@Ryan Jones you are a person that is sick in the head and heart and a threat to others if you ever think violence is the answer to any political matter. When you stop believing in humans ability for understanding and compassion all that you are left with is brute force but bruce force can't bring peace because it can't bring agreement. There is no peace without agreement only temporary dominance soon to be overturned by a stronger more brutal kind of dominance and so on. If that is really the world you want go ahead... That's just hell Cool down your anger you might have your reasons for feeling the way you do I'm sure but its a sad way to go about it, its absolutely detrimental to everybody no matter their opinions. Surely you can do better, keep the faith
"We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun."
Dworkin & the Chairman aren't talking about the same thing. It's almost like you don't understand the meaning of the phrase 'self defence'. Unless YOU'RE being raped, of course. Then I'm guessing you'd believe you had a right to defend & protect yourself.
@@tothelighthouse9843 not really sure what your contention is. I support this quote and I support Dworkin's speech, why wouldn't I support self defense against your oppressors?
my entire life i just knew Andrea by reputation and had this image of her as an irrational, man-hating feminist who hated sex. as i'd always suspected, that image was crafted very deliberately, using the same tools of misogyny that get used to malign feminists today. what finally made me realise that Andre was actually certified Based and Epic was... actually reading her work... going straight to her, instead of just hearing what other people said about her. i had this assumption that when she spoke it would be an aggressive, deep voice because i'd just been told she was this 'scary' figure, but it's calm, measured and gentle. how much of this internalised misogyny do i still have to work through???
She tells with such clarity what problem women face. She was so spot on about how things will turn out if women passively wait for things to change. We have to take charge, reunite sisterhood and make our feminist predecessors proud again.
I agree. My frustration with us as women sometimes is that I do think we as women can be too passive. We are so keen to fit the " good girl " or " nice girl " image that we just keep quiet and accept whatever people say. Then later we complain that things aren't going the way we want. I've learned something : In life , you don't get what you deserve, you get what you're willing to stand up and ask for. That's the reason why women keep losing. We can be too afraid to ask for what we want because we're afraid of losing face or our public image. Its a bit depressing because you then start to wonder how are things ever going to change if no one is willing to speak?
Q : "You have been wondering whether law is an appropriate tool for the protection and also for the advancement of women?" D : "What I feel is that we have got to use what we’ve got. And what we’ve got isn’t very much. And… we’ve got to find some way to keep the rapist off the street. Now there are different ways of doin it. Law is only one way of doint it. I myself favour violence. Deeply, I favour it. And the reason that I favour it is that the law isn’t working. And as long as the law isn’t working, women, who have been attacked, or who are being attacked, need to be able to understand that they have a right to defend themselves against anyone who is attacking them. Many people prefer the legal system. I don’t blame them for that. I wish it would work. It’s not working. We have another… fifty years… to try and get it to work. We have a woman, whose name I am not remembering right now, who killed a paedophile who raped her son. It was clear that he was going to be acquitted, so she shot him. In my view, she did the right thing. I admire her for what she did. So I am willing to sit wown with my sisters to think of a dozen other things that we can do, that are not terrible things, to do. But… we have to do something. We can’t do nothing. That is my answer to you."
Do u mean people should be able to commit kinetic violence to defend oneself against psychological violence? For context, the topic of this video is using violence to defend against physical/sexual violence.
@@pedrotherabbit2222 it depends of scale and type of this violence. if someone just once offend you of course no. If someone in the position of power regullary treat you like shit, shout on you to the point when you can't normally function, threat that he would phisically harm you, leads you to depression or suecidal attempts the answer is yes.
Absolute icon! Unfortunately we still have cases of women who did defend themselves and are now having to serve time for killing their attackers. Our “justice system” sucks. And the dude asking the question sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger lmao
"The important difference is not between violence and non-violence. The important difference is between doing something and doing nothing." Where crime, introciy, and insanity have become '''law''' (or "the new normal") RESISTANCE is evry one's duty. -- And "Do not confuse 'duty' with what other people expect of you; they are utterly different. Duty is a debt you owe to yourself to fulfill obligations you have assumed voluntarily. Paying that debt can entail anything from years of patient work to instant willingness to die. Difficult it may be, but the reward is self-respect." -- Robert Anson Heinlein (1907-1988)
Do you understand the pervasiveness of gender-based violence in the world? Every 2 minutes, a woman in the US is raped. Every 11 minutes, another woman is murdered by a male partner or family member worldwide. Andrea ain't projecting sh*t. You on the other hand...
Hey can you tell me more about this bc I’ve only heard of Jodi arias from men’s perspectives who paint her as a crazy ex girlfriend and I wanna know what the real story was
@@rustykey9009 sure! The real story was that she was clearly a romantic. All of her boyfriend's cheated on her or weren't serious. So she had hoped Travis would be the one. He treated her like a girlfriend behind closed doors, but in public he'd hide it. She would go up to him to hold his hand and would shake it off, like he didn't know her. He also cheated on her and abused her. He just used her as his bootycall. It's just so sad. I really feel for Jodi on what that torment was like. I'm glad she did what she did.
Some passages from Andrea Dworkin's Chapter 9 of Woman Hating. incest: "The parent-child relationship is primarily erotic because all human relationships are primarily erotic. The incest taboo is a particularized form of repression, one which functions as the bulwark of all the other repressions. The incest taboo ensures that however free we become, we never become genuinely free. The incest taboo, because it denies us essential fulfillment with the parents whom we love with our primary energy, forces us to internalize those parents and constantly seek them, or seek to negate them, in the minds, bodies, and hearts of other humans who are not our parents and never will be. The incest taboo does the worst work of the culture: it teaches us the mechanisms of repressing and internalizing erotic feeling-it forces us to develop those mechanisms in the first place; it forces us to particularize sexual feeling, so that it congeals into a need for a particular sexual “object”; it demands that we place the nuclear family above the human family. The destruction of the incest taboo is essential to the development of cooperative human community based on the free-flow of natural androgynous eroticism." bestiality: "Primary bestiality (fucking between people and other animals) is found in all nonindustrial societies. Secondary bestiality (generalized erotic relationships between people and other animals) is found everywhere on the planet, on every city street, in every rural town. Bestiality is an erotic reality, one which clearly places people in nature, not above it. The relationship between people and other animals, when nonpredatory, is always erotic since its substance is nonverbal communication and touch. That eroticism in its pure form is life-affirming and life-enriching was sufficient reason to make bestiality a capital crime in the Dark Ages, at least for the nonhuman animal; sufficient reason for the English in the Dark Ages to con fuse sheep and Jews." and also "Needless to say, in androgynous community, human and other-animal relationships would become more explicitly erotic, and that eroticism would not degenerate into abuse. Animals would be part of the tribe and, with us, respected, loved, and free. They always share our fate, whatever it is." pedophilia: "As for children, they too are erotic beings, closer to androgyny than the adults who oppress them. Children are fully capable of participating in community, and have every right to live out their own erotic impulses. In androgynous community, those impulses would retain a high degree of nonspecificity and would no doubt show the rest of us the way into sexual self- realization. The distinctions between “children” and “adults,” and the social institutions which enforce those distinctions, would disappear as androgynous community develops."
“Dworkin's work from the early 1980s onward contained frequent condemnations of incest and pedophilia as one of the chief forms of violence against women, arguing that "Incest is terrifically important in understanding the condition of women. It is a crime committed against someone, a crime from which many victims never recover."[104][105] In the early 1980s she had a public row with her former friend Allen Ginsberg over his support for child pornography and pedophilia, in which Ginsberg said "The right wants to put me in jail," and Dworkin responded "Yes, they're very sentimental; I'd kill you."[106] When Hustler published the claim that Dworkin advocated incest in 1985, Dworkin sued them for defamatory libel; the court dismissed Dworkin's complaint on the grounds that whether the allegations were true or false, a faulty interpretation of a work placed into the "marketplace of ideas" did not amount to defamation in the legal sense.[99]”
@@blinkypushbuttons So why did she write, condemningly, of the "incest taboo" if she was so againt it? Sure she hated Allen Ginsberg but that wasn't because of pdf that was because he was a man.
You think if I am being attacked I won't strike back because I trust the law? Of course the law works, otherwise it would've been hell. That doesn't take away the fact that the systems are flawed, because they're run and led by flawed humans. There's always going to be someone that will break the law, any type of law, and that includes women as well.
@@Monarch_Prime She never said that, she lived in a house with a gay man for many years, and they really liked each other. Her words are motivated by her own suffering and the suffering of other sisters in the hands of men as a class, an entire group of people *systematically attacking* another group! If you were attacked by a class of people *constantly*, with no end in sight, would you not be very upset, angry and possibly even declare war against them at some point, when everything else seems to fail? Adrea was an inspirational, brave, highly lucid sister that will always be a feminist beacon for women all over the world. We need more sisters like her.
"ShE wAs FaT, HuRr HuRr" So what? She was also 100% correct, which is why all her detractors can do is call her insane or fat. Meaningless insults. Women don't exist to be objects of your desire, nor do we care if we are. Getting off to a woman being dehumanized and raped makes men far more insane than Andrea could ever be. You're mad she called men out on their bullshit, simply put.
@@superhetoric Two replies so far, yours and "Beep Boop Bot"'s, neither of which constitutes any kind of meaningful response to, or coherent commentary upon, my original post.
onion sister Funny how the Y chromosome is actually the one that emerged as a mistake, and every organism starts off as female but say I’ll let you gibber on about whatever lets you cope with having XY syndrome
she will always be right
She is right. The solution to male violence and evil cannot be mercy. You get what you give.
So what are you gonna do ? Murder your ideals to general "acceptance", what a great idea, Bravo !
@@martinc8273 You are whining because women dare to be violent against RAPISTS. don’t care what you have to say XD
@@martinc8273 If a man attacks, pull out your gun and shoot him. If he dies while you were defending your life against him, it's self-defense.
@Ryan Jones you are a person that is sick in the head and heart and a threat to others if you ever think violence is the answer to any political matter. When you stop believing in humans ability for understanding and compassion all that you are left with is brute force but bruce force can't bring peace because it can't bring agreement. There is no peace without agreement only temporary dominance soon to be overturned by a stronger more brutal kind of dominance and so on.
If that is really the world you want go ahead...
That's just hell
Cool down your anger you might have your reasons for feeling the way you do I'm sure but its a sad way to go about it, its absolutely detrimental to everybody no matter their opinions. Surely you can do better, keep the faith
"We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun."
Chairman Mao!
Dworkin & the Chairman aren't talking about the same thing.
It's almost like you don't understand the meaning of the phrase 'self defence'. Unless YOU'RE being raped, of course. Then I'm guessing you'd believe you had a right to defend & protect yourself.
@@tothelighthouse9843 not really sure what your contention is. I support this quote and I support Dworkin's speech, why wouldn't I support self defense against your oppressors?
Bought one of her books she’s an incredibly sharp writer
my entire life i just knew Andrea by reputation and had this image of her as an irrational, man-hating feminist who hated sex. as i'd always suspected, that image was crafted very deliberately, using the same tools of misogyny that get used to malign feminists today. what finally made me realise that Andre was actually certified Based and Epic was... actually reading her work... going straight to her, instead of just hearing what other people said about her. i had this assumption that when she spoke it would be an aggressive, deep voice because i'd just been told she was this 'scary' figure, but it's calm, measured and gentle. how much of this internalised misogyny do i still have to work through???
Better late than never 💛
@@brittanyw7546 better late than ever? She did hate men, the girl eas fucking crazy, have you read her books?
@paris parchment not at all
@@naranjolopezdaviddaniel7529 oh nooooo a feminist doesn't write books with the enjoyment of her male audience in mind, whatever shall we do???
@@LadyFeebs I don´t care if they write that shit thinking about me. The point is that those books are anti-scientific.
She tells with such clarity what problem women face. She was so spot on about how things will turn out if women passively wait for things to change. We have to take charge, reunite sisterhood and make our feminist predecessors proud again.
I agree. My frustration with us as women sometimes is that I do think we as women can be too passive. We are so keen to fit the " good girl " or " nice girl " image that we just keep quiet and accept whatever people say. Then later we complain that things aren't going the way we want.
I've learned something : In life , you don't get what you deserve, you get what you're willing to stand up and ask for. That's the reason why women keep losing. We can be too afraid to ask for what we want because we're afraid of losing face or our public image. Its a bit depressing because you then start to wonder how are things ever going to change if no one is willing to speak?
Aileen Wuornos is the best example of this. RIP
Q : "You have been wondering whether law is an appropriate tool for the protection and also for the advancement of women?"
D : "What I feel is that we have got to use what we’ve got. And what we’ve got isn’t very much. And… we’ve got to find some way to keep the rapist off the street. Now there are different ways of doin it. Law is only one way of doint it. I myself favour violence. Deeply, I favour it. And the reason that I favour it is that the law isn’t working. And as long as the law isn’t working, women, who have been attacked, or who are being attacked, need to be able to understand that they have a right to defend themselves against anyone who is attacking them. Many people prefer the legal system. I don’t blame them for that. I wish it would work. It’s not working. We have another… fifty years… to try and get it to work. We have a woman, whose name I am not remembering right now, who killed a paedophile who raped her son. It was clear that he was going to be acquitted, so she shot him. In my view, she did the right thing. I admire her for what she did. So I am willing to sit wown with my sisters to think of a dozen other things that we can do, that are not terrible things, to do. But… we have to do something. We can’t do nothing. That is my answer to you."
God she is so amazing.
abq-grl Only another man hating Lesbian Feminist bigoted LOSER would say something like that......
@ keep crying moid
@ you're crying so hard lol
Feminism is the work of evil forces. Islam shall prevail Inshallah. You and your western ideologoues will succumb to the Almighty Allah. Allah-u-Akbar
Amazingly horrible, yes.
6 innocent women have just been shot in the USA.. not one of them was a paedophile.. Male violence is the scourge of this planet.
I don't like violence but this woman has a really good argument here.
I love Andrea. Her books are awesome.
@Tim no, u.
@Tim www.victimfocus.org.uk/womens_experiences_violence_abuse_study
based
@Yo Mama why
At least shes honest.
There s not only Rape ( physical violation) and other intimate assault there s psychological violence, violation
Do u mean people should be able to commit kinetic violence to defend oneself against psychological violence? For context, the topic of this video is using violence to defend against physical/sexual violence.
@@pedrotherabbit2222 it depends of scale and type of this violence. if someone just once offend you of course no. If someone in the position of power regullary treat you like shit, shout on you to the point when you can't normally function, threat that he would phisically harm you, leads you to depression or suecidal attempts the answer is yes.
Based and Pinkpilled
blackpill > pinkpill imo
radfem onion Doesn’t blackpill say our cause is hopeless or am I mistaken?!
I Do What I Want yeah it does
@@NyanHomeschoolGirl17 no
Based.
i love her
Absolute icon! Unfortunately we still have cases of women who did defend themselves and are now having to serve time for killing their attackers. Our “justice system” sucks. And the dude asking the question sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger lmao
such brilliance and power. what i would've given to hear her speak in person!!!
She's advocating for murder as a mean to change the political landscape you sick minded filthy individual that you are
"The important difference is not between violence and non-violence. The important difference is between doing something and doing nothing."
Where crime, introciy, and insanity have become '''law''' (or "the new normal") RESISTANCE is evry one's duty.
--
And "Do not confuse 'duty' with what other people expect of you; they are utterly different. Duty is a debt you owe to yourself to fulfill obligations you have assumed voluntarily. Paying that debt can entail anything from years of patient work to instant willingness to die.
Difficult it may be, but the reward is self-respect." -- Robert Anson Heinlein (1907-1988)
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
I concur
is there anywhere I could find the woman she mentions who shot a pedophile
Lee Harvey Oswald?
ellie nesler
@@sapnupua5 lmao ty it only took 4 years
@@Smudgyglasses lol no problem
Queen
Andrea projecting her own experience on everyone else. Hey go buy a gun you’ve got 2A rights.
Do you understand the pervasiveness of gender-based violence in the world?
Every 2 minutes, a woman in the US is raped. Every 11 minutes, another woman is murdered by a male partner or family member worldwide.
Andrea ain't projecting sh*t. You on the other hand...
Wow.
YES !!!
2:25 pm CST
April 20, 2024
Charity Crouse
What did she mean by fifty years?
*cough cough*
I admire Jodi Arias for what she did
Didn't this comment have 10 likes at first? Even though what she did might seem crazy, she was still a victim.
Hey can you tell me more about this bc I’ve only heard of Jodi arias from men’s perspectives who paint her as a crazy ex girlfriend and I wanna know what the real story was
@@rustykey9009 sure! The real story was that she was clearly a romantic. All of her boyfriend's cheated on her or weren't serious. So she had hoped Travis would be the one. He treated her like a girlfriend behind closed doors, but in public he'd hide it. She would go up to him to hold his hand and would shake it off, like he didn't know her. He also cheated on her and abused her. He just used her as his bootycall. It's just so sad. I really feel for Jodi on what that torment was like. I'm glad she did what she did.
Allison F wow what the fuck. Not surprised. Jodi carrying on Aileen wuornos’s work honestly
Jodi Arias is a psychopath and deserves the death penalty
Some passages from Andrea Dworkin's Chapter 9 of Woman Hating.
incest: "The parent-child relationship is primarily erotic because all human relationships are primarily erotic. The incest taboo is a particularized form of repression, one which functions as the bulwark of all the other repressions. The incest taboo ensures that however free we become, we never become genuinely free. The incest taboo, because it denies us essential fulfillment with the parents whom we love with our primary energy, forces us to internalize those parents and constantly seek them, or seek to negate them, in the minds, bodies, and hearts of other humans who are not our parents and never will be. The incest taboo does the worst work of the culture: it teaches us the mechanisms of repressing and internalizing erotic feeling-it forces us to develop those mechanisms in the first place; it forces us to particularize sexual feeling, so that it congeals into a need for a particular sexual “object”; it demands that we place the nuclear family above the human family. The destruction of the incest taboo is essential to the development of cooperative human community based on the free-flow of natural androgynous eroticism."
bestiality: "Primary bestiality (fucking between people and other animals) is found in all nonindustrial societies. Secondary bestiality (generalized erotic relationships between people and other animals) is found everywhere on the planet, on every city street, in every rural town. Bestiality is an erotic reality, one which clearly places people in nature, not above it. The relationship between people and other animals, when nonpredatory, is always erotic since its substance is nonverbal communication and touch. That eroticism in its pure form is life-affirming and life-enriching was sufficient reason to make bestiality a capital crime in the Dark Ages, at least for the nonhuman animal; sufficient reason for the English in the Dark Ages to con fuse sheep and Jews." and also "Needless to say, in androgynous community, human and other-animal relationships would become more explicitly erotic, and that eroticism would not degenerate into abuse. Animals would be part of the tribe and, with us, respected, loved, and free. They always share our fate, whatever it is."
pedophilia: "As for children, they too are erotic beings, closer to androgyny than the adults who oppress them. Children are fully capable of participating in community, and have every right to live out their own erotic impulses. In androgynous community, those impulses would retain a high degree of nonspecificity and would no doubt show the rest of us the way into sexual self- realization. The distinctions between “children” and “adults,” and the social institutions which enforce those distinctions, would disappear as androgynous community develops."
“Dworkin's work from the early 1980s onward contained frequent condemnations of incest and pedophilia as one of the chief forms of violence against women, arguing that "Incest is terrifically important in understanding the condition of women. It is a crime committed against someone, a crime from which many victims never recover."[104][105] In the early 1980s she had a public row with her former friend Allen Ginsberg over his support for child pornography and pedophilia, in which Ginsberg said "The right wants to put me in jail," and Dworkin responded "Yes, they're very sentimental; I'd kill you."[106] When Hustler published the claim that Dworkin advocated incest in 1985, Dworkin sued them for defamatory libel; the court dismissed Dworkin's complaint on the grounds that whether the allegations were true or false, a faulty interpretation of a work placed into the "marketplace of ideas" did not amount to defamation in the legal sense.[99]”
@@blinkypushbuttons So why did she write, condemningly, of the "incest taboo" if she was so againt it? Sure she hated Allen Ginsberg but that wasn't because of pdf that was because he was a man.
You think if I am being attacked I won't strike back because I trust the law?
Of course the law works, otherwise it would've been hell. That doesn't take away the fact that the systems are flawed, because they're run and led by flawed humans.
There's always going to be someone that will break the law, any type of law,
and that includes women as well.
She acts like raYpe is something unique to all males
@@amadiohastruck4331 It is.
@@meowy4720
Stupidity is something that is unique to all females⸮
Wtf is wrong with the comment section
What was the broader context to the question? I ask because her answer seems to go off on a tangent.
Agghhhh the video where my hOT wife says she prefers violence 🥵🤤🙏🏼🙏🏼
How dare you objectify her like that you sick fuck
Dworkin was insane.
Cope harder scrote
you moids are pathetic but entertaining
Dworkin is a feminazi. "Death to all men" eh?
@@Monarch_Prime She never said that, she lived in a house with a gay man for many years, and they really liked each other. Her words are motivated by her own suffering and the suffering of other sisters in the hands of men as a class, an entire group of people *systematically attacking* another group! If you were attacked by a class of people *constantly*, with no end in sight, would you not be very upset, angry and possibly even declare war against them at some point, when everything else seems to fail?
Adrea was an inspirational, brave, highly lucid sister that will always be a feminist beacon for women all over the world. We need more sisters like her.
"ShE wAs FaT, HuRr HuRr" So what? She was also 100% correct, which is why all her detractors can do is call her insane or fat. Meaningless insults. Women don't exist to be objects of your desire, nor do we care if we are. Getting off to a woman being dehumanized and raped makes men far more insane than Andrea could ever be. You're mad she called men out on their bullshit, simply put.
A very dangerous woman preaching very evil ideas.
Why is self defense from attacks violence? Or is because its defense from a male?
your inferior chromosome is showing
@@superhetoric Two replies so far, yours and "Beep Boop Bot"'s, neither of which constitutes any kind of meaningful response to, or coherent commentary upon, my original post.
onion sister Funny how the Y chromosome is actually the one that emerged as a mistake, and every organism starts off as female but say I’ll let you gibber on about whatever lets you cope with having XY syndrome
@@superhetoric Love that! :)