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This doesn't apply to just film school. The experiences they had and the advice they give applies to any degree and school.
This was the exact thought I had during listening to it!
Except the technical like engineering, architecture, and medical all of the arts can be determined by portfolio.
@@mf-- I am an engineer by trade and I would argue that there is just as much of that online as well. There is so much free lance design work out there that if you learn how to use the software you can easily do. Medical I would agree with you though since there is a lot of legal certification required for that.
Only to ones where the degree isn't a requirement of doing the job. For example doctor, psychologist, lawyer, structural engineer, teacher etc.
@@brycereinert9118 Agreed, but it is nigh impossible to get hired for engineering work without a degree. Some software engineering / computer science could be overcome with an entrance test and a portfolio.
One of the best podcast episodes, all around more chill and a ton of great conversation that people who are just starting like me would wish to be a fly on the wall for, and now we get to be!
Thanks for sharing your seriously valuable persoectives
This absolutely broke me. Not only I identified myself with every film/art school experience each of them shared, but I also wished so much someone would have offered this kind of talk before I decided to go to film school.
Even though I graduated, I almost dropped out a year before finishing because I got to a point where after hoping for things to "get better", they never did and I wasn't enjoying absolutely anything anymore. I still don't know how I powered through that last year, it was a nightmare.
The stories of how they all got their jobs through stuff like the dancing clip or watching the editor are really interesting and memorable insights.
Remember the comment, "..you just seemed like a cool guy i wouldn't mind sitting next to for a 40hr work week.."
Wise insight for sure. 😎👌
As a person who grew up poor, with a small and angry family with no real network to speak of, I've learned to take advantage of the institutions available to me.
I dropped out of high school as a sophomore. Used CZcams to learn many useful skills from carpentry and plumbing to video editing and sound design. Made my way to a local community college. Asked the teachers if it would be possible to sit in on the classes and learn. They said I could sit in and listen and take the tests and do the homework but I would never have the option to gain any credits or earn any degree this way. I accepted that as okay. Being a poor dropout didn't give me many other options. I took psychology and business classes and interpersonal communications and leaderships skills classes. As an entrepreneur I've found these skills to be the most important I've learned.
Moral of the story?
Your chosen degree doesn't define you.
What you've learned, who you've met, what you can do. Those are the only important factors in success.
If you're willing to sacrifice your mental/physical wellbeing or your finances for the sake of the eventual 'light at the end of the tunnel' that's a decision you have to accept and be okay with, but it isn't the only way.
I went to emerson colllege too. On the one hand the school was excellent for meeting like minded creative people. Even though you don't get the cool classes for the first two years, there are student organizations that get you on film sets from day 1. Without a doubt the most important aspect of film school for me were the people met and the resources the school gave me access to. I only had a handful of great classes taught by industry professionals and that was junior/senior year. Whether this is worth the cost you are paying is a big question. Personally, I think it was way too expensive considering most of my knowledge that got me a job was self taught.
You guys make me feel not alone. I have conversations about this topics on my head all day and I don’t know anybody around me who deals with this stuff like I do. Thank you so much 🙏🏽
I listened to this episode on the plane ride back from working on my first feature. As a current Chapman student (3rd year in Film Prod), the opportunity to leave and work on a feature was actually difficult to say yes to; I was so nervous to miss a month of school. Normally that would be an easy decision, but it wasn't. It's an understatement to say that your wisdom really spoke to me, especially at a point in my life where I am considering dropping out and beginning to work full time in the industry. That being said, I wouldn't have gotten such a big job so quickly if it weren't for Chapman's connections and the programs they put me through. I love everything you touched on, especially bringing to light how shaping the experience to your needs is so difficult. I never noticed that before, I just took everything at surface level as "the norm". This is going to change how I continue (or not continue) my Chapman journey over the next year and a half, and I am extremely grateful that you took the plunge to touch on such a hard topic. Thank you all for being you and sharing a bit of your stories with us, they are more inspiring than you know
This podcast spoke to me, I’m in my first year of online film school for vfx and i appreciate the focus the classes have brought out of me. I am seeing how much work I have to do on my own in order to get where I wanna be. I was much more nervous since I’m pivoting out of healthcare and reworking my brain to not hate work has been a difficult task to overcome.
On the first day of orientation at film school, a soon-to-be graduating student came up to "welcome me" and said, "You see all these people in this room? Half of them won't graduate from here, and you want to know why? Because we don't want STUPID people at this school." True Story...I only stayed a year and left.
to add / reinforce some of the things said: there are fields that don't necessarily require an education / papers, and you can get into it with knowledge and experience. this is especially important to know if you happen to be unable to go to college/uni because of circumstances - be it money or whatever else.
i personally couldn't get a higher education and instead started working some crappy physical jobs, but i got into programming very early in high school and spent a significant amount of time learning it. after withering away for a couple of years in said physical jobs, i applied to software developer positions, and one of them was successful, i got the job, and i've been working in the field for about 5 years now.
what i'm trying to say: don't give up, there's always a way out, you just have to find it, grab it, and don't let go until you have it.
How to give this video a 1000 likes???? Your personal experience, your real-life stories are very helpful and insightful for someone not from the US, so thank you! Because when sometimes you think "oh, yeah, if I lived in the US, I would go to CalArts or USC and I'd be settled for life". But when you realize that even the people from the US cannot afford going to these schools and that the schools are basically focused on profit more than on teaching, it eases you frustration and your FOMO. So thank you guys so much for sharing this!
I think these days, college can put you in the mindset to learn. Im sure for many (Myself included) a passion will be that driving factor in self learning. But for others. Just even being enrolled into a school may be the thing giving them that push to continue learning on their own. per situation and person Ig! I got my Bachelors in Music production!
In one recent The Create Unknown episode Kevin Lieber was discussing "Quiet quitting" concept and part of their thought process aligns with work ethic you discuss here, they called it "quiet grinding"
My feelings before listening to this as a person who has never been to film school: "Probably in terms of learning you'd be better off just by yourself, but it's probably the best way to get to know people who want to do what you want to do and that aspect is very valuable, but if you already have a group of people who you can do that with, you'll probably gain pretty much nothing."
Me after listening the first 20 minutes: "Yup"
Cosigning this based on experience as well.
I am a computer science student, and I honestly hurts a little to go to college because pretty much everything I am learning can be learned online for free. The only issue is that I need structure to follow, college gives me that. I also need to have some accountability and college does that too. I practiced programming before college and I have done a lot of it for homework and I have never gotten tired of it. I love learning and using what I have learned in clever ways. I don’t regret college so far at all, but general ed classes are stupid. I am about to go from a community college to a university where I will get more into the weeds of computer science and I am looking forward to it.
I wanted to go to film school out of High School: ended up joining the Air Force instead.
It kind of worked out because my skills with video editing was recognized and I've done a couple dozen projects for the military.
Not exactly the career I was expecting, but one that I am grateful for and hope that over time this resume will land me something once I get out.
That’s really cool that you’re able to continue to be creative in the military. I love seeing things like this, and the different bands of the different branches and the like. Also thank you for your service.
This 100% is where I am at right now. I graduated from art school with my BFA in Graphic Design but now I want to learn 3D art and...I'm teaching myself with CZcams. It is so much faster and cheaper. You just need to have the drive and passion. Also my boy...Griffin, I'm right there with you. I had to buy my own supplies for all of the fine art classes.
Well I guess Wren is uh, SHOOTING a 360 video. 😆
This was such a valuable and honest chat. I share so many of the same feelings. I went to Uni to do animation, and really felt like it wasn't valuable as I was teaching myself from CZcams as I always had. I graduated about 4 years ago now, and in hindsight, I wouldn't take it back because of the friends I made, life experience and just the time I spent honing my craft myself, but now I have ended up keeping my filmmaking/animation/VFX as more of a hobby outside of a normal, unrelated job and that works for me at the moment. It allows me to be excited to get home and make what I wanna make, not what some executive wants me to make. Maybe I'll feel differently about it in a few years, but right now, it's much more personally fulfilling.
I cant speak for all schools, but i can give my two cents for that story at 6:00. if the head of the cirriculum is telling you two things are too similar, chances are that the major INCLUDES the minor, just the classes have different names. "Editting 101" is NOT the only class that will teach you editting, it just isnt the only focus for the cirriculum that want to make you more well rounded
I am a student of BA(Hons) Film and TV Production. I am currently in my second year, and all I can say is that it depends on you, and the opportunities provided by the school. The place where I attend actually used to be a college and it was only reinstated as a uni a couple of years ago. The town where I grew up in didn't have much to provide for a young apiring filmmaker like myself. And despite not doing so well in secondary school, I still could have gone to a more "prestigious" uni. But instead I chose this pretty new, "nothing special" place in this other hunky-dory town just outside London. For this second year now, every Friday, I go to Pinewood Studios as well, as part of those studies. All provided by the uni.
I think for someone, like myself, who is a complete film geek, and yet does not have any experience in filmmaking, even making my own stuff or just lacking in the confidence to make it, film school could possibly be a place to flourish and standout. Especially when one or two of your lecturers have doctorates and you perform more than well enough for them to be able to later give you positive references for future employment.
It may be that sometimes you just have to provide YOURSELF with the KNOWLEDGE through watching films and online resources/vidoes (I watch a lot of your guys' stuff). I just take the tools owned by the uni to be able to go off and make my own stuff, or to impress my lecturers with my vast knowledge and understanding of this huge and varied art form.
I had a similar experience as Jordan when it came to getting classes (for Comp Sci), in that no matter what (into my senior year), a bunch of other people always had priority over me and I was never able to get signed up for the classes I needed, so I was stuck taking classes that I didn't need just to keep my status as "full time student" so I didn't have to start paying back loans. I know some people have great college experiences, but it was not useful to me in the slightest, and I ended up just teaching myself.
I had a similar experience to griffin. Went to CMU (central Michigan university) for their top tier broadcast program. I did most of my actual technical learning on my own and CZcams/Google. But the people I met and the environment that helped me grow is what was worth the debt of going to film school
These are really awesome advice guys! THANK YOU!
Only 3 minutes in and just to leave my 2 cents here.
As someone who's self-taught in video editing, because there was no way for me to learn it quickly in my small town in Austria, I can see how difficult it is going into a course or university, that someone else made for you and that you have to follow step by step without any way to change direction or focus on something more now and something else later.
Of course, learning a program needs a system, but do I need to go through hours and hours to finally be able to work on a project? I don't think so.
I just opened Blender about 2 weeks ago and now recreated the office room from my work. It was surprisingly easy and Blender has so many little things and shortcuts to help you out and make using the program just smooth. And when I had questions I just had to google, for ex.: "How to make a table in Blender" or "How does lighting work in Blender", etc.
Getting an ad for an online film school while watching this was peak irony
Some of the best artists I've worked with in design and CG have studied fine art before either in school or self-taught. A lot of people who study fine arts go into concept art or VFX/CG.
I'm currently in vocational education to become a 3D generalist/product visualizer which partly includes VFX. Two years with full focus on practical work and internships! It feels like a catapult into the industry in comparison and it's what I'd recommend looking for.
i agree that film school, or any kind of art school tends to offer limited value in learning but something you guys touched on which I think is actually very valuable : it sometimes forces you to learn things that you wouldn't take the steps to learn if you were just self taught. Now, there is a fine balance there, you dont need an editor to learn all the ins and outs of directing or DP work but having a basic feel for those subjects van help you be a more well rounded artists, understanding the process and make it easier to get into new developments later. if you're just an editor, but you also learned the basics of lighting, going into 3D is gonna be a lot easier for you. While in school you might not see the value but the school makes you do it, being purely self taught, you'd miss out on that.
that all being said, this is from a european perspective where I paid only about 1500 a year for my education instead of potentially 10s of thousands, so that little bit of value in having someone force you to learn quickly becomes less and less relevant with those kind of prices.
I finished my first year in art collage and I didn't get to do what I am passionate about as much as I had hoped and I had been self learning blender in and out of class. I am now no long at art collage and I am working a part time job and using all of my spare time to experiment and work on projects in blender that I enjoy and am continuing self learn. This podcast has made me feel so much better about the choices I have made and inspires me to find out what I enjoy about cg and drives me to want to connect with others in the industry and find out as much as I can and learn from who ever I can. Do you think I should continue to build my portfolio until I feel like it show what I can truly do or just start throwing myself at internships or junior positions?
Portfolio 😎👌
I think from the overall conversation...it's up to you. They really emphasized the point that you need to be confident in what you CAN do and CAN LEARN to do, and also emphasized the point that having experience at the bottom of the rung helped lift them higher. If you're not confident in your portfolio, maybe working in outside gigs will help you solidify your vision of what you are capable of or are willing to do.
That is a better answer than I gave and for all the right reasons. IF you feel you need the confidence boost, a refresher in how to interact with a team and what to expect from the industry, then yes. Internships/junior positions can give you that 'trial by fire' experience.
That doesn't change my original answer though- if you're capable, willing and not easily upset by being let down, you can earn jobs and projects by clienteling/networking, believing in yourself, pushing hard and having a badass portfolio to back you up.
Even group projects, so long as you can explain what was done, how, what your position in creating the end result was- in my experience, that kind of ability and personality sets you above and beyond the new graduates.
Definitely good answers all around, and very sound reasoning to back them up. Wishing you luck in your future endeavors!
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As a 2022 graduate of Full Sail University with a Bachelor in Film Science, I can agree that there were big ups and downs. (Funny enough, I ended up getting to know Wes a little bit because he's an Alumni of Full Sail.) The discussion in this episode perfectly addresses the complicated nature of going to college for filmmaking. I went primarily for the connections and open resources to use for making things. However, the pandemic was in full swing when I started in fall of 2020, and so a lot of the resources we were promised were stripped away from us without telling the students. As a result, most of the classes we would've spent using gear and equipment was wasted on Zoom calls and other virtual meetings. Additionally, I wanted to be an editor and director for low budget films, but because of some of the limitations we had for doing projects, I got stuck working on most productions as a Gaffer and Grip, simply because I was the only one willing to experiment with lighting. Only after I graduated did people realize I liked being an editor above everything else. By the last half of my time there, things had gotten better, but we were still greatly restricted. So the most beneficial thing to come from it all was the connections because all of us were sick of the system that was in place, and instead resorted to making what we wanted collectively in retaliation to the college. Ended up making friendships and connections that will last a lifetime, and the adventures and experiences I had making stuff with those friends I would never trade. So my answer: Film school is an expensive way to make best friends, and don't be afraid to go against the grain.
I've been taking classes for advance manufacturing degree. I like classes that give you access to equipment that might not be available to people that can't afford it. However, you can work in the industry and learn on the job and still earn money. I'm fighting with my college to get my degree.
Awesome Video man!
This episode is amazing, it gives me so much to think about. I’m currently a senior in high school, I’m accepted to 3 colleges for film production. I’m lucky enough to have an awesome A/V class at my school so I have a good understanding of basic camera, editing, lighting, and directing skills. My parents insist that I go to college and will pay for it. What do you guys think I should do?
You guys have a website that you've already started putting masterclass like classes. Have you ever considered starting your own "school" where you give out a certificate for completing something? I feel like that could really be useful for resumes for people who would want to do grunt work.
very well-said stuff. came at the right time too. thanks a ton, really.
This is the best episode yet
For me personally, Film School was the best choice. Admittedly, I wasn't a "Film" Major, that was a different major at my Uni, but cut from the same cloth. The connections I made in Film School got me my current job, and I wouldn't have gotten that otherwise.
I had no idea Joanah went to Emerson 😂 my college (Fitchburg State) always tried to promote itself as the cheaper Emerson but I’m not always sure that meant better. With that said I did have a good educational experience.
Let me guess before it starts, go if you need to be surrounded by like minded individuals and you wont struggle with the debt. Don't go if you're self motivated and making stuff on your own already and have plenty of room to grow and don't feel limited.
Pretty much yeah. Though i guess slight correction. Even people who are the former will likely still struggle with the debt. Part of the gamble of going to film school is that you think you'll land a job eventually that will enable you to pay it back. A lot of people do, whether it's a film job or a "regular" job, but no one who isn't already rich is going into film school under the assumption they won't struggle with the debt. Most people going to film school are going in spite of the debt or knowing it's a necessary evil.
Great, honest conversation. This episode almost makes me want to quit being a doctor and start pestering movie sets offering to help out and shadow the crew! One day maybe....
I am still deciding whether or not to go. I feel like if I don't go, I won't catch my break.
Yes
One of my favorite episodes so far. There’s so much extremely useful advice here dude
I went to school for game development. And while an interesting and enlightening experience, I've only gotten my certificate and I'm mixed about going back for a diploma. Just things about how the course is structured, the resources they give you, the importance of portfolios. I've felt it's been a good way to get me sailing in a direction, but I don't feel it can add much value beyond that.
The funny thing about the whole "You can learn off CZcams" thing is that whenever the head of department gave us a game design lesson, it was always something that could be found online, word for word. He got exposed and resigned and left to go study game design in Europe, but it was a funny thing of "Yeah, practice and youtube contribute more to my learning than lessons"
An art program is only worth their salt if they are also forcing you to hone style as well. Technique can be learned online, style is done through practice, and often time the biggest plus an art school can give is harsh but honest critique that can help prevent you from falling into a trap of only having technique but not having true artistic style.
Edit: also check out digipen if you are interested in going to a high quality school for game design. It's Valve's scout school essentially
Wish I knew this 15 yrs ago lol. Great episode!
General rule of thumb when thinking do you need university or not:
1. Is the profession such, that the people practicing that profession should be officially validated for that profession from society's point of view? (Doctor, lawyer, structural engineer, teacher, psychologist)
2a. If yes: Go to university if you can afford it.
2b. if no: Do you want to pay big bucks for the connections and environment?
3a. If yes: Go to university.
3b. If no: Don't go to university.
If you need the university study something that doesn't actually require the diploma etc. you probably wouldn't do it anyways. The connections can help, but one can do the studying alone as well and it's important to understand, that you're not actually going to the university to study in that kind of a situation.
Swiss is my favorite.. It just has a nice, nonchalant taste of cheese with bullet holes
Love it...
Does anyone have any advice for aspiring screenwriters? I've done some online courses and am starting a part-time one in couple of days, but I'm considering going to film school near me, where screenwriting is one of the many disciplines on the course, though you do specialise in years 2 and 3 and by the end of it get the budget to make your own festival school
Moral of the story dance in your application video or reel and get hired
A big problem is many people are not self-starters as a result of the k-12 education system. Without a ability for self teaching most are still going to need the post-secondary institutions.
Australia does not require general ed classes. Most of my mates graduated before they were 21.
I don't live in USA so a lot of stuff doesn't apply here like paying for college, but i was curious, what is a PA? or PA work?
This is exactly what happened to me at Emerson, I did take some great production classes for 2 years but also a ton of gen Ed’s, only thing is as a transfer student I made maybe 4 good friends but didn’t exactly get super involved socially as much as I wanted with the community. I also was PAing as the same time as taking classes on industry shoots in the area. I decided to take a step back as I wasn’t enjoying the experience and resource’s anymore.
Maybe
I didnt go to college because even 10 years ago it seemed a huge waste of money. Ive learned more applicable things to my life after highschool using CZcams.
I haven't seen but i am putting my point in comments before i do
I am shifting from India to Canada (whenever the study visa comes across) I am doing this huge shift in life from being a self taught Blender 3D artist to the industry tool maya (ew) in Think Thank Training centre one of the best schools and fastest ways to upskill in 3d, game and VFX.
The reason i am doing this is because i find all the schools here very bad and i could teach them more than they could teach me, that's how bad the schools are here.
I want to get out of the peanuts pay scale in India for design and VFX to a more lucrative headstart in a foreign land and get to explore new places, take photographs and keep on hopping countries. The only way i can do this is by getting into a good school which helps me improve a lot, make connections, grow as a person and make my dreams come true.
For me this school will make a lot of things different, mentally and skill wise both
Honestly it doesnt sound like school to me.
And then 21:00 confirms it XD
School should be about gaining the knowledge, the skills and the attitude to succeed in whatever you are doing in your future job.
Most of the benefits you guys mention are not school related. They are mostly community related.
So I'm already extremely on the fence about continuing my Game Design degree, right? I was denied to go to my state universities, so I had to settle with a community College education. Which has been fine so far, but I got minimal knowledge on Unreal Engine (our professor left to go get a better job), and my 3D rendering/animating knowledge is being done on Lightwave, which I can't practice at home unless I have 1,000 bucks to burn for a license. And I still have to take a number of unecessary classes just to be able to qualify for a transfer program to an actual university with better resources (where all the stars in the eyes appear, I know) IF I'M LUCKY, and I'm struggling to part with only hundreds of dollars compared to the thousands of dollars per semester if I went to an actual art school, which I almost did.
I more than qualified with my art skill alone which I learned from books and comics. I learned more at my graphic design program at my high school then it's looking like I will ever learn in college, apparently. In essence, it really doesn't feel like a step up, goimg to college... it kinda just feels like 13th and 14th grade. Which duh, I know, but to me, I'm not getting the work experiences that I needed, or I guess wanted. The only thing that keeps me going towards the university route is the fact that I m I g h t get an opportunity for an internship or job... which I desperately need, so there you go.
My suggestion might not be what you want to hear, but maybe take a small loan out? Pay it back quickly so as not to ruin whatever credit score you have currently. Ask family for money. Ask friends for help. Ask your college teachers- my wife was given a free code to a version of a software by her teacher.
Where there is a will there is a way.
You got this. 😎👌
I am currently in film school and i think its awsome (its free cause i live in Norway) so there is really no reason not to
As someone who did a degree trying to get into the sound industry, and very much regret it. I have a friend who found a course which was run by a guy who wirjs in the industry, and he used his contacts to place you in work experience in the job you want, along with some training. It makes so much more sense than a university degree.
Reminds me of something i read just yesterday about VICE. Apparently a very high end production studio but also a very bad place to work. They take graduates straight out of college offer them 30% below the average going cost for the work they do and promise them that by working FOR VICE they'll earn the skills and relationships that will carry them forward into a successful future.
All the while running them 10/11/12hr days with no overtime. Conflicting direction. Stressful work environment.
Ugh🙄
It's one thing to say, "Finish what you start." However, there is also merit in knowing about the sunk cost fallacy. There are plenty of projects that people want you to negotiate a price for or that you will take on because you need the money that are ultimately not worth completing. If you are a struggling artist and you are to take on a project for $600, having been told that the demands of the project are fairly straightforward, only to then find that the footage you are handed is a fucking mess that would take experienced artists 80 hours to complete, then don't fucking finish the project. Most people will have very limited time to burn when they are starting out and this industry is chock full of people with absolutely no shame in trying to get something for nothing from you. Fuck those people, fuck those projects. There are seasoned pros that have a standard operating procedure that will include finding someone who doesn't know any better and burning them out. There is no shame is abandoning ship on a project that requires you to work for too little.
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I went to Art School and studied VFX and Animation. Made it halfway through an Associates and had to really ask myself was this education worth all the debt? Am I learning more teaching myself off CZcams then any of my classes? And so I dropped out and have gotten jobs with the skills I continued to learn for free more or less.
Colleges facilitate learning. They are overpriced, but at least for me, there is no way i would have just known what to look at and where to look without those 4 years
i was self taught on drums for 15 years now im moving on to film production. self taught is 100% possible with youtube being around.
Facts😎👌
but the sad thing is that most company requires a degree to apply for work :(
No
High price to pay for networking. Life is way....to short for that. CZcams is the new Film School.
You're right, but some people need that network. When used correctly it's a great tool to get in the door. Lots of people can use affordable or free tools and CZcams tutorials but a ton of those people won't make it into the industry because of the nepotism factor at play in the industry. Or at the very least it would be a harder road for them. Whereas the network you form in a film school can get you a foot in the door before you even know what you're doing. Lots of industry jobs will often take someone who needs to be taught but is a friend of a friend or is great to work alongside/has a great personality over someone who's experienced but otherwise an unknown. So i think it's valid to play to that route if you feel like that's more where your strength lies. It's literally what happened for me and then i learned what i needed on the job, which is fairly common thing to happen. So the film school debt was worth it (for me), even though it was A LOT. Other people have the inverse experience too though obviously. Lots of people who are self taught get discovered because a project they made on their own with their own little team got noticed, but that happens way less often then people think it does, but that does still also open different doors that just having a network doesn't. Neither way is incorrect or objectively better though, but it just depends on what you feel is right for you or which one (knowledge versus network) you feel you're lacking in. Ultimately you'll need both in the mid to long run.
The same is true in China
Damn Nick looks like a villain from The Nice Guys wow
self taught artist. left a corporate sales job of 20 years to be a freelance/convention artist, absolutely zero regrets with zero degree. youtube has been an incredible tool to fill the learning gaps.
afterthought... i think a lot boils down to HOW you learn. if you can learn on your own/need an instructor, that will dictate a lot, but having a mentor is critical either way. ok bye.
Your story gives me hope. I'm also a self-taught artist working 9 to 5 in healthcare but I lack the confidence to leave my job for good to do what I love full-time. Still feels like I got a lot to learn still before I feel good enough to make the jump.
@@mayonaissse keep at it! i think most artists (and people in general) struggle with confidence, I know I sure did. the tipping point for me was walking through an artist alley at a comic con and comparing where I knew I was as an artist vs what I saw at the show. I knew I was at least AS good as half the folks there, so I decided to sign up for the next show. I learned so much just from taking that first step, what works, what doesn't, and where I want to spend my time and focus. I went full time a year and a half ago, I have improved exponentially in that time vs trying to squeeze art in after a long day on the job. take those steps that you know you need to take to improve and the steps you need to make to put yourself out there and you can do it!! good luck!!
ur like 2 months late bruh i alr choose business wth
This whole discussion simply shows how bad the American school system is (i'm from belgium, very different story)
tip no. 1 don't study in the usa ^^