Doom Quickie - Doom Violates the Geneva Convention

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  • čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
  • Surprisingly this video isn't about the probably real dead body in Doom.
    Music:
    Countdown to Death - Doom 2
    The Healer Stalks - Doom 2
    Games Shown:
    Doom
    Grand Theft Auto V
    Doom Eternal (Playing Doom)
    Sources:
    The Geneva Conventions of 1949: www.icrc.org/e...
    18 U.S. Code § 706. Red Cross: www.law.cornel...
    Red Cross Terms of Use: www.redcross.o...
    Emblems of Humanity: shop.icrc.org/...
    "It may just be a game to you but, it means the world to us":www.redcross.c...
    PC Gamer Article: www.pcgamer.co...
    SFX:
    Breaker 1 - Deathscyp
    Switch Light on Off Neon Lamp - Thesoundcatcher
    Sliding Paper on Table - 123jorre456
    Thick Stamp - Newagesoup
    Metal Door Slam - Soundsmith
    All SFX acquired from Freesounds.org.
    Tumblr: / theoneandonlyutterspartan
    Twitter: / utterspartanyt

Komentáře • 52

  • @Dwars
    @Dwars Před 4 lety +64

    For Doom’s new console ports, the devs switched to non-trademark infringing/Geneva Convention breaking green crosses. I’ll take those over the pills any day.

  • @andrewpoon1783
    @andrewpoon1783 Před 4 lety +45

    who knew war crimes could feel so good tho

  • @InnerSilence123
    @InnerSilence123 Před 4 lety +67

    I cant believe that there are actual people whos legit job is to find red crosses in video games and sue them, all of this founded by tax payers money. and not even becouse of copyright infingements, but just becouse they "shouldnt" do it becouse of the law.
    I mean, I get that you shouldnt use the emblem in real life for anything other than medical studd BUT how the hell this is a problem in a video game. this is so absurd

    • @manguy1563
      @manguy1563 Před 4 lety +4

      It's ridiculous.

    • @_KillerD_
      @_KillerD_ Před 3 lety +8

      It makes me want to make 30 games with a fucking red cross as a protagonist

    • @appratows6795
      @appratows6795 Před 2 lety

      ​@@_KillerD_ 🤣

  • @ShinoSarna
    @ShinoSarna Před 4 lety +35

    There has been a minor shitstorm over this, as fans hated the pill, as it isn't really easily readable (half of the pill is white on white). Instead, some modern versions of the Doom wads opt for simply a GREEN cross - exactly as recognizable and commonly used, but fine with Geneva convention.

  • @Mtlbro6
    @Mtlbro6 Před 4 lety +19

    I always assumed they "got away with it" because the red cross didn't care about a 12 megabyte game in 1993 and understandably didn't see the monumental impact it would have on pop culture.

  • @Hugmir
    @Hugmir Před 4 lety +12

    But they are not violating anything. That *is* a medkit.

  • @arkaua
    @arkaua Před 4 lety +16

    Great vid! Although like you said it is a "generic" topic to cover, I enjoyed the fact it had more to it citing the case with Prison Architect, very interesting and definitely worth the 5 minutes.

  • @joeykeilholz925
    @joeykeilholz925 Před 4 lety +6

    The fucking red plus man... I hate how they copyrighted it.
    A color plus a shape can be copyrighted? Like.... What?!

  • @TheGermanDoomGuy1939
    @TheGermanDoomGuy1939 Před 3 lety +6

    Picked up a medikit that you REALLY need!

  • @Swampfox1966
    @Swampfox1966 Před 4 lety +3

    Game Dev's make a "Non-Geneva Convention violating Pill" or whatever -> Game devs promote a small texture mod to replace pill with Cross

  • @shinydegos
    @shinydegos Před 3 lety +3

    oH nO tHeY tEwK oUr SyMbowl

  • @salsamonkey65
    @salsamonkey65 Před 4 lety +2

    I got really excited seeing this in my subscription feed

  • @brainstewX
    @brainstewX Před 2 lety +3

    I think a red circle with a white cross would look better than the pills, and better than the green cross.

    • @michaelbuehler3897
      @michaelbuehler3897 Před 2 lety

      I agree, that way you can keep the more noticeable red color.

    • @EmeralBookwise
      @EmeralBookwise Před rokem

      Not sure if it's covered by some different trademark, but my alternative would have been to change the + to an H, which can still be rendered just as easily at the same pixel resolution.

  • @no_biggie_smalls
    @no_biggie_smalls Před 3 lety +2

    Left 4 Dead been violating the GC for years lol

  • @AposineYT
    @AposineYT Před 4 lety +3

    There's always the white cross on green.

  • @Chris-cf1hs
    @Chris-cf1hs Před 4 lety +5

    This is kinda dumb but hey I still have the classic wads and those wads are still on steam and gog so whatever

  • @EmeralBookwise
    @EmeralBookwise Před rokem +1

    This is one of those things that always gives me mixed feelings. On the one hand I can appreciate an organization committed to providing politically neutral medical services being very particular about how their symbols are used. It's quite literally something that could be the difference between life and death. On the other hand, however, the fact that so many people associate that symbol with medical care in general is endemic to it being so universally recognizable in the first place.
    I can absolutely understand why the Red Cross would take issue with things like playable combat medics in FPS's using the symbol, as it could unintentionally make real medics wearing the symbol seem like valid targets. When it comes to its use on in game health pickups, that strikes me as being entirely in keeping with the services they provide.

    • @EmeralBookwise
      @EmeralBookwise Před rokem

      Besides, Doom's heath kits are really more of a red cross on a light gray background, not white.

  • @xzs432
    @xzs432 Před rokem

    the versions of doom and doom 2 that i have from steam have a green and white diamond on all the health packs.

  • @GoodmansGhost
    @GoodmansGhost Před 4 lety

    The latest release of Nookem dookem tri-dee also put pills on the medkits if I'm not misremembering.

  • @mikko8579
    @mikko8579 Před 3 lety

    Wait the popular war crimes simulation arma uses the red sqare

  • @rompevuevitos222
    @rompevuevitos222 Před 4 lety +2

    I get the point of the dumb cross being so protective of the symbol, but it's still stupid

  • @sergeantmarcusstackerM1903

    Removes texture filtering
    Crouches in DooM
    Nice going. You have balanced a big gey and a big yay and ended up with a net of 0

    • @UtterSpartan
      @UtterSpartan  Před 4 lety +5

      I normally never crouch in Doom. It was just to get a closer view of the medkit.

    • @sergeantmarcusstackerM1903
      @sergeantmarcusstackerM1903 Před 4 lety +1

      UtterSpartan I understand. Was just trying to make a funny

  • @cannedbeverage7687
    @cannedbeverage7687 Před 4 lety +1

    But what about red cross on non-white background?

    • @roadent217
      @roadent217 Před 2 lety +1

      Good question.
      I think that the berserk packs are probably ok.

  • @Dondlo46
    @Dondlo46 Před 4 lety +1

    I dont understand these rules and stuff, its just a red cross, wtf

  • @nfwrambo
    @nfwrambo Před 4 lety

    Less of a delay?!?! C’mon man I just got off of a 13 year wait for a half life game and a 5 year wait for a dawn of war 2 review! I’M ON A DELAY HIGH BABY! I’M A 12 ON A 10 POINT SCALE OF PATIENCE! OOoooOoOH, HERE COMES THE WAIT TRAIN! CHOO CHOO CHA - BOOGIE!
    Btw I would totally watch a video detailing all the ways that you can violate the Geneva conventions by playing doom. though now that I think about it that probably would take awhile to research...

  • @Tjousk
    @Tjousk Před 4 lety

    Indeed.

  • @klyesam4006
    @klyesam4006 Před 3 lety

    But what about hollow points?

  • @TheCerealkiller148
    @TheCerealkiller148 Před 3 lety

    Simple solution, call it the English flag, not the red cross.

  • @barney10240
    @barney10240 Před 4 lety +1

    I kinda agree, Red Cross has been use too much theres day

  • @mrman5808
    @mrman5808 Před 3 lety

    So does USA in protests ;)

  • @TheWolfgangGrimmer
    @TheWolfgangGrimmer Před 4 lety +1

    Getting rid of the filtering is a good start, now try 800x600 software rendered, while making sure the gamma setting of your screen is fairly low. Better yet, see what the game looks like on the Doomed Speed Demos Archive YT channel, it's quite incredible.

    • @rompevuevitos222
      @rompevuevitos222 Před 4 lety +4

      "Remove all enchancements, make it look as bad as it did on launch, because anything new is bad"

    • @TheWolfgangGrimmer
      @TheWolfgangGrimmer Před 4 lety +1

      @@rompevuevitos222 You think this game was in 800x600 at launch? Lmao, those naive youngsters...

    • @trafficconememes331
      @trafficconememes331 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheWolfgangGrimmer wait this comment isnt a joke?

    • @TheWolfgangGrimmer
      @TheWolfgangGrimmer Před 2 lety

      @@trafficconememes331 Mostly not, although one thing I will amend is that even the highest resolutions render just fine in the more recent versions of PrBoom+ and its offshoots. I stand by everything else however.

  • @WitherVideos
    @WitherVideos Před rokem

    Huh

  • @GlitchedBlox
    @GlitchedBlox Před 3 lety

    wtf

  • @supahcomix
    @supahcomix Před 3 lety

    so is saint george's flag a war crime?

    • @roadent217
      @roadent217 Před 2 lety

      1) Saint George's flag predates the Geneva Convention, therefore it's grandfathered in. Besides, it's not the same shape;
      2) Tonga agreed to change its flag's shape due to the Geneva Convention;
      3) Johnson & Johnson holds a trademark right to the Red Cross, once again, because the company got the right before the Geneva Conventions were ratified. It even tried to (unsuccessfully) sue the American Red Cross for trademark infringement.