Everything you wanted to know about my bike carb 4age engine
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
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So here's a little video I decided to make to give you guys some overview of all the specs of my bike carb 4age since I got a lot of questions after posting my funkiest ever engine rebuild video.
So the video will cover everything you need to know about the carbs, jetting, velocity stacks, camshafts, pistons, compression, the head gasket, the block, the valve springs, and a lot of other aspects of the engine.
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Congrats for reaching 2k subscribers I'm glad to be one of them, I'm looking forward to seeing your finished build. (:
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I'm not sold on the carbs yet. It will be interesting to see how they work out. Thanks for sharing.
D4A is pioneering the bike carb conversion, get ready for mazda to adopt it into their new crossovers
Wait until you hear them :)
After driving old carburated cars and eventually moving up to my 85 FI MR2 there's no way in hell I'm going back to that technology. Couldn't go through large puddles without killing the damn engine. Lol. But I still enjoy the channel.
J. Hunto's Garage carburetor sounds much nicer than itbs, much more raspy.
@@Darumacandy They are not pioneering the bike carb conversion... Killer video to bring awareness, but the Bogg Brothers in the UK pioneered the bike carb conversions.
Nice build, im always been fascinated by 4age engine.16v or 20v, you know its a 4age when you hear its unique sound coming from the ITB's ,well in your case from carburetors with velocity stacks.
Hey bro, very nice video, i am learning english and i can understand you easily.
Now you have a new subscriber :D
Juan José Carvajal Arevalo Welcome onboard :)
amazing quality bump in these new vids! This channel seriously deserves more recognition!
Dennis Vanderben I improved my editing skills a bit and got some more equipment. I'm really glad it shows :)
Like someone else said. You trapped me! I immediately sub after the "funky 4AGE build". I love how you answer all the question. Your going to be big man! keep up the good work.
Something between the accent, information, and comedy you have yourself a great channel.
Glad I found it
Nathaniel Mathies Glad to have you on board and thank you for the kind words :)
fun build! will stay tuned. i ditched my bike carbs (fj1100) for bike itbs (yamaha r6 2003/4) because the bike carbs were too pricey to maintain/refurbish, and the bike itbs were cheap as chips + i can tune on the fly instead of disassembling everytime. :)
Ricerguy Hmmm. Sounds tempting. Something to think about in the future definitely.
could depend on the age of the carbs i had, a brand new remanufactured set was about 1200ish usd, or 80usd per diaphram/slide (mine started to get pinholes) and my emulsion tubes were worn, forgot the price of those. but i got lucky and found the r6 itbs for a steal and the avg price was 60 - 90 usd on ebay, they came with the injectors, harness, tps, map sensor, air temp sensor ( yamaha air temp sensor is the same as my toyota one ) and i'm running a microsquirt v3. do you have an instagram account? :d
Ricerguy hmmmm my 1jz's should work with that aswell do you think ?
the microsquirt could run a 1jz, but for your individual setup you need to investigate if all the features are right for you :)
Ricerguy i will look futher into this thankyou
Your camera work and editing are always beautiful, I love it.
Very good video sir, i just finished my own DELLORTO DHLA 40 4AGE build in my KE70. Love the content and keep it up
You can install electric vacuum pump for brake booster as well, i believe people use them for offroad vechicles so water won't leak to intake through brake booster
True. Good tip!
That carburetor are just enough for your 4A since it is more or less stock .too large of a carb losses out on the bottom end with heavy gas consumption .good video and the engine are super nice 🌞
Did my Piperx in black as well. It's a good look, but difficult to see where to align filter when working around firewall 😂
When will we hear how it sounds?..I would love hear that 4age sounds with that carbs
Soon. I am working hard on it whenever I can. Currently I am sorting through some wiring issues. I expect to be able to fire it up within a couple of weeks.
Thats amazing keep inspiring people with the project you doing.
@@d4a forever with the wiring issues. Learning the smallport was easily enough done, but then going to high comp (1991 usdm) TViS, then to black top. Engines themselves are awesome, but I get the brain pain moving between years and chassis
Hey i see it & like but i have no contact anyway i am Daryl
congrats on 20k!
MrSapper21 Thank you :)
20 tis subskrajbera?!?! Ma svaka cast i pohvala, trud se isplati a i sadrzaj je fantastican, jedva cekam videe stelanja i voznje, zanima me razlika u zvuku između karbova i itba sa injektorima ako je uopce ima... btw, neznam mozda dali si razmisljao o olaksavanju serijskog zamasnjaka, ja sam na svom autu odradio i mogu ti rec da sam jako zadovoljan, cak bi rekao da nema nikakvih downsideova, kostalo me oko 500-600 kn kod nas u hr (70-80€) olaksavanje i balansiranje, skinuo bi mu oko kile, mozda kilu i pol i mislim da bis bio zadovoljan
Nice video Bro... Congrats for 20k subscribers nice work..
Thanks for you effort :) Regarding running no map sensor you are going to have a hard time without vacuum advance on your timing map. Like going up a hill at low throttle input and load under idle speed.
Can you explain this more, especially the "under idle speed" part? Naturally aspirated engines of this size can't go up a hill at low throttle anyway lol the 4age doesn't have any torque at all :)
When you are in traffic and you want to move forward without using the accelerator then by having a vacuum signal mapped correctly it will add timing. And 4AGE has enough torque haha.
Map signal works so much better with TPS
Thank you for all the info .
I need this engine soo badly
keep up the good work
The 4age isn't used enough in builds. It's definitely as good as some older VTEC motors.
What do you expect, the 4AGE was only in the carolla and mr2. Both of which are relics of the past. Good luck finding one for a reasonable price.
@@kknocks2378 They were in production for 15 yers and plenty of them was made
@@kknocks2378 and they were also used in Celica and Carina
Been watching for a while and this sum-up definitely helped bring it all together. I'm working on a 20v swap in my '85 now and I'm already swamped without trying to document everything and do all the video editing, etc. I'd like to share more but I feel like it takes twice as long when filming. Any workflow tips?
Oh man I could talk about that for hours. I went through so many different stages of working/filming/editing you would not believe it. It's a really complex process and takes quite some time to improve. One big thing that helped me is to write a small bullet point script for every video. I used to just record and start talking without thinking what I want to say and what is actually relevant. I would then end up with a lot of useless footage that was a nightmare to edit. So maybe like this. Think about what is relevant, don't even film anything else. Visualize the video before you start recording it. Make reminders about what to focus on while filming. As soon as you have footage edit it. Don't let it pile up, it will confuse you later. So this is just where I am at right now, and I will probably figure out something better later on and my future self will yet again laugh at my present self. For some reason I imagined my future self with a monocle giggling in an irritant manner and saying "oh my dear naive boy".
Wow, thank you! I'll give that a shot.
I really enjoy the molting process. It's nice looking back and being reminded of improvements made.
driving 4 answers Great advice! I have definitely learned a lot over time too, but it is true that it takes longer if filming pretty much no matter what.
Nice Work! 😍
Hey man! Big thumbs up to you & your channel. Been a proud subscriber to your channel for a while now 😉
Still a question: by now, you probably have the car on the road - how does it drive? Also, does your engine consume/burn any oil after you’ve overhauled it?
Cheers from Belgium 🇧🇪
Hey there, thank you for your continued support. Car is not yet on the road as it's winter here, lots of snow and I won't drive it before spring. So we will know everything in Spring. I do expect quite a bit more carb tuning once I start driving. I don't expect to know whether it burns oil as I change oil far sooner than recommended. I will keep changing it often until I get the carbs completely dialed in as they are running rich for safety now, and the overly rich mixture dilutes the oil sooner than normal. Feel free to ask if you have any other questions.
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i'm in plan of using a similar setup on my Suzuki, similar carbs, but 1.3l 8v, mild cam, port and polished head, 10.5 compression
Sounds like a cool engine. I love Suzukis. Which Suzuki is it?
itìs a Suzuki samurai, the little 4x4 you see in my image. I could use the 16 version of my engine, which is a dohc design with forged pistons and better rods from factory. It was used in the Suzuki swift GTI. I didnt use that becouse it was pretty expensive so I choose to build my original one, hope to see something around 100hp
guido invernizzi I'm a big fan of the samurai. Rode in one ages ago, super uncomfortable but insane fun! Just be careful when going through water, the carbs can easily suck in water. Maybe make one of those snorkel things for the intake?
ahahah you true, i will not try to go into water like in my photo with this setup, since i will put pipercross or ramair sponge filter. I dont want to use a snorkel since I need to cut the chassis so it will be a street car only, no more offroad
i like how you've mix n matched factory parts to build a better engine, I've done the same with my sr18di Nissan. its easy to just buy this and that kit from eBay and away ya go, but the JDM cars are funny how subtle changes between models when mixed together can make a pretty peppy package. my engine turned out similar in that I was able to increase duration and lift, compression and wind up speed using g all factory parts. my only downside was my factory ecu being odb1 had a few issues calculating things so I had to invent some wiring ( could not find any info on my di version Sr) to get it running right ( Ish ) I really need an aftermarket ecu to properly dial in a tune but from the feelometer I'd say around a 30-40hp increase.
Feelometer lol :) I like your approach. Where there is a will there is a way! I bet an aftermarket ECU will make that sr18di really shine.
driving 4 answers a basic rundown is after 16 years and 530k she broke a ring or two and was burning more oil than gas. I found a donor n14 gti pulsar, pulled the flat top pistons ( mine were dished ). cams from non roller gti highport on my roller lowport head, shaved head, gti headers ( on the di with its smaller ports the factory gti 4-2-1 headers are as good as extractors, gti flywheel, and removed weird intake baffle / butterfly's in each port.
driving 4 answers issues arised from removing the intake baffle thing. it was vacuum actuated and had a sensor to adjust mixture. with it just hanging it was telling ecu to supply idle mixture. now with it bridged its sends wot mixture all the time. so she's over fueling until wide open but that kinda suits my driving style anyway. I'd like to build my own system but I cannot find any literature in the di. even the Nissan workshop manuals exclude it.
Bro Tang I vote standalone ECU. Figuring that out sounds like a nightmare. Sounds like an engine with potential.
Liked the previous video of the build. Wanted to know why most people do a distributor delete and they run something else?
Just me or between 2:12-2:13 if you slow the video down the URL link on the NODIZ system changes?
So what do bike carbs actually do and how're they different from the normal setup? Also is getting a second exhaust cam and putting it on the inlet side something you can do with any car. And finally I have a 4AGZE AE92 Trueno that I rebuild recently and on the exhaust cam it had a gear to drive the distributor, did you do anything to get rid of that?
Please build one of these engines for my AW11!!! I'd want 264° cams in mine tho :)
Very nice build.. ! Is it a three rib or a seven rib block ? 40mm or 42mm bearing journals crankshaft ? Keep up the good work !
Thank you. It's a 7 rib block with a 42mm crankshaft.
im not hating the carbs, but injected bike throttle bodies would be much more easy do deal with. and for ecu microsquirt.
Hey just to clarify, what is the word that you were saying at 04:30
I heard intake holsdales?. I am not familiar or my speaker is bad
I need to know what kit your using to install your crank angle sensor ?, I’m in the process of removing my distributor and setting up COP ignition, thanks, great vids by the way
Hello sir , what is the advantage of this cylinder head over the stock head that came on my 1983 corolla wagon with the 1.6 engine ?
And thank you for the videos ...
This is also a stock cylinder head, it just has been rebuilt, ported a bit and polished. Which engine is one your corolla? 4afe? Thanks for watching.
Why going turbo matter on aggressive cams
Do you need different sized belts for the pulleys and alternator?
great video, subbed to you! Whats the intro song?
Mateus DOHC Welcome onboard :) song is "Kiss" by Escape.
Would I be able to do this same setup (bike fuel pump/nodiz/trigger wheel ect..) but with Weber carbs?
The engine that's in my car is a
4 A-C ,, SOHV .
My queston is will the 16 valve head fit my engine block , and will it increase the horsepower ?
Thank you for the reply...
As far as I know the 4age 16v twin cam head fits on the 4ac block. It's the same block. But the internals of your block are different to the 4age internals. They are not designed for the same rpms and will not last long at high rpms were the 4age head makes most power. Also the indents for the valves in your pistons won't be right. I think it's a lot easier to get a whole 4age engine and just swap it into your corolla. The 4age engine is still relatively plentiful. You can find it on junkyards, engine importers or breakers I guess.
Koliko te kostao tako uradjen motor i koliko kostalo da se mapa uradi poslije takvih prerada
Did I miss the HP/kW ratings? Or are those mentioned in another video?
very interesting! have you done any dyno runs yet? i'd be very interested in how much power it actually makes.
Haven't even installed the engine yet. But there will be a lot of dyno runs after I start it up.
Pretty interesting that 600cc supersport motorcycle carb is well compatible with unmodded 1.6 liter car engine. Will you use Yamaha Genesis carb if you mod the 20v 4 age? That engine also use 5 valves per cylinder.
Hmm if I ever do get a 4age 20v I would consider it. Sounds logical, but my 20v knowledge is a lot weaker then my 16v knowledge :) One day, who knows. Maybe a turbo 20v 9age or some other craziness :)
What mpg you get using this setup
Uh did you do a shim under bucket conversion when you did the cams ?, higher lift duration cams on the 4age require the shim under bucket kit to prevent the edge of the cam from catching` on the valve bucket and destroying the entire engine
if you plan on revving this thing to beyond 7k you absolutely gotta have it
The 4age in its stock form revs to 7.600 rpm without a shim under bucket setup. I didn't do a conversion because I have a mild cam. A shim under bucket conversion is needed only on some seriously aggressive cams. Thanks for watching :)
fair enough with the cop and ecu talk, but how did you time your cams ? and what is the compretion ratio ?
You mean dial in? I have to admit I didn't dial in the cams. My plan is to just keep dyoning the car at different cam gear degrees until I get the best possible setting :)
I wonder what do you do for living? nice video always take care!
I have an MA in democracy and human rights and work in development projects. I don't like my job. I want to work on cars for a living :)
That was i want to hear from you :) i hope you get what you want!
If the carb kit cames jetted why did u buy a jet kit?
Only the main jets are changed. Pilot jets and needle height are also important to get a proper air fuel mixture throughout the entire rev range.
Song name? Loving the build dude.
Intro song is "Kiss" by Escape
Hopefully you don’t get a lean mixture because a lot of people have had issues with carbs on 4age engine and causing it to run lean at higher RPM’s .because you just can’t run the carbs as they are not enough fuel for the 4age engine I’ve seen holes in pistons and damage to ring lands and liner or sleeve
You're right, the carbs as they are will usually make a funny air fuel mixture. This of course makes sense since they were originally intended to supply fuel to a 600cc motorcycle, which weighs less then a third of my mr2. But that's where jetting and my AEM wideband gauge come in place. I will have constant real time air fuel mixture monitoring to avoid leaning out and will jet the carbs accordingly at different throttle positions.
driving 4 answers cheers for the reply mate hopefully you’ll sort out any fuel related issues . many people tell me about their 4age engine with carbs conversion it’s something different /fun to drive ,but has a couple of issues most people just leave it with the fuel injection but I’ve seen them both go head to head on the race track and it’s very even maybe only if it’s was a turbo 4age with fuel injection. I’ve got 3 4age engines one being a 20v in my ae82 had originally a small port 16v ,and now I’m planning to put that 16v in a ford laser KE fwd
What year and model Toyota should I look for the 4age engine to fit in my 83 corolla wagon ?
I have noticed on the front wheel drive engines that the distributor is mounted on the very rear of the cylinder head ..
Ronnie Sellers Basically, If your corolla is a rwd car you need a 4age from another rwd car. Same if it's fwd. I suggest you start in the club4ag forums. Lots of useful info there when you start digging.
Why 2 exhaust cams I'm curious Why you chose this setup
Nice midrange, nice idle. I could have gone with the more aggressive intake cam but I was on the stock rev limited ecu back then, and making peak power at 7200 or so really doesn't make sense with the stock ECU and a street driven car.
Only question I have is can I have it? Seriously though nice build
why did u decide to go bike carbs an not 20v itbs with a standalone ecu?
Go to ebay and look up the prices of 20v 4age itb's.
That's the reason :P
Part of it. I also think carbs are cool. Maybe I'm stupid, who knows
This is old-sCOOLER? *facepalm
driving 4 answers would you evwr put a Holley carb on a 4 cyl?
I thought the f4 was fuel injected?
F4i only
Will those 600cc carb works on a corolla ke50 4k engine?
They should be, especially if the engine has been modified a bit. Making a manifold might be tricky as it's not a crossflow engine, but I've seen dozens of non crossflow bike carb converted engines, so it's definitely not impossible.
@@d4a thanks man. really appreciate!
Did u use a fuse for the no nodizz? If so what amp fuse did you use?
I used a relay and a fuse. Can't remember amparege, but there's a recommendation for it in the Nodiz manual. 15amp I think but don't take my word for it.
@@d4a thanks daddy
what is the name of the song in your intro?
Kiss by Escape
nodiz ignition set up.. ???
czcams.com/video/FyRz7ZbyJ6o/video.html
What is the manifold ?
DanST engineering manifold. Check the links in the description.
I'm lost as to how this is different from a ITB stand point? ITB vs. Bike carb? Looks the same to me well i guess other than the fact itb typically right? Typically uses fuel injection, port injection or w\e and bike carb is a carb lol.
You said it. ITB is fuel injection and a carb is a carb. Supplies fuel by relying on the venturi effect, whereas the itbs rely on fuel injectors. The word itb is kinds misleading though. It stands for individual throttle bodies and explains nothing about fuel delivery. Bike carbs are also ITBs because they do have an individual throttle body for each cylinder. So it would be more appropriate to say a fuel injected engine with itbs or an engine with bike carbs. But since we all know what is what, just saying itbs is just as good.
Haha, thanks. yea i said it
technically its not a 4A-GE anymore its a 4A-CE cause its not electronically injected but carbed
True. But everyone knows what a 4age is so it makes more sense to still use that. Also, it should actually be 4AGC. 4A is the block, G means performance cylinder head and E (which is electronic fuel injection) gets replaced by C (carb). :)
driving 4 answers lol I always get performance and fuel delivery codes mixed up but yeah I understand I’m personally studying to become a t10 so I just felt like pointing it out 😇
Wait what? Did you just run two exhaust cams???
Yes I did. Two exhaust cams from the catcams 4age mildest set
driving 4 answers Your a madman hahaha. Don't you need more lift/duration on intake side though?
Why not run R6 or R1 carbs on that yamaha head?
Too large for street driving and my cams. The result is pathetic torque at low and mid rpm.
If it works N/A it works boosted
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What is the HP estimate ?
basti_co A stock F4 CBR600 is about 95hp at the wheels. Given that these carbs are jetted, I'd think about 130-odd...
basti_co 75 lol. Jk, like 140. Maybe 145 or 150 if I'm crazy lucky. That's at the crank.
Ottsel 400RR You're probably closer than my overly optimistic estimate
Sounds like good usable power for enjoyable driving. Best of luck going forward :) Sry saw that late didn't get a notification
Does anyone know how difficult it is to do the head gasket on this engine for a first timer
If it is your first ever job on a car, like you never even changed the oil before then I would not recommend it. But that's not to say that you can't do it. I would suggest you start with the factory service manual a.k.a. the BGB (big green book) where there are detailed instructions on how to replace the head gasket and everything else. A plus is that this is an old school engine so it's far less complicated than modern marvels of engineering. At a minimum you will need to remove the head and get it to a machine shop to have it straightened again. You will need a few other gaskets replaced as well, mostly for coolant. Replacing the head gasket might also be a good opportunity to upgrade the engine a bit, maybe put it in some sporty cams, since you will be removing them anyway. I would also suggest replacing the water pump and the thermostat, since they are inexpensive items.
Daniel Maldonado learn to do maintenance first, then once you know the components of the engine, and can get to the gasket, the only problem will be having the right tools. 4 cyls are easy
John S ikw how to rip it from head to toe but I just don’t want to fuck up on the timing and torque spec on the head cylinder
Daniel Maldonado you could mark the chain to the cams and drive shaft, besides you can learn do do timing, you'll be fine unless you want to practice on another engine
I just took the head off a 4age today. It looks like a right old tedious job. Ill need some motivation to crack on with it......i might just bung a 20v in instead.
gotta paint the whole car to navy blue and cant wait to see if you will install a new exhaust pipes and everytjing that goes with it for a better sound and controlled combustion some new wheels hehe, new brakes maybe but that can be done from time to time not that i say you need to do it all at once
Dyno sheet please
Soon. I need to install the engine first :)
driving 4 answers you can run it outskde the engine on a testing stand, if you dont have one, you should take it to a garage that has one
When I see 999 likes: Well here's the 1000th
The engine in my car is a 4 A-C . SOHV
The queston I have is will this 16 valve cylinder head increase the
horsepower of the 4 A-C 1.6 ?
Also are theses heads still available, and where might I find one ..
Thank you for the reply....