NEW Druid, Rogue and Warlock from the Upcoming 2024 PHB!!
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- William and Brian continue to sift through all of the new class/subclass information Dungeons & Dragons has detailed from their upcoming release of the new Player's Handbook. Come learn what is new (so far) with the Rogue, Druid, and Warlock and how to compares to their 5E counterparts this week on The Dungeoncast!
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1:18:10 2 things. 1. You used to get a feature wear your beast attack counted as magical for overcoming resistances. Now it just does Radiant damage. 2. With this revision they wanted to make the Circle of the Moon more moon-like. You can cast Moonbeam and the new cantrip Starry Wisp while in beast form and now do Radiant moon damage with your beast attacks. The reason why Circle of the Moon is the Wild Shape heavy subclass is because of like werewolves and the moon. Moon is about shapeshifting.
26:19 Use an Object is not supposed to work for magic items. Now magic items use the new Magic action, which I love. It does way more than the old Cast a Spell action
Specifically they missed that in OG 5e a magic item was not able to be activated at all with the use an object and Jeremy Crawford even confirmed that in no uncertain terms. Even a common magic item like a potion of healing could not be drank as a bonus action by a thief. It was odd and was one of the best fixes in the new thief.
1:07:18 Jeremy did specifically make the point, Druids are not the animal they are turned into, their form is simply shifted to be like an animal. Same reason there’s not to hit point pools now
Essentially making the firm distinction between Wild Shape and Polymorphing into a beast. Which I've always seen as there, considering you keep your mental stats in wild shape which you explicitly don't when polymorphed.
I treasure the memory of the druid pc trying to explain to the cleric that he couldnt answer her question because he was an octopus
1:20:26 Whenever it’s been talked about it feels a lot more like, “Moving around in D&D is fun and we should be able to do it more.” Which is where my head is at. It doesn’t feel like they’re pushing the VTT. They’ve only talked about it a little. So at least for the game designers, it doesn’t seem to be the reason for more movement.
These three classes feel better than ever! Can't wait to try the new arcane trickster
Instead of doing the slipper bit at the end you could come up with clever tavern names that fit the episodes theme… basically slipper but but with a tavern instead.
Hard disagree with you guys on the change to Druids being able to speak while in wild shape. I think another reason why a lot of Druids don’t wild shape is because they realize that this is going to eliminate my ability to role-play and interact with everybody else at the table. You have to think about it not in game mechanics, but in real life mechanics, there is a person now sitting at the table who can’t “play the game” with the rest of the players.
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Yeah I think the experience people have with this aspect of wild shape probably varies widely from table to table. I think at our table it led to a lot more fun and hilarity. And more creative approaches to the social situations where the character was wild shaped.
@@ThedungeoncastThe way I always saw it, even with the 2014 version, you literally keep your mental stats as a wild shaped Druid. And there have been unique cases in the lore of abnormally intelligent animals (usually by some shenanigans with magic) that normally can't speak now being able to.
Basically, Wild Shape isn't Polymorph - you are assuming the physical form of a beast, not becoming one. Plus you can always act like you can't speak as a Wild Shape to avoid talking to people because *they* don't know you can still talk. lol
@@Thedungeoncast I love that. It’s like you’ve said before, creativity flourishes in a box. When you have a restriction to work around, it forces you to be creative and think harder about what would normally be simple. However, the game is a social game that is played in many mediums which is something that we can forget about as people who play with our friends at the dinning room table. D&D is played online, at conventions with strangers, and streamed for entertainment, so it makes sense to me to remove restrictions on something that is a core part of the gameplay in those situations: talking.
My two favorites are rogue and warlock and I’m okay with the new stuff. I like it.
It is good to note that many of these changes are close to to the lastest playtest versions of the classes if you want more details on the changes. The pdfs are still available to download
A weird thing with rogue playtest was they lost hand Crossbows due to a change in profiency wording
Hopefully they still have them though as hand crossbows are iconic for rogues
15:49 Vaxildan in the first Critical Role campaign used it once. He disguised himself as a guy and snuck into a club. That’s the only time I’ve seen it used lol
Also on the whole campaign he used his surprise attack like 4 times
5:19 Last we heard, Rogues get all simple weapons and any Martial weapon with the finesse property. Could be slightly different now.
I hope they add "and or the light property" to that so rogues still get hand crossbows
@@ShurikenSean I’m more worried about longswords. I love longswords and Rogues could originally use them. It wouldn’t be a problem if they’d just give the longswords finesse like it should.
@@EpicRandomness555 I can understand them not wanting longsword to be finesse and them getting a d10 weapon to sneak attack with. but there were magic elven longswords that were fineese atleast that rogues could take advantage of so can see where your coming from
@@ShurikenSean It’s also just accurate to real world longswords. They are fast and agile. More than the rapier. Finesse should technically be taken from the rapier and given to the longsword because rapiers are not agile weapons. They’re as long as a longsword and almost as heavy but you only use one hand. You just jab and hope you don’t miss, there is no swinging those suckers.
I just fully flashed back the 90s. Something about that wierd blue colour..
1:01:28 Oh… now I’m wondering, do you guys know that there’s articles about the changed stuff on DnD Beyond? It might help with these reviews.
Yes I figured this out recently. Thanks for letting us know though lol
1:30:54 Funnily enough, in the Playtest, it was Thunder damage
1:13:03 Simple: because you recover Wild Shape on a short rest, and only recover spell slots on a long rest.
If it wasn't this way, you would just burn all of your Wild Shapes for free level 1 slots, take a short rest, and do it again.
Excellent point 👍
Since it is already limited to once per long rest I don't see why you can't burn more Wild Shapes for a higher level slot at higher levels before level 20. Being able to double it at 20 would still be a good part of the capstone.
@@XanderHarris1023 Probably more of a "what is a wild shape really worth" sort of thing than anything. They pretty much equate it to a 1st level spell which is fair. So why should spending more equate to higher level spell slots, when not even upcasting a level 1 spell to level 5 can genuinely come close to matching what most level 5 spells can do?
If players could just trade in all of their 1st and 2nd level spells for more 4th, 5th, 6th level spells per day, it'd be a balance nightmare.
@@Mrryn Wild Shape is capped at 4 (and that isn't until level 17) and you can't burn spell slots to gain more until you are out so max spell slot is 3 for most of the game. An extra 3rd level slot might be strong for level 6 so don't upgrade it until level 9. An extra 3rd level slot for 9th level character isn't overly broken, I don't think.
@@XanderHarris1023 The other part of it is that it runs counter to design philosophy. There are other alternatives for how you can spend your uses of wild shape but you want them to balance each other out. Why use Wild Companion for a familiar or Starry Form when you can just blow them all, get an extra 3rd level slot, take a short rest and then just bank on one use of a subclass feature? Giving you access to just forgoing your wild shape uses entirely until 20th level where you are always guaranteed at least 1 every encounter disincentivizes you from other alternatives which isn't exactly healthy - the extra 3rd level spell is 99% of the time going to outweigh anything else you can do with your wild shape so now you have druids essentially by default before level 10 running around with an extra spell slot at one of their highest levels.
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The Druid capstone is basically an extra 8th level spell slot
Another thing that I dislike about a ton more movement options is that now it’s more work on the DM’s part to make large combat environments to properly utilize these features. A ton of in person options are very limited by even just table space let alone maps or environmental miniatures
you guys continue to be hilarious and besides the common interest in TTRPG's its the biggest reason why i fell in love with the show, feel like we would be friends IRL
Wotz really told the ranger, “every morning I wake up and hope you’re dead”
Man I hope they fixed the monk
Chiaotzu is NOT bald, he has a hair on his head, he makes a point to tell Krillin that when The Turtle Student calls him bald as well
Your talk about why you dont like playing rogues yourself reminds me of me not enjoying playing clerics.
I love rogues, i love rolling crazy high stealth, outmanuevering and outsmarting enemies and hitting them where it hurts.
But cleric i know is powerful and useful.
But none of their abilities really speak to me, following a god is whatever, could be cool to me in a gane where everybody is following different ones.
But the only cleric idea ive had is a changeling pretending to be an assimar and following a god of shapeshifters.
So basically a rogue cleic anyway
I’m mostly with you. I like martials more than spell casters, and my favorite full spell caster is the Warlock. Cleric’s specific abilities don’t always seem as interesting. I’d rather do Paladin.
@EpicRandomness555 yeah I can understand that
I definitely love spellcasters too, wizards being one of my favorite along with rogues and warlocks.
As spellcasters like wizards can solve problems and do the outsmarting/outmanuevering like rogues but instead wirh spells.
The cleric just doesn't speak to me that much with flavor or mechanics.
Happy to have y’all cover these changes. I appreciate the view from a fellow 4e enjoyer. Also just finished Superquest saga is it still possible to buy the book? As far as content creators to collaborate with Ed Greenwood since he’s on CZcams now, or maybe Dnd Shorts could be a fun vibe.
The PDF will be purchasable once the backers get their copy!
Thanks guys for providing insight on the updates! Will you guys provide reviews on all the new systems that are coming out due to the OGL controversies from last year (ie DC20, Tales of the Valiant, MCDM, Daggerheart, etc)? Apologies if you've answered this in the past, catching up on the content from last year!
If we get the time I'd love to!
Loved the star wars rant
Eh idk I like auto crit assassins. They should have kept that but not made it predicated on surprise.
OH yeah.. No shark in D&D?
FUCKIN LAND SHARK!!! BULETTES UP IN HERE MFER'S!!!!
conflicting information in different settings I usaly leave in the world lore as two prefelent theory's scolars beleve are right. Its what happens a lot in the real world too. and as a DM the truth is somehwhere in the middle and whit the plainer layout its usaly both and neither.
choutzu is a vampire.. and has 1 hair they show this in dragonball where he calles krillin baldy
I am a little sad that you think Rogues are so limited in the kind of characters they can be, but nothing I can really do about that and just gonna be a pirate over in the corner.
Oh I definitely don't think they're limited. I'm just not personally attracted to very many of the archetypes or the general gameplay of rogues in general.
I'm waiting for 6th edition with the hope it will continue to go back in the direction of 3 - 3.5 edition. 4th edition was an utter embarrassment made to fit with the neverwinter mmo. 5th edition got better but it felt like "Dnd for dummies".
We love 4e around these parts!
D&D will likely never return to the 3-3.5 days. At the end of the day D&D is a product to be sold to create value for WoC. With 5e selling so well, making D&D mainstream, they'll most likely stick to that formula.
@@placeholdername3818 Sad but true. WotC wasn't bad at first, but nowadays it just makes me wish TSR never sold it to them. If they were smart, they would re-release old editions. Everyone I know still plays 3.5 or 2nd edition but it gets harder and harder for people to get those old source books as time goes on.
@@broadsidedarth7801They have said, and I hope they are telling the truth, that after these revised books come out they will work on adding older editions to the Creative Commons.
Rogues were done dirty. We got mostly useless or nearly never used options for cunning strikes and no upgrades.
Like at least give us more dice for sneak attack. (1d4 per level or 1d8 every other) to stay on par. You can keep cunning strikes.
The withsraw without opportunity attack was a core feature of swashbucklers. Also those aren't like "one die" costs, but 2 or 4 or to knock someone out, 8 (which you don't even have that many till level 16).
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Please don’t touch the rogue or warlock