Better give a "shameless plug" to past travel companions. "Living on the Edge" listed for sale www.yachtworld.com/boats/1984/oceania-42-sundeck-trawler-3567692/
Great idea! We just pinned your comment to the top of the comments. We didn't know they had Living on the Edge for sale when we did the video. I'll also add the link in the description of the vid. Thanks!
I’ve been enjoying you guys for about a year. You’re one of a small handful of channels that I relish for your cheerfulness, good information, lack of cheap clickbait tactics and so much more. I also love the respect and friendship between you two. You’re lovely and fun and I hope to share an anchorage with you one day. Meanwhile, if you ever decide to write a book about your experiences, I’ll not only be the first one to buy it, but I’ll happily publish it for you. (I am serious. Google me so you know I’m not a whacko, lol. ) Until then, thank you so much for letting me cruise with you at a time when I can’t do it myself. It means a lot to me.
Thank you so much Dawn. Comments like this are such an inspiration to us. We actually have thought about a book, so you never know what the future hold. Your very kind offer is greatly appreciated. We are going to get some of your books to read this year while floating on the hook in the Bahamas. 😃
I love you two, you are so easy going, down to earth good people. Your videos are awesome, love seeing your adventures and learning the cost to do what you do. Keep exploring and making videos, and always, Live, Love, Laugh, enjoy life to the fullest! 😎
Loved this video. My wife and I left Chattanooga TN last Sept and cruised for 11 months ending up in Palm Coast FL, great marina resort. We actually ended up buying a condo at the marina SO, our expenses are a bit more than yours but, the cruising aspect is generally the same, it is not a hobby for the financially weak:) You really can't put a budget to the experience as stuff happens, things break and food is too good not to eat. Keep the videos coming, I hope someday our wakes will cross. Try Key West in Jan, we will be there .
I've been considering the liveaboard life. The fact that your costs have been lower, makes me think this is more of an option for me. Thanks for the info.
Great to see you guys, with the backdrop of Toronto, next best thing to seeing you on the boat. I have only had the pleasure of two very short, (one overnight and one slightly longer two day), visits to this beautiful city, so I hope one day to get back for a proper visit. I suppose with my surname being Lundy, I should fit in! Looking forward to part two. Andrew.
Thanks Andrew! Yes, this is the first time we have spent any long term time in Toronto. It is growing on us. Everything at your fingertips. Still would rather be floating at a remote island in the Bahamas. 😉
Just total everything that exited your accounts during the time on the boat. Including things back home that needed to be maintained. I'm thinking personally I'd have at least a house back home to maintain plus the boat.
Great info and ignore the trolls. Just a small thing noticed by a former numbers guy, you were in The Bahamas for six months and spent about $4,800 on meals out. That’s about $800 a month. The next year you were there eight months, so eight times $800 equals $6,400. That’s as close to following a plan or budget as you can get. And I agree that meals at local places (not international chains) are a cultural event, especially if most or all ingredients are sourced locally. Cheers
Great video. We love you guys. Thanks for all the info. The fuel expense is a lot less than I would have guessed for the distance that you guys traveled.
Thanks! Yes we are also surprised with the fuel costs as well. Most people focus on the fuel costs when planning this type of lifestyle, however we have found that fuel isn't something to really be concerned about.
If you have a sailboat, or electric engines and solar power, you could go back to florida every couple of weeks for provisions and it wouldn't cost anything.
We know a lot of people with sailboats, and some with electric and solar. Non of them ever go back to Florida for provisions. The only ones who go back to FL for provisions are charter motor yachts. I have a feeling dealing with weather and crossing the gulf stream make doing provision runs to FL quite the ordeal.
Great information. We launch this summer Full Time RVing. It is interesting to watch you guys!! We look forward to following along! Thanks for sharing this video with us.
For myself, eating out just wouldn't happen. This actually ties into another point you listed, healthcare. I have both severe COPD ( Chronic Obstructed Pulmonary Disease ) and adult onset Asthma, combined they make crowds a toxic environment so eating out is a no go. They also add to the healthcare costs with higher premiums and the costs of my 4 puffers. ( $400.00 CDN / month here in BC ) So while one expense would be lowered the other would be increased, likely to higher than the reduction is.
So sorry to hear about your health issues. Agreed that would make things a little more complicated. Hopefully though, this doesn't get in the way of being on the water, if that is something you desire to do. Or get in the way of any dreams you would like to accomplish. All the best to you my friend!
So glad you guys are ok. Love the videos to much to have you guys washed away. But it's sad to see your sailing friends are selling their boat. Are they moving back on land or getting another boat or what. Hopefully nothing bad.
Not washed away yet John! Barry and Diane are getting a smaller boat. They don't plan on any long distance cruising in the future, so a smaller boat will suffice.
Lol..that's good. And I hate to hear about Barry and Diane. They seem like they really enjoyed traveling. It's always sad to hear some good things come to an end or have to slow down. Well I hope their health is well. And you two keep my hopes alive with your videos. I've got either 2 years or 7 more years. I'm one bad cup of coffee away from retiring out. The 7year marker gives me alot more to live off of. But we'll see.
Interesting info...thank you for sharing. Obviously everyone is different but I would be curious as to the premium you paid (say in the way of food) being out on a boat versus staying at home. What about other things? Could you attach a premium to boating versus staying at home and watching boating vids on your 8k TV?
Hi Ian. To be honest there was no premium, or extra cost to being on the boat vs our land based life. Some things are actually cheaper. Food is about the same. Our connectivity and communications is cheaper, which is surprising. There may be a premium on repairs and maintenance, though if you compare an old boat to an old house maybe these numbers align. For us overall, this lifestyle is slightly cheaper than it use to be in our land based life. We have less fixed expenses, and we would always have a boat, even if land based, so we cut out the cars and the house. The only thing that put us over the edge in the last two years is maintenance and repairs, which we will get into in the next video coming Sunday.
Video Request - We also are in Ontario, Canada (near Stratford) and want to do exactly what you are doing. The mandatory 5 months in Ontario to keep our Provincial Medical coverage is necessary. The question is: What do you do with all your stuff when you leave the boat in Florida? Do you have 2 of everything? Stuff on the boat and stuff in Ontario? Or do you fly it all back and forth? How does that work? Thanks! LOVE the videos!
No, we don't have 2 of everything. We travel light back to Canada. 2 carry-ons and two backpacks is all we have for our time in Canada. We fly back and forth when we don't bring the boat up to Canada. For the last two years though, we have been on the two year leave, which OHIP allows ever 5 years. Cheers Dave! Hope this helps.
Informative video, Toronto is one of our favorite (favourite for you guys) cities. Would be nice to know your marina costs and how many days you stayed in marinas. Waiting patiently for part 2 hoping to find out the costs of reliable communication back home and what percentage of the time you had to be completely off line as I'd like to be reachable for emergencies. Having any work done on C-Shels while in you're in Canada or are you waiting to get back to Florida before starting work?
Hi Bob! Marina costs and Comms are coming in the part II this Sunday. We are having some work done while we are away, bottom paint, adjustments to the dripless shaft seals, new packing in the rudder stuffing boxes, there also seems to be a slight alignment problem in the stbd running gear that needs to be sorted as well.
Great video and info. Was curious if you could give a little more detail on the insurance? I have looked at several international insurance plans and they are no where near the low cost you mentioned. I am in the US and that may be the difference, but any further info would be great, company name ect. Thank you, Tim
Thanks Tim. Yes, we think it is because you are in the US. We have actually heard from insurance providers that "we don't offer this to Americans". Sort of shocking really, but has something to do with your health care system. The company we use is Cooperators, but I think they are strictly Canadian. Hope this helps Tim. Cheers!
Boo!!! Money is such a depressing subject! ;). But highly important nonetheless....thank you both for being willing to share such valuable information. :). Best wishes Cyndi and Shel!!!!
Cost of living on a boat: $$$$$ -Once in a lifetime experiences: Priceless 😊 Love you guys. Hope you make it back to Florida in time for FLIBS. Would love to meet up.
Not true actually. In Ontario, you can take 2 years away every 5 years and still maintain your Canadian health insurance. At that time we were on one of those 2 year leaves. Versions of this policy exist in every Province.
Hi Paul. Actually I think the only Canadian currency tracked was the medical insurance. All those other expenses were USD. For the simple reason that we spent it in USD and are too lazy to convert. lol
Part of the cost of owning a car is how much the car depreciates each year. Same for a boat. Neither your blog nor your video addresses this. I bet you know boat prices well enough to include an excellent estimate of this cost.
Good point. However, our boat is 30 years old, so the depreciation curve is almost flat. These boats are going for the same price or more than when we bought her 6 years ago. Keep a good old boat in good shape and you won't suffer much depreciation. Newer boats on the other hand, have a depreciation curve like a cliff, that is unless you buy something known to keep resale value like a Fleming, Kadey Krogen, or Nordhavn to name a few.
@@SearchingforCShels Near-zero depreciation is great, and thank you for clarifying that. I didn't realize depreciation is so low, so appreciate your adding that. Without depreciation, you could look at the cost or opportunity cost of the money used to buy the boat. So whereas $50,000 might cost $2k/year to borrow or earn $2k/year if invested, in this case the $2k is foregone each and every year. For sure not a cost generally given much consideration, even if it should be.
Really enjoy your channel! It was nice to see the CN Tower. It has been a few years since I have been back. Missing Niagara Falls and The Oakes Inn. Brings back great memories! Water maker you should look into is a portable unit by Rainman. Here is a link if your curious. www.rainmanusa.com/product/rainman-desalination-system/ A friend has one and loves it. More affordable than a hard install. His unit I think makes 37 Gallons/hour. There are bigger units but he has a 32 foot boat with not a lot of extra space so he bought a smaller unit. No affiliation here. Just a suggestion. Looking forward to part 2 of cost for cruising. Also looking forward to next years cruising. Take care! Oops! Just read other post about Rainman. Sorry!
Thanks! Very glad you enjoy it. Gives us motivation to continue. 🙏 Yes, when we get back to the boat, if we don't have time for a permanent install before we head over to the Bahamas, we will quickly get a Rainman. Hearing lots of good stuff about it.
Hi, Thank you for your video, I have a question about going away from Canada for over 6 months staying on the boat full time and keeping OHIP your driver's licence and completing income taxes, do you need an address in Ontario to get mail? Thank you, Igor
Out of curiosity how much did your boat cost and how much do you think it would cost annually to live? I have a great job that allows me to work remotely and considering hitting the oceans and working remotely. By the way thanks fo posting your video experiences
cost of living really depends on your lifestyle. I'm sure people do it cheaper than we do. We really can't say much more than we say in this blog post, www.searchingforcshels.com/sfcs/2019/9/29/the-cost-to-live-aboard-and-cruise Hope it helps.
Hi Larry, yes this season we have the boat on the hard for the height of hurricane season neat Stuart Florida. You can find cheaper places I think, but we paid $625 /month for out 44 for storage, plus a haul out of $10 per foot.
Hello, I'm a fellow boater from Ontario boating currently on lake Erie. I hope to pull out of Canada in the winter months and boat in the Bahama's. How are you staying out of Canada for more than 6 months and still maintaining your Canadian health care?
Hi Mike. You'll be happy to know that you only need to be in Ontario for 5 month a year to maintain your provincial health care. It doesn't even need to be consecutive. 5 months is easy to do if you fly back and forth. Cruising the boat north for the summer and back south for the winter is a little more difficult to get the 5 months, but not undoable. You can also do a 2 year leave every 5 years and still maintain your Health Care. We are just coming off a 2 year leave now. We will be taking advantage of it again when our next 5 years are up.
Interesting, thanks for sharing, food (groceries/eating out) seems higher then I would have thought and fuel seems lower then I thought, so it all balances out! :-)
Wow, for anyone that follows your vlogs it is a great insight into how much it actually costs to live aboard. I think the truly shocking cost is fuel. I had figured the costs would be much higher. But I guess if you can keep your hands off the throttle allot more then it would cut the costs. I am from Oklahoma and boaters here are in a hurry as the weekend is only so long so everyone goes full throttle to get to their destination instead of just cruising like C-Shel does.
Thanks! Yes slow and steady, don't be in a rush. Things seem to be much cheaper that way. However we do go fast sometimes, ever 4 hours or so we like to go on plane for 15-20 minutes to blow the carbon buildup out of the engines. So these numbers include that. Cheers!
@Daver G Please forgive my lack of experience. SO what your saying is a Semi Displacement hull can do the same or better mpg than a full displacement hull? Depending on the speed of course. It is a good topic for conversation as to which would be more efficient for cruising. As I have not seen many comparisons. I am not there yet I would like to eventually sell my house and move aboard a boat but not sure which one yet. Though Oklahoma is one of the few places inland that has access to a waterway and yes SV seeker is close by been there and seen it.
Searching for C-Shels Those fuel numbers still blow my mind! I would have thought much more! Assume that you’re running both engines while making passage? And great video! Makes me want to come visit Toronto next summer!! 👍
I run twin 210 Cummins (1990 vintage) in Bermuda and average 3 gallons per hour both engines on a 42ft Marine Trader aft cockpit. Really economical if you run displacement speed of around 8 knots. It seems most planing boats burn at least 1 gallon per mile. I have never commented on this blog before but I really love the quality of your presentation and your down to earth honesty. Andrew
In your grocery expenses did you also include personal items like toothpaste, deodorant, etc.. or is that separate? Thanks for a neat expenses vid. Not just setting at a table...
Good question Todd! Yes for sure. We didn't explain that well. Anything that came from the grocery store or costo is lumped into that number. So it technically isn't all food. We are actually now doing a companion blog post to go with part two of this video that will explain some of these details.
Cost...... You're not adding in your own personal time, to do a certain chore or job. What is the value for your time, to go ashore on your dingy, do your laundry and then go back to your boat. Time is a cost..... A water maker and a washing machine is very cheap, when you factor in your TIME....... And that is not even talking about the convenience of having them.
Yes, that is a good point Eric. Though for the most part Laundry is done when we go into town for other things, so we are going in anyway. In some places in the Exumas, actually waiting to fill your water tank can take hours, hovering just outside a marina waiting for a mega yacht to take on fuel. This is where a water maker will be so much more convenient. The likelihood of us heading back to the Bahamas without a water maker is low at this point. Even if we get something portable like the Rainmaker product.
Most Watermakers cost around $10,000-$15,000 to purchase in usd. Plus Sheldon you mentioned maintenance of the watermaker when not using it. Unfortunately I am not familiar with these costs. But if you are going to cruise with the same boat for more than 5 years it may be worth your while plus the bonus of convenience of doing laundry on board while underway. Great talking points. Now I just got to find part 2
@@SearchingforCShels Search "Sailing Emerald Steel" channel for info on building your own water system. Save a TON of cash and it's really all just basic piping and electrical work.
Hold hold hold. You’re talking about a budget and you could save money? She said “oh hell no!” to the washer and dryer. She said “we like to support the locals when we eat. You know it’s cultural.” No. It’s you ain’t doing a whole lot. Do some laundry. Cook a meal. You know the old saying....”ass, grass, or gas, nobody rides for free.” Get a clue.
Better give a "shameless plug" to past travel companions.
"Living on the Edge" listed for sale
www.yachtworld.com/boats/1984/oceania-42-sundeck-trawler-3567692/
Great idea! We just pinned your comment to the top of the comments. We didn't know they had Living on the Edge for sale when we did the video. I'll also add the link in the description of the vid. Thanks!
@@SearchingforCShels I just saw it yesterday too. Cheers!
Fun, I like the way you added places/scenery to this. Keeps it from getting boring. Thanks.
I’ve been enjoying you guys for about a year. You’re one of a small handful of channels that I relish for your cheerfulness, good information, lack of cheap clickbait tactics and so much more. I also love the respect and friendship between you two. You’re lovely and fun and I hope to share an anchorage with you one day. Meanwhile, if you ever decide to write a book about your experiences, I’ll not only be the first one to buy it, but I’ll happily publish it for you. (I am serious. Google me so you know I’m not a whacko, lol. ) Until then, thank you so much for letting me cruise with you at a time when I can’t do it myself. It means a lot to me.
Thank you so much Dawn. Comments like this are such an inspiration to us. We actually have thought about a book, so you never know what the future hold. Your very kind offer is greatly appreciated. We are going to get some of your books to read this year while floating on the hook in the Bahamas. 😃
I love you two, you are so easy going, down to earth good people. Your videos are awesome, love seeing your adventures and learning the cost to do what you do. Keep exploring and making videos, and always, Live, Love, Laugh, enjoy life to the fullest! 😎
Ah thanks! You are very kind! We will do our best to keep it up. Thanks for your wonderful comment. Cheers!
Loved this video. My wife and I left Chattanooga TN last Sept and cruised for 11 months ending up in Palm Coast FL, great marina resort. We actually ended up buying a condo at the marina SO, our expenses are a bit more than yours but, the cruising aspect is generally the same, it is not a hobby for the financially weak:) You really can't put a budget to the experience as stuff happens, things break and food is too good not to eat. Keep the videos coming, I hope someday our wakes will cross. Try Key West in Jan, we will be there .
Thanks Barry. Do you live in the condo or rent it out? Hope we meet up sometime. Cheers!
@@SearchingforCShels WE will live in it half the year and cruise the east coast and Bahamas from there.
I've been considering the liveaboard life. The fact that your costs have been lower, makes me think this is more of an option for me. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for watching!
Great to see you guys, with the backdrop of Toronto, next best thing to seeing you on the boat. I have only had the pleasure of two very short, (one overnight and one slightly longer two day), visits to this beautiful city, so I hope one day to get back for a proper visit. I suppose with my surname being Lundy, I should fit in! Looking forward to part two. Andrew.
Thanks Andrew! Yes, this is the first time we have spent any long term time in Toronto. It is growing on us. Everything at your fingertips. Still would rather be floating at a remote island in the Bahamas. 😉
Just total everything that exited your accounts during the time on the boat. Including things back home that needed to be maintained.
I'm thinking personally I'd have at least a house back home to maintain plus the boat.
Great info and ignore the trolls. Just a small thing noticed by a former numbers guy, you were in The Bahamas for six months and spent about $4,800 on meals out. That’s about $800 a month. The next year you were there eight months, so eight times $800 equals $6,400. That’s as close to following a plan or budget as you can get. And I agree that meals at local places (not international chains) are a cultural event, especially if most or all ingredients are sourced locally. Cheers
Great info guys. You're killing me though...the waiting... looking forward to part 2...
You are waiting too long. You have now. Come.
2 months longer is 33% more which pretty much inline with food and water with the washing down of gear.
Very true, good point.
Love your honesty and willing to share!
Thanks!
Great video. We love you guys. Thanks for all the info. The fuel expense is a lot less than I would have guessed for the distance that you guys traveled.
Thanks! Yes we are also surprised with the fuel costs as well. Most people focus on the fuel costs when planning this type of lifestyle, however we have found that fuel isn't something to really be concerned about.
If you have a sailboat, or electric engines and solar power, you could go back to florida every couple of weeks for provisions and it wouldn't cost anything.
We know a lot of people with sailboats, and some with electric and solar. Non of them ever go back to Florida for provisions. The only ones who go back to FL for provisions are charter motor yachts. I have a feeling dealing with weather and crossing the gulf stream make doing provision runs to FL quite the ordeal.
Great information. We launch this summer Full Time RVing. It is interesting to watch you guys!! We look forward to following along! Thanks for sharing this video with us.
Thanks for watching guys!
Interesting subjects, can't wait for part 2.
Well this is your lucky day George! 😉 czcams.com/video/epLXZNlF5oc/video.html
looking forward to part 2, part 1 was great enjoy T.O.
Thanks Steve!
That guy running by in the green shirt had some pretty weird running form.
If you’re living aboard full time, how do you keep your food in the refrigerator cold at all times?
There is a fridge on most boats
The fridge when on dock at a marina uses their power
When at sea you use a generator
I hope that helps
Stay safe
For myself, eating out just wouldn't happen. This actually ties into another point you listed, healthcare. I have both severe COPD ( Chronic Obstructed Pulmonary Disease ) and adult onset Asthma, combined they make crowds a toxic environment so eating out is a no go. They also add to the healthcare costs with higher premiums and the costs of my 4 puffers. ( $400.00 CDN / month here in BC ) So while one expense would be lowered the other would be increased, likely to higher than the reduction is.
So sorry to hear about your health issues. Agreed that would make things a little more complicated. Hopefully though, this doesn't get in the way of being on the water, if that is something you desire to do. Or get in the way of any dreams you would like to accomplish. All the best to you my friend!
So glad you guys are ok. Love the videos to much to have you guys washed away. But it's sad to see your sailing friends are selling their boat. Are they moving back on land or getting another boat or what. Hopefully nothing bad.
Not washed away yet John! Barry and Diane are getting a smaller boat. They don't plan on any long distance cruising in the future, so a smaller boat will suffice.
Lol..that's good. And I hate to hear about Barry and Diane. They seem like they really enjoyed traveling. It's always sad to hear some good things come to an end or have to slow down. Well I hope their health is well. And you two keep my hopes alive with your videos. I've got either 2 years or 7 more years. I'm one bad cup of coffee away from retiring out. The 7year marker gives me alot more to live off of. But we'll see.
Very surprised there was not a water maker already installed on a Trawler.
Interesting info...thank you for sharing. Obviously everyone is different but I would be curious as to the premium you paid (say in the way of food) being out on a boat versus staying at home. What about other things? Could you attach a premium to boating versus staying at home and watching boating vids on your 8k TV?
Hi Ian. To be honest there was no premium, or extra cost to being on the boat vs our land based life. Some things are actually cheaper. Food is about the same. Our connectivity and communications is cheaper, which is surprising. There may be a premium on repairs and maintenance, though if you compare an old boat to an old house maybe these numbers align. For us overall, this lifestyle is slightly cheaper than it use to be in our land based life. We have less fixed expenses, and we would always have a boat, even if land based, so we cut out the cars and the house. The only thing that put us over the edge in the last two years is maintenance and repairs, which we will get into in the next video coming Sunday.
Video Request - We also are in Ontario, Canada (near Stratford) and want to do exactly what you are doing. The mandatory 5 months in Ontario to keep our Provincial Medical coverage is necessary. The question is: What do you do with all your stuff when you leave the boat in Florida? Do you have 2 of everything? Stuff on the boat and stuff in Ontario? Or do you fly it all back and forth? How does that work? Thanks! LOVE the videos!
No, we don't have 2 of everything. We travel light back to Canada. 2 carry-ons and two backpacks is all we have for our time in Canada. We fly back and forth when we don't bring the boat up to Canada. For the last two years though, we have been on the two year leave, which OHIP allows ever 5 years. Cheers Dave! Hope this helps.
@@SearchingforCShels Excellent info! Thanks so much!
Where do you stay in Canada? With friends? Rent?
@skullhart We are renting for this stay. We are just getting back off of 2 years away. Every year will probably be different.
Informative video, Toronto is one of our favorite (favourite for you guys) cities. Would be nice to know your marina costs and how many days you stayed in marinas. Waiting patiently for part 2 hoping to find out the costs of reliable communication back home and what percentage of the time you had to be completely off line as I'd like to be reachable for emergencies.
Having any work done on C-Shels while in you're in Canada or are you waiting to get back to Florida before starting work?
Hi Bob! Marina costs and Comms are coming in the part II this Sunday.
We are having some work done while we are away, bottom paint, adjustments to the dripless shaft seals, new packing in the rudder stuffing boxes, there also seems to be a slight alignment problem in the stbd running gear that needs to be sorted as well.
Great video and info. Was curious if you could give a little more detail on the insurance? I have looked at several international insurance plans and they are no where near the low cost you mentioned. I am in the US and that may be the difference, but any further info would be great, company name ect.
Thank you,
Tim
Thanks Tim. Yes, we think it is because you are in the US. We have actually heard from insurance providers that "we don't offer this to Americans". Sort of shocking really, but has something to do with your health care system. The company we use is Cooperators, but I think they are strictly Canadian. Hope this helps Tim. Cheers!
Skip to 5:15 for the start of the actual cost analysis
This is super helpful guys!
So glad!
Boo!!! Money is such a depressing subject! ;). But highly important nonetheless....thank you both for being willing to share such valuable information. :). Best wishes Cyndi and Shel!!!!
Thanks Eric!
That sound is your aging joints creaking!!! Get more insurance!! lol When are you planning on returning to Florida to reboard?? Great vid!!
lol, thanks Michael! The joints are certianly starting to creak. Though not that loud yet. 😃 We are heading back at the end of Oct. So not long now.
Cost of living on a boat: $$$$$ -Once in a lifetime experiences: Priceless 😊 Love you guys. Hope you make it back to Florida in time for FLIBS. Would love to meet up.
Totally agree. Priceless! Hoping to be back for FLIBS. Going to be cutting it close though.
Hope you make it. Would love to meet up with you. 👍🤞
Yes, it would be great to get together.
you said you stayed outside Canada for like more than 8 months...which would invalidate your health insurance
Not true actually. In Ontario, you can take 2 years away every 5 years and still maintain your Canadian health insurance. At that time we were on one of those 2 year leaves. Versions of this policy exist in every Province.
Considering you are talking Canadian dollars, your expenses are not unreasonable.
As for eating out, that's part of the reason to travel.
Hi Paul. Actually I think the only Canadian currency tracked was the medical insurance. All those other expenses were USD. For the simple reason that we spent it in USD and are too lazy to convert. lol
I still think you did pretty well.@@SearchingforCShels
Part of the cost of owning a car is how much the car depreciates each year. Same for a boat. Neither your blog nor your video addresses this. I bet you know boat prices well enough to include an excellent estimate of this cost.
Good point. However, our boat is 30 years old, so the depreciation curve is almost flat. These boats are going for the same price or more than when we bought her 6 years ago. Keep a good old boat in good shape and you won't suffer much depreciation. Newer boats on the other hand, have a depreciation curve like a cliff, that is unless you buy something known to keep resale value like a Fleming, Kadey Krogen, or Nordhavn to name a few.
@@SearchingforCShels Near-zero depreciation is great, and thank you for clarifying that. I didn't realize depreciation is so low, so appreciate your adding that. Without depreciation, you could look at the cost or opportunity cost of the money used to buy the boat. So whereas $50,000 might cost $2k/year to borrow or earn $2k/year if invested, in this case the $2k is foregone each and every year. For sure not a cost generally given much consideration, even if it should be.
Really enjoy your channel! It was nice to see the CN Tower. It has been a few years since I have been back. Missing Niagara Falls and The Oakes Inn. Brings back great memories!
Water maker you should look into is a portable unit by Rainman. Here is a link if your curious. www.rainmanusa.com/product/rainman-desalination-system/
A friend has one and loves it. More affordable than a hard install. His unit I think makes 37 Gallons/hour. There are bigger units but he has a 32 foot boat with not a lot of extra space so he bought a smaller unit. No affiliation here. Just a suggestion.
Looking forward to part 2 of cost for cruising. Also looking forward to next years cruising.
Take care! Oops! Just read other post about Rainman. Sorry!
Thanks! Very glad you enjoy it. Gives us motivation to continue. 🙏
Yes, when we get back to the boat, if we don't have time for a permanent install before we head over to the Bahamas, we will quickly get a Rainman. Hearing lots of good stuff about it.
Hi, Thank you for your video, I have a question about going away from Canada for over 6 months staying on the boat full time and keeping OHIP your driver's licence and completing income taxes, do you need an address in Ontario to get mail? Thank you, Igor
it is what it is
Out of curiosity how much did your boat cost and how much do you think it would cost annually to live? I have a great job that allows me to work remotely and considering hitting the oceans and working remotely. By the way thanks fo posting your video experiences
cost of living really depends on your lifestyle. I'm sure people do it cheaper than we do. We really can't say much more than we say in this blog post, www.searchingforcshels.com/sfcs/2019/9/29/the-cost-to-live-aboard-and-cruise
Hope it helps.
@@SearchingforCShels Thank you
Do you store the boat on the hard in Florida? What does the storage cost per month?
Hi Larry, yes this season we have the boat on the hard for the height of hurricane season neat Stuart Florida. You can find cheaper places I think, but we paid $625 /month for out 44 for storage, plus a haul out of $10 per foot.
Awesome stuff Shel. Tweeted this one out.
Thanks my Friend!
Hello, I'm a fellow boater from Ontario boating currently on lake Erie. I hope to pull out of Canada in the winter months and boat in the Bahama's. How are you staying out of Canada for more than 6 months and still maintaining your Canadian health care?
Hi Mike. You'll be happy to know that you only need to be in Ontario for 5 month a year to maintain your provincial health care. It doesn't even need to be consecutive. 5 months is easy to do if you fly back and forth. Cruising the boat north for the summer and back south for the winter is a little more difficult to get the 5 months, but not undoable. You can also do a 2 year leave every 5 years and still maintain your Health Care. We are just coming off a 2 year leave now. We will be taking advantage of it again when our next 5 years are up.
Interesting, thanks for sharing, food (groceries/eating out) seems higher then I would have thought and fuel seems lower then I thought, so it all balances out! :-)
Yes, balance is key. The more we save on fuel, the more we eat. lol
Wow, for anyone that follows your vlogs it is a great insight into how much it actually costs to live aboard. I think the truly shocking cost is fuel. I had figured the costs would be much higher. But I guess if you can keep your hands off the throttle allot more then it would cut the costs. I am from Oklahoma and boaters here are in a hurry as the weekend is only so long so everyone goes full throttle to get to their destination instead of just cruising like C-Shel does.
Thanks! Yes slow and steady, don't be in a rush. Things seem to be much cheaper that way. However we do go fast sometimes, ever 4 hours or so we like to go on plane for 15-20 minutes to blow the carbon buildup out of the engines. So these numbers include that. Cheers!
@@SearchingforCShels Yes 15-20 minutes is good enough to keep clear the carbon buildup in the cylinders and keep the engines running good.
@Daver G Please forgive my lack of experience. SO what your saying is a Semi Displacement hull can do the same or better mpg than a full displacement hull? Depending on the speed of course. It is a good topic for conversation as to which would be more efficient for cruising. As I have not seen many comparisons. I am not there yet I would like to eventually sell my house and move aboard a boat but not sure which one yet. Though Oklahoma is one of the few places inland that has access to a waterway and yes SV seeker is close by been there and seen it.
Searching for C-Shels Those fuel numbers still blow my mind! I would have thought much more! Assume that you’re running both engines while making passage?
And great video! Makes me want to come visit Toronto next summer!! 👍
I run twin 210 Cummins (1990 vintage) in Bermuda and average 3 gallons per hour both engines on a 42ft Marine Trader aft cockpit. Really economical if you run displacement speed of around 8 knots. It seems most planing boats burn at least 1 gallon per mile. I have never commented on this blog before but I really love the quality of your presentation and your down to earth honesty. Andrew
thanks
Thank you for watching. Cheers!
In your grocery expenses did you also include personal items like toothpaste, deodorant, etc.. or is that separate?
Thanks for a neat expenses vid. Not just setting at a table...
Good question Todd! Yes for sure. We didn't explain that well. Anything that came from the grocery store or costo is lumped into that number. So it technically isn't all food. We are actually now doing a companion blog post to go with part two of this video that will explain some of these details.
If you had not wasted so much time on your introduction you could have done this in one take
Amigo você é cara excelente
Parabéns isto sim que uma linda modelo muito bonita e maravilosa gasti
fuel nice
What you came for starts @4:20 it's a 14m video and the first almost 10% of it is just guff. Your welcome.
Salud Cyndi and Sheldon!
Cheers to you and Talyn!
Cost and Speed of internet ?
Coming up in Part 2.
Cost...... You're not adding in your own personal time, to do a certain chore or job.
What is the value for your time, to go ashore on your dingy, do your laundry and then go back to your boat. Time is a cost..... A water maker and a washing machine is very cheap, when you factor in your TIME....... And that is not even talking about the convenience of having them.
Yes, that is a good point Eric. Though for the most part Laundry is done when we go into town for other things, so we are going in anyway. In some places in the Exumas, actually waiting to fill your water tank can take hours, hovering just outside a marina waiting for a mega yacht to take on fuel. This is where a water maker will be so much more convenient. The likelihood of us heading back to the Bahamas without a water maker is low at this point. Even if we get something portable like the Rainmaker product.
Most Watermakers cost around $10,000-$15,000 to purchase in usd. Plus Sheldon you mentioned maintenance of the watermaker when not using it. Unfortunately I am not familiar with these costs. But if you are going to cruise with the same boat for more than 5 years it may be worth your while plus the bonus of convenience of doing laundry on board while underway. Great talking points. Now I just got to find part 2
@@SearchingforCShels Search "Sailing Emerald Steel" channel for info on building your own water system. Save a TON of cash and it's really all just basic piping and electrical work.
Dude, you have a fucking nice hair.
Hmm. I have a few money saving ideas fo the wifey. Do something.
Hold hold hold. You’re talking about a budget and you could save money? She said “oh hell no!” to the washer and dryer. She said “we like to support the locals when we eat. You know it’s cultural.” No. It’s you ain’t doing a whole lot. Do some laundry. Cook a meal. You know the old saying....”ass, grass, or gas, nobody rides for free.” Get a clue.