How To Secure a Timber Frame To a Subfloor
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I have personally made the mistake Jesse is making, not "drying in" fast enough. The beautiful wood will silver and gray in 1-3 months. OSB and drywall will look like hell in a hurry.
They are only two people, I get it. But this might be a time to get some help, take on some debt, etc. You can't pause here.
Structural insulated panels (SIPs) are a high performance building and the panels and usually consist of an insulating foam core sandwiched between two structural facings, typically oriented strand board. I love your videos and am always happy to see what you are doing. It also surprises me how man thumb downs you get. I think the fact that you are making videos that I enjoy is all you need to do to get a positive response. Thanks for sharing!
Take heart, you have completed nearly all the ground work, all the basement structural works and you have the frame up. To top it all off you two have virtually done all the hard graft by yourselves with a little support every now and again. Next phase is sip panels windows and roof to make it watertight (i know there are a lot of things in that but if you dwell on the small things you loose track of the bigger things). You guys are great, fun and wonderful people but dont forget to have some of your icecream :) merry christmas and happy new year
Jesse, the frame looks great. I suggest that you discuss your procedure of shimming the posts with your engineer.
Probably tough emotionally to get moving again. The timber frame raising was epic!!
So glad to hear about how the Timber Frame ties into the sub floor and platform. An important feature, and interesting to see how you approach that detail. Timber Frame looks beautiful.
Won't the water seeping through the warmboard gradually damage the manufactured beams that support the floor?
!Outstanding! I did construction in high school decades ago, and its absolutely amazing to you ATTACKING this project. Keep up the great work and thanks so much for bringing us along. (I'm still proud of the house I built in HS, so I can only imagine how proud you both will be.)
Those screws are sooo nice. Back in the early 80s I helped my friend put up a pole frame house and we used 14" barn nails that were twisted. Whacking those in with a sledge hammer was NO fun. It's nice to see that technology has helped in certain ways but the tradition still carries on. Keep up the work, it's looking good.
I am so proud of the both of you.
You guys are doing great.
that timber frame is an AWESOME background for vids. Once you finish the house, you should make another frame just for a background (grin).
I love you're taking such care to conserve and reuse you materials. Not at all common in construction these days.
It is good practice to add bracing before removing the old bracing to help prevent unwanted movement.
THANKS FOR SHARING JESSE.....
After all of your hard work and stress, the finished frame is beautiful!
you know whats really amazing is that you as a couple have tortured yourself thru this process and what you guys are doing together is unreal because relationships don't survive under this much stress but you have proven this wrong and that there is still hope thank you for sharing and happy xmas
Looks great!
I almost always watch your videos on my smart TV and it is nigh to impossible to "like" a video with its clunky interface. I try to get on a computer from time to time and give a few thumbs up and leave a comment. Every time I see the frame in a video, I smile really big for yall. This channel is definitely in my top 5 subscriptions. Keep it up guys! I continue to be impressed with your willingness to endure AND learn so many new skill sets for all this.
I agree Benton, these two are special ones indeed
We just had trusses placed on our new build this past week. The framers used a crane. Having seen your Timber frame go up so sturdy, I couldn't help but laugh at the wobble and bend of our trusses. I thought they would snap. We look forward to your build.
I love watching these videos. My husband and I are addicted.
Having your camera setup on the corner of your floor plan gives a nice view of the timber structure. It's very nice.
Like most viewers, what I enjoy most is your honesty in the thought process of building. So many such projects seem to appear from nowhere, like it was all figured out, a done deal as you would say. Like most I wish you both the very best of luck in doing something many would love to do, it just takes courage, and a hell of a lot of work. Years ago I built a small barn from donated used timbers and the 'Barn Raising' was the most memorable day ever. Not quite on your scale but friends and family who I had previously donated time to helping all turned up and assisted in the very best way. Thank you so much for your videos and a Happy New Year.
Great job Jesse!
Hurricane straps are a must. Very easy to install.
Merry Christmas! This is a good video to watch at the end of Christmas Day. Thank you.
Thanks for explaining how the frame will fasten down. That had me curious.
Merry Christmas!
Yeah Alyssa, you rock. Video editing as a sideline. Nice short to the point video. Thanks Jessie.
Great video!
Great progress guys. Greetings from Andreas on Off Grid Sweden
Normally reputable window manufacturers can make any standard size window. Architects draw window in the plans without looking at specific companies for this reason. Seems like making a big deal out of nothing.
Custom vs. Std = $$$
jessie you guys are doing a great job dont rush things , burnout is not fun and has ruined more family's then you could shake a stick at. Between you two you will get all the little stuff done in time . keep up the great job
If it was me I'd get a crew and dry it in as soon as possible, or the color on that wood will get decimated and ruined, that beautiful look will be Dark Silver Dingy Grey by the time spring comes, Good luck and I pray It works out for you.
been sealed
John I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess You have no real life experience with green timber
when the elements are at work, left exposed it will turn, unless it was dried first prior to treatment
with what ? ice cream?
lol have you watched their videos? nothing gets done unless someone else comes to do it .!
Can you point to the videos showing someone else milling all those logs to size?
Looking good guys
good to see your a little rested.......folks......seasons greetings to you all
I loved you when you drummed for Genesis!
loving it moving right along thank you for letting me come on your journey by the way did you fix the battery problem on the front end loader a friend of mine decided we would put a solar panel on top of his like the one you put in the window of a car and plug into the cigarette lighter to keep the battery up when he's not using it thank you and keep up the great videos
Cool you guys are using SIPS Panels. I have been looking into those recently.
Thanks for the correction. I had a totally wrong idea on what SIP panels were like.
Hope you enjoyed your Christmas Day
My question is how will you heat I know tubing & radiant but will it be a wood fired outside hot water heater/boiler ? We heat here with one and have for near 20 yrs now 110 volts & a couple circulation pumps plus we heat or potable hot water as well when it's running. Think about a circulation loop for hot water to help upper story hot water sources. Great job you should be proud of your accomplishments. 3F here at 8am 12/26/2017 in the Extreme NW Corner of Ohio an toasty warm.
YAY... for the framing so far! Are you going to install something to keep everything from blowing away, especially the roof, in case of a monsoon wind? Keep going, love watching these! Stay safe in this snowy weather!
Merry Christmas, you might want to shear up your frame with plywood as soon as possible. I know you know this lol. You have a work of art! Great job!
So that is what's holding up SIP roofing and siding - thanks. Amazing how many details there are - but you two are plowing ahead and will get there before you realize it.
Nick Wiese: Hi Jesse - I was involved a few years ago with 8"foam panels for most of the walls, for windows I made a 3/4 jamb of wood using a biscut joiner & clamps. so the hole we cut for the windows had to be 1 1/2" larger, as we could not mount them in foam and trim out later. The tab of course could be on the outside and trim it out? Please note there are standard size door replacement glass, but no angles! they cost a lot less than custom sizes, we set em on hard rubber blocks and I sealed em with caulk as I put em in. so it all trimed out nice! It is good to have at least one window to open in a room area, in case of fire so you can get out. doors are tempered glass, I am very proud you all have stuck with it! Good Job! Nick
Hi From Spokane. Question. Since there was no age drying of the wood and as far as I have seen, beside the oiling at assembly is wood warp a concern with all the moisture/freeze/ice? Have really been enjoying the build and looking forward to the sip panels.
Pella Windows!!! Glad to see you are catching your breath and getting reorganized.
You guys are doing great. Hang in there. Everything is a lesson learned. By the what gloves are you using?
Dont go cheap on windows or insulation they will pay for themselves in no time. The difference made by doing these two things in my 150+yr old home was unbelievable! Triple pane windows are a must!
Lance Ladewig : Agreed. I went around my old house and foamed/calked every crack/opening. Worst culprit was the vent above the stove. When i foamed that the kitchen suddenly got a lot warmer. LOL MY propane suppler wanted to know why I cut back on my order.
Not to mention the SIP's they're using are top of the line so why not complete that envelope with triple panes. Yes they're expensive but as i said before they pay for themselves. If this werent their forever home it might not be the best choice...
I ended up going with the tilt in/removable sashes, you can just lay them down and clean them The self cleaning glass would be better for them at least on the front.
Can you use two of the long hand rail boards on the inside of the frames to maintain squareness then remove the outside boards? Just wondering.
I would feel much better with ten metal straps (1/4" x 4" x 48") holding the Timber Frame on the outside to the concrete foundation walls. Was concerned in November about how the Timber Frame was connected to the foundation and how the weight was transferred to the sill plates. Hope that a safety rope has replaced the safety railing around the first floor, don't want anyone falling off of it. So glad that no serious injuries on the build. Stay safe...
I agree totally. There are tons of ways to secure that top frame to the to the foundation walls. You could even bolt angle brackets between the posts. It will all be hidden.
Long winded my butt, this is the part I enjoy! Keep on keeping on!
And you just turned 12, Good For You!
Jessie: Major concern on psf load on the warm board at the posts. I see future crushing of the foam core and load transfer to sip and any interior drywall paneling which will then buckle over time that will cause bulging and cracking. I also think Simpson ties or strapping between post and rim joist for both horizontal and earthquake load is needed before sip panels go on.
I was thinking the same...I'm surprised they just didn't notch the warm boards to fit the post, maybe it has something to do with the integrity of the product... agreed with the ties but maybe it's coming.
David Brown, the warm boards are made with OSB, (no foam)
They're 1-1/8 plywood, not OSB.
Ryan Smith
I stand corrected, though I doubt they will crush any significant amount :)
What, then, is the green stuff? Plastic??
Thanks for explaining the way you’re going to connect your sips I was shaking my head the last video good luck
I'm just about to the point that I need to pay attention to my playlists I been adding your videos, Wranlestars and a couple others to my playlist called "Survival" so I have a todo list also.May our Father in heaven bless you and your family for inviting everyone to view y'alls progress.
Could you cover your 'floor' with billboard fabric.... to keep it dry and stop the leaks to the garage below? Thanks for sharing this journey. Merry Christmas.
Todd Haver , it was explained in the video why a roof hasn't been installed at this time. To do so at this time wouldn't be advisable due to the sail effect. Watch the video again.
with the shelter workshop, what do they do with the structure and wood when they're done, is it expensive to do it, did their build cost more for the students than their usual class
As a young architect from Colombia, this type of construction is completely strange to me. I've been learning alongside your videos. Since the pour of the foundation walls or the installation of the sill plates ive wondered how the connection of the timber frame to the joists or the exterior SIP would be. This video answered a lot of questions i had throughout past videos, very interested in those details. Would be nice to see you guys explain from the construction details or graphically, to understand how its put together.
You two certainly deserved some time together aside from the house. Glad you did that. Now it’s time for ice cream! 🙂
Hey Jessie I follow why you chose to build a timber frame and cover it with SIPs can you explain ( in 10 mins or more) why you chose this when you could have just built with SIPs and less timber and have it dried in with good project planning in day two weeks from delivery of SIPs and windows on site. I think the is a huge achievement for you both. Over winter when you get time build some temporary stairs will make life less of a Hassel than using ladder. Merry Xmas.
In truth, using your experience as an example of what to do better. :)
From your experience, there are many things I would do different. Not that I could have done better, without your story as a guide. Learning a lot from your videos.
well I must of forgot about you two/ now I have to back and rewatch all your videos
I've been installing Pella Windows since 1997 and I would definitely recommend them
Merry Christmas and keep it up looking good
You will do it! Thanks for sharing.
Great v'log ! Will the slip walls go out the outside of the frame or in between them, so the thick beam post can be seen from either side? If between how will you seal it to keep out weather or bugs? I guess it's too late to ask but are you planning a nice porch or deck off the side? Has the I-beams been damaged from all the water? It's always been my experience that pressed wood starts to come apart if it's wet for too long.Thanks for sharing the building process with us, if I ever do this myself I'm learning what to do and more important what not to do. Just a though, it looks like there will be a great room over the one end. Will there be a fireplace? A great room needs a great fireplace to set it off.
SIP panels go on the outside.
Put the roof on. Walls gettr dunn and thanks for getting the close ups again 😁
Structural Insulated Panel Panels
I am a fan of your adventure, but confused about a few things. In regards to the frame, why wasn’t the frame dropped into pockets to stand on top of the sill plate versus on the warmboard? Secondly, why use the screws versus wood pegs? Just thinking there were reasons why to do what you did.
I would strap the shit out of anything and everything that is not exposed/visible!
Christian Geiselmann you must have missed the video showing the sill being attached to the concrete walls
great job guys !! Merry Christmas xxx
Gday. what is the cad/home software?
I see your tarp is keeping the rain out of the basement about as well as ours is. Ahhhh, the joys of building a house by yourself. lol
I have a old barn that is timber building and the sill sit on rock foundation. The old barn is not fastened down to the rock foundation. The weight of any build what keeps them there and the wind bra
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Bracing in the barn keep it from moving.
Building a house by themselves? Did you not see their parent's working the saw mill? Or Did you miss the framing crew being filmed?
Basically I meant not professional builders that can get a house up and weathered in a few weeks time.
I noticed that you end up with a pile of screws at the end of each project. To help keep then collect and out of your tiers.
Get the cheapest baking pan (steel) put a magnet in the middle and use it to hold all the screws/ nails you remove.
You can also add a magnet to a new screw bucket in case of spills.
You guys are awesome! love the videos, cant wait to see the SIP panels up. I cant wait to start on mine. its only gonna be 24' square.
OSB (I joists) + Plywood (WarmBoard) + Saturation from constant exposure to rain = a.) Delamination b.) Mold c.) Rot d.) Disintegration.
Well the warmboard was rated for like 1 year of total exposure to the elements. Don't underestimate plywood. I myself was wondering more about how the warmboard can carry that weight as the posts seem to be directly placed on them (even though under that warmboard the correct load-bearing materials were used).
Marine grade....
It's a solid layer under the post.
Merry Christmas guys. May you be blessed and best wishes.
All these structural engineers in the comments section is astounding. Let's see what yall have built or some credentials other than constant shit talking. That aside, Jesse and Alyssa, you guys keep kicking and continuing to be an inspiration to many.
Whole lot of talk... Still don't see any proof
Christian Geiselmann Wow you're obviously not that intelligent, so from you I don't expect anything. But someone with half a brain could deduce that links can be posted in comment sections. Links to other websites/videos containing anything that could be conceived as confirmation for your terrific building skills
Sorry but how often do you heat hot tube by firewoods I mean are you doing anything for the water could not be frozen when the Winter is cold? (sorry for my English, friends)
I think I've missed it but is the timber frame just sitting on the warmboard with a couple of toe nails? How is it secured? just sheer weight?
Listen to this video again - he tells you what he has done to fasten the frame to the warm-board.
Merry Christmas, wonderful videos!
oooh black ops Jessie. I like the hat :)
You weren't kidding about the extra sill needed. My sympathies on installation. The SIP should be easy with a crane and a man basket. Yeah windows are a big PITA with the specs, that's why there are lots of orphan windows. Same installation crane and man basket. Have fun.
May I recommend Peppermint tea as a beverage while working in the cold? That is how we Germans make it through working outside in the cold and Gluh wein for an alcoholic beverage.
I was wondering if you would put the boards that keep everything square on the inside of your structure (say from timber to timber), so you can work on the outside and not have to worry about the square. Of course on the other hand noting how perfect and tight the joints were on the frame would you have to be concerned about it anyway?
i dont think you would want to do that. they are on the outside to minimize the holes in the timbers on the inside from the screws.
I'm curious what's transferring the load of the timber frame to the ICFs. Is it just sitting on wormboard then osb I-joist, with osb rim boards around the perimeter? And that is transferring the load to pressure treated 4x12s on the ICF? Seems like a lot of weight on wet OSB, kinda sketchy
offtherichter7, they put squash blocks under the bearing points to keep the load from crushing the joists.
Nope its a perfect design....designed by engineers, its build specific.
offtherichter7, back of the envelope calculations put the compressive stress on the OSB at below 300psi, so assuming my rough approximations didn't miss something the boards should be well within design guidelines.
Oh I didn’t see the squash blocks. Still seems like you would want those the same dimensions of posts, 6x8 I think. So it’s a solid timber-to-icf connection. But I’m no professional. Layer all the wet osb in there you want! Engineering power!
offtherichter7, the posts are oversized for the Fc(perp) condition, so the squash blocks sandwiching the joist should give adequate bearing surface and protect the joist from direct loading.
What did you and Alyssa do in your off-time? What are your hobbies? It would be nice to get to know you a little more than 'those two that work all the time'. :)
Well done you two xden france
Now that you have that handrail down, you can put up the scaffolding all around that you should have had since the concrete was poured. Place it low enough to not interfere with the sips and it will greatly speed construction and safety. You have a ton of rough lumber to use and no more time pressure from the workshop.
doesn't make sense to me to remove those hand rails WEEKS before any SIPs are going up. I mean, if they weren't going to be up there at all, then sure, go ahead and remove. But since they will be up, and it's wet, and a long fall, would seem to make sense to keep them.
Is the warm board designed to carry such a concentrated load like the posts? One would think wood on wood would be more structurally sound.
Yes, 30,000lbs per sq "
Go look at the video where they install the subfloor (warm board). It's solid wood where the post sits. Wall frames are usually fastened through subfloors. So it stands to reason that a post can also be fastened this way too.
Jedidiah, you sure on 30,00psi? The documentation I saw rates it as just another APA rated panel, which would be in the 300-500psi range.
Great vid guys loving the work and looks good can’t wait till it’s done
Merry Christmas to you both
How did the radiant floor hold up against the cold, snow, and water? Any damage? We're looking into installing them ourselves...
Still lots of snow and cold to come.
Get 2 tarps over that really nice fram for now ...keep things dry , like your fire wood
A video without Alyssa is like a day without sunshine. 🙂
Merry Christmas you two!! Hope you had a wonderful day!
Merry Christmas guys.
Thanks for sharing. The house looks awesome. In a perfect world, you go with what's available.
I have never heard the road noise before like on this video. Is the sound more line of site direct now that you are higher? Will this be a problem later when you are living in the upper portion?
I noticed the road noise also. That would suck if the acoustics changed because their above the tree tops
With insulation in the walls and double pane windows it will be better!
Praying for you both Merry Christmas