The first Dutch Shepherd I ever "met" was one owned by my mother, in Holland, more than 60 years ago. Back then they were really, really rare and I certainly had never seen one before, not even in Holland. But my mother was the first one who I ever heard talking about the extreme intelligence of Dutch Shepherds, and how in her view it was their most "dangerous" feature! She said that if you did NOT fully realise from the beginning how intelligent they were, they would take advantage of you and it would take very little time to basically ruin your relationship with the dog forever because you'd be likely to make crucial mistakes. I remember her telling me that she always felt as if her dog was constantly evaluating HER, instead of the other way around. On Dutch farms, it was common for Dutch Shepherds to control large flocks (sheep mostly, in those days) completely independently. They'd guard the flock all day, then take them back to the farm in the evening, independently without human involvement, stay with the animals during the night, and then take them out again in the morning, without human involvement, stay with them all day and bring them back to the farm at night. Etc. They'd do this for weeks on end, making their own decisions without any human oversight. THAT's the background of the apparent "wilfulness" of Dutch Shepherds. They're bred to be independent, evaluate situations and act accordingly. There isn't another breed like it on the planet.
Nice discription of the breed. I especially ike the story of there herding in regards to working indipendently. Explains a lot in regards to there nature..
Update on Ace - I have gotten him involved in playing some of the games czcams.com/users/postUgkxECnmSvBSv_NGWx4_ChD73pF3NYZwI2F3 and I can see a difference in his confidence already! My other dog played along and he became intrigued - now its a daily part of our routine - about 3 times a day we do the shell game and the muffin tin game. I am so grateful for coming upon your training techniques!
I lost my 10 year old female Dutch Sheperd this year to a stomach tumor. I got her at 8 months old. She was my service dog and best friend through some of the toughest times of my life. I miss her terribly. In many ways she was the exception to the rule when it comes to Dutchies and I was very fortunate. Although, she still had some very strong personality traits that were challenging. I learned a lot as a handler having her. Fast forward to today and the decision to get another dog. All things considered and some advice from you in a previous video about getting a Belgian Malinois/Dutch Sheperd …. I now have a Golden Retriever puppy … lol
@@dogmom4710 Thank you. Yes, but at the moment it’s mostly from having my first puppy from 8 weeks old …lol She is now almost 3 1/2 months old and a handful. I honestly won’t have much to compare until she gets to the 8 month mark.
Mine is a solid black shepherd. His first five years was spent around livestock. It was perfect for his intense drive. after my right foot was amputated in 2016 I retrained him for my service dog . No regrets except I know I slow him down. He's almost twelve years old and still gets excited when he sees livestock. I trained him for mobility assistance and support. With his help I don't have to avoid the outdoors or using stairs. No regrets training him for second job. He friendly with people and obsessed with my well-being. We never have a dull moment. I do love the golden retriever. Mine passed away in 2004. Gunther was an amputee as well. He was with me for twelve years. It was his rear left leg that had been amputated. He lived a full normal life. Mine is the right foot BKA.
I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved dog.. I have a dutchie girl... she is 2,5..yrs. She is a very calm and has the best off button ever so there is some great ones out there , but BOY there are some challenges as well just as you experienced yourself. .. I am so happy to read about how you changed that dogs life
I had a Dutchie for 13yrs Ironically his name was ACE ..He was the most challenging dog I ever had..He was as intelligent as a 3yr old child and stubborn as one also ..I miss him terribly, he took up a lot of my time and I felt lost after losing him . I would do it all again , it was such a rewarding relationship.
I think Haz nailed it - Mace will suck you into letting your guard down + not a fan of going back to his kennel (with minor physical tells). I wonder if he can be desensitized to going back to his kennel or maybe even conditioned to look forward to going into his kennel. Then again with the extremes he's capable of, could you be trading one problem for another?
This was super helpful, I have a female Malinois who has a bite record, at 14 months she had no training and likely no socialization at the proper time, I was her last chance. During training she's very drivey, smart and loves to work but also has a great off-switch. You reinforced what I've been doing and added some new things to my training repertoire. Thank you.
Love this -this is so informative. Dutch shepherds are A force to be reckoned with. I’ve never seen a more manipulative breed or a more intelligent breed. If you’re not careful they will quickly get you to do their bidding.
Những gì bạn nói hoàn toàn đúng con cún của mình giờ đây nó Là người điều khiển mình chứ không phải mình Là chủ của nó Lý do Là từ bé mình đã chiều nó và giờ đây nó đã Làm chủ Lại mình
Some animals the handler needs to be able to not "trust the trust" with. Ever. It takes a specific/peculiar mindset in a person to be able to hold that line at all time, every time the person is with the dog, for every day of that dog's life. Just hanging out is the time when some dogs will try to get their handler, bc that is the time when the actual relationship between dog and handler is playing out. Imo, what happened between Mace and his handler does not change the fact that Mace is a great dog and his owner is a capable handler. Hats off to the handler for recognizing that him and Mace both need different things.
If I recall correctly it was Chris Fraize who said "dogs are social opportunists". Mace is definitely one of those types of dogs. "Micro behaviors" - I see this amongst my two intact male GSDs. The play they do is also a test of strength. To be clear neither of my GSDs are even close to the intensity of Mace, but I see those little moments and as such they are not allowed to interact freely or for long. I don't want them to think they can fight for rank, so better to prevent it. I think your assessment is spot on and respect the humility in that you may have misread what is an appropriate situation and handler for Mace. I think there are only a very small minority of handler/trainers that can safely and consistently handle this dog and I say that humbly myself, Mace would be way too much dog for me as well. Good luck with him, I hope he stays with you as he deserves to have a good life and none of the "blue juice" if at all possible.
The Fraize's are con artists and have scammed 10s of thousands of dollars from people. They neglect their dogs and the dogs left in their care for "training". And they got a dog (Fugg) from a shelter and dropped him back off like 6mos later at a different kill shelter. They don't own a legitimate business and take payments under the table. This guy has been around many states and worn out his welcome. There are a TON of personal accounts of this type of shitty behavior and preying on people and their dogs. Do not believe anything they say, they don't know what "truth" even means.
Mace is such a gorgeous and huge DS, glad you are still working with him and hopefully are able to find the right handler. Thank you for such honest videos about these breeds, I really wish more trainers and especially breeders were as well!
I just bumped into this video by accident. You are very well educated with experience. Anyone who worked with dogs, can see from your timing between commands, corrections reward. That’s all spot on. But the best part is that you are a good communicator. All demos with simple and to the point explanation. Just wow. All best to you and your family + crew from England 🏴🇵🇱🫡
My dog … I had 4 AKC GSD’s, thought I knew shepherds. Wanted a SD, got a wanna be K9 with epilepsy. It’s a lifestyle & she NEEDS a job. Thank you for helping me understand my 3 1/2 yo I’ve had since she was 8 wks. THIS … is so important to know. Her mom’s papers are in Romania…. train everyday … intense 😊
She’s only ever bitten me ! ACCIDENTALLY never given up But she’s “a lot of dog” I was playing a couple times & didn’t even realize I had to never forget to DISENGAGE from playing & training. ** Micro management. If she were my 1st GSD ( ) I would not have had another 4 of them. I should have known, but didn’t fully get it until I just watched your video on these type of dogs. (Epilepsy is controlled w/med everyday, mostly) I will be using your great info 🙌🙌 Thank you thank you
I prefer Labradors. They want to please you. They want to love on you. They want you to give them a job to do. They want to stay right up under you. And they're not "sissy" dogs. I had a black lab called Shadow and he wasn't quite a year old. I was walking him one night and flipped around on the side walk. He didn't growl. He didn't bark. But he braced and dropped his head with his tail stuck straight out. There was a man that had walked up behind me with a ski mask on. I backed us into a lighted apartment stoop and reached behind me and braced my own leg like I had a gun and looked at the gut eye to eye. Neither of us made a sound. The guy thought better of it and went up the street. Shadow was a beast too, he was big and I'd never seen him like that before or again after that night but my dog had some kill in him. He saved my life that night. I didn't have a gun. 5'2" maybe 120lbs. That guy would have had his way with me had it not been for my dog. Most people don't need dogs that specialize in eating people. If the relationship is there, they'll fight for you. Edited to add: I didn't have a gun...
Really good to hear you talking the situation through and how you’re going about working more with him to make him as safe as a dog like Mace can be - he’s a beautiful dog. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Mace looks just like my Czech GSD, just with different colours. Your advice, using Mace as an example, has been incredibly helpful in my training my dominant Blockhead. He’s also a “big playful goof” until he put teeth in me! 🤣 He will always be a spicy goofball blockhead, but watching your videos and listening to your advice has meant he will be with us until he’s old, grey, and reaches his natural end. He won’t be given up on, he won’t be discarded, our dog is with us for life, not just until they become a handful! 😁👍
Awesome video and assessment, I have put dogs down for less but I regretted it. Wish I had had your knowledge at the time or even my limited knowledge now.
Thank you for updating s on Mace. Been hoping you would. Mace is Mace and is not the cup of tea for most people. He is made for specific work and specific boundaries and structure
Awesome video!! I haven't seen a video this interesting and informative in a quite a while. Would love to see more, maybe even some of Mace's very first training sessions once you got him back from his handler where you just started working on building impulse control.
Impulse control and resource guarding control are critical for dogs like Mace. A very small percentage of dogs are truly this dominant, but hoooey, when they are, life can be very challenging.
Its a powerful nice dog but like a loaded weapon, much too dangerous to be around relaxing, you always have to be the leader, that is very demanding and tiring. Is is worth it? Depends on who you are and what you need this dog for.
No no no Never worth it. People think an unhinged dog is cool to have. A stable well balanced NON handler aggressive dog is the way to go. A top tier protection, police K 9 etc dog is NEVER handler aggressive. If you need to feed your arm to have permanent nerve damage just so it doesn’t kill you is total BS! The most decorated beast of a Dutch yet non handler aggressive police K9 in Ct history (mine) broke the stereotype that you need a psychotic beast to be a real working dog. Literally ripped and ate flesh off suspects but did not dare challenge my authority. Just saying
I had a serious GSD that was dominant. He was ALWAYS testing me and challenging me. It is VERY exhausting and even more exhausting. Dogs like Mace are not for most people.
Best idea I've read all week. Give Zac the dog for free, just make it happen! I think you're in the wrong ball park with hours. I give Zac seconds, as soon as Mace figures out Zac couldn't lead a fat kid to a cake shop Mace will take his arm off as a trophy.
I tried watching Zack. For me he's ridiculous. I find him to be a waste of time. His methods probably endanger the dog and it's owner. Could be his final episode one day !
Zak can get a squeaky toy and he'll climb in to the crate first and they can cuddle in there! sounds great! Mace would love it, Zak could retire from the views and pay for his new robot body.
Just like my Bolo. Might wanna address on another video about “Loving your dog to death, literally.” Can’t give too much affection to these type of dogs, or they take it as a sign of weakness
Awesome video! One of the best training videos I've seen demonstrating the psychology of these magnificent creatures and what it takes to be a good handler for a dominant high drive working dog. I'm in love with shepherds but had ruled out Mals. Was open to considering a Dutchie - but not now! After watching your channel it looks like a GSD is going to be the best fit. Thank you for your honesty and sharing the realities of these breeds.
I have a wonderful Dutch Shepard- 6 months old female. He and my family we are ALL getting professional training. She is doing so well and loves her family…so far! She really loves my 14 and 18 year old especially. I cannot say enough about the professional training she receives regularly with us. Please tell me we didn’t make a mistake with a Dutch Shepard!?!?
The point of just loving a dog (especially one wired to be reactive) being unrealistic is true. There was a wide misconception during COVID, started by many of my local street dog lovers, about these dogs just needing that kind of care to not become reactive since many people wanted to adopt a home companion and shelters were more than happy to sugarcoat the truth of their naturally aggressive or feral traits. But, fast forward to now, lots of the same dogs, unfortunately, got returned or PTS because they "somehow" still became dangerous and adopters didn't know what to do. The lucky few thankfully had professionals (trainers and behaviourists) teaching their owners how to manage them, which was only when people began realising how difficult street dogs actually are. As a result, shelters now educate potential adopters before they really want to adopt, like my family sitting through a 15-minute presentation on the street dogs' natural dispositions and what to do when they start showing. The street dog community may be salty about many fewer street dogs being adopted, but at least more people are responsible for thinking twice about adopting them, even for guarding breeds like Mace.
I have a dutchie. She’s the best dog I’ve ever had. I love her so much. ❤. She’s so smart and follows commands so well and protective but calls off the easily.
I've always liked Mace and what he and you have accomplished in your training program. I would not criticize the injured handler or the dog for what happened since I was not there. Good luck with him. I hope that you can keep him if you are able to.
Sounds like most of what I predicted on the last video was more or less on point lol Mace is just the type of dog who'll take a mile if you give him an inch. Sounds like his attack was more a test for dominance and getting whatever he had in his mind that he wanted (or didn't want). But it does say a lot that he popped right off the bite, the whole incident sounds like it went a lot better than I first assumed it had gone. I've no doubts Mace could've gone a lot further and done more damage if that was actually his intention, considering we've seen what he did to your bicep through a bite suit.
I had a Siberian Husky who had a high drive and had this same personality. I was putting him and my Rottweiler in their kennels in the winter, I slipped and fell, my Siberian immediately came at my neck, if my Rottweiler wasn't there, I would have been severely injured. My Rottie protected me against the attack. I believe Siberians to be "safer" than Dutch Shepherds but i can definitely understand the dog trying to take advantage of a situation when they are trying to be dominant. My Siberian was very difficult to train and tested me constantly. I never let my guard down with him after that and made sure my Rottie was by my side when dealing with him. Great video and explanation.
I had a similar dog, a husky mix with a serious attitude and drive. Could never ever let him 'win' a standoff. Lucky for me he was all bluff and never took it to a real bite
Really appreciate the honesty & transparency Haz. A lot of trainers would shy away from explaining what exactly went down, and probably not even put it out there that anything occurred in the first place. You broke down your diagnosis of what you thought happened in an excellent manner, teaching the likes of me who likes to think they know a lot but no where near as much as yourself! Every day is a day in school, & listening to the likes of you, Larry & Robert Cabral I'm learning so much about working dogs, stuff you would never learn from a book or positive only online course. So a huge thank you 🐶👌 I do believe in a working breed that is a "balanced breed" ex - GS, Collies, even rotties to an extent, would you put Dutch's in the category of breed that is slightly unbalanced because of there unpredictable nature?
This is all really interesting. More games I can play with my girl. 51/2 year old Malinois, had her since a pup. She loves playing, and loves the ball. I'm looking for new games because we used to play tug alot,, which she loves, but as I've got holder i'm not as strong, and I get ragged around too much, i'm not as up for it as I was a couple of years ago. I usually get accidental injuries, sore arm, scrapes of teeth or nails, not fun for me. None of it is intentional just her boistrous play. She does respect me and listens to me. She has too. But i'm learning so much of the detail with dogs on your channel.
this is a great video. thank you for taking the time to explain those micro-test behaviors and how those can snowball. my gsd/mal tests me frequently. after seeing this video I will definitely modify how I handle him and what I expect of him. thank you taking the the time to make and upload this video
Absolutely beautiful dog- He's honestly probably too much dog for any police department as well... Not quite sure where he fits, but cool to see such a force regardless.
Hi Haz, why wasn't Mace put down and did the handler have second thoughts about letting him go? Your off-leash obedience course is simple and effective, it improved my relationship with my dog - thanks.
Great video. I'm traveling by RV with my Heeler that has a tendency to be a bit reactive about dog's yapping nearby. I started running place drills with the ball kinda like the earlier part of this video when neighbor dogs bark in the RV park. Totally takes the edge off for my dog. About 5 to 10 minutes and he's ignoring the nonsense around us. Also, very interesting to hear your detailed interpretation on what happened with Mace.
You just verified my exact thoughts about the Mallenois as a breed. They really need hard work and discipline to be happy. I even read someone calling them Malligators. 😄
Great summary and explanation. Would like to know when you were working / training Mace in this video when were you activating the e-collar? Thank you.
Anyone thinking of getting one of these needs to watch this. Real talk no BS. I can tell he’s Dutch and Dutch KNPV is what he seems to be which is what mine is and they’re exactly like this. They need a fair firm hand.
I adopted what I thought was a German Shepherd from the shelter at 6 weeks. I think she is a Dutch Shepherd or a Belgian Malinios. She is super sweet but she pushes her boundaries especially with me and my son. She bites and she has body slammed me playing in the yard. She really listens to my husband. She will hide behind me when he tries to discipline her.
i have a rescue 18 month old belgian malenois and she's as sweet as sweet can be. i got her when she was about 8 months and she outgrew the manic biteness and aggression towards her fellow pooches. the only time she reaally gets excited is when she sees a street cat whenever we excercise. she really doesn't care about strangers and unfamiliar dogs but felines really ignites her.
The only dog i had bad dreams over, when i was younger is the dutchie. One in particular in late 90's was like a great white and sucked you into the bite and wanted to all out murder you. Not bite, protect his handler, but murder into pieces 😂. I still have some scars. Much love for the sharp ones. No one wants a cat in a sack!
This makes me more grateful for my GSD. He is so good natured with people and so willing to be a part of my family but he will do everything protective related that I need. He may not be as hard hitting or bad to the bone, but he's enough for my family and very capable with the right training. I'm glad we don't have to wrestle with that level of dog on a daily basis, too much for us. Thank you for posting this video as well as being honest with people. These types of dogs are not general family pets for the average family and should not be handled as such. Hopefully other people watching will think twice before going for a Dutchie.
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@@tyy6161he would play bite as a puppy. I never tolerated it with the boys but it was extremely challenging to get him to stop. At 6 months old we purchased an ecollar and it was a game changer. With the right execution it will do wonders. They playbite a ton until they teeth, just how they express excitement and play being Shepherds. He has growled at the boys twice and those times he was instantly corrected and it honestly was something my children did to invade his space. Hand fed as a puppy off commands established an understood relationship that I'm in charge and control the food, not him. By and large, GSD is an amazing family pet and will protect you with its life if genetically correct with temperament. Very smart, very loyal, very easy to train. That being said, training and socialization is a requirement for these dogs to properly flourish and not be a liability. Done properly, your best friend and second to none. Outstanding dogs.
Our Dutch shepherd is 5yrs old. Absolute unit. Not for all families. We have 4 "difficult breeds" on the ranch: dutch, mali, gsd, and a bull mastiff. The gsd is the boss. She runs the ranch. That being said my boy Dutch is the one who will attack and maul anyone or anything that he does not accept. Especially trespassers....yes he will "powercheck" me from time to time. I expect and welcome it.
I always wanted one as I was in love with my Grandfather Dutch. He brought it from EUROPE TO ARGENTINA. he used to love his dogs he had a few but just one Dutch. I hope to get one and compete with him/her. French ring I hope. Thank you getting the right person as most if not all people are not properly knowledgeable to handle a dog of this caliber.
I have a pretty gnarly gsd and have been around a very gnarly ddr gsd and they are nice but my next dog I want a dog like mace. I know they aren’t for everyone or even hardly anyone but that level of intensity and challenge of working with it excites me. I am good friends with a guy that has a 3yr old dutchie very much like this and he is incredible and dangerous as six shooter in Alex Baldwin’s hand lol.
The first Dutch Shepherd I ever "met" was one owned by my mother, in Holland, more than 60 years ago. Back then they were really, really rare and I certainly had never seen one before, not even in Holland. But my mother was the first one who I ever heard talking about the extreme intelligence of Dutch Shepherds, and how in her view it was their most "dangerous" feature! She said that if you did NOT fully realise from the beginning how intelligent they were, they would take advantage of you and it would take very little time to basically ruin your relationship with the dog forever because you'd be likely to make crucial mistakes. I remember her telling me that she always felt as if her dog was constantly evaluating HER, instead of the other way around. On Dutch farms, it was common for Dutch Shepherds to control large flocks (sheep mostly, in those days) completely independently. They'd guard the flock all day, then take them back to the farm in the evening, independently without human involvement, stay with the animals during the night, and then take them out again in the morning, without human involvement, stay with them all day and bring them back to the farm at night. Etc. They'd do this for weeks on end, making their own decisions without any human oversight. THAT's the background of the apparent "wilfulness" of Dutch Shepherds. They're bred to be independent, evaluate situations and act accordingly. There isn't another breed like it on the planet.
Nice discription of the breed. I especially ike the story of there herding in regards to working indipendently. Explains a lot in regards to there nature..
Update on Ace - I have gotten him involved in playing some of the games czcams.com/users/postUgkxECnmSvBSv_NGWx4_ChD73pF3NYZwI2F3 and I can see a difference in his confidence already! My other dog played along and he became intrigued - now its a daily part of our routine - about 3 times a day we do the shell game and the muffin tin game. I am so grateful for coming upon your training techniques!
I lost my 10 year old female Dutch Sheperd this year to a stomach tumor.
I got her at 8 months old.
She was my service dog and best friend through some of the toughest times of my life.
I miss her terribly.
In many ways she was the exception to the rule when it comes to Dutchies and I was very fortunate.
Although, she still had some very strong personality traits that were challenging.
I learned a lot as a handler having her.
Fast forward to today and the decision to get another dog.
All things considered and some advice from you in a previous video about getting a Belgian Malinois/Dutch Sheperd …. I now have a Golden Retriever puppy … lol
Sorry about your Dutchie. Such a hard loss. Is the golden a shock in comparison to the Dutchie?
@@dogmom4710 Thank you.
Yes, but at the moment it’s mostly from having my first puppy from 8 weeks old …lol
She is now almost 3 1/2 months old and a handful.
I honestly won’t have much to compare until she gets to the 8 month mark.
So Sorry for your loss, I hope you enjoy your new Pup just as much 🐾🐶🐾
Mine is a solid black shepherd. His first five years was spent around livestock. It was perfect for his intense drive. after my right foot was amputated in 2016 I retrained him for my service dog . No regrets except I know I slow him down. He's almost twelve years old and still gets excited when he sees livestock. I trained him for mobility assistance and support. With his help I don't have to avoid the outdoors or using stairs. No regrets training him for second job. He friendly with people and obsessed with my well-being. We never have a dull moment. I do love the golden retriever. Mine passed away in 2004. Gunther was an amputee as well. He was with me for twelve years. It was his rear left leg that had been amputated. He lived a full normal life. Mine is the right foot BKA.
I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved dog.. I have a dutchie girl... she is 2,5..yrs. She is a very calm and has the best off button ever so there is some great ones out there , but BOY there are some challenges as well just as you experienced yourself. .. I am so happy to read about how you changed that dogs life
Ah microbehaviors!! Learned about those years ago. It is amazing how many happen that people don’t even realize are occurring.
I had a Dutchie for 13yrs Ironically his name was ACE ..He was the most challenging dog I ever had..He was as intelligent as a 3yr old child and stubborn as one also ..I miss him terribly, he took up a lot of my time and I felt lost after losing him . I would do it all again , it was such a rewarding relationship.
Great explanation about the whole ordeal, much appreciated.
I think Haz nailed it - Mace will suck you into letting your guard down + not a fan of going back to his kennel (with minor physical tells). I wonder if he can be desensitized to going back to his kennel or maybe even conditioned to look forward to going into his kennel. Then again with the extremes he's capable of, could you be trading one problem for another?
This was super helpful, I have a female Malinois who has a bite record, at 14 months she had no training and likely no socialization at the proper time, I was her last chance. During training she's very drivey, smart and loves to work but also has a great off-switch. You reinforced what I've been doing and added some new things to my training repertoire. Thank you.
Looks fantastic dude. GREAT work. I'm glad you updated us on this boy's situation. Much appreciated. That's some incredible training discipline. WOW.
I’m being honest man you are the best most clear trainer I have ever watched or listen to ever your the man period
Love Mace! He’s such a gorgeous dog! Found my self saying GOOOOD BOOOOY when he controlled himself with the sleeve. 😂
Love this -this is so informative. Dutch shepherds are A force to be reckoned with. I’ve never seen a more manipulative breed or a more intelligent breed. If you’re not careful they will quickly get you to do their bidding.
Những gì bạn nói hoàn toàn đúng con cún của mình giờ đây nó Là người điều khiển mình chứ không phải mình Là chủ của nó Lý do Là từ bé mình đã chiều nó và giờ đây nó đã Làm chủ Lại mình
Some animals the handler needs to be able to not "trust the trust" with. Ever.
It takes a specific/peculiar mindset in a person to be able to hold that line at all time, every time the person is with the dog, for every day of that dog's life.
Just hanging out is the time when some dogs will try to get their handler, bc that is the time when the actual relationship between dog and handler is playing out.
Imo, what happened between Mace and his handler does not change the fact that Mace is a great dog and his owner is a capable handler.
Hats off to the handler for recognizing that him and Mace both need different things.
It'll be hard to find a handler that can handle him as well as Haz - Haz is the kind of handler he needs
Nobody out there can articulate the process like Haz does. He is an amazing trainer. The work speaks for itself in the dogs!
If I recall correctly it was Chris Fraize who said "dogs are social opportunists". Mace is definitely one of those types of dogs. "Micro behaviors" - I see this amongst my two intact male GSDs. The play they do is also a test of strength. To be clear neither of my GSDs are even close to the intensity of Mace, but I see those little moments and as such they are not allowed to interact freely or for long. I don't want them to think they can fight for rank, so better to prevent it. I think your assessment is spot on and respect the humility in that you may have misread what is an appropriate situation and handler for Mace. I think there are only a very small minority of handler/trainers that can safely and consistently handle this dog and I say that humbly myself, Mace would be way too much dog for me as well. Good luck with him, I hope he stays with you as he deserves to have a good life and none of the "blue juice" if at all possible.
The Fraize's are con artists and have scammed 10s of thousands of dollars from people. They neglect their dogs and the dogs left in their care for "training". And they got a dog (Fugg) from a shelter and dropped him back off like 6mos later at a different kill shelter. They don't own a legitimate business and take payments under the table.
This guy has been around many states and worn out his welcome. There are a TON of personal accounts of this type of shitty behavior and preying on people and their dogs.
Do not believe anything they say, they don't know what "truth" even means.
Great video. I appreciate you putting out such in depth and real behind the scenes on youtube.
Mace is such a gorgeous and huge DS, glad you are still working with him and hopefully are able to find the right handler. Thank you for such honest videos about these breeds, I really wish more trainers and especially breeders were as well!
Definitely this! Honesty is sorely lacking in the dog training world!
I just bumped into this video by accident. You are very well educated with experience. Anyone who worked with dogs, can see from your timing between commands, corrections reward. That’s all spot on. But the best part is that you are a good communicator. All demos with simple and to the point explanation. Just wow. All best to you and your family + crew from England 🏴🇵🇱🫡
Great video. My Dutchie is exactly like Mace. Mine always tests me and I have to work him every day to keep him stable.
My dog … I had 4 AKC GSD’s, thought I knew shepherds. Wanted a SD, got a wanna be K9 with epilepsy.
It’s a lifestyle & she NEEDS a job.
Thank you for helping me understand my 3 1/2 yo I’ve had since she was 8 wks.
THIS … is so important to know.
Her mom’s papers are in Romania…. train everyday … intense 😊
She’s only ever bitten me !
ACCIDENTALLY
never given up
But she’s “a lot of dog”
I was playing a couple times & didn’t even realize I had to never forget to DISENGAGE
from playing & training.
** Micro management.
If she were my 1st GSD ( ) I would not have had another 4 of them.
I should have known, but didn’t fully get it until I just watched your video on these type of dogs.
(Epilepsy is controlled w/med everyday, mostly)
I will be using your great info 🙌🙌
Thank you thank you
Thank you so much for sharing this!! It helps everyone to see the real world of Dutch Shepherds
I prefer Labradors. They want to please you. They want to love on you. They want you to give them a job to do. They want to stay right up under you. And they're not "sissy" dogs. I had a black lab called Shadow and he wasn't quite a year old. I was walking him one night and flipped around on the side walk. He didn't growl. He didn't bark. But he braced and dropped his head with his tail stuck straight out. There was a man that had walked up behind me with a ski mask on. I backed us into a lighted apartment stoop and reached behind me and braced my own leg like I had a gun and looked at the gut eye to eye. Neither of us made a sound. The guy thought better of it and went up the street. Shadow was a beast too, he was big and I'd never seen him like that before or again after that night but my dog had some kill in him. He saved my life that night. I didn't have a gun. 5'2" maybe 120lbs. That guy would have had his way with me had it not been for my dog. Most people don't need dogs that specialize in eating people. If the relationship is there, they'll fight for you.
Edited to add: I didn't have a gun...
Thank you for the update. I really like Mace and was concerned about his future. Now to find the right handler.
Awesome work with Mace! I followed his journey and my hat goes off to your training theory and methodology! Great Job
Mace is primal. Haz has amazingly, relentless persistency in training. Great match up, awesome, informative video,
Mace is home.
Really good to hear you talking the situation through and how you’re going about working more with him to make him as safe as a dog like Mace can be - he’s a beautiful dog. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Love all your videos but this one I was sooo interested l!! The transparency is why your my favorite dog trainer
You guys always do first class work and great advice and understanding of Mace :) Keep up the great work !!! MKF
Mace looks just like my Czech GSD, just with different colours. Your advice, using Mace as an example, has been incredibly helpful in my training my dominant Blockhead. He’s also a “big playful goof” until he put teeth in me! 🤣
He will always be a spicy goofball blockhead, but watching your videos and listening to your advice has meant he will be with us until he’s old, grey, and reaches his natural end. He won’t be given up on, he won’t be discarded, our dog is with us for life, not just until they become a handful! 😁👍
Awesome video and assessment, I have put dogs down for less but I regretted it. Wish I had had your knowledge at the time or even my limited knowledge now.
I love the videos about Mace. His life, his work, his progress. ❤
Thank you for updating s on Mace. Been hoping you would. Mace is Mace and is not the cup of tea for most people. He is made for specific work and specific boundaries and structure
Awesome video!! I haven't seen a video this interesting and informative in a quite a while. Would love to see more, maybe even some of Mace's very first training sessions once you got him back from his handler where you just started working on building impulse control.
Thank you very much for sharing this precious content! 🙂
Impulse control and resource guarding control are critical for dogs like Mace. A very small percentage of dogs are truly this dominant, but hoooey, when they are, life can be very challenging.
So true! Sane leaders, sane dogs!
Its a powerful nice dog but like a loaded weapon, much too dangerous to be around relaxing, you always have to be the leader, that is very demanding and tiring. Is is worth it? Depends on who you are and what you need this dog for.
No a loaded weapon can't think or act on its on
No no no
Never worth it. People think an unhinged dog is cool to have. A stable well balanced NON handler aggressive dog is the way to go. A top tier protection, police K 9 etc dog is NEVER handler aggressive. If you need to feed your arm to have permanent nerve damage just so it doesn’t kill you is total BS! The most decorated beast of a Dutch yet non handler aggressive police K9 in Ct history (mine) broke the stereotype that you need a psychotic beast to be a real working dog. Literally ripped and ate flesh off suspects but did not dare challenge my authority. Just saying
I had a serious GSD that was dominant. He was ALWAYS testing me and challenging me. It is VERY exhausting and even more exhausting. Dogs like Mace are not for most people.
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thank you for expanding our knowledge. Much Respect
Could you sell Mace to Zack George? I want to see how many hours Zack would last :D
Best idea I've read all week. Give Zac the dog for free, just make it happen!
I think you're in the wrong ball park with hours. I give Zac seconds, as soon as Mace figures out Zac couldn't lead a fat kid to a cake shop Mace will take his arm off as a trophy.
I tried watching Zack. For me he's ridiculous. I find him to be a waste of time. His methods probably endanger the dog and it's owner. Could be his final episode one day !
Hours? I'm thinking seconds. Definitely under a minute.
Hahaha
Zak can get a squeaky toy and he'll climb in to the crate first and they can cuddle in there! sounds great! Mace would love it, Zak could retire from the views and pay for his new robot body.
Really great video, very informative. You are such a great asset to the dogs and helping others.
Great feedback on structure and routine to keep the dog in check! Good work on the Dutch commands💕
I love this dog Mace! You sure you don't want to keep him and offer your buddy a different dog? Yall might be made for each other :-).
Bloody awesome as always. Hope to see more updates on maces progress.
Thank you for sharing your perspective on this, it is very helpful. Much appreciated.
Just like my Bolo. Might wanna address on another video about “Loving your dog to death, literally.” Can’t give too much affection to these type of dogs, or they take it as a sign of weakness
Awesome video! One of the best training videos I've seen demonstrating the psychology of these magnificent creatures and what it takes to be a good handler for a dominant high drive working dog. I'm in love with shepherds but had ruled out Mals. Was open to considering a Dutchie - but not now! After watching your channel it looks like a GSD is going to be the best fit. Thank you for your honesty and sharing the realities of these breeds.
I have a wonderful Dutch Shepard- 6 months old female. He and my family we are ALL getting professional training. She is doing so well and loves her family…so far! She really loves my 14 and 18 year old especially. I cannot say enough about the professional training she receives regularly with us. Please tell me we didn’t make a mistake with a Dutch Shepard!?!?
Super good learning material, thank you!
didnt even let him bite the sleeve 🤣
The point of just loving a dog (especially one wired to be reactive) being unrealistic is true. There was a wide misconception during COVID, started by many of my local street dog lovers, about these dogs just needing that kind of care to not become reactive since many people wanted to adopt a home companion and shelters were more than happy to sugarcoat the truth of their naturally aggressive or feral traits.
But, fast forward to now, lots of the same dogs, unfortunately, got returned or PTS because they "somehow" still became dangerous and adopters didn't know what to do. The lucky few thankfully had professionals (trainers and behaviourists) teaching their owners how to manage them, which was only when people began realising how difficult street dogs actually are.
As a result, shelters now educate potential adopters before they really want to adopt, like my family sitting through a 15-minute presentation on the street dogs' natural dispositions and what to do when they start showing.
The street dog community may be salty about many fewer street dogs being adopted, but at least more people are responsible for thinking twice about adopting them, even for guarding breeds like Mace.
I appreciate this insightful video 👍🏻
Love your videos man! Thank you! Keep up the good work!
Great video Haz, thanks.
I have a dutchie. She’s the best dog I’ve ever had. I love her so much. ❤. She’s so smart and follows commands so well and protective but calls off the easily.
Thanks for the update, info and your thoughts. I'd been wondering about the details. Your reasoning and training seem sound!
AMAZING DOG AND EXCELLENT TRAINING.....
Very informative. Love the impulse control method. I will adopt that techq. I have a dutchie similar to Mase. Thanks for sharing.
I've always liked Mace and what he and you have accomplished in your training program. I would not criticize the injured handler or the dog for what happened since I was not there. Good luck with him. I hope that you can keep him if you are able to.
I can't believe how he drools when he wants to bite.
Sounds like most of what I predicted on the last video was more or less on point lol Mace is just the type of dog who'll take a mile if you give him an inch. Sounds like his attack was more a test for dominance and getting whatever he had in his mind that he wanted (or didn't want). But it does say a lot that he popped right off the bite, the whole incident sounds like it went a lot better than I first assumed it had gone.
I've no doubts Mace could've gone a lot further and done more damage if that was actually his intention, considering we've seen what he did to your bicep through a bite suit.
I had a Siberian Husky who had a high drive and had this same personality. I was putting him and my Rottweiler in their kennels in the winter, I slipped and fell, my Siberian immediately came at my neck, if my Rottweiler wasn't there, I would have been severely injured. My Rottie protected me against the attack. I believe Siberians to be "safer" than Dutch Shepherds but i can definitely understand the dog trying to take advantage of a situation when they are trying to be dominant. My Siberian was very difficult to train and tested me constantly. I never let my guard down with him after that and made sure my Rottie was by my side when dealing with him. Great video and explanation.
I had a similar dog, a husky mix with a serious attitude and drive. Could never ever let him 'win' a standoff. Lucky for me he was all bluff and never took it to a real bite
@@fouroctavesofjoy I learned that lesson real quick! I was always careful with him after that. Beautiful dogs, but extremely independent.
Place and Mace are very similiar words, actually i'm baffled that he can seperate these so good.
Really appreciate the honesty & transparency Haz. A lot of trainers would shy away from explaining what exactly went down, and probably not even put it out there that anything occurred in the first place.
You broke down your diagnosis of what you thought happened in an excellent manner, teaching the likes of me who likes to think they know a lot but no where near as much as yourself! Every day is a day in school, & listening to the likes of you, Larry & Robert Cabral I'm learning so much about working dogs, stuff you would never learn from a book or positive only online course. So a huge thank you 🐶👌
I do believe in a working breed that is a "balanced breed" ex - GS, Collies, even rotties to an extent, would you put Dutch's in the category of breed that is slightly unbalanced because of there unpredictable nature?
This is all really interesting. More games I can play with my girl. 51/2 year old Malinois, had her since a pup. She loves playing, and loves the ball. I'm looking for new games because we used to play tug alot,, which she loves, but as I've got holder i'm not as strong, and I get ragged around too much, i'm not as up for it as I was a couple of years ago. I usually get accidental injuries, sore arm, scrapes of teeth or nails, not fun for me. None of it is intentional just her boistrous play. She does respect me and listens to me. She has too. But i'm learning so much of the detail with dogs on your channel.
this is a great video. thank you for taking the time to explain those micro-test behaviors and how those can snowball. my gsd/mal tests me frequently. after seeing this video I will definitely modify how I handle him and what I expect of him. thank you taking the the time to make and upload this video
Amazing! Thanks for sharing
Great content! Thanks for sharing
Absolutely beautiful dog- He's honestly probably too much dog for any police department as well... Not quite sure where he fits, but cool to see such a force regardless.
Very educational, thanks.
Love your stuff bro. 🙌🏽💯
Hi Haz, why wasn't Mace put down and did the handler have second thoughts about letting him go? Your off-leash obedience course is simple and effective, it improved my relationship with my dog - thanks.
Great video. I'm traveling by RV with my Heeler that has a tendency to be a bit reactive about dog's yapping nearby. I started running place drills with the ball kinda like the earlier part of this video when neighbor dogs bark in the RV park. Totally takes the edge off for my dog. About 5 to 10 minutes and he's ignoring the nonsense around us.
Also, very interesting to hear your detailed interpretation on what happened with Mace.
You just verified my exact thoughts about the Mallenois as a breed. They really need hard work and discipline to be happy. I even read someone calling them Malligators. 😄
Mace🥰 primal is exactly what he is- and it's a beautiful thing! Mace is an amazing creature living his best life with the right humans!
Great summary and explanation. Would like to know when you were working / training Mace in this video when were you activating the e-collar? Thank you.
Anyone thinking of getting one of these needs to watch this. Real talk no BS. I can tell he’s Dutch and Dutch KNPV is what he seems to be which is what mine is and they’re exactly like this. They need a fair firm hand.
Super interesting. Thanks
I adopted what I thought was a German Shepherd from the shelter at 6 weeks. I think she is a Dutch Shepherd or a Belgian Malinios. She is super sweet but she pushes her boundaries especially with me and my son. She bites and she has body slammed me playing in the yard. She really listens to my husband. She will hide behind me when he tries to discipline her.
Even our little mix dog has acted crazy getting in or out of the house kennel
So what is going to be the best fit for Mace
i have a rescue 18 month old belgian malenois and she's as sweet as sweet can be. i got her when she was about 8 months and she outgrew the manic biteness and aggression towards her fellow pooches. the only time she reaally gets excited is when she sees a street cat whenever we excercise. she really doesn't care about strangers and unfamiliar dogs but felines really ignites her.
I just saw the video when he was first acquired. His evolution is amazing.
Good work and greets from Holland .👍
The only dog i had bad dreams over, when i was younger is the dutchie. One in particular in late 90's was like a great white and sucked you into the bite and wanted to all out murder you. Not bite, protect his handler, but murder into pieces 😂. I still have some scars. Much love for the sharp ones. No one wants a cat in a sack!
This makes me more grateful for my GSD. He is so good natured with people and so willing to be a part of my family but he will do everything protective related that I need. He may not be as hard hitting or bad to the bone, but he's enough for my family and very capable with the right training. I'm glad we don't have to wrestle with that level of dog on a daily basis, too much for us. Thank you for posting this video as well as being honest with people. These types of dogs are not general family pets for the average family and should not be handled as such. Hopefully other people watching will think twice before going for a Dutchie.
GSD is a Toyota Camry. Malinois and Dutchies are Ferrari or corvettes. Many are happy with a Camry
@@stevenglock true, or to me GSDs are like an F150 or some other work truck that can get the job done with no frills.
Ailedeki çocukları ısırıyormu veya sahibine dönermi saldırganlık anlamında Almayı düşünüyorum ondan soruyorum Malinaodan daha sert olduğu söyleniyor Dutchun
@@tyy6161he would play bite as a puppy. I never tolerated it with the boys but it was extremely challenging to get him to stop. At 6 months old we purchased an ecollar and it was a game changer. With the right execution it will do wonders. They playbite a ton until they teeth, just how they express excitement and play being Shepherds. He has growled at the boys twice and those times he was instantly corrected and it honestly was something my children did to invade his space. Hand fed as a puppy off commands established an understood relationship that I'm in charge and control the food, not him. By and large, GSD is an amazing family pet and will protect you with its life if genetically correct with temperament. Very smart, very loyal, very easy to train. That being said, training and socialization is a requirement for these dogs to properly flourish and not be a liability. Done properly, your best friend and second to none. Outstanding dogs.
THANKS!!
THats some great first class training.
Super work. Very nice dog.
is it just me or does Haz go into a more "Euro" accent or affect sometimes in his speaking? anyone else hear it?
Amazing job.
You are spot on Only business
He definitely isn’t a dog that clouds over and can’t think then turns back at his handler.
Informative and fascinating to me.
Nice Work!
The dominance games, my Rotti is so notorious for this. Give an inch, he’ll take a mile. He’s a great dog, but he’s also very challenging.
Thanks for the update I love mace ❤where you think you will go with him now…?
Our Dutch shepherd is 5yrs old. Absolute unit. Not for all families. We have 4 "difficult breeds" on the ranch: dutch, mali, gsd, and a bull mastiff. The gsd is the boss. She runs the ranch. That being said my boy Dutch is the one who will attack and maul anyone or anything that he does not accept. Especially trespassers....yes he will "powercheck" me from time to time. I expect and welcome it.
I always wanted one as I was in love with my Grandfather Dutch. He brought it from EUROPE TO ARGENTINA. he used to love his dogs he had a few but just one Dutch. I hope to get one and compete with him/her. French ring I hope. Thank you getting the right person as most if not all people are not properly knowledgeable to handle a dog of this caliber.
I have a pretty gnarly gsd and have been around a very gnarly ddr gsd and they are nice but my next dog I want a dog like mace. I know they aren’t for everyone or even hardly anyone but that level of intensity and challenge of working with it excites me. I am good friends with a guy that has a 3yr old dutchie very much like this and he is incredible and dangerous as six shooter in Alex Baldwin’s hand lol.
good stuff! and your right about impulse control, thank you!!