My advise/experience, submit the plan you want, wait for the denial, submit multiple plans, wait for their denial, submit the first one again and get approval
It is just a power thing, look at Jeremy Clarkson and his farm. Did everything to be accommodating to the town and they with their council just put up block after block. You’re right just do it and worry later!
The national politicians create rules that frame what local politicians can put in their Local Plan, which sets out what generally is required, and how things will be assessed. Clarkson knew those rules, got a permission which set out those rules, and he knowingly broke it. Without out system, people woudl build what they want, and that would generally mean finding the cheapest land, which is farmland, and which is the most inaccessible. It would be like america with strip malls and buildings dotted about everywhere, very little real countryside left. The american system is much more expensive and harmful to society, as soooo much more infrastructure is required when things are scattered everywhere, so people pay more taxes to compensate for the convenience and greed of the developer. We should develop more land yes, absolutely, but Clarkson's shop/restaurant breach was akin to putting a little Nando's or Waitrose in the cheapest most convenient place for him, reachable only by car, and making what retail/food uses already existed in the actual village centres even less attractive and less able to compete, and killing off what little life remains there.
I'm a town planner - obviously I don't know the site or the local area, but your planner seems a little over-cautious. I would never encourage anyone to go ahead anyway and then ask for retrospective permission. When the Council refuse permission, two thirds of the time the national body that handles the appeal (the 'Planning Inspectorate') agree with the Council, and I have seen people in tears, financially ruined, or unable to sell their home because they were unable to get retrospective permission.
You buy a house and still don't own it. Totally opposite world. There should just be a list of things you can't do, and if you don't violate that then you should be free to go ahead.
@@DeloreanJack like slavery, torture etc? (or just building a 5 storey building right up to the propoerty boundaries, ruining your neighbours peaceful enjoyment of their properties?)
Been waiting with baited breath. . . .just a council power trip, surely the "Inkeeping with current design" is only really relevant with either period houses or in communal type of areas. Think personally I would have just done it Furze style and just done it
Here in the states we have a "waiver" form that we can apply in certain states. It essentially states the addition is for personal use and we will not sell or rent the home for two years after the completion. The deed also has it listed as a waiver. The reason I mention is that very few people take advantage of that waiver here in the US and nobody at Planning ever volunteers the information about it. There may be a similar option in your location. Regardless, it is exactly as you said. Build first. Never ask for permission. And ask your neighbors to write a letter endorsing/approving of your project to Planning. Good luck! Love the project!
Good morning, Dave, so sorry to hear about the Council refusing permission. After battling my local council back in the day. I will have to roll with Richard-Mac points. I will tell you I think my claustrophobia might be getting better, I only turned away once. Great work, wishing all the best. Cheers
Thanks for publishing the video Dave, i always look forward to your videos. Sorry you're having trouble with the planning. I have no planning permission experience, although i do have experience working with people whose purpose in life is to stop other people doing anything. You have to fight these people every step of the way. Ask them to explain why your extension is not in keeping with the building. Ask them to explain why they're not happy with the conservatory which is usually a permitted development as other commenters have observed. Don't go down without a fight. As Jeremy Clarkson has found, a good fight with planning permission makes good TV!
When I converted the army building into a house originally, the planning permission had no permitted development rights, it’s because I have broke these that has annoyed them I think, the conservatory was built in 2014 so now has planing anyway. Hopefully the descaled plan might pass
Hey Dave I just wanted to let you know we do building content as well and we will a cool video out soon. We have been watching your videos for a while now and I all I can say is don't stop! Ps: that planning lady was definitely on a power trip or something.
Also Dave once the planning is sorted build the extension and don’t mention the tunnel. If building control get a sniff of that it will end the project. You can always cut through to the bunker later when the extension is finished and signed off.
Your original plans looked absolutely fine and it's hard to see what's not in keeping with the rest of your building. If planners could only look at themselves and see some of the mess they've made with public roads and housing estates, then maybe they'd be more amenable to a private person just trying to upgrade his own property.
Sorry to hear about your council issues. Can't help but wonder how much damage they do to the economy. I briefly considered extending my house but the necessary permits would have cost more than the extension so gave up on the idea. Good luck going forward mate.
I’m much better at the designing and doing stage than ticking all the boxes, my mind doesn’t work in that way, I think I’m classed as a non conformist 😂
Friends like Josie are why you can't have nice things, Dave...😂 Best of luck with the planning commission. I think you were wise to do things the right way, despite the setback. It could've ended MUCH worse for you if you had gone ahead without approval.
Yes at least if I do get the permission I know it’s here to stay, just feels like a big set back as a lot of neighbouring properties are doing much bigger developments with out any planning
I’ve got no real experience or advice for this. I’m from Canada but we have similar systems and governing mechanisms. I just wanted to say that I feel for you. And I hope that something goes your way. Don’t do the knee jerk reaction …can’t fight city hall is an American expression, but it is alive and well here too. Just calm and careful and persistent maneuvering. There already seems to be a lot of great advice.
Conservatory’s don’t need planning permission so they can take a running jump on that one. Have a look at Permitted Development. I think I’m correct in saying you can build a single storey extension at the rear of your house going out 6 metres. There are many CZcams videos explaining what you can do under permitted development. Don’t give up!
next thing you know they'll say your home isn't zoned for oled screens because it's not in keeping with the crts the council still uses for their Amstrads.
Wouldnt your extension come under permitted development laws, it looks like it does! If it was me, as long as I'm inside those laws id crack on and with the bunker also because there is no real law about digging down. Most of the time it's easy to seek forgiveness than ask permission especially in today's backward world.
The basement/bunker makes it a little complicated, it would be treated like a two storey extension, which would then restrict the depth possible (a lot). I would never encourage anyone to build it and then ask retrospective permission - in some places you are even less likely to get permission via that route than by askign in advance.
@@Return_oftheMac any mezzanine floor is to be regarded as a storey if its internal floor area is at least half of the internal floor area of the largest storey in the building, which is not below ground level.” So simply, basements and below ground floors can be ignored. This is because the height is considered above the ground, so no it wouldn't be classed as a 2nd storey. But Each to their own on permistions, I've only been building 30 years so don't really know that much, everyday is a school day. :)
Ego is a hard thing to control when given so much power, evil can be very easily mixed with it and they get that good feeling but not from being good..
Yes power does go to peoples head, I’m not the sort of person that would enjoy using power against people but I do keep stumbling across people that do enjoy it
I grew up in construction and especially remodel. Planning is never your friend. It serves a purpose to an end, but for enthusiastic inventors like yourself it will always be 10 steps behind you.
Yes that’s the problem when your creative, I find I have to get on with the project as soon as they are in my head else I can’t sleep at night, no time for planning 😂
Same problem with the council, thats why we need more TBMs it's the only way to dig faster then the council can start nagging around. Good progress on the Project. btw. Size on TBMs realy matters
I’m confused, have they not seen the tunnel on the plans? One would think they’d be having a hissy fit at the tunnel, not at the extension…if they haven’t seen the tunnel and they’re being so ridiculous over a simple extension, I don’t think this will end well
I think the council need to take a running jump! Carry on with the dig and worry about it later. Your mate Mark needs to cheer up and we need more of your mate Ian in the videos. He's way more fun 😁
In my area in Australia, I asked of drawing advice for a deck, slab for a pool and a covered patio for my local council 54m2 in size. Originally I had all sorts of sections, details for spans and the like. For approval, they just needed simple line drawings, like the block of land, where house was and where the work fitted. Simple sections showing the impact to neighbours. Basic perimeter measurements. No technical features at all. They just said include a written statement about using building standards, using quality materials, consideration for noise of the neighbours, keep the street clear stuff like that. It was approved in a few weeks. I was surprised by how little info they wanted. They stated that if you build to code you will pass your inspections. It may be very different on a "historical building"
I'm an architect here in the states. If you want me to work up a design in hopes of salvaging the larger addon I'd be happy to see what I can do to make it "fit" more in line with the existing area. I have a couple of ideas but I'd need to see some photos of the surrounding area.
Thanks for the offer, once we clear up the problem with the conservatory, I will see how it goes and might get back to you, they might be ok after we clear that misunderstanding up 😀
What was their reasoning behind refusing the application? If it’s in keeping with everything else, not obstructing anybody’s view or causing loss of light etc. dig footings ready and appeal it!
No permitted development rights here, that’s the problem, I’ve not let the planning get refused, they have just ask me to change my plans, will see what happens in the next couple of weeks 😀
@@Tornado_Dave must be a conservation area? Makes it a little more tricky. I’m no expert but understand the process. We’ve built two extensions on our house. Well good luck to you, love the videos!!
Just thinking out loud how about fitting a French drain the length of the tunnel, fitted underneath it will naturally drain the water. Even though you are part way it could now drain back to a sump pump for the rest you dig out.
What I’ve learnt in life is to tell the people in charge f#ck all, act thick as shit if they find out then if they don’t don’t worry about it. The less people know the less hassle you get. Hope you get it sorted fella 👍
Have they looked at the second lot of plans? the bunker bit looks very close to the surface to me unless, you are stating that it is going to be a patio area or something, that flat roof/patio area will be a problem too for for holding water and the strength unless you are putting some I beams/RSJ's in to support it.
It would have beams and I would lower it down to suit double thickness concrete roof and then slabs on top, I will worry about the fine details if planning is accepted 😀
Didn't think you would need planning permission for a conservatory that size, I'd push back and ask for clarity on how it is not in keeping as you're matching everything.
@@Tornado_Dave You are handy enough to make a small sluice.. A bit of Scotch bright as miners moss.. some riffles in some plates.. the right angle.. and everything you dig out.. get it thru it.
Planning are a law unto themselves - they allow something garish then refuse something similar or better next door...must be lots of brown envelopes going around!
Having worked in county planning, back in the day. what you actually need is a briefcase full of money, when you go to your planning meeting. Seemed to work for all those no way in hell are they going to grant planning for that meetings. Some how the money seems to make issues just go away. A fair few staff left due to this kinda behaviour.
I would have put in a plan which had lots more than I wanted when it gets knocked back Your able to remove stuff and then you will end up with what you wanted.
Put an application in for a 2 story grey block monstrosity with a 2ud floor loft extension. And change your name to something more exotic and inclusive.
just put a wooden Pergola where the rest of the extension was in the same shape as the extension, they can't do anything if it is a "temporary" wooden structure
I just can't understand why they would refuse that plan - its not adversely overlooking neighbours or affecting anyone else really, being in your backyard. And like you say matches the rest of the house in material and design.
Check out The Restoration Couple and see how much they paid for planning permission for their barn conversion.. And all the hassle they went through to get it. Shocking.
You don’t need planning on conservatories because of the percentage of glass Dave so that doesn’t count and I don’t know why you have asked for that extension it should come under permitted development. You can go quite large with single storey permitted development so google it Dave. That’s not a conservation area is it.
Planning is all about money 💰 the council just knock you back to get more money out of you ... and you are right its better to ask for forgiveness, have you got a planning consultant in ... they seem to have a bit of clout especially if he's a good one ... anyway good luck
Yes it’s all in hand, they are very confused of what’s been said here as well, will see how this week goes and hopefully I will have some more news in the next video 😀
Why do people moan about other people’s buildings, it has nothing to do with them and if it’s in your property line I can’t see the difference anyway, some people just like spoiling others ideas, it’s looking great so far Dave 👍🏻
Power trip after power trip, you own the home and the land , or am I wrong , I guess in the uk the government own everything you just lease it even if you own and pay tax on it, only thing I can say is take them to court .
Do you not have permitted development rights? Could just be the case that when you built within permitted development you just discovered a bunker there ready to go...
@Tornado_Dave Damm permits..I worked fr the government here in n.s fr 23 years ..we always said...( it's easier to get forgiveness than it is to get permission )..but more obstacles u encounter harder one works to over come... don't give up..
With my attention span there is no point me being part of a meeting etc, I would end up daydreaming my way through them, I’m wired up a bit different 😂
Local governments only exist to remind us who really owns the land, We just think we do. Our city government knocked down a 100 year old 10 year vacant house, because hey determined it was a hazard to the kids constantly breaking into and vandalizing it.
It's the councillors having a power trip mate. Can't see what the problem is people get away with a lot worse. Obviously no back ganders involved. Not as if you have niebours over looking the property. I take it permitted development rules don't apply. There's a bungalow in mickleover been converted to a hmo for mental health issues in the middle of a residential street that got planning wander how much the councillors got paid for that.
you're not alone with having unreasonable planners. they like to have some "input" into your plans changing them into something you don't want to do. I think it is a power/feel important thing, because there isn't any logical reason for their descisions. We once wanted to develop a ruin, and it needed an access drive. after a year of telling is we couldn't have it in various places, and doing studies etc, they accepted the original location we wanted, but then changed the material requirements of the drive to something that was unsuitable for the incline and would have cost all the money we had for the development. I call them the unplanning department. They over-reach and abuse their power. I don't mind building regs for safety, but in my area the planning dept. should be replaced by a machine that just says yes, go ahead, and it sounds like yours is not much different.
@@Tornado_Dave in our case, we could have as we are allowed to build tracks on a farm without "permission", but after applying, the rules change, and they do use sattelite photography, so it's not as if you can hide it. They also wanted an archeologic survey done - for an access track (which doesn't go more than a foot or so in the ground). something else to cost more money, with no definition of what amount of "history in the ground" would effect permission, and no way to appeal.
If no planning permit was needed anywhere neighbours could build anything, and how horrible would that be? Personally prefer a neighbour doing tunnels on his/her property than fill it with rusting shipping containers which are an eyesore if anything.
Just watch Clarksons Farm to appreciate town planners, bloody joke, unless you are a multi million housing developer building on land that no one wants you too but the cousin say get on with it lad. But for us mere mortals, prepare to battle, yes I agree, if it’s built properly to specification and all the neighbours are happy with it the go for it
i did it the right way to live on my land and they said no and i no somone who did it the rong way the same time as me and he got a yes that pissed me right off i must say big time
ennit fuck the council they will chop down an ancient tree just soo they can nstick a 5g pole or a block of flats there but if soomeone whats to modify their own property abit they start bitchin
Can't stand planning officers! Definitely a power thing - why else would anyone be attracted to that job?! Your refusal is totally unwarranted, it was perfectly in keeping with the existing structure, and from what I can see has nil impact on anyone else, and based on the size of your plot it certainly isn't over-developed either. I once battled to get planning on a 1/3 acre back garden for a new dwelling, in an existing developed road. Battled it for years, never succeeded. A few weeks after my final appeal was declined, the same authority gave permission for a 150 home estate on green belt land only 500 yards away...
The people who take government jobs do so as they have absolutely no marketable skills of their own. Yet, they believe they are the brightest bulb in the pack. (Hint. They are not.) They become pathetic tin plated dictators who see their job as to say NO to anyone who is superior at practical skills and trade crafts than they are. Or ever hope to be. In earlier times, these types populated the stocks in the town squares.
Tunnel into the planning office and nick the 'approved' stamp
haha.
Nice plan 😂
My advise/experience, submit the plan you want, wait for the denial, submit multiple plans, wait for their denial, submit the first one again and get approval
Yes then they feel they have had their say 😂
Isn't that the truth. We have had simular experiences in Canada aswell. They just want to feel like they have the power. Keep up the great work.
@Tornado_Dave , and they feel like they've earned enough money after the third or fourth application.
as a fellow sheet metal worker im going to say i fuckin love this
I hope the council approves your new plans.
It is just a power thing, look at Jeremy Clarkson and his farm. Did everything to be accommodating to the town and they with their council just put up block after block. You’re right just do it and worry later!
Yes it does look that way, you can see why people just do it with put planning 😂
The national politicians create rules that frame what local politicians can put in their Local Plan, which sets out what generally is required, and how things will be assessed. Clarkson knew those rules, got a permission which set out those rules, and he knowingly broke it. Without out system, people woudl build what they want, and that would generally mean finding the cheapest land, which is farmland, and which is the most inaccessible. It would be like america with strip malls and buildings dotted about everywhere, very little real countryside left. The american system is much more expensive and harmful to society, as soooo much more infrastructure is required when things are scattered everywhere, so people pay more taxes to compensate for the convenience and greed of the developer. We should develop more land yes, absolutely, but Clarkson's shop/restaurant breach was akin to putting a little Nando's or Waitrose in the cheapest most convenient place for him, reachable only by car, and making what retail/food uses already existed in the actual village centres even less attractive and less able to compete, and killing off what little life remains there.
I'm a town planner - obviously I don't know the site or the local area, but your planner seems a little over-cautious. I would never encourage anyone to go ahead anyway and then ask for retrospective permission. When the Council refuse permission, two thirds of the time the national body that handles the appeal (the 'Planning Inspectorate') agree with the Council, and I have seen people in tears, financially ruined, or unable to sell their home because they were unable to get retrospective permission.
You buy a house and still don't own it. Totally opposite world. There should just be a list of things you can't do, and if you don't violate that then you should be free to go ahead.
If you have to ask permission to do anything on your property it's not really yours.
Sounds like a great place to live....😂
Just make sure the bunker is built to the correct standard to support a later build, when there's a change of staff at planning try again
@@DeloreanJack like slavery, torture etc? (or just building a 5 storey building right up to the propoerty boundaries, ruining your neighbours peaceful enjoyment of their properties?)
Just binged watched the whole tunnel series so far and have just enjoyed it so much. Its so interesting! Easiest subscribe ever 👍🏻
Glad you like it and have subscribed, next video out Friday night 😀
Been waiting with baited breath. . . .just a council power trip, surely the "Inkeeping with current design" is only really relevant with either period houses or in communal type of areas. Think personally I would have just done it Furze style and just done it
Here in the states we have a "waiver" form that we can apply in certain states. It essentially states the addition is for personal use and we will not sell or rent the home for two years after the completion. The deed also has it listed as a waiver. The reason I mention is that very few people take advantage of that waiver here in the US and nobody at Planning ever volunteers the information about it. There may be a similar option in your location.
Regardless, it is exactly as you said. Build first. Never ask for permission. And ask your neighbors to write a letter endorsing/approving of your project to Planning.
Good luck! Love the project!
Good morning, Dave, so sorry to hear about the Council refusing permission. After battling my local council back in the day. I will have to roll with Richard-Mac points. I will tell you I think my claustrophobia might be getting better, I only turned away once. Great work, wishing all the best. Cheers
You must be getting used to the tunnel size now 😀
Thanks for publishing the video Dave, i always look forward to your videos. Sorry you're having trouble with the planning. I have no planning permission experience, although i do have experience working with people whose purpose in life is to stop other people doing anything. You have to fight these people every step of the way. Ask them to explain why your extension is not in keeping with the building. Ask them to explain why they're not happy with the conservatory which is usually a permitted development as other commenters have observed. Don't go down without a fight. As Jeremy Clarkson has found, a good fight with planning permission makes good TV!
When I converted the army building into a house originally, the planning permission had no permitted development rights, it’s because I have broke these that has annoyed them I think, the conservatory was built in 2014 so now has planing anyway. Hopefully the descaled plan might pass
looking forward to hearing what you do! Planning is always a pain but I appreciate you doing it now n
Hopefully I will have an update in the next video 😀
Hey Dave I just wanted to let you know we do building content as well and we will a cool video out soon. We have been watching your videos for a while now and I all I can say is don't stop! Ps: that planning lady was definitely on a power trip or something.
Cool, thanks and I will check your video out 😀
Also Dave once the planning is sorted build the extension and don’t mention the tunnel. If building control get a sniff of that it will end the project. You can always cut through to the bunker later when the extension is finished and signed off.
What tunnel? 😂
Love your idea, sorry the planning office is giving you a hard time. Keep it going! Looking forward to the next video.
Thanks so much! I will keep digging this week and hopefully things might sort themselves out 😀
Your original plans looked absolutely fine and it's hard to see what's not in keeping with the rest of your building. If planners could only look at themselves and see some of the mess they've made with public roads and housing estates, then maybe they'd be more amenable to a private person just trying to upgrade his own property.
Even if it does ruin my house, no one can see it so I’m the only one that will suffer from it anyway 😂
Good luck. Hope it continues, original plans looked great.
Thankyou, I thought they looked ok, will have to see what happens 😀
Sorry to hear about your council issues. Can't help but wonder how much damage they do to the economy. I briefly considered extending my house but the necessary permits would have cost more than the extension so gave up on the idea. Good luck going forward mate.
I’m much better at the designing and doing stage than ticking all the boxes, my mind doesn’t work in that way, I think I’m classed as a non conformist 😂
Friends like Josie are why you can't have nice things, Dave...😂 Best of luck with the planning commission. I think you were wise to do things the right way, despite the setback. It could've ended MUCH worse for you if you had gone ahead without approval.
Yes at least if I do get the permission I know it’s here to stay, just feels like a big set back as a lot of neighbouring properties are doing much bigger developments with out any planning
Keep your head up Dave! Who would have thought that dealing with people would be the hardest part of this project… 🍻
Anyone who has had the misfortune of dealing with their own local planning authority in the past.
I’ve had problems with them in the past 😂
That's frustrating regarding the planning Dave, hope you get it sorted!
Yes hopefully will do soon 😀
I’ve got no real experience or advice for this. I’m from Canada but we have similar systems and governing mechanisms.
I just wanted to say that I feel for you. And I hope that something goes your way.
Don’t do the knee jerk reaction …can’t fight city hall is an American expression, but it is alive and well here too.
Just calm and careful and persistent maneuvering.
There already seems to be a lot of great advice.
Yes I will see how they like the new plans and go from there 😀
It's called justifying your government job or position. They don't consider anything other than their job.
Its bullcrap that the council can dictate how your property looks.
Good luck!! I hope it works out for you!!
Fingers crossed!
Good luck dave ! Hope you get aproval! Its amazing we own our homes in the uk yet we dont actually own them do we...... bloody planning!!!
Yes and the other half of my site I feel I rent the amount of business rates I pay a year 😂
Conservatory’s don’t need planning permission so they can take a running jump on that one. Have a look at Permitted Development. I think I’m correct in saying you can build a single storey extension at the rear of your house going out 6 metres. There are many CZcams videos explaining what you can do under permitted development. Don’t give up!
I’ve always found planners quite reasonable if you can actually get to talk to them rather than it being a sheet of paper on a desk.
Keep going Dave. Chip up mate. It will be worth it in the end 👍
It’s not the first set back I have had, I can work through it 😀
@@Tornado_Dave it's not often we tackle projects and don't have hiccups! It's how you deal with them makes you better. Everyday is a school day 😄
Mate this is why I'm not showing my face. This is dramas I never want to face in my build best of luck buddy.
Go completely under your house two levels below ground
I’ve just thought of plan F if all else fails, might show it on the next video 😂
next thing you know they'll say your home isn't zoned for oled screens because it's not in keeping with the crts the council still uses for their Amstrads.
Wouldnt your extension come under permitted development laws, it looks like it does!
If it was me, as long as I'm inside those laws id crack on and with the bunker also because there is no real law about digging down.
Most of the time it's easy to seek forgiveness than ask permission especially in today's backward world.
The basement/bunker makes it a little complicated, it would be treated like a two storey extension, which would then restrict the depth possible (a lot). I would never encourage anyone to build it and then ask retrospective permission - in some places you are even less likely to get permission via that route than by askign in advance.
@@Return_oftheMac any mezzanine floor is to be regarded as a storey if its internal floor area is at least half of the internal floor area of the largest storey in the building, which is not below ground level.” So simply, basements and below ground floors can be ignored. This is because the height is considered above the ground, so no it wouldn't be classed as a 2nd storey. But Each to their own on permistions, I've only been building 30 years so don't really know that much, everyday is a school day. :)
I had to fight planning for what I wanted, took months but I got PP in the end. Don’t give up!
Ego is a hard thing to control when given so much power, evil can be very easily mixed with it and they get that good feeling but not from being good..
Yes power does go to peoples head, I’m not the sort of person that would enjoy using power against people but I do keep stumbling across people that do enjoy it
I grew up in construction and especially remodel. Planning is never your friend. It serves a purpose to an end, but for enthusiastic inventors like yourself it will always be 10 steps behind you.
Yes that’s the problem when your creative, I find I have to get on with the project as soon as they are in my head else I can’t sleep at night, no time for planning 😂
Same problem with the council, thats why we need more TBMs it's the only way to dig faster then the council can start nagging around.
Good progress on the Project. btw. Size on TBMs realy matters
It’s just annoying because what ever I do here doesn’t effect anyone at all, we will see what happens next week 😀
An Englishman's home is his castle...until Planning get involved!
I’m confused, have they not seen the tunnel on the plans? One would think they’d be having a hissy fit at the tunnel, not at the extension…if they haven’t seen the tunnel and they’re being so ridiculous over a simple extension, I don’t think this will end well
The tunnel is more a building regulation problem than a planning problem, but it’s actually ducting due to its size for pipe work and cables 😀
I think the council need to take a running jump! Carry on with the dig and worry about it later.
Your mate Mark needs to cheer up and we need more of your mate Ian in the videos. He's way more fun 😁
😂
In my area in Australia, I asked of drawing advice for a deck, slab for a pool and a covered patio for my local council 54m2 in size. Originally I had all sorts of sections, details for spans and the like. For approval, they just needed simple line drawings, like the block of land, where house was and where the work fitted. Simple sections showing the impact to neighbours. Basic perimeter measurements. No technical features at all. They just said include a written statement about using building standards, using quality materials, consideration for noise of the neighbours, keep the street clear stuff like that. It was approved in a few weeks. I was surprised by how little info they wanted. They stated that if you build to code you will pass your inspections. It may be very different on a "historical building"
Mines not really a historic building, it’s just an old ww2 shower block 😂
I'm an architect here in the states. If you want me to work up a design in hopes of salvaging the larger addon I'd be happy to see what I can do to make it "fit" more in line with the existing area. I have a couple of ideas but I'd need to see some photos of the surrounding area.
Thanks for the offer, once we clear up the problem with the conservatory, I will see how it goes and might get back to you, they might be ok after we clear that misunderstanding up 😀
Jose the Land Rover td5 remapping legend
He had fun in the tunnel 😂
Tunnel Dave 2 - Dave tunnels under the local planning offices 😂
Good idea 😂
Not in keeping with the building?! That’s crazy
Hopefully the new plans will go down a bit better 😀
Is there any chance additional screening either via trees/hedging or fencing will help?
It’s completely hidden anyway 😂
Smash the like button if Tunnel Dave should just get on with it.. 😂
That living room extension would have been epic !
Shhh just dont tell coucil.. surely u can blame wars 4 bunker tunnel
Hopefully I can get it all sorted so I can still build as planned 😀
What was their reasoning behind refusing the application? If it’s in keeping with everything else, not obstructing anybody’s view or causing loss of light etc. dig footings ready and appeal it!
And you can build a conservatory without planning as long as it’s not near a boundary. It sounds like your council haven’t got a clue
No permitted development rights here, that’s the problem, I’ve not let the planning get refused, they have just ask me to change my plans, will see what happens in the next couple of weeks 😀
@@Tornado_Dave must be a conservation area? Makes it a little more tricky. I’m no expert but understand the process. We’ve built two extensions on our house. Well good luck to you, love the videos!!
It's always better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission
said by Admiral Grace Hopper ❤
Just thinking out loud how about fitting a French drain the length of the tunnel, fitted underneath it will naturally drain the water. Even though you are part way it could now drain back to a sump pump for the rest you dig out.
It’s a bed of sand at the bottom so now it has both the sumps at the lowest parts it should flow the water into the pumps ok 😀
What I’ve learnt in life is to tell the people in charge f#ck all, act thick as shit if they find out then if they don’t don’t worry about it. The less people know the less hassle you get. Hope you get it sorted fella 👍
Bureaucracy is proving yet again to stop actual productive people from doing something useful.
Best of luck with the bunker and tunnel
Hopefully it will be sorted soon and I can continue
Have they looked at the second lot of plans? the bunker bit looks very close to the surface to me unless, you are stating that it is going to be a patio area or something, that flat roof/patio area will be a problem too for for holding water and the strength unless you are putting some I beams/RSJ's in to support it.
It would have beams and I would lower it down to suit double thickness concrete roof and then slabs on top, I will worry about the fine details if planning is accepted 😀
Did you submit the plans with the bunker under the extension visible?
Yes that was part of the plans
Didn't think you would need planning permission for a conservatory that size, I'd push back and ask for clarity on how it is not in keeping as you're matching everything.
I have no permitted development rights here, that’s the problem
I smell the gold in that riverbedding..
I need to look into that 😂
@@Tornado_Dave You are handy enough to make a small sluice.. A bit of Scotch bright as miners moss.. some riffles in some plates.. the right angle.. and everything you dig out.. get it thru it.
If you know somebody or have a 3D printer.. the files are on thingyverse
IMO its pure abuse of power from council - am going to be a DH about it because I can
It’s revenge for me building the conservatory I feel, as I have no permitted development rights here
Planning are a law unto themselves - they allow something garish then refuse something similar or better next door...must be lots of brown envelopes going around!
Having worked in county planning, back in the day. what you actually need is a briefcase full of money, when you go to your planning meeting. Seemed to work for all those no way in hell are they going to grant planning for that meetings. Some how the money seems to make issues just go away. A fair few staff left due to this kinda behaviour.
I did wonder if this is how it works 😂
where you went wrong is you didn't bung them a back hander! they just love using the power to generate a bit of a holiday fund 😜
Yes looks that way 😂
How deep does the well go dave?? How much more is there below all that water?
I Think he showed on earlier episodes how deep it is, it's not that much deeper. He made the spiral staircase pole rest at the bottom of the well.
It’s 25ft total depth and the stairs case does go all the way down 😀
100% a power trip...great video thank you
It's all about control
I would have put in a plan which had lots more than I wanted when it gets knocked back Your able to remove stuff and then you will end up with what you wanted.
Yes I think you are right, also this extension is completely hidden from view from anyone unless they are flying over or watching the channel 😂
Dave what CAD software do you use?
Solid works, took a few CZcams videos to learn but it’s a great bit of kit 😀
@@Tornado_Dave that's a proper CAD program. Is there anything it doesn't do 🤓
Put the conservatory over the bunker. Then in the future....
Put an application in for a 2 story grey block monstrosity with a 2ud floor loft extension. And change your name to something more exotic and inclusive.
I think I should of done that 😂
just put a wooden Pergola where the rest of the extension was in the same shape as the extension, they can't do anything if it is a "temporary" wooden structure
Yes that’s what I was thinking, still in discussions with them currently about plan A
Cool, 🤞 I'll keep watching.
My dad never got plans for anything. Just.
Because of that reason right there. Always build it first, then ask permission.
Yes I’ve made an error 😂
I just can't understand why they would refuse that plan - its not adversely overlooking neighbours or affecting anyone else really, being in your backyard.
And like you say matches the rest of the house in material and design.
It can’t be seen by anyone 😂
What about permitted development….?
They were taken away when planning was granted for the conversion originally
our main planning at Hertford well known for thier corruption!
Yes I have always wondered how the system works 😂
We need less government at all levels.
we need less police, so we can then have the choice of not paying taxes when they're abusing everyone.
Considering the shit that is allowed to be built on new estates on green field sites I will never understand why small extensions ar3 ever refused
It’s probably like car Mot tests, they have to fail some to keep the numbers looking ok 😂
Check out The Restoration Couple and see how much they paid for planning permission for their barn conversion.. And all the hassle they went through to get it. Shocking.
I will have a look, it’s just one big scam as far as I can see
Use the water 💧
It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission.
Yes this seems to be the case sadly
You don’t need planning on conservatories because of the percentage of glass Dave so that doesn’t count and I don’t know why you have asked for that extension it should come under permitted development. You can go quite large with single storey permitted development so google it Dave. That’s not a conservation area is it.
Because of the original planning here I have no permitted development rights here, that’s the problem 😀
Planning is all about money 💰 the council just knock you back to get more money out of you ... and you are right its better to ask for forgiveness, have you got a planning consultant in ... they seem to have a bit of clout especially if he's a good one ... anyway good luck
Yes it’s all in hand, they are very confused of what’s been said here as well, will see how this week goes and hopefully I will have some more news in the next video 😀
Why do people moan about other people’s buildings, it has nothing to do with them and if it’s in your property line I can’t see the difference anyway, some people just like spoiling others ideas, it’s looking great so far Dave 👍🏻
Thanks, yes it is completely hidden and cannot be seen by anyone, yet there is a problem 😂
Power trip after power trip, you own the home and the land , or am I wrong , I guess in the uk the government own everything you just lease it even if you own and pay tax on it, only thing I can say is take them to court .
u dont need planning permission for a conservatory
I have no permitted development rights here as part of the original planning so apparently I do, but it’s over 10 years old so it’s ok 😂
Any news about how the planning app is going?....
Yes it’s in the video that comes out in 40mins 😀
@@Tornado_Dave How about that for timing, Touch....
Do you not have permitted development rights?
Could just be the case that when you built within permitted development you just discovered a bunker there ready to go...
No apparently I don’t 😀
i think a lot of it comes down to jealousy
Where'd ya go dave...what's the update?
Next video due out this Friday, but still waiting for decisions at the moment, hopefully know more at the end of the week
@Tornado_Dave Damm permits..I worked fr the government here in n.s fr 23 years ..we always said...( it's easier to get forgiveness than it is to get permission )..but more obstacles u encounter harder one works to over come... don't give up..
Join the council and you’ll get all the planning permission you need!
It’s not as if you’re having an impact on anyone in the immediate vicinity.
With my attention span there is no point me being part of a meeting etc, I would end up daydreaming my way through them, I’m wired up a bit different 😂
Yea I couldn’t see you putting up with their bullshit 🤣
Local governments only exist to remind us who really owns the land, We just think we do. Our city government knocked down a 100 year old 10 year vacant house, because hey determined it was a hazard to the kids constantly breaking into and vandalizing it.
Yes that’s why I have to pay so high rates for the rest of my land to use it, it’s almost like I rent it off them 😂
It's the councillors having a power trip mate. Can't see what the problem is people get away with a lot worse. Obviously no back ganders involved. Not as if you have niebours over looking the property. I take it permitted development rules don't apply. There's a bungalow in mickleover been converted to a hmo for mental health issues in the middle of a residential street that got planning wander how much the councillors got paid for that.
Yes I feel it is, hopefully it will be sorted soon 😀
you're not alone with having unreasonable planners. they like to have some "input" into your plans changing them into something you don't want to do. I think it is a power/feel important thing, because there isn't any logical reason for their descisions. We once wanted to develop a ruin, and it needed an access drive. after a year of telling is we couldn't have it in various places, and doing studies etc, they accepted the original location we wanted, but then changed the material requirements of the drive to something that was unsuitable for the incline and would have cost all the money we had for the development. I call them the unplanning department. They over-reach and abuse their power. I don't mind building regs for safety, but in my area the planning dept. should be replaced by a machine that just says yes, go ahead, and it sounds like yours is not much different.
Could you not of just built it with what ever materials you originally wanted and not told them?
@@Tornado_Dave in our case, we could have as we are allowed to build tracks on a farm without "permission", but after applying, the rules change, and they do use sattelite photography, so it's not as if you can hide it. They also wanted an archeologic survey done - for an access track (which doesn't go more than a foot or so in the ground). something else to cost more money, with no definition of what amount of "history in the ground" would effect permission, and no way to appeal.
It's better to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission...
Yes, I have learnt that now 😂
I think plan B looks so odd compared to plan A, especially if you want to keep the style of the original building.
Yes, we are still discussing the matter, hopefully it will be resolved this week 😀
take your own advice and just build it and worry about it afterwards lol
Yes I will do in future 😂
If no planning permit was needed anywhere neighbours could build anything, and how horrible would that be? Personally prefer a neighbour doing tunnels on his/her property than fill it with rusting shipping containers which are an eyesore if anything.
Yes that’s why I put the planning permission in, although no one complained about what I want to build, just the council 😂
Just watch Clarksons Farm to appreciate town planners, bloody joke, unless you are a multi million housing developer building on land that no one wants you too but the cousin say get on with it lad. But for us mere mortals, prepare to battle, yes I agree, if it’s built properly to specification and all the neighbours are happy with it the go for it
The problem of what they have done is to encourage people to do stuff the wrong way and not ask for planning, I’m sure it makes sense in there head 😂
i did it the right way to live on my land and they said no and i no somone who did it the rong way the same time as me and he got a yes that pissed me right off i must say big time
Yes it’s really frustrating
I never asked permission to put a shower room toilet in..... been there 22 years......
ennit fuck the council they will chop down an ancient tree just soo they can nstick a 5g pole or a block of flats there but if soomeone whats to modify their own property abit they start bitchin
Whatever you do, don't show them these videos/this channel or you'll be fooked.
I think as a “ducting” the tunnel would pass possibly 😀
Dave it's Friday mate
Yes after the delay it was 😂
Can't stand planning officers! Definitely a power thing - why else would anyone be attracted to that job?! Your refusal is totally unwarranted, it was perfectly in keeping with the existing structure, and from what I can see has nil impact on anyone else, and based on the size of your plot it certainly isn't over-developed either. I once battled to get planning on a 1/3 acre back garden for a new dwelling, in an existing developed road. Battled it for years, never succeeded. A few weeks after my final appeal was declined, the same authority gave permission for a 150 home estate on green belt land only 500 yards away...
The people who take government jobs do so as they have absolutely no marketable skills of their own. Yet, they believe they are the brightest bulb in the pack. (Hint. They are not.) They become pathetic tin plated dictators who see their job as to say NO to anyone who is superior at practical skills and trade crafts than they are. Or ever hope to be.
In earlier times, these types populated the stocks in the town squares.