Destiny 2 Lore - Mithrax's Story of Saint & a conversation he had with Shaxx shows us a hard truth!
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- Destiny 2's Lore tells us of the story told by Mithrax about Saint-14, but Mithrax also spoke with Lord Shaxx about their past lives as barbaric warriors. They both struggle with an uncomfortable truth, and also a reason to keep fighting for peace. Mercy.
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The way Saint's ribbons from the children become the tendrils of a monster was one of my favorite details of the cinematic
I was trying to understand what those were, the I read this and physically shuddered.
And the cloth flap becomes a scaled, spiny tail!
Whoever makes these drawings for the cinematics needs a raise fr
The way they portrayed a titan void bubble was horrifying
@@chaosgreyblood That's the Vex mark from D1 and I wish they bring back strike exclusive armour like that.
Saint: "You can't just ask people to live next to Baba Yaga."
Mithrax: *despite screaming in absolute terror on the inside* "Let me tell you a story about Baba Yaga."
He once was an associate of us. You kill his fucking dog. He's coming for you.
“He’s not the devil. He’s the one you send to kill the devil.”
I thought Baba Yellowlegs from the Throne of Glass books
The Saint will come for you and you will do nothing, because you can do nothing.
@@EpslionBear *fucking penseel!
"War is war, and hell is hell. And between the two, war is alot worse"
"There are no innocent bystanders in hell"
- Chief Surgeon Hawkeye pierce. 4077th M.A.S.H.
whew, that's an intense quote
I had no damn business watching mash as a kid but I appreciate my godfather for showing it to me regardless
I watched that show on Nick at Night as a kid. So much depth and empathy in 'just a sitcom'. Good pull.
Such an underrated quote.
Crazy underrated show. Very topical quote. Thanks for sharing!
Credit to a Dreg for somehow impaling and killing Saint, even if he just was going to revive
Now regretting all those times in D1 when a dreg killed me and I revived to finish ‘em off ☹️
@@wattsactingdoc lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Lol those dregs be bout that because they got the most to prove
@@too_official6194 You ain't wrong
@@calumbus3784 facts he was like if I kill saint ima definitely get promoted straight to captain
*Guardians awkwardly shuffling into the Devil's Lair to farm*
“I’m sorry, little one”
Sepiks Prime: *sad servitor noises*
I feel awful now when dregs cower or run away with their hands on their heads when we explode into an area ... I just need my pinnacle 🥴
i don’t feel awkward to farm there? i mean have you seen the bodies they keep there? They’ve eaten and killed thousands and leave the bones as a warning.
Yeaah but house of devils are pretty much assholes
@@Just_some_random_name honestly never put much thought into the bones till now, nice.
That was the FIRST TIME that Saint had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SAY. I stood there watching them for a minute, and departed. But WOW. The TENSION.
I did the same, but probably for about 5 minutes. Telling Saint that I'm in no place to judge him, given the thousands I've laid waste to. Telling Mithrax I'm sorry, and that House Light is welcome as family within these walls...at least by my guardian.
@@henram36 refugees no matter the race will find safety within our walls. As long as they remain just that, refugees
Ikora afterwards tells Mithrax that Saint got very affected by his story and I noticed by the dialogue during missions that Saint seem to be softening a bit. He's not that condescending anymore towards Mithrax.
I still want to punch Lakshmi in the face tho
"Your houses and titles are layers of politics. You are still fallen"
those are big words for the advanced lego techinic set
Lmfao
LOL
I'd say she's more Bionicle.
I heard that, and the outright racism in it
Not to mention she’s part of a faction and is a politician herself, the hypocrisy is annoying
I love how Mithrax is forever the learner and philosopher, he asks uncomfortable questions and it’s funny to watch our leaders squirm when he does
I love how you not only bring the cutscene that put Saint as a monster, because we are the protagonist of our own history and it's most true in war, the little chat with Shaxx it's just the perfect way to say we do bad things too but we can live in peace.
We are literally the undead. I'm sure the concept of morality gets blurred when you don't have to deal with the consequences of mortality.
Shaxx offers a tangible view of guardian monstrosity because he was a warlord
We view Saint as a righteous warrior of Light, we view warlords as corrupt tyrants, but to the Eliksni a Lightbearer is terrifying no matter their allegiance
@@Spike2276 humanity has always looked at the Eliksni as terrifying no matter which House they belonged to simply because they were going to try and kill us no matter what. Or that’s how people saw them anyway
Anything saint did was karmic retribution for countless centuries of genocide by Fallen houses
HoL is an exception, not the norm
Aido said it best, "The other Houses sought to unite Eliksni by killing humanity. The House of Light is different because ir seeks to unite Eliksni with humanity"
@@Spike2276 Slight correction: Shaxx *is* a warlord. He accepted Iron Lord jurisdiction, but of his own free will and never joined them. He kept his previous title as well. And quite a lot of warlords besides him proved to be anything but tyrants, albeit most joined the Iron Lords.
Mithrax: You want to talk about monsters
Saint: Yes
Mithrax: I am looking at one
It's funny because Mithraax french voice actor is Daniel Lobé who also voice Geralt of Rivia !
@@clesjikoandromas2061 who?
@@clesjikoandromas2061 I’m with him who
@@amyvernazoni2610 The witcher
mic drop
It's like Amanda Holiday said last season, "We can all be better."
Exactly its just taking that first step can be the most difficult hurdle.
True. When House Light acknowledges they’re remnants of House of Wolves and apologizes for betraying the Awoken and the whole ‘attempting to drive humanity to extinction’ then Guardians can apologize for breaking their Houses. Though humanity has no reason to “be better” when they’re the ones living on a reservation still one bad day away from extinction.
@@1vandread Apologies show nothing. Actions do. Mithrax has done more to atone for his past this season than any apology ever could.
@@NitroNinja324 he’s been atoning for years now, all started on titan
@@NitroNinja324 yeah, but know he's showing to all people, on titan and in zero hour he just let himself known for us
Old Saint-14 was just us now. “It tore through our great houses like they were nothing.” We did that too.
Damn straight we did. Last time I checked statistics in D1 it was over 36,000
And I enjoyed every second of it.
I actually felt kinda bad in Beyond Light when i first stepped into Riis Reborn, we literally went into an Eliksni settlement and decided to wreck shop
I've killed like... 400k enemies in d2. Fallen probably account for most of them.
@@Spike2276 more a battle station for Eramis
Just a heads up: you can stand in the cubes in that expunge mission to gain more time to carry the keys 👍
Explain please
@@zaffirk7726 when your carrying the red orb stand in the floating cubes and a circle will form under it on the floor. Your 10 second timer for carrying the key will steadily increase back to 10 seconds
They're also a mini-checkpoint, so that comes in handy as well!
I didn’t realize this until I saw multiple content creators do it in their backgrounds gameplay (but not explain it) so thank you for telling people so. Also nice pfp
Oh wow, I noticed this right away when I first did it >v< I guess I didn’t know people could completely miss it
Mithrax literally read the Destiny equivalent of The Slayer’s Testament.
In the dark age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lenghtened...one stood. He chose the path of perpetual torment. In his revenous hatred he found no peace and with boiling blood he scoured the solar system seeking vengence against the fallen who had wronged him. And those that tasted the bite of his light named him... *The Saint*
@@xdbetyar Perfection
I really enjoyed seeing the perception of Saint-14 as both a legend and a monster. I got to give it to Bungie with the story being really deep and tangled.
My titan wanted to be saint, guy was his hero. Even heroes are villains in someone's story
There's also dialog about how Saint has been deeply affected by Mithrax's words
Really were? I was hoping after the cutscene he would have something to say but nothing
@@thedarkness490 It's a voiceline you can get after the end of an override mission if you've completed the latest weekly quest.
@@JKeemTV does anyone on CZcams have posted audio of this?
@@wattsactingdoc czcams.com/video/l0rg2YpMJ5o/video.html
@@thedarkness490 yeah Ikora talks to Mithrax about how it had an impact on him, and made him feel even worse when the eliksni children also said the same thing.
I literally just read the weapon the other night. Gosh the lore this season SLAPS.
It only just occurred to me that the lore tab must take place after the endless night is broken, because it refers to the sun setting
The stories getting really really good.
@@Sta_cotto bingo
facts
I want to see a cutscene not like the one where it's like the one in this I want a full animated cutscene of them talking about that cuz it's cool to read about it but really to hear the characters actually talk about it would just be cool plus shaxx never gets any action anyway
Saint's responde to Mithrax: ¨'I'm sorry, i needed the loot...¨
Just farming bounties maaaate
Heyvhe needed that devils dusk
Farmed all that loot, still mains Perfect Paradox!
Lol
*Basically us*
Imagine if Mithrax became the Kell of Kells: Misraaks, the Merciful
He wouldn't exactly want to hold that title, but he's definitely the one.
Spoiler for future scenes but the audio for that title was leaked 👀so there might be a chance
@@GunlessSnake I think Saint should give that to him after saving his life with a Shell
MISRAAKS
MISRAAKS
THE MERCIFUL
(Cue Roman colosseum chanting)
I’d be jealous for one
To take a probably bungled quote from Kyoraku Shunsui in Bleach. "As soon as you start a war both sides are evil. Doesn't matter what side you stand on."
Fantastic anime
I don't start wars... put if you start one with me I'll finish it, unless you ask for peace.
My favourite character. Ended up being from this quote tbh
"The moment both sides enter a war they're wrong" or something like that
@@droneant7602 it was a war
I see a weird buddy cop plot point coming up with Saint and Mithrax
whose to say thats not what bungie plans on making as their new game
It’s Master Chief and The Arbiter 2.0
they'll probably do something similar to what they did with crow and zavala I bet
I would buy the season pass a again if it ment I could see this as a 4 part animation tracking down Temporary's kidnappers. Actually I'd pay a lot more than that.
It’s called Arby and the Chief.....wait..
As a titan main I want a full armor ornament for the "nightmare" Saint
I think the best we can hope for is a skull-saint 14 mask for festival of the lost
hell yea fellow crayon eater
Well we can forget that because we're all going to be dinosaurs come Halloween
@@duganelliott8340 no most likely will be a ornament for the exotic hamlet
@@duganelliott8340 or mabye an ornament for the helm of st 14
I find that War and it's consequences is all a matter of perspective. Everyone loses in the end if we don't try to learn about and study the other side of that coin.
It's why I always enjoy listening to Eido and Mithrax, to learn about and understand their struggles and extend a hand, it's a wonderful thing. I think Saint will come around eventually.
there's some override dialogue where ikroa tells misraaks That his story's has given saint a lot to think about. I feel like saint will be more inclined to side with misraaks moving onwards.
@@TempestFox Which will be a big nail in the coffin for Lakshmi's planned coup.
For someone to "Win" someone has to loose *shrug*
@@Techhunter_Talon Gotta kill the coup in its crib before it learns to walk
You should feel no remorse in killing those that came to kill you; that being said, knowing where to draw the line between massacre and self-defense should be what defines us as guardians.
Truth.
*regrets killing thousands of eliksni to gain chunky kill trackers and bounties*
You can absolutely defend yourself and feel remorse for taking a life.
You shouldn't, but that may not stop some people from doing so anyway.
To be fair, Saint was just fucking done with the Fallen. He gave them multiple chances over multiple centuries and what made him finally snap? Twilight Gap did. Three Entire houses aligned to take down the city and if the Awoken Queen didn't stop the fourth, the city would be overrun. The city had become weaker by a lot since the glory days of Six Fronts. Saint knew this and knew the fallen won't stop.... so he forced them to. And it worked, and paved the way for our own victories against the fallen.
Anyone: **Talks shit**
Mithrax: Now open wide and say "AH" because this is going back the way it came
Shaxx “I’ve killed hundreds of fallen”
Me: ( I killed that many in the first 24 hours since I was brought back to life)
Well he meant hundreds at six fronts. He’s been alive for centuries I’m sure he’s killed far more than we have.
@@trevordillon1921 I don’t know he’s been in the tower a long while.....how many times have you done wrath. Lol ik.
I mean us guardians got bounties, I'm sure we've killed way more than shaxx has in a century by now.
@@adarkwind4712 The Tower is decently young. To be honest, it is. So, Shaxx, would most definitely have killed more than we have.
@@ruby_loveyt A lot of Shaxx's time during the Dark Age was spent protecting civilians from the elements, trying to scavenge food, etc. He was also almost completely defending his territory, and never really sought open conflict with the Fallen. Meanwhile, we've been attacking a fair bit. Honestly, it could go either way, mostly because killing Fallen is not that hard nowadays and that Shaax was never really looking for a fight, the fight was looking for him.
I like that the thing that moved Saint the most in Misraaks story wasn't the cruelty or violence, but the thought of children trembling at his name. He really is a big softie.
Shaxx: I’ve killed hundreds. And you?
Mithrax: A lot
Both: ....Damn
Remember folks: "The Light lives in all places, in all things"
I fight for the future for the inocent of the last city and to have the sins of their forefathers not bear judge to their lives as individuals. That is the way of the light. That is what it takes to be a guardian.
I find it interesting how as important our Guardians are, the most interesting of iij interactions are the ones we've been watching. We're watching as the City sorts its problems out with the Eliksni, and we're simply pushing it along bit by bit. We don't actively make our own choices to forge the story. Everything is working itself out as the path of peace bears fruits for the universe. I think it's a pretty interesting concept.
Makes me wonder how well the Destiny universe would do if it was a game series similar to Mass Effect?
@@Techhunter_Talon Should Destiny 3 ever happen, they might make that shift; or at least give a Mission A or B, then Ai/Bi, etc. for alternate histories
@Eugene Oisten how so?
We're literally 7 years old, every single person who's ever had any beef with us has been put down and only allies surround us
In contrast to us most of the veterans in the guardian ranks are centuries old and have taken part in the construction and multiple sieges of the City, they are the people we see going through change because they are the ones who need to adapt to the times
Personally, id like to decide who to help. Like in the season of the drifter when we got to choose between helping the vanguard or the drifter.
@@evaun1t165 we don't have much choice here, if we help Lakshmi then we don't get Mithrax's help to stop the endless night
I'd like to see another story where we can take sides, but this story doesn't work if we kick the Eliksni out
Me with house light: oh dear, oh dear gorgeous
Me going into the devil's lair strike 7 times a week when it's the ordeal mercilessly slaughtering every Eliksni I see with my lament: *RIP AND TEAR*
*thousands of dead bodies picked clean until there skeletons littered in fallen bases*
people who think all the houses are just as tragic as the eliksni in house light are: “oh god i feel so bad for attacking them now”
@@Just_some_random_name I know, still funny
Funny thing is, strikes are a "moment in time" according to Bungie. You only ever did devil's lair once, years ago, canonically.
And that was against house of devils.
In similar fashion, the Fallen that incited Saint's insatiable rage belonged to House of Rain, a house even all other eliksni hated for their barbarity. And they too, are gone and fucked.
What I'm saying is, if you're not actively going on EDZ patrol and slaughtering fallen by the dozens, you're fine. Even then, those are house of dusk scavengers that purposefully ignored Misraaks' call, so that's fine too.
@@kutlumzrak2689 I always wondered where those spare valus tau arucs and sepiks primes came from
I've disliked some of Mithrax's comments in the past where he colored themselves as victims but I think people should understand that this cutscene was nothing like that. This was a direct reply to Saint saying that people shouldn't be expected to live with their monsters, so he showed Saint the hypocrisy in making the Eliksni live with their biggest monster. That should be the message that everyone takes from this, not whether someone was justified in what they did or not.
Except we’re not forcing them. They did follow Mithrax here but the decision was not forced upon them. I’m not justifying what they’ve done but the people of the city had no choice.
Except House Light is filled with both victims AND those that have done very horrible things. They aren't mutually exclusive terms. They're victims of the systems their forefathers set in place, victims of their society, everything they have been taught is wrong but they can't know that until someone shows it to them like Misraaks. No, that doesn't excuse their actions, but they're trying to be better now. While we don't have to forgive them for being shitty in the past, we should at least allow them to try and become better.
Ya, I agree with both of what you said.
I get that the House of Light themselves are (mostly) victims, with 90%+ of them being peaceful beings who haven't done anything to Humanity. Making them work with Saint-14 is a punishment for them by itself.
At the same time, as Eido herself attests to, the Eliskni have been killing, torturing, and mauling humans for a millenium with no reason.
Seeing any of the rest of the Fallen as victims is really hard, for the Citizen of the Last City, this would seem terrible.
Having Mithraax's answer directly applying to Saint is the only way this should be seen, but it being the Destiny community, it's already being widely overused.
No one is making the Fallen in the House of Light live in the last city, Ikora invited them without the support of the Consensus
@@TheRedThirst if something is "the only option" isn't that also being without a choice? For House Light, coming to the city was the only choice, and for the people of the city, they may not have had a choice either, but what choice do they have to break the endless night? Both the Eliksni of House light and the People of the City are without choice. The leaders of both are trying to reach the best outcome possible for everybody, but all it takes is a single Lakshmi out for her own personal gain to start sowing seeds of hatred.
"You cannot ask people to live alongside their monsters!"
And somewhere, deep inside Mithrax, something snapped
Bro, I don’t know who’s doing the VA for Mithrax but my goodness, his delivery is 👌👌. Goosebumps every time.
facts
Apparently Ray Chase is the voice of Mithrax looking at imdb.
@@DragonKnight90001 It is him.
@@DragonKnight90001 hell yeah. My man been all over the place, and in just about any role.
@@devincoleman4105 Mithrax is my favourite character in destiny next to cayde but knowing he’s voiced by the freaking Master of masters he’s way above Cayde (sry Cayde) XD.
Saint: “Huh, wonder who that’s for.”
Saint: he dares use my name?! I shall crush this monster! It may come for humanity next!
Long ago I was called “Demon” by the elites.
taking it back lmbo
Tbf, they were raging a genocidal war on humanity because their religious leaders told them to, not out of survival. Then again, they did believe in a lie.
@@elitegamer9310 @Elite gamer there's a bunch of history to that, halo 2 anniversary terminals and a bunch of other stuff. A select few Sangheli questioned the legitimacy of the Great Journey, the prophets weeded out those Sangheli that were jeopardising their political power or held opposing beliefs. Even some jiralhanae held these views (atriox). There was an extremely accomplished elite called Xytan that was exiled, one of the previous arbiters that caused the rank to be shameful, the arbiter we know Thel' Vadam, the heretic in halo 2 etc.
The entire covenant belief system was also because of a single translation error, reclaimers -> reclaimation. The reason the covenant went into war with humanity was because of mendicant bias on the forerunner dreadnaught on high charity notified them of humanity as 'reclaimers' which would have undermined the entire covenant and their religion. So the prophets declared a holy war on them. Some elites questioned why humans weren't invited into the covenant too
THE Demon. FIFY
@@Spartan-sz7km not only that, the Prophets executed all the Sangheli high council members in the mission before the last one in H2. And everyone on that council were people that were against the prophets or at least, on the fence
What these cutscenes have really made me feel more than anything is frustration in our guardian, in them insisting on being a silent observer. We might be the most passive god slayers ever.
Mithrax: "In truth, i dont even know if i reached you"
Our Guardian: ...
Because not all of us feel the same, your response may differ from mine or from another all together, we are silent because we are the embodiment of the guardians we play, sure for some stuff we were given dialog but for the most part its meant to come from the player. You see it as frustrating, I see it as wise, our actions speak louder than their words.
Hah, let me introduce you to the one called Warrior of Light ( then Darkness) from FFXIV.
THAT is the most passive godslayer.
Byf describing how FWC is slowly building a rebellion against the last tower
*me looking at his FWC branded gun* 👀
@Skellington
Lakshmi-2: We gave you that gun! You DARE turn it on us!?
Guardians: Irony is one of life greatest things, isn't it!?
@@godknightomega Former FWC Guardians (like myself): "We prepare for the inevitable war, Lakshmi."
As someone who has been a part of FWC since vanilla D1, I’m appalled with how Lakshmi is leading the war cult. I refuse to use or wear war cult colors (except the heavy GL ‘cause chain reaction is gg)
@@wattsactingdoc Just pick up a crowd pleaser or blast battue
Byf: "when I said we need peace with the fallen I meant the fallen in pieces"
That's how things go. You are never the villain in your own story, but you are in someone else's. For us Saint was the one who fought back our invaders, for the Elisksni he is a calamity.
While I see the House of Light as a group of innocent Eliksni, I still hate the *Fallen* for attacking humanity for centuries.
We humans have always suffered from a great weakness. Prejudice. Just because a part of a people is evil doesn't mean all of them are. I love that this season goes into such topics, really makes you reflect on our own world.
Great content as always, keep up the great work.
Which species is living on a reservation due to attempted extinction, again? Who are currently still on the verge of extinction? Pretty sure it’s not the Eliksni. Ignore hundreds of fear induced conditioning for pity points.
But yeah prejudice human bad, Eliksni who change Houses like socks due to dead genocidal dictator leader, good.
@@1vandread And which species caused the species currently living on a reservation due to attempted extinction again? Oh yeah, the Darkness which is currently in the damned system. Who has paracausal protectors that can resurrect themselves, has devastated the political systems and leadership of the Fallen due to those constant attacks? Humanity. Who had abandoned the Eliskni in the first place yet for some reason favored Humanity to be gifted those powerful paracausal protectors? The Traveler. Who had lost everything and had to gut their culture in order to survive, try to reclaim what was theirs? The Fallen And the biggest question of them all, WHO is trying to CHANGE ANYTHING?? The Eliskni of House Light.
Enough with the attempted extinction crap because we have the literal cause for the collapse of the damned Golden Age right on the doorstep yet constantly cannot get over the fact that the Fallen tried to destroy humanity. Every assault has been crushed, every attack was met with brutal force and destruction, every Kel, Baron and Servitor that attempted to harm the City has bled dearly for that mistake.
So, yes, prejudice humans BAD. Eliskni trying to change for the future Good. Does that mean there are not heinous things on both sides? No but people are recognizing that the Fallen of House Light are trying to change and its fools who consistently keeps bringing up, to no one with ironically the very ENTITY THAT CAUSED THE COLLAPSE BEING RIGHT IN THE SYSTEM, that the Fallen tried to exterminate humanity is the reason why things aren't going to change. And its that stupidity that will make everything in the Last City die; Savathun is just going to be oh so happy you are doing her work for her, congratulations.
@@edwinrosario3849 well said. One side is trying to change and work together, right the wrongs done but the other side (Lakshmi and her ilk) are stoking the flames that can bring that possible future she saw to reality. Self fulling.
@@1vandread honestly humanity is the same then. Had the Arisen, Warlords that did terrible things and now Guardians. What's next in our change up?
My buddies I play with don’t pay much attention to the lore, but ask me about it since they know I love it. Got myself that Studying emote with the book & now I tell them what Byf and the lore pages I got have to say each weekend. It’s great.
Lore Daddy, you’ve made a Lore Boi outta me.
There is a bit a dialog in override where ikora tells Mithrax that that story really affected Saint
And now saint shows more respeckt to mithrax in override dialogs
Saint: you cannot ask people to live alongside their monsters
Mithrax: oh fr? deadass? just like that?
I said this back when Crow was born, a monster is made when we treat one as such.
In the Eliksni's case, they created one simply by not understanding what mercy is.
Or in the Eliksni's case, by invading their homeworld and nearly driving them to extinction.
@@saidmarin4101
They were our "monsters" long before Saint-14 even touched their home.
@@godknightomega their home? more like the eliksni invaded earth and nearly drove humanity to extinction, unprovoked. Doesn't excuse the atrocities that the lords did of course, but that has nothing to do with the eliksni invading while pursuing the traveler.
@@saidmarin4101
I was referring to the Eliksni?
This gave me goosebumps they way Mithrax drops the mic on Saint. Love both characters so much and they way Bungie is showing us fallen POV on us and the traveler. I’m actually reading in game lore a lot this season. Can’t wait to get the new pages each week. I’ve always loved destiny lore but this is my favorite story content since season of dawn.
It's like the old saying, "someone's hero is another person's monster"
Bungie really needs to make that monstrous Saint-14 helmet an ornament for the Helm of Saint-14
The only thing I could happily part with silver for
Hell yes! My sentinel titan NEEDS that ornament for helm of saint 14
Won't happen because it's already an exotic..
Or at the very least a mask for the festival of the lost
@@hammer9856 an ornament FOR the exotic....
I was actually surprised by lord shaxx reaction but after reading the rest of the lore it made sense I'm glad to see that lord shaxx understood misraks
If anyone is to come to terms earliest out of the guardians (except the Drifter of course), it would be Shaxx. Next to Saladin as one of the oldest guardians of the Tower.
The whole "Testing out ghallarhorn on a dreg" trope is really hitting different this season. It's not reasonable to believe that the Ellinksni shouldn't see us as allies after guardians run into their clubs and homes and just torch the place.
Thank you for giving us the Story of Destiny explained since the days of Destiny 1!
That Survivor's Epitaph has to be my favorite lore piece in a while, it such a mixed feeling knowing that these two characters that I adore in Destiny have their own share of crimes, which always loops to a favorite quote of mine.
“What is better: to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?”
Destiny 2 has its up and down as we all know and way too familiar with, but stories like these is why I keep coming to the game, even if they are just text in a gun that I probably won't ever use.
It's an interesting path Bungie has the narrative on. I appreciate it a lot. I also really like how D1 had all these stories and lore snippets of our "heroes" slaying scores upon scores of enemies. The tales we tell so that others won't be. Tales that emphasis heroism, courage, determination. Just ignore the blood spilled along the way, and don't ask the other side what they think of our heroes.
Mithrax: You're literal undead juggernauts, calling us monsters?
They enacted a genocide against humanity. Yes, they were monsters.
@@jloats1110 well we’ve done the same to every other race. So have the other races. Tis but a means of survival. In the end, those who survive are monsters.
@@andychavez652 I guess the Darkness has a point.
@@elitegamer9310 no?
@@elitegamer9310 no the Darkness believes we need to just give in to our core nature, those who kill are killers and will always be, forgiveness is a distraction that has no purpose in life or death. It talks so calm and acutely to make us believe it, the darkness doesn’t want us to try to be anything but what we are. Cowards, killers, fools. The traveler gave us some much because it wants us to be more then what we are at base level to be more, forgive, have hope
“Demanding manifestation” is such a raw way to describe an emotion. Such good writing
"...the last glimpse of sunlight descended beyond the horizon."
How exactly is there a sunset during an endless night?
Yeah like wait hang on a fucking second?? like this would suggest that this conversation took place before the vex placed the endless night.
@@D.A.R.C.I. I'd assume its just a continuity error and not some grand implication about Shaxx and Mithrax. Just found it odd haha
*Glitch in the vex simulation detected*
@@MasterRoyalTea im more implying that Mithrax has been to the tower before the endless night, possibly for a meeting with Ikora, and a select few guardians noticed
@@D.A.R.C.I. post-almighty, though.
I was shocked when it played. Cutscenes in destiny that aren’t in the first or last mission?? Nice
I can't stop laughing over the fact that Shaxx asked "Do you know how many Fallen I killed there?" and then said "All of them died afraid."
Yes Shaxx. When you kill someone,they die.
“People die when they’re killed!”
"Our Ether tanks, smashed!"
I'm just gonna go on a limb here and say that since that happened we may be in timelines 3, and 6 shown in the lore of Stochastic Variable, along with timelines 6 and 5 of Far Future.
They read as follows:
"3 : the Last City : radioactive dust : Dark growths in the ruins: where is the Traveler : mutated Ghosts-
"
"6: the Eliksni Quarter : a crackling portal : snipers fire down : blood runs in the gutter : an Ether tank explodes : the Endless Night : Asher speaks : those FWC traitors-"
Far future "6 : the Tower is still : funeral procession : Zavala dies : Zavala dies : Zavala dies : candles : quiet argument : how did they get in : the Witch Queen flees : they are coming-"
"5: the Tower molders : the Hive Witch's worm : Ghosts at war : a Voice behind the Darkness : the Traveler abandoned us : Taken Cabal : a new Hive rejoices-
"
And, maybe timelines 3 and 6 have been mixed together with the last sentences of timeline 6 and 5 of the far future lore, making an 8th timeline, as follows:
*"8 : the Last City : a crackling portal : Dark growths in the ruins : snipers fire down : an Ether tank explodes : blood runs in the gutter : mutated Ghosts : the Endless Night : where is the Traveler : a new Hive rejoices : they are coming --"*
Dark growths in the ruins is the glykon along with mutated ghosts, and "snipers fire down/an Ether tank explodes/blood runs in the gutter" is referencing to how we cleared out the glykon. "where is the Traveler" is referencing to how it seems like the traveler is doing nothing to help against the endless night. "They are coming" is referencing to how the hive are coming (cough cough witch queen cough cough) soon. Again, take this with a grain of salt, because these are just assumptions. Thanks!
Don’t forget Zavala’s death is predicted in three separate story elements which lines up nicely with timeline 6 on far future
@@collinfrye9555 Yeah
I don't see how "snipers fire down/an Ether tank explodes/blood runs in the gutter" is a reference to how we cleared out the Glykon unless I forgot some details in the Presage mission. Think that might be referencing the events that are unfolding now in-game which might lead up to a riot in the Last City.
@@Lamonticus I think you're on to something there. During the seasonal challenge where you have to listen to all the eliksni quarter recordings, Ido (or however you spell her name idk ) comments on how there are last city snipers constantly monitoring the settlement. Maybe FWC bribes one of the snipers into firing or possibly like you said, a riot occurs and...well...bad stuff happens.
Man this was heavy, that moment with Shaxx and Mithrax in the tower is very powerful, you can see the interaction in your mind, you can feel the emotions. And when Shaxx leaves, it is like both him and Mithrax have an understanding, they are both the same in so many ways, they have both done monstrous things, but now moving forward maybe we can all come together to fight the real monsters on our doorstep
"You cannot kill hate with hate, only love can do that." -Martin Luther King Jr.
I wish people could use that quote in real life. I like this season since it teaches how just because people have done wrong in the past, it doesn't justify the hatred of the people who are innocent.
If I kill a killer, the number of killers remains the same. That's why I break out Sweet Business and go to town on these invading bastards.
@@RohanSpartin exactly. "Double down" -Shaxx
@@LulutheJester Triple down
@@ms.chomper5024 damn son, that's hard facts. People shouldn't be hated on for something they can't change, or hated at all, hating only breeds more, never stop it.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH the cutscene was made OH SO MUCH BETTER by knowing Saint-14 was THERE to listen to Mithrax!
The survivor's epitaph lore tab says they watched the last bit of sunlight descend beyond the horizon, but i thought the city was in an endless night???
Similar to thick clouds you might still be able to barely see the sun passing over the edge.
Interesting oversight, or the lore takes place later.
Crazy hope, but I would love to see Mithrax become the new speaker. It would show the Eliksni that the traveler still cares for their kind and show humans that the Eliksni can be good as well. Think the humans and Eliksni will join forces to fight the darkness
That would be awesome. And the utter destruction of FWC, and the rest of the factions.
@@travisbishop782
Well (as far as we know) the factions' problems now are their leaders. Lakshmi and Hideo are in the coup for personal power and both are in the process of persuading Jalaal.
This video and its contents, just this whole season in general, is something all people need to hear. Not just Destiny players. Mercy, empathy, understanding. Those are key. Not hatred, stereotyping and xenophobia. If Lord Shaxx can take a moment and reflect on it, we all can.
D2 Year 4 might be Year of the Competent and well-crafted Storytelling
Took them long enough.
Oh just wait until year 5 lol
This is hopefully gonna get better.
This is simply a matter of perspective, regrettably.
I'd love to see more of Saint's reaction to Misraak's story about him!
Why yes, I am a walking terror of the night for every filthy xeno that dares defile our worlds.
Ave Imperator
Imperator Vult!
PURGE THE XENOS
My Armor is contempt, My Shield is Disgust, my blade is hatred. In his name, Let none survive.
"They drew first blood" - Frank Reynolds
The Eliksni have killed thousands over the centuries and humanity has done the same. Both species are victims of the darkness and warriors. The sooner the city can recognize the similarities between each other, the sooner we can end the fear and hatred between each other.
They came to our world. They broke our species and they ate our children. They all need to die
@@FoehnAlkaiser dude our guys have ate them too. Plus we also have no idea how it all as a whole started it’s been a grudge war for that long. However in war killing is killing there is no right to kill everyone is a murderer in the end no matter how just the cause
The fallen aren't warriors. The Cabal are warriors. They have honour and codes and once beaten in battle can be bargained with confidence that they will keep their word. The fallen are proven oath breaker and are more akin to a criminal thug.
@@bengale9977 and they’re sentiophages. They came to Earth and devoured the lightless. If we lost the battle of six fronts there wouldn’t be a Last City
@@FoehnAlkaiser they? as in all eliksni? isnt that literally racism? grouping up an entire group of people into a singular being and blaming everyone for the actions of few? do you realize how stupid you sound right now?
that cutscene still gives me chills... I think it'll give me chills every time I see it.
"Cruel is a matter of perspective." -Captain Jack Sparrow
Lovin the lore this season. Vids really help with things i might have missed. Keep on the awesome vids man ♥️
Lore army assemble! Another great video Byf, keep up the great content!
One of my most favorite parts about the cutscene is how Mithrax referred to the Ward of Dawn as a "foul shell"
Playing deconstruction (the music at the very beginning for those of you who don’t know) was so nostalgic. It played very quietly in the background while you were at the tower in destiny 1. I remember many weekend mornings when I would be gearing up for an activity but then get sidetracked and have a sitting circle of many friendly guardians with it playing very softly in the back.
Thank you byf
"We defended ourselves from extension, now that we have the upper hand you pretend to be the victim"
This season's storyline is great.
I was mesmerized by the vid not only the game dialogue but by yours as well byf great vid ty
This is the best place for destiny lore and information by far, love watching these videos! Also loved the paraphrased quote at the end from the "Hearafter" exotic, easily one of my favorite quotes from destiny's universe.
Yo in the tower you can hear people say stop someone’s watching and it’s a bomb it doesn’t have to be maneuverable don’t know if that was always idle voice lines or not thought it was interesting
This content and the topic itself is very well done and eye opening... while I've played this games, shifting enemies from each iteration of content...I've wondered if there is in fact, an end. Not simply an end to the game, but really and endpoint for the relentless assault against our "foes". Mithrax and the seasonal content as a whole, has opened the floor to an idea that I always had while playing... what if? What if we were to stop and truly look at the fallen for what they could be... allies...the sheer number of them as a people has been drilling throughout these wars... but could happen between the house of light and the leaders of the city could prove to be the starting point to an alliance. An alliance that is born in mutual pain, regret, but ultimately, empathy and understanding.
I just hope that mithrax can live long enough to see this come to fruition.
Given what Savvy has going and the Darkness literally on our doorstep, we’re going to need all the help we can get.
@@LoneSilverW0lf I wonder if a late arrival of the cabal is a possibility.
@@jerisj.8971 it’s very well possible. Caital is smarter than most bosses we’ve dealt with, and the Cabal have a score to settle with the Hive. I can see some kind of a unified force sometime in the future. I just hope we all live to see it.
@@LoneSilverW0lf in my ideal destiny universe, we expand to let fallen, and maybe even cabal become a subclass!
@@jerisj.8971 I’m a Red War vet myself, and I have thought about how having Eliksni and Cabal Lightbearers affect things. The Speaker talked about how it takes ‘devotion, self sacrifice, and death’, but I’ve seen where having a strong soul and being touched by light is all it really needs and those aren’t exclusive to Humanity. So it is possible, but probably unlikely given the sheer amount of work the devs probably had just giving us the three classes.
But maybe lore wise seeing a Cabal Titan, a Psion Warlock, and an Eliksni Hunter would make for an interesting group.
I always like hearing Byf lore videos
I never get tired of your content. Thank you!
Mithrax: how many eliksni have you killed.
Me: think about riskrunner. That's how many I killed
Me in d1 having 100000 servitor kills on Venus from that loot cave... hehehe sorry
The one that never got patched because it wasn’t relevant enough. Good times
I've only been watching your videos regularly for a few short months, but I must say that you videos really help put the storyline of Destiny 2 into better perspective. It seems that simply playing, as I have been, is really only scratching the surface of the deep narrative that Destiny 2 actually has. So, thank you for all the insight and hard work you do. These videos are the highlight of my week.
That self reflection be hittin different!! Love your content bruh! 🙏🏾
I've been telling the story of Saint to a returning D1 vet who's been learning about what he missed during his hiatus... Saints crusades were some of the things I pointed out that made him a legend to us and made him the Greatest Titan who ever lived but this moment has blown me away. Knowing/telling one side of the story and getting such great and haunting perspective from the other side still leaves the mind blown. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 To this seasons Lore!!
This story speaks so much of own society. This conversation is so important for us to move forward as a species. We have been locked in a prison of bloodshed longer than history itself.
The monster is in the eye of the beholder. It is true that violence cannot be erased and should not be forgotten but staying there, in the past it is no way to live. It only creates more division in the future. I'm loving the way the story is being told.
You have brilliantly put this together. Thank you. And I sincerely apologize if it is not appropriate to talk about this on this channel.
I honestly believe The overall story of Splicer and Chosen has indirectly acted as a sort of Rorschach Test to the members of our community. Basically the opinions held about the story and the characters can reveal the personal biases one may have in their own life. This is because the themes of Hunt, Chosen, and Splicer ask a (often uncomfortable question) fundamental question: "Can you forgive?" With Hunt it asks if you can forgive an individual who personally wronged you (Crow), in Chosen it asked can you forgive a group who recently wronged you (The Cabal), and now in Splicer it asks can you forgive a group with whom you've had a generational history of bloodshed (The Eliksni). The whole concept of forgiveness has always been a difficult thing for humanity to really grasp, but it is needed to push beyond the hate and violence to pave the way for a less bloody future.
Beautifully done, as always.
Byf, I really like your channel. You manage to find that moral lesson even in every lore drop.
I hurt for the House of Light, I can't help but want to side with them.
savathoon is messing with everyone tho.
I’ve been on board long before this season.
Like, he basically saved the city by informing us about siviks, and he even let us keep outbreak, which may well be a holy relic
@@trevordillon1921 me too, it's just the feels I'm feeling for the HoL is just so strong
When I came here, I did not expect so many guardians to be so kind to us. You have our gratitude.
Meanwhile:
Savathun's return is inevitable
The Last City and the Vanguard have heard the song
Top Ranking Members are also affected
The House of Light will be the scapegoat for a Coup inside the Last City by the hands of the FWC
In the end, The Witch Queen will have her revenge
The Season of the Witch/Queen is coming
Be ready
I think Savathûn is masquerading as Osiris. Anyone else find it odd how when he came back to the tower, he was skulking in the shadows?
ALSO, there is dialogue where Misraaks proposes all races, including hive, standing against the darkness, United. Osiris then asks: “You would join forces with Savathûn?”, and the dialogue ends. No quips, no explaining why that’s a bad idea… I’m telling y’all, Savathûn is wearing his skin!
@@wattsactingdoc Osiris has been sus as of late. Previously, I believed that his change in behavior was because of Sagira's death, but now it feels like Osiris has agendas of his own. He mentions that he gains a lot of information whenever we complete Override, he talks Saladin out from meeting with Zavala, and he doesn't want Mithrax to lend a hand with FWC's device. He explains that Lakshmi-2 would not be happy with the House of Light tinkering with the Device, and it would only make things worse. It's just the way he responded to it felt off. About every scene with Osiris in it has the air of secrecy.
Season 15 is gonna be the season of the Wish, mark my words.
Fantastic video. The stories really give me goosebumps. It almost feels like the story is coming together and bungie are telling an epic tale
This is one of your best videos yet!
I just want to say that Saint not responding to Mithrax is a really weird choice writing-wise. An apology, maybe an excuse, Even just a quick walk away into a teleport; Anything would have made more sense to me than the two of them Silently looking at each other after that cut scene.
I'd bet that that was a casualty of finite dev time. Seems like an obvious thing to fix, but not a terribly important one, so it probably slipped through the cracks. Was kinda awkward though.
@@sebastianturner2458 that’s the same line of thinking I had; the cutscene and story so far this whole season has been really enjoyable. One little beat like that sticks out as weird, but the limited time for these things is being well spent. I dig it.
Honestly I thought the whole encounter was bugged until I checked online and everyone had Saint do nothing after the scene
I wonder if it was originally supposed to put you back in orbit but then changed to allow you to scan the new interactive points in the area.
Essentially, Saint and Mithrax are both sides “monsters”.
Though I’d say Mithrax was more a “monster”than Saint, unless Bungie puts out a lore card detailing Saint murderering defenseless Eliksni in a cage then what Mithrax did while with the Wolves is still far worse.
And the whole driving humanity to a point of near extinction is a hot topic that can’t be solved in a few weeks after centuries of conditioning because the Vanguard says, “Be nice for mercy.”, it’s not that easy even if Savathun wasn’t manipulating the City’s fear and paranoia.
Coming back to this after a long while and byf sure as hell predicted it.
"You must protect your people."
"You ARE my people!"
.........I cried.
Byf, you just about brought me to tears with this video. I couldn't agree more about the concepts of mercy, understanding, and peace. I'll see you starside
I already know we are monsters
My friend however doesn't care as long as he has Sweatbusiness
And Business is ALWAYS good.