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- Mike Florio and Chris Simms break down Jalen Hurts’ contract extension with the Eagles through 2028 and explain why the longevity of it is a risk. They also address what this means for Lamar Jackson. #NBCSports #ProFootballTalk #JalenHurts
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Mahomes isn’t getting screwed. He’s rich, leaves money to pay other players, and a two time SB champion. More players should stop the ego show for “most money” and follow suit.
True… And at some point they’ll probably renegotiate the deal and add more money in a cap friendly way to keep his average yearly pay near the top.
Depends on the QB.... If I'm Jones living in super expensive NYC/NJ (unlike Mahomes in cheap MO in my $2m Ranch House & beaucoup land want as close to max money I can command.... Mahomes has proven he can win on a rookie deal AND big money deal. He's so skilled he can make any money he forgoes in endorsements & other income streams.... He & Brady are 2 highest endorsed players - Jones has done nothing in his rookie contract to indicate he can carry a team to SB... So he selfishly should maximise on field income cos he can't rely on his talent granting opportunities to do so off field ala Brady & Mahomes
IINM the way the rolling guarantees &. attainable bonuses work other than getting less than he could demand less guaranteed money (which he will get one way or another) is tied up in escrow giving KCC more flexibility .... Though I could be mistaken
The Brady approach
Facts crazy how the best two qbs of all time took less money. Still Mahomes contract is fat in the long run but Brady just got robbed 😂
Plus they'll revisit mahomes in a couple years. No one thinks it'll play out as is
I don't think Mahomes is losing any sleep worrying about his contract no longer being the "highest paid" in the NFL. He's getting paid and paid well -- and he's focusing on getting better, trying to become the greatest, and winning more championships! Florio sounds absurd saying, "He's getting screwed."
And the team success allows him to make a lot more in advertising money than he would have made playing hardball
Jalen is an A+ frontman face of the franchise leader... He is a zero distraction hard worker / a quality coaching staff can work with this
Exactly what he said 👏🏿👏🏿
He's a coach's son, he been trained his whole life for this moment.
@Yimi Tedeski tf type of logic is that and what’s gonna change between now and Halloween. It’s not your money so don’t worry about it lmao
I agree, but Hurts is not worth more than Mahomes.....
@@davidwilson9976 that doesn't matter it's CURRENT market conditions
Mahomes flat out said 'If you're not happy with the amount of money we are making, there is something wrong with you". He doesn't care. Florio is an ambulance chaser so this concept is foreign to him.
Well done Jalen Hurts, always thought he was a class act and more talented than he was being given credit for.
Patrick Mahomes is 28 years old with two MVPs and two Super Bowl rings. He is doing GOAT things not in anyway worried about his money. Dude is pulling a extra 45million a year just off endorsements.
Preach it Chris...He's down there in Texas throwing footballs!
Mahomes isn’t getting screwed. He’s being smart. Playing the long game not the short game. Just like Tom Brady did. He makes 10 times more $ in sponsorships AND has an awesome team around him.
Correct! If you’re a winning QB, especially a SB champ QB, then you’ll make your money back 10 fold from endorsements and people with money that want a piece of a winning QB. ( just like Mahomes, Brady..) Especially hurts is a good looking, well spoken, well mannered young man playing for a team in a Big City!
Patrick Mahomes: My contract has me set for life, other QB contracts don’t affect me
You are so right. I wish Lamar had that mindset.
Patrick wants to keep quality players around him...
Jalen deserves it. He did all the right things to get his money.
Mike, you can be a pretty funny sneaky guy sometimes. lol. You guys are the best
Mahomes isn't selfish, there's that.
Yes...and he's loaded, to boot 😊
@@mreloo He makes so much from his endorsement deals. No need to strap his team.
@@oneilljryan Jalen Hurts Cap Hit. 2023. $6.15 million. 2024 : $13.56 million 2025: $21.77 million 2026 : $31.77 million. That's jalen hurts cap deal. He is doing what TOM BRADY DID
Mahomes still gets about $45 guaranteed each season. His deal has nothing to do with being selfish or not, he gets paid top 4 or 5 per year still, in a way that lets the team move the money around but he's still guaranteed his amount. His money is also structured really uniquely that it becomes fully guaranteed 2 years out. His money through 2024 is already guaranteed $45m.
@@oneilljryanexactly. Bc the more you win and the more likable you are you realize throwing a ball isn’t the only way to make money as a pro QB.
Hell if Mahomes wants a quick 10 million he could have his agent on the phone locking down an endorsement deal within a week.
Bringing up Mahomes is a representation of the negative side of sports analysis. Mahomes is winning Super Bowls and making insurance commercials. The Chiefs are winning Super Bowls and…also making insurance commercials. He’s getting anything but screwed.
Earning half a billion in your career is NOT getting screwed 😂🙄
There are plenty of people on here questioning the decision to pay him at this level but I think it's a really smart move by the Eagles. Waiting could only hurt them financially by allowing several other QBs like Burrow and Herbert to get paid and set the bar even higher. He won't be highest paid for long and by paying him now they will save in the long run. Of course all this depends on him playing at the same level he played at last year or better but he's clearly improved every year as a passer and his stats clearly show this. His athleticism and ability to run will give him the time and opportunity to develop in the pocket and get better at reading defences. As a Chiefs fan I think it's a shrewd move from Roseman because he answered the biggest question this year. How a QB handles the increased pressure of the playoffs as well as having to play against a higher level of competition is the biggest unknown for most young QBs and Hurts more than rose to the occasion this year. His leadership and composure in the SB were very impressive and the way he battled back from the fumble spoke volumes about his character. It's impossible to predict the future but in my opinion Philly has a special QB who will continue to grow and get better over time and paying him now to tie him up long term will prove to be a masterstroke.
Mahomes wants to be an all time great. He knows he’s underpaid but that’s what it takes to keep a contending team around him every year.
True, but dam, he is only making 5M more than Daniel Jones..🤣😂😅
@@blackchain1900 But how much will Mahomes make off of endorsements & other external income flows contingent of being an all time great & multiple SB & MVP winner?
Brady literally has a $37.5m pa Fox contract waiting for him cos he's the GOAT.... No one else can command that level of $$$ on TV in retirement
@@StarboundUK Mahomes has the long term thinking that most do not
The Patriots did that for years and how did it work out for them?
They dominated the league for years while their players were still making millions.
They bought into the notion that you can get rich AND win the rings that money can't buy.
@@shay8027 More that He's confident in his elite talent to elevate him to a level where his BRAND prints money.. Apparently only Brady makes more endorsement money than him in NFL He's won 2SB & 2MVPs on both a rookie contract & Big Money contract... He took a squad with a bunch of rookies to SB... KCC & Veach/Reid think they don't need to chase Expensive Free Agents to go deep in playoffs & win SBs... Bills spent money on HoF & old Von Miller to get their Mahomes killer
Hell if Mahomes had a functioning O Line in SB 2021 & receivers/TE actually catching 🏈 aimed at their heads he could have given Brady a real game
Plus he lives in Missouri - a million or 2 goes far there... He bought his main country ranch home for less than $2m
Jones however needs to chase a money contract cos he ain't making off field bread like Mahomes. His agent got him paid for now.... But his effective guarantees are far less than Mahomes
Mahomes is a great contract and gives the chiefs flexibility. Hence why if an afc team wants to get to the Super Bowl ull have to go through him and Andy Reid. Also it’s hilarious to watch Andy Reid scratch off plays he’s called during the game 😂
Chris Simms punching the air rn
Maybe they didn't know it at the time but the "no trade clause" is the real game changer in his contract. That's unheard of in the NFL and the first one in Eagles history.
Sometimes I see these contracts and think a player was overpaid, but not with JH. He has earned it and - I'm not even an Eagles fan - I hope he keeps being a leader and playing at a high level for a long time.
Philadelphia has set themselves up for success over the next 1/2 decade. Good job on all parties. Burrow and Herbert getting a 2023 franchise deal done with the Brown and Spanos families is going to be weird.
The rest of the team will be making minimum wage.
Mahomes moved compensation from team to endorsements. Hurts did the same
finally said the quiet part out loud... These contracts often time benefit the team/agent more than the players...
Mahomes is getting what he wants: trophys , rings And a HOF legacy. He makes his real $ from endorsements while the Chiefs can afford to put talent around him.
If Hurts never wins a Bowl, the only one who benefits is Hurts.
I know the context in which Florio can majestically say that someone making $43M/yr could be "getting screwed" later in the deal....but give me a fucking break.
The median US household income is $54K/yr ok? Let's just take a cold shower on the language here and have a dose of fucking reality. It's an enormous amount of money, and fortunately for the Eagles and for Jalen Hurts it gives them some flexibility to actually keep a good team around him too. Congrats to both sides on a job well done.
Lamar deal has nothing to do with an agent. Baltimore doesn’t want to pay what’s worth, they didn’t get it done two years ago and they’re not willing to get it done now.
can’t believe i just heard a Giants fan say “I love the eagles” 😳
OMG, I'm sure any one of us regular stiffs would sign up for $43 million for 6 years!! Who can't live on $43 million a year? That's beyond ridiculous wages.......
He's worth 43m+ a yearprecisely because he's not a regular stiff.
Simms didn't give Hurts any credit all season. Feels so good to see him with no choice lol.
It’s crazy how people love to instantly criticize a contract like this. People say it’s “too soon” or “too much” based on what he has done so far.
However, anyone who tries to make this contract solely about Jalen Hurts statistics(or lack thereof) when compared to other elite QBs, is completely missing the point. Yes, his numbers are great. He took them to the Super Bowl last year. Played lights out bell to bell last year. But that is such a small aspect of why locking him up is absolutely unequivocally 100% the right thing to do. This guy is to the Eagles what someone like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning was to the Patriots/Colts/Buccaneers/Broncos. Now to be clear, I’m not saying he is on that level yet. But what I am saying is he is unequivocally like them in the sense that he is the CEO of the organization now. You don’t have to worry about personality issues. Don’t have to worry about work ethic. Don’t have to worry about what he does the night before a club. Don’t worry about his teammates despising him. Dude is a complete package in a way so few QBs have really ever been. And he’s only getting started.
The mention of an agent is a shot at Lamar, if he inks a major contract without an agent that’s a threat to that profession, that’s part of why the owners and media are against him
I think he just going to keep getting better tbh just worried bout injury and maybe should run less
Heres hoping it works out for both sides. It seems a big risk in my uneducated point of view based on what he's done so far and the fact he runs more than most QB's.
As a 49ers fan, I can appreciate a team securing their guy. Makes sense why the Eagles spanked the 49ers, who love bragging about how cheap their QB room is. You get what you pay for
When your team has a qb injury curse its the best you can do
@@benguensche it has more to do with decision making by Kyle and John than any curse.
And there it is ladies and gentlemen probably the funniest thing I've heard all week or will here all week diamond-encrusted toilet that is absolutely perfect😂
Players shouldn't get mad when they sign their contract if the market goes up in the next few years. I understand being screwed if a player signed a contract far below market value at that time. Mahome's contract at the time when he signed it was awesome. And guess what. It still is. I wish I was making $45 million a year.
Count the time Chris says you know
Say goodbye to Philly's OL and Defense, can't afford them when you pay the QB $51 million a year.
Except that they can😂😂😂.the OLine is set
Just pay the whole salary cap to qbs and hire truck drivers to fill out the roster. F-it.
Mahomes wants to win. He’s chasing Brady, not dollars. Chasing money just to chase money is stupid. Mahomes is set for life and will make more money off the field because he’s winning than he ever could by being greedy and losing on the field.
Anybody can make a blunder at any time. That fumble in the SB was obviously unfortunate. My concern about Hurts is he was just TOO MUCH of the Eagles' offense by himself last year. We've all seen how that similar situation has gone for the Bills. It makes for a lot of exciting regular season wins, but in the playoffs where the defenses are consistently better, they find ways to limit teams who rely too much on one player.
Doesn't matter eagles almost won the superbowl and he was the biggest reason why
@@bookswithbenjamin8902 “Almost”being the operative word
@David Montgomery don’t even bother. People will find excuses for anything
Dude Mahomes is doing just fine. He’s got that endorsement money and he has two rings. Also has an organization not tied down by a large QB contract. He has that Brady mentality.
It must be the most miserable feeling to be worth millions or billions to do what you love doing and still feel like you’re getting screwed. These people will never be happy. Never satisfied. Very sad.
Nike hoodie, changing up da wardrobe
Respect to the eagles took care of their GUY quickly...unlike. Jerry dum dum Jones...took for ever doing daks deal.....props to the EAGLES
They were top in passing, rushing, offense and he was a difference maker. Ravens were top in rushing like the Eagles but bottom half scoring and bottom 5 passing yards, and if injury is the excuse for the yards that counts. Jackson was at Hurts level 1 year out of 5 and the rest were more value rushing than passing and injuries are starting.
Hurts is better now, agreed
Hurts has better coaching, team and organization
@@chetjablonski1993 Hurts has a better team
He says it's not actually an extension and then goes on to describe the definition of an extension. Additionally, Lamar is not in the last year of his contract, he doesn't have one. If he is offered an extension that is comparable to Hurts' but along the numbers that were reported, which were slightly higher in proportion, he should sign the contract. Jalen's guarantees were 110 million at signing and 170 after March 2024. Lamar's were reported at 133 and 200 respectively. If that is the case, he shot himself in the foot by not signing, assuming the numbers were all that he cared about. Who knows? Maybe the no trade clause was incredibly important.
Careful with false info. The extension doesnt negate or 'rip up' the old contract. Thats simply false.
Hurts contract will be the 3rd best QB contract deal of the decade after of course Mahomes & Allen’s deals. Good job Philly!
Mahomes doesn't need to be nor wants to be the highest paid QB in my opinion. He's been there done that.. He wants Championships.. Rings to put on all his fingers. He knows he will need help. He also knows that he will be paid well and have the ability to make more money with endorsements and as Entrepreneur then he will with football. But all of this comes from who he is. The NFL gave him his platform to shine.. Being paid the highest. No one remembers that.. Winning Championships... You will be remembered for ever.
Florio acts like there is no salary cap. It’s not taking it easy on the oligarchs, it actually allows more players to make the money they deserve.
These clowns are always trying to start drama. "The chiefs benefit from the fact that Pat Mahomes isn't wired that way"...or maybe he's just happy where he's at and with the contract he signed...
joe burrow next, justin herbert then
Hurts should give half to the line and the other half to the receivers around him. Those are the guys that got him this deal anyway.
Hurts got his deal in 2021.
Look at some point these QBs should take there money and just Play. They all already know at some point all their contracts will be outdated but it's still more than most people lifetime. It is what it is.
Well deserved. Hurts is an elite
WOW Mike and hoodie. I like the look!!
One good year on the most stacked roster in the NFL. Look at what happened ti Josh Allen and the Bills once he got paid, it changes the team and Allen regressed last season. We’ll see but idk if Jalen proved enough to be the highest paid player in history.
First thing we need to do, is stop saying he's the highest paid ever. "Average 51 a year" isn't real. The only part that's real and matters is the guarantee. Which is miles nelow Watson
Allen was on an mvp pace until his ucl injury
@@dannyquilter8366 ok second highest then lol. My point still stands
If Jalen took $10 million that would help the team
Chris! Diamond encrusted?
So why do you keep saying Lamar needs an agent if he has a better offer than all the guy not named Watson?
Swhat kind of payday does a player get after agent fees. Don't worry about taxes because there are ways to minimize the tax effect?
These analysts crack me up. They signed a contract and when there contracts come up the studio might not think there doing the job and they could tell them there not resigning them to what you think you want and they take this or they will let you go
Josh Allen not getting help is the narrative for him now? Nahhhh cmon now he’s had top 10 defenses and diggs
How does Allen not have talent around him? He came up short in the playoffs, and nobody seems to know why buffalo of all teams doesn't run the ball more. Coaches don't affect the cap.
Fortunately, Mahomes is smarter than Florio
Sims hates Hurts and now he's talking him up.
Because it gives him yet ANOTHER opportunity to bring up his FAVORITE topic these days: Lamar Jackson.
Makes me worried about Joe Burrow getting an extention done.
I hate it when people count other people's money...
These takes on Mahomes getting screwed are so nuts. The owner is screwing Patrick Mahomes because they're only paying him $500 million instead of maybe $600 million? Unbelieveable lol.
17:00 As long as Mahomes is leaving football money on the table allowing the Chiefs to spend on players who help him win Lombardi’s, Mahomes will make up for it and then some in off-field endorsements. He’s following the Brady model.
Mahomes has a very keen eye and knows Brady never took the max. He sees the goat get a 40m deal to work the booth. Mahomes sees all the other opportunities that come with him being undisputed best of the best. He has ownership on his mind no doubt.
Damn Chrissy Simm's 40th ranked QB got paid 🤣
Halen Hurts definitely deserves this contract extension. With his achievements he's made in his short time in the NFL, he's earned every penny in the new contract.
As for Lamar Jackson's situation, he's screwed himself by trying to bypass the agents and keep their share of the deal for himself. He thinks he's smarter than everyone else around him, and thinks he's slick, but he isn't. All he's done is to piss off the people within the Ravens organization with his outrageous demands and antics. However, the Ravens still want him, and believe in him. So he should do something smart by hiring an agent, and let him work out a contract with the Ravens, and then sign it because as he's found out, he's not in demand with other teams because they don't believe he's worth two first round draft picks to get him. Also, his history of being injured, and his below average play-off record doesn't impress either. So, if he's committed to being "the guy" for the Ravens, then he should sign his tender, hire an agent, and take the new contract offer they work out. Lamar needs to let his talent do the talking for him out on the field. Just as Dak did, he played one of his best seasons moths prior to him getting his big contract extension. So Lamar needs to do the same. Then his actions will speak volumes to everyone. However, all of his complaining, and him trying to be the victim is just making him look stupid, entitled, and arrogant. That's why many fans and team execs have turned against him.
Anyway, Jalen...congrats, and Lamar; quit whining and go do your job, or sit out the season where you'll fade out as a has been.
another foolish comment on lamar
Dude you need to relax
See how it works Lamar?
See how it works Baltimore
@@904TallerTim The player has to be willing to compromise and Lamar isn't. He wants too much, and too much guaranteed. And two years into negotiations, instead of adjusting his demands, he's playing the victim with his goofy tweets. It's all on him.
@@boysilver2556 Exactly.
@@boysilver2556 : You have absolutely no idea what Jackson wants or what the final offer the Ravens offered to him. STOP GOSSIPING!!!!!!
@@williejohnson5172 Yes, let's pretend both the Ravens and Lamar didn't already confirm what he was offered in guaranteed money. Let's keep the narrative going that Lamar's the victim because that's all he's got left after already losing out on $100M or more (so far) because of his stubbornness and ego.
Mahomes is getting screwed? Wow, I wish I could get paid to give such a braindead take.
give Justin Fields the weapons and Eagle's o-line and see if he is any less effective than Hurts.
Diamond Encrusted Toilet --- Awesome!
Hurts extension proves what is possible when you're a professional grown adult that understands how business is conducted.
A smart agent helps too.
@@dastrnad Exactly.
We'll see how much of a "franchise QB" he is when they can't afford to surround him with a great roster because of how big of a cap hit his new contract takes up.
VERY few QB's able to win with mediocre rosters around them (a la Brady) as a result of their contracts, and therefore very few worth those dollars. Look at Aaron Rogers...
Mahomes makes a ridiculous amount off endorsements. He's fine
Wow. Florio actually sounding measured and reasonable. He's made Simms comfortable with being an idiot so now he's backing away trying to be the smart one in the group. Yesterday Chris said the deal the Ravens offered Lamar was better than Hurts's deal. How do these people even get to be on these shows?
Mike, seriously, how many times are you going to reiterate Patrick Mahomes is getting screwed? He's not. One could argue that his contract has allowed the Chiefs to win more games, thereby lining Mahomes' pockets with more advertising gig money. (I haven't seen Mayfield, Watson, or Jackson in commercials lately.)
Also, if not for the team and coaching situation Patrick is in, he might not even have become the "Patrick Mahomes" that we see today. It's silly to get irate about it and to claim someone "deserves" such and such amount of money.
$43 million screwed ... lol omg absurd!!!
If only the Eagles had a QB like Daniel Jones, the Eagles would’ve won the Super Bowl, eh Chris?
Jalen hurts and Patrick mahomes obviously want to keep winning idk why it’s a hard concept to follow😂
After 3 years the contract for Mahomes can be ripped up.
After 2-3 more AFC championship games and another 1-2 SB appearances. (Yea being too optimistic) he can go reset the market when he is already guaranteed the 2nd if not arguably the best QB ever. Then Reid can go retire
Hey Florio they making plenty of money dude. Everyone don't NEED to make EVERY dollar YOU think they deserve 🙄
Florio has to be getting paid by some agents or something. Always throwing that in there 😊
Florio conveniently forgets that the franchise tag exists
Where is Chris Simms gonna rank JALEN HURTS this year?? Hopefully he breaks the top 40...... What a POSER
Where do the Eagle Owner get the money to pay for this guy? Not from the sale of Popcorn in the Philadelphis Stadium.
These 2 actually do there homework most experts😊 don't
Ive watched my last game of black flag football.
Brady is good for another 5 years easy!
Isn't the guarantee $170 million? Florio always looking for trouble.
Make it $180 million.
A bad math take from Florio.
The reason that people talk about new money only is because anything that isn't new money isn't news. It's not a change. Only the additional 5 years and additional 250m is worth mentioning, because he was going to get the 4 or 5 by default.
Absolutely LOVE IT! The Eagles will now have significantly less money to spend on their teams each year. Go Lions! Goff cost the Lions half this money allowing for two or three awesome players the Eagles can't afford 😊. Thank goodness Hurts didn't do like Mahomes and Brady types who put higher priority on the team than making the most possible money. Greed + Salary Cap = Eagles are done 🎉😊
Florio is so mad about mahomes contract. 😅😅 everyone making more than him missed the playoffs. Top end QB pay has surpassed the contribution.
Can we just acknowledge that the NFL at least on this front has come a long way on giving people of color and opportunity to be quarterbacks and leaders in the league, now I just hope they do the same for coaching