procedures. I subscribed to MSFS to give it a chance as everyone was saying it was the most realistic thing ever and its really not. Yeah the graphics are stunning but the flying is horrible, it does not fly like an aircraft at all. As you said it is very bouncy and all for £60 you cannot press every button? XP is cheaper and it gives you amazing quality default aircraft with almost every button you can press. However in the long run XP is more expensive if you want to add more aircraft and scenery.
But overall, XP11 is realistic and MSFS just wants to be a arcade flying game
xplane realistic 😂😂😂😂
MSFS is an actual simulator.
Excellent 👌 Spot on perspective here. Personally sticking with Xplane for the sole reason I can't risk not being able to practice like I'm going to perform. My sim time for me is a dry run for real world flying and the system and flight modeling is just not there in MSFS. That being said it's still beautiful and I so welcome the many new virtual aviators to the hobby and aviation in general. You are most welcome and hope you enjoy and appreciate flying at all levels of enjoyment and complexity.
Not there yet* :3 :3 :3 :3 :3
@@kepyyy5766 agree , I'm also optimistic for its future.
@@Smalltownflyer Oh dear, once PMDG, Aerosoft and some others 3rd party study level devs will realease stuff for MSFS, it's going to be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO good
@@kepyyy5766 have you seen the Q400 xp coming out for xplane 11 soon incredibly detailed amazing graphics, everything 100% simulator, real fluid simulation and circuit breaker real-time function all fully operable, 1 to 1 flight physics matched to the real aircraft, advanced icing simulation, modeling, physics this just one aircraft example xp is nowhere dying out , it makes the majestic dash 8 look like crap and systems seem light in comparison
I do agree with most of the strengths and weakness of each sim as you listed them, as they are now; but when MSFS has been around for as long as X-Plane is now I fully expect the MSFS weaknesses will have shrunk --- that is if Mr. Gates does not take your suggestion about abandoning simulation for pure gaming.
Great Review! I have over 200 hrs in Xplane 11 and I think I will wait 6 months to obtain MSFS 2020. I do think with some fixes, MSFS will be the complete package. I personally want a sim that is most similar to actually flying an aircraft.
Only in XPlane for the first flight I had a WoW effect for feeling the aircraft. I try Microsoft... but will begin trying my DIY Motion Platform with VR in X Plane. Will see wether MSFS2020 will reach to X Plane. Grafics are great in MSFS, but I want flight feelings. If XPlane would look like MSFS and feel like XPlane. This would be it!
no way. MFS is it is made to catch casual players flying over their house, then leaving the game after 6 months.
XPLANE is for those who study and are passionate about aviation.
Just tried it, and after 2 years:
1) is full of bugs
2) The flight model is fake, facilitated ,is cheating
@@Norman_Peterson waiting for XPlane 12 now...
Great video! However I would like to disagree on several points. First of all you can't compare a default aircraft in MSFS to a payware add-on in X-plane. The default planes are not accurate, yes, but neither are they in X-plane. And then you cannot say MSFS is or should be a game, the techology behind it is far better than any other flight sim and we should just wait for third parties to produce quality aircrafts and sceneries. MSFS is truly the future of flight simulation.
Haofan SONG you can turn on FSX physics in FS2020, and see for yourself how different the flight model now is. Every sim has a different feel, that is the nature of the beast, and MSFS is the newer sim, unlike the mature X-Plane 11 (which was rough upon release). But the main point, MSFS is a vast improvement over FSX and you can test that yourself within the sim itself.
@Haofan SONG Cessna in Xplane is the realest I've ever felt outside of actually flying. I knew right away their flight model was spot on.
The difference between the realism of the default aircraft in X-Plane vs MSFS 2020 is huge. The default MSFS aircraft have a completely unrealistic rate of roll, heck the DA40NG in MSFS is listed and modeled as a 125 Ktas aircraft, in reality it's a 155 Ktas aircraft. The MSFS default aircraft have speeds and climb rates that differ greatly from those listed in the respective aircraft POH's.
Not all of XPlane's default aircraft are completely accurate but many are very close, particularly the Cessna 172, the default training aircraft. They are all have far more accurate flight models than MSFS.
That said I'd expect the MSFS aircraft models to improve over time. Some of their issues have to do with the general modeling of aerodynamics in the sim, which will eventually be fixed. So I don't think this situation will last forever, but right now MSFS is halfway between arcade type flying game and an actual simulator.
Which/WHOSE SR22 add-on are you using in X-Plane? Does the G1000 system of your add-on work as well as the built-in one with say the SF50 Vision?
Have you tried the new Airbus joystick with X-Plane & MacOS, are they compatible? Stay well.
Can you download both software if you have a good computer or would both take up to much space.? I don't mean play them both at once.
hey mate great vid and thanks for posting.
For me whilst I love the graphics of FS2020, I doubt will be moving away from Xplane primarily because of the flexibility of use with triple screen setups. My Cessna 172 sim uses 3 x 55 inch TV's around a custom build cockpit and I find the immersion of having a full wrap around view much better than a constrained front view only. Having to switch views in FS2020 is a pain in the proverbial. If they fix this in a future update, then I reckon could be tempted to switch......
Been on Xplane since v7 and whilst it's amazing quality and absolute plethora of addons, the light is slowly starting to die on it with 3rd party developers deciding their products are abandon ware or publicity of their change to MSFS.
Xplane has always being worked on with a very small team with long goals.(full release Vulkan took 9 months and a few of the more expensive addons still aren't working.
Microsoft and Asobo have created and amazing world. The bare cost you would have to put into xplane in addons after the fact to get it close to MSFS means Laminar Research need something ground breaking to round off 11.5 - 12.
Microsoft runs better (once you have it working) the loading times are shorter and all round looks absolute candy-spec.
Both make me wanna be a pilot though and both have their good quality's
It's not dying yet at have you seen the Q400 XP coming out soon for xplane 11 it's incredible, the visual they managed to achieve are mind blowing, every system in the rl aircraft works and functions, real time circuit breakers none of that scripted crap, a custome made fms, real time fluid simulation, advanced icing simulation, alot more other things and an incredibly detailed photo real cabin. There's other devs working on fantastic aircraft I'd rather have quality over quantity, also eI think some devs just cba or put the effort or hardwork in so they went the easy route moved over to mfs only and make system light OK aircraft
Not what l heard PMDG are doing the 737 for xplane
I like both so I have both. X plane has VR and it's awesome to twiddle the switches to start up a 737. MSFS2020 is great to relax to, just taking in the fantastic views and great to fly over places you know and places you don't !
MS FS 2020 has 2 flightmodels , Modern (stock setting ) and Legacy , Legacy seems to feel a bit more realistic or at least easier to stall and crash . worthwhile to experiment with both flightmodels .