Can We Make The Worst Commanders Good? | Commander Clash S15E12
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Richard having a turn 1 Sol Ring not knowing it's banned is the most Richard thing to ever happen.
I like to think Seth has an innate advantage considering he used to be infamous for never casting his Commander
The strongest deck I ever owned was a Skeleton Ship commander deck, back when Hinder and Spell Crumple could force commanders into the library.
Seth using Vesuva to copy war room, only to draw his own war room at EOT with monarch 😂
Crim chose the perfect week to bring group slug 😂
Dont you mean bring stax :P?
@@DeathWolf121 2 damage is worse than drannith
Soon as Seth admitted to being "sorta stormy" threat has been reassessed 😅
Seth's first few spells got me hyped that he was running a Warp World list, but then I remembered he was just gonna feed his cmdr
I was so excited to see the Permeating Mass hidden commander. Very sad that it didn't get to pop off
What's exciting about it? Just gets wrathed, right?
@@jeffe2267 You must be fun at parties
Of course two of those commanders were from the original Kamigawa
Fun game! Lol next theme should be building decks around the "clash" mechanic 😂
Varchild's War-Riders was "playable" before they did an errata on how the tokens are created. It used to be you could get all the tokens back with Brand because you would create them but now your opponents create them.
Yeah, I had a super janky deck with Varchild's Warriders and Isochron Scepter+Brand. It was really fun to play.
War-Riders is also maybe the only creature where Rampage is justified, because it means that your opponent can't kill it by blocking with 4 Survivor tokens
If I were Richard, I would've jumped on the same deal as Crim and agreed to take 9 elementals from Seth as long as he doesn't attack me that turn. This is knowing Seth is tapped out and a board wipe would put everyone at a low life total (but would kill Seth). So this leaves Tomer the only one open for attacks. If Tomer survives, he would take care of Crim's burn pieces out of honor (though some could argue the change in board state is reason enough not to honor the deal). Either Tomer dies from the attack or Richard's boardwipe would finish the job. If the burn pieces stay, Richard's only problem would be Crim but he's low on cards cards and the Pyrohemia might just finish the job with gauntlet still on the board.
Agreed. I think it was correct of Crim to take the elementals and king make Seth, considering he would be losing all his enchantments on Tomer's turn. Richard could've made the same deal and pray that he could top deck an answer to deal with the aftermath and not die right away. But regardless it was a fun game to watch the chaos lol
@@Sinistra359 Agreed. Crim makes some salt decisions but that was the only correct play he had a chance with. I feel like the table is too quick to call his moves kingmaking. Honestly, he might've won if his draws didn't absolutely bomb after that.
Sol Ring is so strong even the banlist couldn't exile it XD
Wrong Gimli in thumbnail lol
Really fun guys, I appreciate the effort on trying new ideas and all. But your content is really entertaining no matter what!
Keep it going!
Richard having a Crawlspace but not a Silent Arbiter. Such a forgotten card, but it does good work!
Fun fact: Rampaging ferocidons is the only card to have gotten unbanned in standard
Seth playing my namesake card was not on the things i ever expected to happen
I think tomer missed the mono-red memo
Shimatsu was going to be my first pick but I'm glad I settled on Iname! I really liked how the deck turned out :)
lol @ The War Room draw.
🎶 Red, glorious red, sweet burning and jaaaank 🎶
I love Crim’s deck. Red prison is one of my favorites.
I love the new intros! Super sweet
Anyone know what deck Crim ran to completely Stax the table. I have been trying to remember to rewatch that week.
Really fun game! I just hate the "Kingmaker" argument. Seth didn't even win, and Crim had a beneficial deal, hoping Seth would kill Tomer. Since they just made a deal to destroy all the enchantments.
To argue against that, why would he assume that when there's a mutual beneficial deal between the two. Granted I don't think he king make considering he was losing his board and needed SOMETHING. Him being confused as to why he's being targeted when he's playing these semi stacks pieces is baffling.
Tomer will never pass up the opportunity to complain
Super fun video !
So sad that the broken goad messed up tomers combo, His commander putting everything in his hand, and the myojin putting everything on the battlefield.
Richard pretending he didn't know Sol Ring has been house banned for years, hilarious.
why did richard refuse to be tempted? Had he accepted Seth would have killed Tomer and die to the backswing
I played Shimatsu for our local Budget Commander League and had a LOT of fun, its just hard to get enough permanents for an early win.
~~Goad's text is specifically "until your next turn" so it's not even a bug, gotta say it's not very intuitive though. So basically killing Richard made it so he couldn't take his next turn thus not allowing the goaded creatures to lose goad.~~
Edit: hadn't seen the video edit yet x)
Richard: turn one sol ring
The table: delete this
Best opening! Clash on
The best way to demonstrate you've made bad Commanders good is to play them against good Commanders. Otherwise, you've just proven who is the best of the worst.
Great game!
Errmm, the thumbnail has the wrong commander for Richard
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really surprised seth isn't running gerrard's hourglass pendant
Richard not knowing the house ban list for his own channel. I'm dying.
You guys are perfect to watch at work 😂 you guys just have the best banter all other channels sound so staged (except the profs but y’all funnier)
Lrrmtg and MTG the stack are also pretty solid
I own a Kodama of the Center Tree spirit tribal deck.
Even with zero counters, as long as it's toughness is above zero, you can continue to make spirits (10 dmg, with no counters will make 10 spirits)
You mean sekki seasons past?
@@TheMadManHimself
Oops, no I mean Sekki seasons guide. Thanks for catching my mistake
I unironically love Crims deck. I might have to build a similar deck now. Maybe with Zo-Zu as the commander.
The prof made a deck tech years ago that’s pretty similar
It probably wouldn't be *good*, but it'd be *funny* if Seth's deck played Over The Top.
"Am I going to die to a Spirit?" rofl
When has misery been off the menu..? 😅
Does anyone know where they found the EDHREC list for the worst commanders?
I liked the red deck! ;)
I can't wait for Phil to come back
Richard "I never play mana rocks" Codfather, playing a turn 1 Sol Ring.
I think fully charging the shatterskull smashing would have been better. The second line of doubling the paid amount would have basically been a board wipe. X being 13, doubled to 26 could have dealt with a all of the problem pieces from all three players
Shatterskull only targets up to 2 creatures
Does Soul ring fit the theme of making bad commanders look good?
I was super excited to see crim bring jeska, my favorite magic card ever, until I saw the episode tittle haha
I can't tell you how many times Glacial Crevasses has saved my ass playing mono red control with Starke of Rath as the commander lol. Card is so good in casual commander. It's literally let me win the game from behind soooo many times because my opponents just couldn't hit me.
Non - green Lands and graveyards are my favorite thing in commander and that has taught me to always include hate for those archetypes because they are both powerful.
Isn't it fun that most of those are mono red 😂
I think shinen in a lot of voltron decks could be pretty good.
I have a mono green spirits deck with bounteous kieran,. fun but terrible, won 1 game out of 50 I played with it, and that was due to drawing like 70 cards over the course of the game lmao, also no spirit creatures in the deck lmao
idk if y'all will replicate this in weeks without 3 mono red decks, but this was my ideal game length.
How did crim get ahold of my Kaervek the Merciless decklist? Cuz this is it....
To be fair, if you want to make the worst commanders look good, a turn one Sol Ring WOULD do that. Richard just out here trying to take the quickest route to achieve the objective.
Richard has the right idea, maybe they unleash Sol Ring and company to help the decks out this week lol
New podcast is spellshock stax
Wait did they put the wrong Gimli in the thumbnail!?
Eight years ago I posted my jeska edh deck. It breaks my heart seeing her listed amongst the worst commanders 😞
As a diehard Isperia, Supreme Judge player, I think I feel your pain.
Crim: "They're not stax pieces. Stop filling the internet's *inaudible* with incorrect info."
Crim, I'll let you know we are chat. We are not so easily persuaded by what the internet tells us.
Now please carry on and explain us why you are playing all those red stax pieces.
The game is titled, oops all pain.
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" it's mono-R week (wait? What? it's NOT mono-R week?). Will Tomer cheat again on mono-R week with mono-G or will Crim show everyone that the true power of grixis is just red mana? Tune-in to find out!
I don't think it's a coincidence that mono red, the color with the worst card draw and ramp, is over represented at the table of the worst commanders.
I'm always here for Crim just playing a troll deck. Makes for very amusing games.
God I love a cold open.
"Never played a color that needed Sol Ring"
_Richard, 2023_
Same I don't play it often because it doesn't add coloured Mana for my mainly 3+ colour decks
Wish you all played a second. Felt the decks were spot on equal
The thumbnail has the wrong Gimli lolllll
This was great. I love lower-powered games.
I'm 1min into the show and I see Tomer's spicy Moyjin, and I'm all here for it!!
Crim saying he was 1 in 92...
It made me feel like I was turning into dust.
Why.
Why must the truth hurt like this?
So sad seth folded big time and didnt cast his commander nor realize the blocker tomer had….or the maze of ith withthe vesuva. We could have seen a 20/20 shimatsu which would have been epic; swing out at richard, then sac the tokens after.
Didn't Richard already try that with Sol Ring this season?
I feel like none of these are truly 'the worst' of the options, what of everyone's favorite Kasimir, the Lone Wolf, probably the actual worst Commander ever? What about Morinfen? There are some real stinkers out there, none of these really hinder you, I feel like calling these the worst is blatant cheating. That said, if people knew what Crim was on they'd be running Orim, Samite Healer as Commander to soak up the damage, she's such a cool card, I cracked one in one of the very few packs I bought, such a thrill to crack an actual Legend, and one that was part of the story! I eventually traded it in because it really wasn't a very good card, but I later got another copy to replace it, and I had lots of fun using it in my jankier games.
I was shocked to find a Varchild's War Riders in a binder at a store back in the early 00s, 1R for a 3/4 Trample Rampage 1 was unheard of value, even today it'd be one of the best creatures ever printed in Red if it didn't come with that cumulative upkeep, and as noted, if people throw those chumps in front of this, they just die meaninglessly, it's too bad it's Rampage is so low that you can't really afford to throw a Lure on it. TBH I bet the card sucked back in the day, but who knows in an aggro enough deck if it could do work? What if you used the snow Pestilence, then you can repeatedly kill blockers while swinging with a relatively large beater? That said, I'm guessing Pestilence itself would also be in this 'Standard' (...type 1? feel free to waste your time correcting me if it's type 2, it's pretty much 50/50 iirc), as well as Pains for duals, so you could maybe pull this off.
Crim needed Rite of the Raging Storm and Thieves' Auction, either of those has big synergy with his deck, Auction lets you ship all your universal effect permanents away to others in 'exchange' for the best stuff on the board, it's very sweet. It's the kind of card that makes everyone wish the game would never end, because they're worried someone is going to walk off with their Mana Crypt because 'Woopsies!', there are no downsides to play Thieves' Auction on MTGO, right?
I had Glacial Crevasses in a Vorthos deck, but eventually decided that it didn't technically fit since there was no relevant recent glaciation in the region. The card is also pretty bad, but technically in a deck like Crim's it'd do a fair bit of work fwiw, I was also using it in a Stax deck (but mine was a Vigilance stax deck, the most fun kind of deck! Hooray for Stasis Orb!).
Where is the new sliver week?
Even modo thinks seth should have copied Maze of Ith. He drew his own War Room on monarch trigger right after deploying Vesuva.
I've built terrible decks with three of these commanders so I'm okay with whoever wins or ends the game in a draw : D
Of course Crim played Stax....
It's called group slug you...content creators!
So Green > Red ?
And it was the greatest cold open😂
3 mono red decks on the week of “worst commanders”? ok I guess 😅
Why did you had to restart 6 times?
We try to have everyone start with a functional hand, if someone mulligans below six we restart rather than having one person at a big disadvantage (either that or Richard plays Sol Ring...)
@@MTGGoldfishCommander When you deckbuild for the show, do you have in consideration the fact you can restart games to smothen hands? Like running fewer lands or something like that
Yeah, i agree that the deck Crim was playing was basically the red version of a stax deck. The answer to everything for red is more fire.
Zounds! Curses! I've been had!
These aren't even close to the worst commanders.
All of these actually DO things and don't have any downsides.
Middling for sure.
Bad I will also grant you.
But how can they be the WORST when there are commanders like...
Tobias Andrion that does literal nothing.....
Tivadar of Thorn which is dependent on your opponents running goblins and lacks any way to turn them into goblins...
or Yukora the Prisoner which makes you sacrifice all your creatures if it ever LTBs (excepting any mono black ogres which are... mostly bad)?
You can use Yukora with Assault Suit and a way to bounce flicker it to wrath your opponent's board. Still not very good but at least interesting.
WAR RIDERS YEAHHHHHH
I have that thing in like 5 of my decks it's goated
@@jarvvoitlus9458 Seeing that AND Glacial Crevasses made me smile so much hahaha. Crevasses has literally won me a ton of games because of its dominance and it's saved my ass from death from so many others. It's such a good sleeper card I'm surprised people don't know about it and/or use it more.
Lol Tomers politics leveling up. King of deflection himself, he's now deflecting by pointing out other people's deflecting. 😂 gg Tomer
I wish the organic banter in the old intros was back. Coupled with the music, it feels too manufactured
I put Sol Rings in Commander decks that it helps to play my commander for the first time.
I don’t see any Phage decks. 0/10. Never touch again.
Crim is a treasure :D
I'm sorry what? lol 3 mono red decks? what the hell is this
Whoa tomer faked his Deck two weeks in a row? Surprise surprise :/
Red has a few really powerful commander cards but overall, going to have a hot take, red has the worst commander cards as a color card pool. Don’t get me wrong some of the best cards are red, but if we rated all cards 1-10 on power level in the format and took the average score for all colors, I believe red would have the lowest score.
Soft stax piece is still stax piece, it's pointless to argue it's not one, instead convince it's not strong as it's a soft piece. Crim overuses denying to the point noone believes in anything he says, deception is useless if noone believes in it.
Alright. So if you want to showcase making viable jank, do a season where the winner builds a jank deck for the next week and you have to play a jank deck with the normal decks.
Oh man. Week after week, they keep playing STAX. SMH
oh suddenly crim is saying blockers are good? didnt he just say on another episodes that blockers are trash? weird
Can ya'll ask Seth not to flick his cards when he is the viewpoint. Gives me quite the headache and might make it that I have to stop watching the games when he is the viewpoint. Thanks!